Here are some pictures of Stephenie Meyer from last week’s photocalls for The Host in Paris and London … and it’s kind of an amusing story. I kept wondering why the film’s stars — Saoirse Ronan, Diane Kruger, and William Hurt — weren’t in attendance. Then I finally realized that these were (for whatevever reason) simply photocalls for the book version of The Host, which is weird because the book has been out since 2006. I don’t know. But the movie comes out on March 29th in the United States, so I suppose we’ll be hearing about that soon.
In the meantime, Stephenie has given a new interview to the Guardian in which she discusses how much she loves women and considers herself a “by default” feminist. Of course, this is the same woman who writes literature that glorifies a weak, unconfident female who places the entire value of her life within the wants, needs, and desires of a Byronesque, sparkly vampire who controls every move she makes, every breath she breathes, and even the kind of car she drives. But Meyer tries to justify this paradox anyway by explaining that it’s all due to her own self-created vampire lore, and it’s a terribly circular, chicken-and-egg type of logic that she’s using. Basically, it makes no sense at all, but here are some excerpts:
She describes herself as feminist: “I think there are many feminists who would say that I am not a feminist. But, to me … I love women, I have a lot of girlfriends, I admire them, they make so much more sense to me than men, and I feel like the world is a better place when women are in charge. So that kind of by default makes me a feminist. I love working in a female world.” She was thrilled when Catherine Hardwicke’s adaptation of Twilight made her one of the most commercially successful directors in Hollywood, and says of working on Austenland: “It was almost an entirely female production, which is so rare, and to be able to work with female writers and female directors and even our co-producer was a woman — it was a totally different feel than you would have on a more traditional, male-centric set.”
On Bella’s post-coital injuries: “To me, it was this really obvious situation. He is 100 times stronger than her. He’s been telling her, for three books, that this is a bad idea. It would have felt really false to me if: ‘Oh, whoops, there was no problem at all!'”
Bella’s choice to keep Renesmee wasn’t political either: She says the way Bella responded to her pregnancy related to her experience of carrying her first child, Gabe. “I was told that I was having a miscarriage, and that was one of the darkest times of my life. And so, for me, I knew I could relate to her. Bella had been OK with the idea of being childless, but [when the character became pregnant] I was back in that time of my life when someone told me that that was going to be taken away from me … That was something I’d been through that really affected my life, and it was not a commentary on anything political. But I have had friends who have lost children, and I know the hole that creates when you really want that child.”
The Host is really about body image: “As I was writing The Host, one of the things that made it really interesting was the idea of looking at being human from the perspective of someone who hasn’t been human their whole life,” she says, referring to the Wanda character. “You know, you usually wake up in the morning and think: ‘Ugh, I look horrible, I hate myself, I don’t want to walk out the door like this.’ And it’s nice sometimes just to stop and think, I can walk out the door and see everything outside of it, and that’s amazing.”
She dropped out of creative writing at BYU: “When I was growing up, authors were amazing angel people who had gifted me these other worlds I got to live in, and I would never put myself on that level. You know, I was an English student, and there were people there who said they wanted to be writers, and I completely scoffed. Like, first of all, you can’t make a living doing that. Secondly, who are you to presume you can write novels?”
[From Guardian]
Uhhhh, I do not think the world “feminism” means what she thinks it means. But that’s fine, I guess. Meyer seems like a harmless person by herself, but it kind of sucks that her books have inspired a generation of young women (and their mothers) to see something profound and infinitely desirable in the controlling, borderine-abusive relationship of Edward Cullen and Bella Swan. Meyer can paint the situation any way she wants in interviews, but the fact remains that Bella fell in love with her creepy stalker who stood in her bedroom every night and watched her sleep. Then he ordered her to suppress her own physical desires before breaking up with her (and of course she sat in her room and moped for months as a result) only to finally return, marry her, and beat the living sh-t out of her when they finally consummated the relationship. But sure, feminism.
The Guardian journalist also makes mention of Meyer resembling Julianna Marguiles. I didn’t see it before, but I sure do now.
Here’s the latest theatrical trailer for The Host. It does look better than those terrible Twilight movies.
Photos courtesy of WENN
She makes a mockery of feminism.
Sigh. Between her, Taylor Swift and Katy Perry, the next generation of women is screwed.
Still, at least it’s a (small) step up from:
“I’m not a feminist ‘coz I want boys to like me!!! Ooh, sparkly vampires.”
I remember buying The Host ages ago, but I’m ashamed to say I never finished it. However from what I could gather, the new protagonist is much ballsier. Although, still seeking her long, lost love *barfs*
Guys let us not forget the person I currently view as one of the worst offenders, E.L James, the hack that brought the pile of crap that is 50 Shades of Gray.
Yes, but if we’re being entirely honest, I think we can trace the whole “take your man’s abuse and hope he has a personality transplant” fairy tale all the way back to the atrocious Sex and the City finale that undid six years of female strength in one idiotic moment.
T.Fanty, so true! Sex and the city 2 was an awful film. Embarrassing for the series.
Oh come on, we´ve been raised with Disney’s ideas what “love” supposed to look like. And when we turned out fine and perfectly capable of critical thinking, the Twilight generation might as well.
Remember “Beauty and The Beast”? Belle was captured and held imprisoned but yet managed to “fall in love” with the beast. Because love = Stockholm Syndrome of cause. Obviously.
Oh, she also was the one who was held accountable to solve Beast’s anger management issues. Like every woman should. Obviously. And when she dared to stand up for herself, she immediately was punished by “fortune” (a.k.a. an attack by wolves, a.k.a. Disney’s lecture that your men’s temper is not as bad as the terrors of the world outside – so don’t even try to leave an abusive asshole!).
So if we can spot, name and fight harmful BS, the new generation will be able, too. That said, Twilight itself is shitty and misogynist piece of crap!
@ *unf*JJ,
I don’t know. I don’t think it was as prevalent in our generation as it is now. I have two daughters and it is EVERYWHERE. I also think that, as you mention down below, there is a kick-back culture that responds to calls for equality by labeling everyone as extremists – the current method of dealing with women who don’t like the cultural treatment they’re getting is to dismiss them as humourless and extreme. There seems to be something really nasty about the casual misogyny that is being thrown around these days, and this, combined with the overall anti-intellectual push (at least in the US, anyway), is worrying. Or maybe I’m just getting old…
T.Fanty, I agree with you! And it is not only “Twilight” or “Beauty & The Beast”, that shit is epidemic and misogyny is everywhere, absolutely. I was just pointing out that I still have hope for the future generations of women. Even with the anti-intellectual push women are still the ones who are craving education and higher degrees. They might want Sparkle in their teens, but I’m sure they want to do better than Bella when they are getting older.
You know who is a kickass protagonist? Ellen Ripley from Alien series! She puts everyone of these female protagonist to shame!
SM wrote about herself as Bella Swan. Right down to 90% of the physical description. And there is no way that Bella was a feminist. A quick recap:
1. The vampire boyfriend is too perfect, unattainable and quite literally sparkles.
2. Bella doesn’t feel worthy of sparkly vampire because she’s human. You know, alive and breathing.
3. Boyfriend leaves and Bella falls apart only to be built back up by another guy, also supernatural, because she is just an unworthy human.
4. For Bella to have her happily ever after she has to change the fundamental characteristic that separates her from Sparkles. Namely the fact that she breathes. She has to die in order to be worthy.
5. It never occurs to Bella that maybe her relationship is a wee bit less than healthy. Really???
I don’t know what weird things happened to SM to have her write such a character but anyone who would put such a character in a book aimed at a young girls is the antithesis of a feminist.
Don’t forget the contribution to rape culture:
– Wolf guy forces himself on Bella which leads to unconsensual kissing
– Bella tries to fight him off, injures herself because he is so much stronger than her
– He acts like it’s not a biggie because of *omg* *male urges* and *male love* and *male passion
– And he still thinks he is a good guy
– He even make jokes about her “over-reacting”
Because feeling entitled to “love”and “intimacy”, violating someone’s boundaries, doesn’t taking somebody’s “no” for an answer and physically hurt somebody is… totally okay. Not rapey at all. And Bella just over-reacts. Yup.
Agreed. I’m so sick of these women who don’t understand what feminism is (or the different types of feminism) and go around claiming they are or aren’t feminists when they have no idea what they’re talking about. I’m also sick of men who don’t know what feminism is and just love feminist bashing. If you want equality for men and women, you’re a liberal feminist. Remember the Spice Girls’ words to live by: GIRL POWER!
Yeah, I don’t think “liking” women and the other things she mentions equals feminism, either. At the same time, I think it’s un-feminist to tell another woman that she is not a feminist. Ultimately, she is harmless, as you said. And I hope that the young girls who have grown up on the Twilight franchise figure out eventually that they can be strong and independent.
No, it’s not un-feminist to call another woman a non-feminist. There are women who truly do nothing to benefit the cause and Stephanie Meyer is one of them. Anybody who writes a whole book series about a girl who is co-dependent on men and lives her life solely on her boyfriend’s needs and thinks this is an ultimate fantasy is not a feminist.
I’ll probably never understand why people think Bella’s weak and dumb. I loved the books and always read it for what it’s worth: it’s literature, it’s not life. It’s supposed to be about a vampire, not about a real human boyfriend. Ever heard of fantasy?
Weak and Dumb: Bella is totally clumsy, considers herself a weak/fragile human, can’t see Sparkles for the controlling ass that he is because she’s blinded by his vampiric mojo, can’t manage to balance a guy and her friends, would rather stop breathing than face change/life, goes back with the guy that leaves her in a forest, and too many other things to list.
And while the Twilight series is many things, it is most definitely not “literature” in the classic sense.
It’s literature, if you like it or not – and it’s not even light literature. Okay, it might be light literature, I’ll give you that 😉
Seriously, it’s not brilliantly written, but Meyer’s writing style is quite okay in my opinion, you can read her books fluently.
And, you know, everything you said is just related to Edward being a vampire. Besides that Bella is pretty independent and reasonable – she cooks, organizes her father’s house and learns for school. More than my brothers – who are her age -would do right now 😉
Besides, they’ll learn, by experience if nothing else, that if you become a doormat you get stomped on, not worshiped.
Ha. Ha. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha.
then stop writing women to be so weak ya zealot, she makes me want to bang my head on the desk.
don’t you see that the only way for a woman to be worshiped is if she’s weak??? /sarcasm
Unless they have sex. And so long as there is a man to save them. Gotcha, Steph.
I can’t comment on her other books or how she lives her life or whatever, but based on the series that made her famous, the word feminist doesn’t even begin to apply. The entire thing was about a young woman giving up EVERYTHING for a guy, and how we’re all supposed to think it was great. It was not.
Maybe she is a feminist but doesn’t chose to write feminist literature(novels, books whatever)? Are we mad at JK Rowling because she writes about wizards but isn’t a wizard?
I don’t even know where to begin with a comment like this. Is this serious? Is this trolling? WTF?
There is no such thing as oppression against wizards whereas discrimination based on gender (among other factors) happens systematically and on a daily basis.
Why will no one recognize the plight of the wizards?!?! *throws self under invisibility cloak* *sobs*
Chordy, that was absolutely hilarious.
Give Chordy a comment award, a crown and all of the internet already!
Thank you, ladies, and thank you for the whole internet! I will now use my infinite powers to delete Reddit.
she looks like a surprised gecko in the lead pic. Plastic surgery? Meh, who cares…
When has feminism became such an ugly word? There is nothing wrong in being strong, smart, independent, in charge of your own destiny, in charge of your own body. It bothers me that women feel ashamed of feminism. There are countless women who have fought courageously for the future generations of women to have say in their own lives. And to not acknowledge their fight is disrespectful.
Like any group with negative views, it’s from the radicals. There are women who call themselves feminists who actively hate men. They are some of the more outspoken feminists, or were when it started getting such a bad rap.
And then because it has been spread that feminists hate men, whether it was during the women’s rights movements (many men were quite defensive towards this) or through pop culture, or satire.
It can be chalked up to why some people think all Muslims are automatically extremists. It’s ignorance, and the fact that we tend to hear most about the most radical cases because they make a louder impact.
I think you’re right. The loudest more obnoxious, always seem to make the biggest impression. I have a radical thought. You can be pro women, and still love men.
I leave a quote to think about.
Because it’s true.
“Feminists have always been accused of hating men because it is a very effective way of silencing a very threatening movement. In a society where women’s value is based on our ability to please men, and where men hold almost all the cards, the worst possible thing we can do is hate them. So when feminists point out and object to the oppression, abuse and discrimination perpetuated by men against women, this is framed as man hating in an attempt to silence us, in an attempt to ensure that we are vilified and ignored by the rest of society, so that male oppression of women and male privilege can continue unchecked.
No matter how we frame our arguments and no matter what kind of image we seek to project, as long as we highlight, object to and fight misogyny, feminists are going to be called man haters.
So I’m not going to waste my time trying to prove that I’m not.”
I disagree. I believe feminism became a bad word because right wing conservative anti-feminists set out a deliberate campaign to demonize it. Which they were very successful with.
That’s very likely as well, Emma. But you can’t deny the women who practice radical feminism do feminism as a whole no favor by hating on men.
Radfems don’t do anybody a favor by also hating on women of color, trans* women, female sex workers, lesbians and bisexuals. Does that deserve critique? Absolutely! But Emma’s point is still valid because women, radfems or not, are not responsible for their own oppression.
I don’t agree at all that feminism has become viewed negatively, I believe it has always been so since before the modern movement.
It benefits those who are in charge of society (men) for feminism to be viewed this way. Thanks to high publicity over men-hating, bra-burning and general representation as feminists as unattractive, butch, obnoxious women, people tend to forget what feminism is about: not wanting to be held back because you have a vagina between your legs, not a penis. It’s a shame, but I feel like maybe perceptions are changing a bit? I’m 22 and attend an admittedly very liberal university, but most girls I speak to identify as feminists.
I hate to say I read this book when it came out. I had read some Twilight before that and semi-liked them.
I am ashamed to say I loved this book. BUT that was years ago now, I’m pretty sure I was still in my highschool or first year of college stage.
At least this book didn’t devote pages to describing how good looking and sparkly someone was.
Then why did she make the character Bella into such a whiny girl “My life can’t go on without my sparkly vampire by my side”
Because she was writing fiction….plenty of people explore things creatively that they don’t necessarily agree with in real life.
Sorry to break it to you, but she does the same thing with Wanda/Melanie in the host. Their driving force is to find their one true love to rescue them.
This woman thinks women need to be rescued.
Since she doesn’t know what being a feminist means, despite being one, is it any wonder that she writes such terrible female charactors that have to be rescued by the guy?
That said, the host is a better written book than twilight, though it has a creepy almost pedophilic ending.
I do like Diane and Sioarse (sp?)And I like the writer/director andrew nicholl so I’ve been waiting for this film with a smidgen of hope. It’s interesting though that summit didn’t feel confident enough that this film could stand against the TWILIGHT franchise and shelved it for 2yrs so as not to compete. That’s not a very good sign.
Didn’t Twilight also have a creepy almost pedophilic ending as well? With the wolf guy falling in love with the baby?
Yes. No matter how many defenses I hear of that weirdness, the “imprinting” nonsense with WolfKid & the little girl was creepy & ridiculous. Seemed to me it was done so that WolfKid could still kinda sorta end up with Bella too.
Runs with Scissors/EscapedConvent – I had successfully blocked out THAT imprinting thing in TWILIGHT. I remember having loud, angry discussions with all my friends, relatives about it. Pretty much universal revulsion all round.
Now that i think about it, it is pedophilic since they take the body of a late teen to use for Wanda.
I think my revulsion with the TWILIGHT version was so strong that i was relieved that The Host wasn’t on the same level of disturbing, repulsive narrative and writing. And so i gave it a higher mark than it deserved.
It is actually a good book. waaaay better than thr twilight books. I have high hopes for the movie 🙂
To quote Caitlin Moran, if you “a) have a vagina? and b) do youwant to be in charge of it? If you said yes to both then congratulations, you’re a feminist”
I’d much rather have a celebrity who has different ideas about women’s roles than I do call herself a feminist, than someone like Taylor Swift, who enjoys all the advantages brought about by feminism (the vote, education, equal rights, contraception) deny that she is a feminist.
There isn’t one way to be a feminist. and although there’s clearly a feminist critique of the twlight books, I’m glad that Ms Meyer identifies as a feminist, in whatever capacity she chooses to.
I love that quote so much. I really wish someone would put that on a giant billboard.
I like that quote, but it leaves out half the population, unfortunately. I think that if you believe that equal rights and opportunities should be afforded to all sexes and you don’t support discrimination on any level, then you are a feminist.
But yeah, better to at least ally yourself with feminism than NOT to, ffs!
Except that this quote is transmisogynist. Not all women have vaginas.
Add to that the fact that MEN can also be feminists and maybe it’s not such a great quote after all.
DeltaJuliet, I agree.
No it’s not. It’s talking solely about women being feminists. It’s does in no way imply that if you don’t have a vagina you can’t be a feminist.
I agree-telling another woman how to be a feminist is decidedly unfeminist(is that a word?)Not all writers can/want or should be Margaret Atwood. She writes fictional stories about vampires and werewolves, not essays for the New York Times detailing the virtues of women in modern society. She isn’t claiming Bella is a feminist or that she writes feminist literature. And while i will agree saying-I like women so that makes me a feminist is a little naive-I think she is harmless enough.
Dude, someone give her some Betty Friedan, a Gloria Steinem and a history of feminism books. Feminine Mystique changed my life. I don’t know if I can declare myself a true feminist, BUT Twilight Queen here is surely not.
The Feminine Mystique changed all our lives, no matter how old. And Gloria Steinem? You will need to get comfortable if I start singing her praises.
Agree agree agree. Seems to me like women throwing out the word “feminism” these days so often are unaware of what this concept can mean from a revolutionary, historical perspective– so much more than, “I like women!” “Women should be equal!” But it’s hard to talk about waves of feminism without, as others have mentioned, being labeled as “man-hating” or “pretentious.”
This book was so boring. I tossed it aside after the first eleven or so pages. This woman must have made sacrifices to some god to get her tripe published as literature.
This woman is as vapid and weak as her female characters. All you have to do is read Twilight to realize this. She is NOT a feminist. I can’t stand her. I read her books, but I sure as hell didn’t pay for them, and I won’t pay to see her movies either. Enjoy the money and fame while you have it, lady.
I think what feminism boils down to is the belief that women have the right to make choices about how they want to live their lives, and not force your choices onto anybody else. If she believes that all women should devote their life to a man, get married at 18 and carry a dangerous life threatening pregnancy to term – then no, not a feminist. If that just happens to be the book she wrote, but she personally believs that each individual woman has the right to decide for herself what she thinks is best in terms of her career, relationships and family then yes, feminist.
She’s guilty of being a bad writer. Her book read more like a thirteen year old girl’s diary but I just see her as mostly harmless. Seems like there are bigger threats to feminism than some silly book …
I agree completely. As a struggling writer, I’m more offended by the piss-poor quality of her writing than I am her feminist status. IMO, more people are feminists than those who admit it, just by the definition of the term, and she is one by default even if her misogynistic chick lit contradicts that. It’s a win that someone such as herself even admitted to being a feminist. She’s harmless at best. At worst, she’s an assault on modern literature.
Good luck on your writing! I write short stories for myself but would never have the courage to publish. I admire people who do.
I was given her books as a birthday present, read two in a day, and promptly regifted them -lol- I felt bad but they were awful. I just don’t think she’s a threat or all of this is some mastermind to teach women to be subservient to men. She’s jus a terrible writer but her writing happens to be so close to what 14 year girls write/want to read they become popular. Once were concur women being sold into slavery or being paid less we can focus on ending the twilight series which is being forgotten as we speak.
Please lady sit down, STFU, and stop using words you don’t know the meaning of, like feminism
…”I love women, I have a lot of girlfriends, I admire them…”
That makes her a feminist…
I love men, I have several men as friends, I admire them too…
Does that make me a whore?
She looks very different. At first I thought she lost weight, but then I saw the full length pic, and that’s not it. I can’t place it, but something is very different about her face.
ETA- Actually I take it back. She did lose weight. A lot of it. http://www.mtv.com/photos/new-moon-premieres-in-los-angeles/1626396/4405076/photo.jhtml#4405076
Can’t stand Twilight can’t stand this woman! She is nothing but a whiny B! I have a younger sister who bought all that twilight shit and I tried yes I tried to read what the fuss was all about but after about 10 pages I stopped reading it . The book just sucked! She’s a crappy author who got lucky!
I screened “The Host” a few weeks back. And while it was watchable, there were some definite Twilight undertones. This will become a huge new franchise for Stephenie but I wasn’t impressed.
I don’t care if you call yourself a feminist or not,actions speak louder than words.
Amen to you sista. I have been arguing this “it is not healthy for a boy to watch you sleep. He will go to jail” paradigm to my lovely daughters for awhile. I finally saw a female you wrote it somewhere. All of the moms around my area have thought I was crazy. Thank you thank you!! I feel normal today. Hot Damn that is a good feeling
i don’t agree with the beating the shit out of her thing; like he’s a vampire, it’s going to hurt having sex. but bella is the most pathetic anti-feminist character ever. she literally makes every decision based on whichever stalker guy she likes, both of whom frequently forbid her to do shit, and then when they break up she basically becomes catatonic. She lives her entire life and after-life for her boyfriend.
I think the girls who love Bella and Edward are the same one who love Kate Middleton. I see no difference between these two women, character. Meyer must be Kate’s biggest fan and no wonder William also loves twilight.
She comes across as not a bright person.
Why are people arguing over whether she’s a feminist or not? Do we do this with every fiction writer? There are a lot of romance novels out there that are all about this “all consuming love” idea. Hers are not the worst, tbh – I’ve seen some (especially “period pieces”) where the woman falls in love with her rapist, or the man that owns her, etc. Where is the outrage against those authors?
At the end of the day, Twilight was a romance novel about a high school girl falling in love for the first time. Why do people expect it to be a feminist manifesto?
LOL I was writing something similar at the same time!! I remember Rosemary Rogers romance novels and how brutal the relationships between her characters were. They were incredibly popular when they came out. Not my cup of tea but many women bought them.
We are arguing because fiction is part of popular media and as such (a.) reflects structures of reality and (b.) has an impact on peoples values/believes/opinions.
@Another Ann:
RIGHT?! it’s a freaking romance novel, of course everything will revolve around the center couple and how they can’t live if they’re not around each other! For those who said Bella was not a feminist just because she was in love and chose to fight for her feelings, they clearly speak from what they have read from other sources and not the books themselves. Bella CHOSE everything she did in the books, she fell in love and out of the two, she was the stronger one. She stood up to Edward many times and fought for her decisions. She became a vampire, not because she needed to become someone else in order to be loved but because of the supernatural element of the story, if she wanted eternity with the one she loved, she had to change. just because you personally don’t agree with someone’s decision, that doesn’t make that decision intrisically wrong. Isn’t feminism suppose to be about women taking control of the paths their lives take? Let’s not radicalize fiction -and fluff fiction at that- just because we don’t like a book. it was a piece about romace and as Another Ann remarked, others have been way more atrocious. Were the novels bad written? absolutely; are we suposse to take a fluff piece of literature as a ruler of life? absolutely not.
Has no one here ever read a romance novel? They’re not intended to be a feminist manifesto. I can’t think of one that I ever read that had a female character who didn’t need help at some point. God I must be the only one here old enough to remember the Luke and Laura saga on General Hospital. Some women, even ones who consider themselves feminists, fantasize about the idea of having someone else in control. It doesn’t mean they want to make it a lifestyle choice, but for a book to read on the beach, it can make for an entertaining escape. I really don’t understand all the bashing of her but everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. Her books aren’t great literature by any stretch of the imagination but, I found them entertaining enough. If I want great literature I’ll go for Jane Eyre or Vonnegut.
Now, to her point that she is feminist by default, I cannot really say. I don’t really care whether she’s a feminist or not. It’s totally unimportant to me.
You summed it up perfectly! I have never understood the vitriol directed at these books- no, they aren’t great literature, but not everything you read has to be.
I tend to agree. I’m in my 30’s, a female and a very proud feminist. I also read these books when they first came out and loved them. The simple point is that, yes, it’s a romance novel. Maybe because it’s aimed at teens that people don’t like it; then maybe the readers feel “above” it and shouldn’t be reading it in the first place. I read it because it was an easy read, and honestly, it kept me intrigued. Also, everyone always brings up how Bella is being abused by Edward. How come nobody ever brings up the fact that Alice, a vampire, saves her boyfriend, Jasper, another vampire, from a terrible life . Or Rosalie, who after she is raped, decides to get revenge and kill (tearing apart) all her rapists. Would a pushover non-feminist do that? The difference between Bella and all these other characters is that she is a human. Therefore, not very strong to begin with physically or mentally. The hate for this book by some people astounds me.
THIS!!!
I just lol that Twilight is taken so seriously. It’s just bubblegun literature, and I seriously doubt it’s more damaging than anything else teens are exposed to today: internet porn, Rihanna’s relationship with Chris Brown, 90% of music that is all about sex, violence, drugs and money, proana sites, self-harm sites, the teen celebrities that are out of control and behave like no one did in the 90’s, the dramas directed at teens that glamourize drug use and promiscuity like Skins…
And let’s not pretend that time we fell in love for real and we thought that man was the best thing ever since sliced bread and we thought it was intoxicating and magic and nothing was more important than him never happened. We were all Bella Swaning for some dude at one point in our lives!! If you didn’t, you haven’t lived! It’s life.
She wrote a book while being a stay at home mom because she was bored, she got her money, she knows she’s not a good writer so now she’s producing movies. All while raising a family. If that’s not feminist I don’t know what it is. Many women give up their dreams and careers to raise a family. She decided she wanted to do more with her life and went for it. Are you really going to say she’s a bad role model for women? In today’s world of fame hungry skanks and girls willing to sell sex tapes to be famous or rich housewives embarrassing themselves on tv? Come on. Don’t let your Twilight hate blind you. All books and movies and TV shows have problematic messages anyway. Tell me one who doesn’t. And don’t say Harry Potter, because all the men got to have important roles above the women and Hermione never got the credit she deserved. The books are still called Harry Potter and… Eventhough she saved his ass, and she’s still painted like a neurotic controlling freak shrew.
Yes! I enjoyed reading Twilight on a train trip, enjoyed, don’t hate author for wasted time (looking at you Dan Brown), and appreciate Meyer as someone who managed to do what she liked and be successful in it.
How much do I love this site! Pictures of Cumby and a discussion about feminism in the one place.
Even devout feminists have a little bit of “I’d like to meet a knight in shining armor on a white horse” in them, and there’s nothing wrong with that. That’s all these books are; a little romantic fantasy that appeals to something deep down in most people.
You don’t have to be all one thing or another. The whole point of feminism was to have the right to choose and control your own life. The fact that I enjoy getting up a little early and making my husband breakfast doesn’t mean that I can’t go to work, make equal pay and kick your ass in the boardroom. You don’t have to pick one over the other to be a feminist.
Preach!!!
So true…
I love it when someone thinks that they can claim feminism by tacking “I love women” on the end.
Women are loved by lots of people until they have to pay them for equal work, take orders from them, have to fight side by side them in combat etc etc…
Seeing how women are treated all over the world you can safely say that many people hate women. Gang rapes, brutalization, sexual assaults, victim blaming, slut shaming, murder, domestic violence, sex trade.
Loving women makes a huge difference and it means something. Writing romance novels is not misogynist. Anyone woman who says she hasn’t dreamed with love and romance is LYING.
I think the ones who rape and brutalize women speak for themselves in terms of hating women. I was referring more to the sheep in wolves clothing…. The less obvious ones who say I love Women but reject their causes and question their validity by their actions behind doors.
No, writing romance novels is not misogynist. Portraying an abusive relationship as “love” on the other hand is. And so is creating a one dimensional, harmfully stereotypical female character who’s only values lie in her virginity and her ability to sacrifice herself for “love”.
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Christ. Next E L James will be proclaiming herself a feminist (let’s not forget 50 shades began as a Twilight fanfic!). I’m 21 and the amount of girls I know who want an ‘Edward Cullen’ or ‘Christian Grey’ makes me feel sorry for my generation.
Stephanie Meyer is an idiot
Webster’s dictionary meaning of feminism;
1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2: organized activity on behalf of women’s rights and interests
It’s that simple.
I’m a strong woman who has supported myself and been single most of my life, never relied on men, and I don’t think of myself as a feminist anymore. I’m more of a humanist, and I see how men are discriminated against and suffer as well as women. That should make a lot roll their eyes, but it should also tell you how closed and callous many women have become in regards to men.
I think feminism should be used as a safe haven to heal, then you should leave the nest and move upwards. It also programs women with a victim mentality, that seems to be hard for most to step out of.
For me to succeed in my own life, I had to step out of all of that. I have no interest in an ideology that paints women as saints while not dealing with the predatory side. None of us are saints, men or women.
I’ve also seen TONS of women take advantage of the advantages that feminism has provided them and use men and bash them with it.. Women who weren’t even abused at all pull the feminism card all the time to take their anger out on men, its mainstream.
so until feminism takes accountability in general for it’s dark side and not just saying its the radical people only who give it a bad name, I’m not interested.
You don’t seem to actually know what feminism is.
Which is so reflected in your writing. Twit.
This post is spot on. I have nothing to add.
Yeah, Meyer is a “feminist,” if by feminist she means wanting all women to submit to and be controlled by men.
I wonder how much of her considerable fortune goes to anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-gay causes? A good chunk, I’ll bet.
I’ve read numerous articles about this, and while no one has established that she directly gives money to anti-woman & anti-gay groups, she does admit to giving money to her church, which actively supports those groups. I don’t want to hate on someone for giving money to their church, but this case I do think her religious leanings influence her world view, which influence her writing, which for some reason appeals to young women, and thus, I don’t have reason to believe that she’s working to affect change that would impact how her religious donations are spent – which boils down to silence=consent. Whew. How’s that logic?
She’s full of it. The one thing that really stands out in my mind about that awful series (yes, I read it – but in my defence, I was on bed-rest) is this (roughly generalised) quote from Bella’s mother, when they went to FL (I think?):
“When he moves, you re-position yourself around him [Edward] like he’s the sun and you revolve around him.”
Feminist, my ass!
I’m sorry but everyone’s having a go at her because of her books that portray a ‘controlling borderline abusive relationship.’ Has no one her heard of Pride and Prejudice/ Sense and Sensibility/ The Awakening??? All of which contain controlling men in relationships???? These books have lived in the hearts of many generations of women (and men) and I don’t see any harm done. And I think its so ironic that her view of feminism is not seen to be ‘correct’ what the hell is wrong with the world, why do we all have to conform to one prescribed, textbook definition? It completely defeats the purpose of feminism if a womans personal view of feminism is admonished. Ridiculous.
Haahahaahhahaaaaa!! You’re comparing novels of the late 18th/early 19th century that used a subtle irony of young, intelligent women being basically whored out into loveless marriages by family or life circumstances (written by an unmarried woman who sacrificed the financial security of marriage for the freedom to pursue her life choices) to the twilight books? You haven’t actually read Austen (or Chopin), have you? You’ve just seen the mainstream film adaptations that don’t accurately convey the power of these novels.
I was about to say the same thing. If you don’t want to read the book watch the BBC version of Pride and Prejudice. It shows a very strong willed protagonist who turns down marriage for money, waiting instead for love. She speaks her mind and shows alot of qualities that were actually revolutionary in that time.
I hate Twilight, never watched a whole film or read the books, but I know the themes and they seem to speak more of teen puppy love turned immortal than of anything misogynistic.
I remember a time when I felt like if the man I loved didn’t love me back, how could I go on? It wasn’t about my gender, it was about the human condition. If I were a male in love with a female I would have felt the same way.
I do think it’s troubling that SM seems so obsessed with the idea of undying, borderline-personality disorder type love [all or nothing, abandonment=death, if you don’t love me I’m worthless] but that is how so many people, not just women, feel when they are in love. It just so happens that teen girls were her target audience as teen boys tend not to read romance novels.
Buffy The Vampire Slayer was a way better example of vampire fiction featuring romance that had a more positive message to young girls behind it. I think SM is guilty of not being mindful enough of how this kind of literature perpetuates the tendency for teen girls to gauge all of their own value in relation to how much a man values them, but I also see this mentality in so many males, young and older alike.
So confused, I thought Jessica alba was in this movie? Am I missing something?
I am so grateful to my mother for not raising me to believe that women should live in servitude to men or that they were better than men. She raised me to believe that men and women were equal.
Heck when I was 8 she let me watch Terminator 2 and the Aliens series. Ellen Ripley is a prime example of a kick ar$e female. Spoiler Alert but if you haven’t seen the films what is wrong with you! She is the last survivor of the Nostromo, held her own against a bunch of super tough marines and had a group of hardened criminals looking to her for leadership.
Plus I watched Buffy (which started airing when I was 12)- she kicked ar$e every week saving the world and even died twice doing it
Even Clueless could even be viewed as good for girls. Sure Cher was a superficial ditz (although I think she was smarter then she let on) but she got sh!t done without relying on other people to help her and she didn’t settle for the first idiot who showed interest in her. She waited for the guy she wanted instead of settling for second best
A stay at home spouse/wife can be a feminist as a career building CEO. However, if she intended to represent ‘feminism’ through Bella she failed. Why did she turn her into a sniveling, needy, angst ridden girl that didn’t contribute anything but her vapid, indecisive, slack-mouthed, what Edwards always wants, needy woman with a dingle-berry obsessed brain. Come on if you intended to empower the stay at home figure, you can still make her strong without turning her into a ‘Bella.’
Gad, I’m so depressed reading this.
No, Meyer, you cannot claim to be a feminist after writing a book series that tells young girls that abusive relationships are the epitome of true love and romance.