I actually squealed when I heard this news because giggling at Vladimir Putin photos is a guilty pleasure of mine. Mister President of Russia is also quite the sex symbol in his country where he has been “hailed as a virile vampire,” and he’s been known to regularly go hunting while shirtless to show off his moobs, and there exists a whole host of photos of Putin doing manly things like riding motorcycles and canoodling with dolphins. Putin also has led a pretty interesting personal life as well. For the past thirty years, he’s been married to Lyudmila Putin, but they have been seldom photographed together in the past decade or so.
Now Vlad the Bad and Lyudmila have announced their separation and impending divorce, and one has to wonder exactly what would prompt a sitting president to end his marriage of three decades. The answer just might lie within the legs of a super-bendy, former rhythmic gymnast Alina Kabaeva — who was an incredibly flexible and worthy Olympian competitor (here’s a video of her performing in Athens). Alina is said to be the mother of a 3-year-old girl believed to have been fathered by Putin, it’s been widely speculated since 2008 that Putin wanted to leave Lyudmila to be with Alina. I’ll talk more about Alina and Pooty in a moment, but first, here’s the story about Putin’s impending divorce:
Vladimir Putin and his wife, Lyudmila, have announced their separation after 30 years of marriage, ending years of speculation about their relationship. She had rarely been seen in public in recent months, prompting media speculation about the president’s marriage.
Confirmation came on Thursday evening when the Putins gave an interview to the state-run TV channel Russia 24 after attending a ballet at the State Kremlin Palace. Asked about a rumour that they no longer lived together, Putin, 60, said: “That is true.” Mrs Putin, 55, said it had been “our common decision. And our marriage is over due to the fact that we barely see each other”.
Asked if they had divorced, she said it was a “civilised divorce”. But Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, later clarified that the Putins aren’t yet legally divorced and that he didn’t know when the divorce proceedings would be finalized. The couple, who have two daughters in their 20s, had last been seen in public together at Putin’s inauguration to his third presidential term in May 2012.
“We really love our children, are very proud of them and see them regularly,” Putin said. Rumours that he and his wife had separated have circulated for years, and amount to Moscow’s worst kept secret. During one of their rare public appearances together back in 2010, they sat awkwardly on a sofa as a census-taker asked them questions.
Mrs Putin — or Mrs Putina in Russian — seemed dazed, and uncertain how to react in the presence of her husband. Her demeanour fuelled allegations that she had retired to an Orthodox convent or was leading a life separate from her husband.
During Putin’s first presidential stint between 2000 and 2004, he took his wife on several foreign trips. But by his second term he was travelling solo. Meanwhile there was speculation that Putin had embarked on a series of dalliances with other, much younger women. In 2008 he publicly denied claims that he was about to divorce his wife and marry Alina Kabaeva, a 27-year-old rhythmical gymnast with “incredible flexibility.” Evening Standard owner Alexander Lebedev shut down his tabloid Moscow newspaper after it broke the story.
Speculation about Putin’s love life is paradoxically a product of the Kremlin’s own ultra-secretive habits. Since becoming president in 2000, Putin has starred in a non-stop action-man drama — skiing down volcanoes, stunning tigers and polar bears, and even flying with cranes, his exploits covered nightly by state-controlled TV. But despite this exhaustive image management, Kremlin aides have said nothing about Putin’s personal life. There are practically no photos of the Putins’ two grown-up daughters.
For months at a time, Mrs Putin would vanish, as if kidnapped by aliens. Given this news blackout it was inevitable that half-truths, educated speculation and lurid nonsense would fill the vacuum. Lyudmila’s confirmation that she and her husband have split is the rarest thing in Moscow’s twilight informational world: a genuine fact.
[From Guardian]
Interesting news, isn’t it? In 2008, it was reported that Putin took a special interest in Alina, a then 24-year-old gymnast who competed at an Olympic level. After Vladimir and Alina were spotted kissing in a public restaurant, she was inexplicably “promoted to deputy head of the Duma’s committee on youth affairs” even though she had little to no experience in government. Interesting, right? Now the side piece might finally become the main piece. How classy.
Photos courtesy of WENN
I know it’s a gossip site, but you still should check your facts before you post. Putin has been married to LUDMILA PUTINA, not Svetlana Medvedeva, who is the wife of the current Russian prime minister Dmitri Medvedev.
This is hilarious. But then again, he and Medved are close, so who knows 🙂
yeah, and alina’s 3-year-old is a boy, while she also has an 8-or-so-month-old girl, also allegedly with putin. it says so in the ny post article link.
Enough of this behaviour!!!! Having kids outside your marriage after thirty years?!!!! C’mon keep it zipped up or leave beforehand. Poor wife. So shady. UGH.
lol..agreed. The news had a little piece about this last night and said something close to “filed for divorce, which comes a shock because Putin is known for his strict views of marriage and strong morals”. I cried I laughed so hard…
girl, check wikipedia before u write…SVetlana Medvedeva is a wife of Dmitrij Medvedev, former russian president (as it is kinda obvious from her surname).She is on these photos with her hb. Putins wife name is Ludmila
So is the blonde lady in the photos Medvedev’s wife, not Putin’s? She is very classically pretty.
And I guess if so, the little psychoanalysis of “awkwardness” in the photo is shot out of the water…well of course Putin won’t look too husband-y with another man’s wife lol
Yes, it’s Medvedev’s wife in the picture, not Putin’s.
he’s an a-shole(and that’s being nice), I can’t believe ANYONE would find him attractive, and his wife (soon to be ex) is better off.
You’d be surprised but he’s a big sex-symbol here. My sister had a crush on him for like 5 yrs as a teenager.
really? that shocks the sh-t out of me, everything I’ve read of him makes him disgusting to me but I’m not there so I guess I don’t get the full picture?
Well, after a decade of the feeble drunk that was Yeltsin, VVP became the symbol of virility, including of the country itself. Come on, the dude plays with bears and tigers like they are kittens! 🙂
I’m with you marie. I find him physically repulsive.
I found, and find, him very attractive- for the same reasons that many men who dont necessarily fall into a visually appealing category (at least not a typical one) are attractive: he is INTELLIGENT as all hell. And he knows himself beyond any doubts. THAT is sexy, plus he exudes power– self control, tact, authority. Women melt when they sense this, and dont look at his face anymore. Or, it makes him somehow attractive anyway 😉
I have never been one to find any hollywood men even one degree interesting, though, so I fall outside of the norm when I speak, but I do believe those reasons play a big role (its similar to women liking Marilyn Manson- smart, self aware, exercises his own influence over others)
@teehee – Normally I’d agree with you, but knowing this is a man who oppresses people, rules with an iron fist, imprisons all his enemies with trumped-up charges, squashes protests and is probably responsible (either directly or indirectly) for the murder of his political enemies kinda kills the lady-boner for me. Still, I do agree that intelligence + authoritative manner > looks.
Power can definitely be sexy so I get where you’re coming from. Still, this man scares me and I’m already scared for his soon to be ex wife. If I were in her shoes I’d get myself out of Russia as soon as the divorce was finalized.
@ Faye- actually I see all leaders, at least of his magnitude, the same: they all use corruption and blackmail, jsut some more covert than others. The same bologna happens in the US, and in other countries- its just that some countries can hide their shady business better than others. In that sense, that aspect doesn’t even play a role for me when judging a political figure- its a given, a constant, that gets factored out. So I agree with your points also- its just that I ignore it because he isnt outside of politics, but inside it. :/
@teehee – I may be biased because I work for the federal government, but I can assure you, although politicians are never angels, there is really very little equivalency between a leader like Barack Obama and a leader like Vladimir Putin.
Having a mother who grew up in a Communist country, I might have a different perspective on this. But although it’s become the cool thing to say so, all government powers are not alike.
His appeal comes from his stern look like he doesn’t give a fuck. I remember seeing photos of APEC meeting and all world leaders were required to wear the host country’s national attire like the Mexican poncho and the gown-like one from Vietnam. He’s the only one not looking awkward and uncomfortable. While everyone else were seen giggling, Putin wasn’t giving any fucks.
I’m from a former Yugoslavian country, and a lot of people think they lived better in communism. My grandparents were working class with no political aspirations and they think things were much better then.
But then again, Yugoslavian communism was far from Russian communism.
Teehee, I understand your lust angle, I really do, but there’s a difference between your regular corrupt politician and one who has disagreeing journalists executed.
Of course I speak for myself, and so do each of you- but I still view each politician the same. They are all a part of the power machine and while some don’t believe Obama has anyone nixed, but he will sign the Monstanto Protection Act or whatever, and that is equal evil to me; that is demonic to me just as poisoning someone with pollonium. So yall may not see him for as a dictator and think hes fair game, but I certainly dont think so (and monsanto/obama is just one example).
Add: maybe that clarifies why I lump it together: its the same because its doing what ever it takes to keep the person in power or the system running- whether you target a single person who is an opponent, or support an obviously greedy company just because they offer your government financial and commercial support — its the same thread to me.
He is a dictator intent on bringing back the old Soviet style government. There are many people in jails in Russia for simply speaking out against this “intellectual” and “virile” and entertaining man.
@Me 3
OK, lets ease up on the hyperbole a bit. Saying that ppl in Russia are in jail for simply speaking out against Putin is like saying Bradley Manning is in jail for speaking out against Obama. Serious foreign policy debates suffer no reductionism.
Me Three – the old Soviet style is actually the old Russian style. If you ask a typical American what they don’t like about Soviet communism, they are likely to rattle off a list of things that were actually holdovers from czarist times. The czars were always jailing and killing critics also. They invented sending people off to Siberia to get rid of them and to help settle a difficult territory at the same time (a twofer). It’s just like here, we minimize the bad things our Presidents do because we think more in terms of things that seem helpful to our particular group. We make excuses for genocidal actions (such as against Native Americans at various points in our history really aimed at wiping them out) and mass murder (engaged in on a grand scale in all modern wars- our government killed more civilians in Afghanistan within the first two months after 9/11 than all the Saudi hijackers combined) by our leaders but not for others. It’s a rather common human attitude. So it’s not surprising that during economically difficult times, Russians likewise gloss over the bad and only seem beneficial aspects of their leaders’ actions and long for days of “tough leadership” such as even Stalin (who did successfully drag Russia into the 20th Century as far as industry and technology and education were concerned).
jwoolfman: Great and insightful, a bigger perspective than I had. Thanks 😉
And as a side note, news of the NSA spying just came out– which just enforces my opinion, that “evil” is not contained in any one type of government or another.
To all who chastised me for suggesting that Putin was a dictator. I was responding to the general “he’s such an entertaining and fun guy” tone of the article.
I too worry about the direction this country has taken believe me. I wasn’t suggesting that the US was somehow any better and while I enjoyed many of your historical overviews and opinions, it was un-necessary believe me. I marched against the Iraq War and wrote my representatives about the Patriot Act when the Republican administration of George Bush pushed it through the congress and both parties acquiesced. That Patriot Act, which most Americans, and probably some of you, simply decided was acceptable, because after 911, everyone, including the media, went along to get along, is what’s responsible for the phone and internet spying that we’re now reading about.
So thanks for all the arguments to why my suggestion that Putin is a dictator were wrong because this country is doing many of the same things but I have to disagree. He is a dictator and he came of age in the Soviet KGB. Those are facts. Just as this country is going down the wrong road are also facts.
@Me Three, I actually don’t see anything wrong with poking fun at dictators/presidents/leaders, past or present, as long as we recognize that they are responsible and guilty for many other crimes, be it Bush or Putin.
I poked fun at Gaddafi back in the day (he was hilarious), and so did my Libyan friends despite them hating him bitterly. He was funny, entertaining and insane (I mean really how can you not laugh at him making a scrapbook of Condolezza Rice and calling her my African princess?!). Same thing with Putin, he is entertaining, he makes me laugh with his ‘look how manly I am’ propaganda. It IS funny. Doesn’t mean I don’t recognize his authoritarianism though.
I mean you can make the exact argument about Bush though. Yeah sure we all laugh, and say he is pure gold entertainment, but he was also responsible for a lot of civilian deaths , curtailing civil liberties and human rights violations and abuses (Gitmo, Torture, Abu Ghraib, etc, anyone?).
I’m no expert, but based on what my Russian friends tell me, a lot of it is based on media propaganda. They always show him doing these manly activities and poses, and sometimes if enough people say something, you start to believe it. Plus, he is seen as being very tough and critical of other countries (especially America), which earns him points at home for being so “strong” and “standing up for Russia.”
We (Russians) roll our eyes at those photo-ops more than the foreigners do, trust me, but the second point (basically reaffirming national strength) is spot-on.
Is the ice cream cone-eating pic supposed to be “manly”? …cuz I’m not seeing it…
@TheOriginalKitten – LOL, yeah, that one not so much. But there were a bunch of photos published a while ago where he was wrestling a bear (I am not making this up), hunting and shooting naked from the waist up, stuff like that.
He has a Bond look going on. He looks like Daniel Craig and the guy who played Mikael Blomkvist in the original Girl w/Dragon Tattoo.
that is blasphemy and you take it back! ha
I think at one point Craig will be tapped to play VVP in the inevitable biopic.
Come on. This guy wished he looked liked DC.
@TheOriginalKitten – I love Daniel Craig, but the thing I first thought when I saw him is “Man, that guy looks like Putin.” If you see pics of them side by side in certain poses, the resemblance is uncanny. Did you see the beer commercial Craig did to promote the latest Bond movie in the winter? He’s wearing a Cossack-style fur hat and fur-trimmed coat, and I swear he has to be poking fun at the resemblance himself.
@ Faye-I think I need to see him with a wiglet..lol…could be the hair (or lack of) situation that’s throwing me off. Do you have link to vid?
@TheOriginalKitten – Here’s the Heinekin ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXu43h1rOfs. He looks very Putin-esque in some angles to me, especially with the hat.
Here’s a funny Putin vs. Daniel Craig vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lg-tTlrQCo
There were some really great side by side pics; wish I could remember where they were now.
Oh my god….permission to retract my earlier comments about them looking different..lol!
They really do resemble each other…holy cow..haha. Weird…
In Russia he is seen as an alpha-male a bit like an Arnold Schwarzenegger in his day, lots of women love him and lots of women are repulsed by him. Unlimited power is a big turn on to many women. Personally after he put on such a stink about the Harry Potter film people modelling Dobby on him I cant get past Dobby Putin now.
Also, I have so many comments, but I cant post anything till next Wednesday >.<
@Anna – Off the topic, but I just saw your blog and really enjoyed it! You have a great writing style.
OMG Thank you!!! 😀 ***grinning like a total fool***
oooohhhhh I wanna see blog!
Kitten, you can click on my name, but Faye might be over-selling it 🙂
Also, I just notices, in the CB original post, that Kabayeva is noted as someone who ‘competed at Olympics level.’ Well, my national pride could let this go, so here’s a bit from Wiki:
Kabaeva is Russia’s second most successful rhythmic gymnast after Evgenia Kanaeva, and is also one of the most decorated gymnasts in the history of rhythmic gymnastics with two Olympic medals, 14 world championship medals and 25 European championship medals.
explain to me what rhythmic gymnastics is?
btw, I like your blog too. have to wait till later to read more (I’m at work boo!) but funny.
It’s when it’s more of a dance routine to music than stuff on beams/rings/jumpy things etc. (And thank you :)))))
I wonder if one effect of this move will be to make it seem like it’s more “acceptable” (or at least possible?) for other oligarchs (or even possibly their estranged wives) to divorce. What do you think?
In Russia at least that’s never been an issue. It’s fairly easy to divorce someone, and even easier for a man to not support his ex-partner & children even if he’s been a prime bread-winner the entire joint life. As for other national leaders etc, it depends on the country. The French have no problem separating private vs public when appealing to the electorate (see Mitterand, Sarkozy), while in a fairly moralistic US this is the kind of thing that would derail a presidency.
I always found interesting how much a politicians personal life affects the vote in the US. I was talking to a American friend of mine and he said that an atheist could never be elected, which really surprised me. I mean, my country is almost 90 % Catholic, we have a state funded Church, and yet, out president is an agnostic, and our prime minister is an atheist. Their wives are almost never mentioned. No one really cares.
Anna and Spooks (that’s a great band name/movie title, no?!?),
Thanks so much for your input. I totally agree, Spooks, about how crazy conservative (read: hypocritical) US politics can sometimes be on the issues of religion and divorce.
Also, thanks for letting me know about the current perspective on divorce in Russia. I was kind of thinking that the billionaire oligarchs were outside of the norm when it came to the likelihood of divorce, but honestly I know nothing about it. Please excuse my ignorance. It’s really nice having a Russian commenter on posts like this. I love to hear the perspective from someone “on the inside”!!!
PS. Anna & Spooks need to start a band together right away, right???
It’s surprising to hear such things about the US because we tend to get a very sugar coated version of it. The most shocking thing I’ve heard about the right wing was that they wanted to teach creationism in schools instead of evolution.
And, I can neither sing nor play an instrument, but I will gladly lend the name 🙂
I’m totally down for the band, they can auto-tune us later.
Re: divorce in Russia – the rates are actually lower than in the US bc 1-for logistical reasons people just dont bother (there is no rental culture; usually several generations of a family – unless you’re literally a millionaire – live under one roof anyway), 2-it IS looked down upon by a society that’s getting increasingly socially conservative. HOWEVER. From the procedural and legal standpoint it is very, very easy to get divorced, for either party.
Re: personal life & American politics: It’s not just a ‘conservative’ issue. The society is fairly puritanical overall, even if it’s just for appearances sake. In the 2008 primaries (= among ‘liberal’ voters) Hilary got more popular once she teared up and showed her ‘traditional feminine’ side. You know, on the other post here on CB there was a discussion about whether monarchy (as an institution) is useless and ridiculous. Well, in the US, the presidents are expected to maintain some sort of an infallibility of a monarch. Which is ridiculous.
In Russia, we don’t care if the prez has been married and faithful for 50 years, or if he has a harem – as long as he makes the country strong for its people. Leave morality and lifestyle to an individual or his/her priest.
Spooks- your friend is quite right. No open atheist would be elected President in the USA for the foreseeable future. No Jews or Muslims (each about 3% of our population) or Hindus either. Obama, who identifies as some sort of Protestant, has triggered routine hardly veiled death threats on the net since his election not only because of his skin color but also just because his absentee father was Muslim and (gasp!) when living with his mom in Jakarta as a little fellow, he went to a Muslim primary school and equally suspiciously a Roman Catholic primary school. You can’t avoid religion in Indonesia, there are about five religious identification options for registration as is needed to get into a school and other things, including Muslim, Catholic, and Protestant (no option for none of the above). A non-religious (well, really anti-religious …) Dutch colleague living in Indonesia decided to register as Muslim for the fun of it and to aggravate his family back home. But he definitely had to pick something if he wanted to stay there as a permanent resident. So I imagine Obama’s iconoclastic mom, who was with a Muslim Indonesian at the time, might have put him down as Muslim at some point to get into school (and to aggravate her parents most likely). He was back in Hawaii with the grandparents while still a pre-teen, so that was pretty much the end of his time as a nominal non-practicing Muslim. Except for the fundamentalist Protestants convinced he’s a secret Muslim not born in the USA and not eligible to be President.
Anyway, when I was a kid, John F. Kennedy was running for President here and horrors – he was a Roman Catholic. No Catholic had ever been President, even though about one-fourth of the country is Catholic now (don’t know the percentage back then). The Protestant ministers in town were horrified and preached about the dangers of having a Papist in the Presidency. Really. We could read the sermon titles on the announcement boards in front of their churches. Many Protestants were convinced that the Pope was going to be secretly running the country if Kennedy were elected, that he would never make a move without asking the Pope, that if the Pope told him to do something then he would do it, etc. Today it seems to be a non-issue (I don’t remember any viewing with alarm about Obama’s running mate, the current Vice-President, being Catholic), but back in the 1960s it was a big deal.
In any case, I doubt that anybody who was not nominally a Christian of some sort would get elected President now. It’s amazing even that a Mormon (Romney) came close, since there’s a lot of prejudice against them also although they really are Christians. Non-Christians can get elected to other offices, though (there are some in Congress, for example).
@jwoolman
Yeah, I’ve heard of that whole thing with JFK. But that was in the 60s. You would think things would change. Why do yo think they still haven’t?
I’m really surprised at this news. Most of the bigwigs in Russia have mistresses and stay with their wives for pro forma purposes, but rarely is there an actual divorce, at least at that level. He must have really wanted one, because it’s not like she could have gotten it without his consent –certainly not in that country. It’s not like he has to worry about the media or public opinion, since controls all of those things. Wonder if he wants to marry the mistress.
I am surprised and disappointed. I also was surprised though, that they had been together for so long and wondered how they could do it- alot has changed in that span of time for the both of them and even their country. I would be bitterly disappointed though if he had in fact cheated– secretly, that is. If they had long grown apart and both consented to going their own ways while maintaining a legal marriage, that is acceptable. I will jsut lose my respect for Puty though, if he turns out to be any other ‘guy’ who pulls the wool over his loyal womans’ eyes….
Vladimir has always been sexy. Yes he is a dictator of sorts but the guy’s hot. And I’m sorry to say his side piece is ugly. So it really must be love…..not!
I agree. His poor wife is far lovelier, for all the good it does her.
As one person on a site said: the wife just couldn’t compete (anymore) with his mirror,I AGREE!
But check her out on YouTube. She has moves that could put her into a very racy Cirque du Soleil or porn act. She is so bendy & twisty that it looks as if she could do cu*******us on herself.
Putin is only about 5’7” so her athleticism probably works in her behalf.
Per Putin’s biography as recently summarized in Time magazine, all he ever wanted to do even as a child was become a KGB officer. Decades ago, when that was a very-feared power, seems like a strange goal for a kid without some evil leanings.
This is someone who has had people killed because they *annoy* him (like that investigative journalist whose murder is still ‘unsolved’, or that former KGB guy who died of polonium poisoning in London). Not because they were actual threats but because they irritated him.
No, I don’t find him attractive.
We Americans have the wool pooled over our eyes, journalists here to try to report REAL NEWS go missing and die of mysterious circumstances all the time, but you don’t hear about it in our mainstream media of course. I think we have been overly conditioned with Russia to think we are better or more advanced them then, when really they do in public what our government does in private. The difference is that our media likes to report on them, instead of ourselves.
then you’re watching/reading the wrong news.
@Dreamory –
I’m 30 and have lived about an equal amount of time in both countries (US, Russia). While I will be the first to criticize a lot of American policies, esp foreign affairs-oriented ones, an average American enjoys a better quality of life than an average Russian.
Anna – the difference in quality of life has more to do with luck than anything else. Lucky geography (sandwiched between two now friendly countries with oceans on either side), lucky resources, lucky climate, lucky not to have some big country with equivalent resources doing unto us as we have done unto so many so we can continue to use other people’s resources for our own benefit…. We’re losing that edge primarily because we’ve been wasting our resources in many ways, including staying on a war footing since WWII and engaging in the endless military adventures that have doomed many other nations. Our military budget now exceeds the military budget of the entire rest of the world. We are gradually losing our middle class, which has always been a stabilizing influence. We have a greater percentage of our population in prison than in any other country now. (We actually do have political prisoners but just don’t use the category, by the way, and both local and federal government do try to intimidate and neutralize dissidents – but self-censorship is so high in our mainstream media that you need to look for alternatives or experience it yourself as I have in order to realize it.) Also it will be a rough road as more people elsewhere insist on a larger portion of the pie. Currently we use world resources to an extent very disproportionate to our percentage of the world population. Our foreign policy to a large extent has been based on supporting the status quo or supporting coups depending on whatever will keep more of those world resources here rather than there (basically maintaining our haves at the expense of other countries’ have-nots). That can’t continue forever. Both internal and external pressures are increasing and we need to adjust to being just another country, as someone once put it, and learn to share our resources more rationally both inside and outside the USA.
That Russian who died in prison was, I believe, Sergei_Magnitsky and the story of his death is very sad and horrifying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky
THIS is the kind of man that Putin is. Don’t be fooled by his propaganda. Check this out…people complain about America, but Russia is serious business, you have no idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia.
You have no idea. Like someone else said, if you think the US is bad, try living in any number of other countries around the world and see how you like it. People in the US, and Canada, for that matter, still have it pretty good. And that’s not to slam Russia, there are lots of things I like about it and most Russians are awesome people. It’s just that…I don’t know. I always that s*** gets real there, real fast, if you’re not careful.
Sh*t gets real fast here in the USA too. You’re probably comparing with people securely in the middle class in reasonably safe neighborhoods who are untouched by organized crime and don’t do anything to trigger any intimidation by the government as well. I remember reading some interviews with guys standing in line at a military recruiting center many years ago, shortly after a truck bomber in Beirut had killed a large number of sleeping US Marines. They were asked if they were afraid of bring sent to Beirut. They just laughed and said it sounded a lot safer than their neighborhoods. Take a good look at Detroit to see what they meant, as an example. The term “war zone” comes to mind… Poverty in the US is real. Hunger is real. Homelessness is real also. Beggars on the streets are real. Lack of access to basic medical care is real, and the formerly middle class may be pushed into poverty by medical expenses. We just have a different distribution pattern for such problems than in many other places, so it’s easy even for residents to not be very aware as long as it doesn’t affect them directly. It’s a big country with a more spread out population than places like Russia. But an increasing number of people are on the brink.
jwoolman, this reminds me of one of the American hikers who was kidnapped in Iran. Shaun Bauer, he said that American prisons were far worse than the ones in Iran. Makes you wonder.
I’m surprised.
Must admit I don#t remember his wife at all. In fact I don’t rememeber any Russian First Lady apart from Raisa Gorbatchova. She was always there.
Raisa was quite the first lady,I should say the first and only Soviet first lady. She gave the impression of a prickly school teacher sometimes, but she had a lot of poise and presence.
She was actually fairly reviled for donning couture while the country was starving and falling apart. And Gorbie was long ‘rumored’ to have an affair with Mrs Thatcher, though not so much in a romantic/sexual sense as in political. They were jokingly the first couple of the USSR, as both wanted to bring about its end.
Ha, now I remember some some Soviet criticism of the fur-clad Raisa! As for Gorby wanting to end up USSR? Not in my reading. I read him as a devout communist who got a bit intoxicated with some Leninist dream of reform and return to purer roots, yada, yada, along with his own charisma. Don’t think he wanted to bury communism, or the federation, but he was unwantedly their garbage man.
Loong reply. Sorry. I must miss Moscow, a little.
@LadyMTL – She would never have gotten the divorce if Putin didn’t want it, so she probably doesn’t have to worry too much. Plus, getting out of Russia doesn’t always save you — look at Litvinenko.
I read it first as “will he marry his hairpiece?”
Dude is a creeper. I would be scared as shite to have anything to do with him because if you don’t jump when he says to, things could go south very quickly I’m thinking.
Putin’s manly displays make me giggle.
Someone who is such a try hard isn’t necessarily so.
And for commentors saying that wrestling tigers/bears or whatever makes him manly, well, Said Gadaffi and those horrid Saddam boys did the same.
Given the horrendous things he has done, cheating on his wife is the least objectionable thing he could have done.
….Still, the manly displays make me giggle.
I know – I can’t stop laughing at the idea of this man as a sex symbol of any type.
I don’t laugh at his policies though – I find them atrocious.
I’m surprised anyone could find this man attractive, particularly given how evil he is.
He is as evil as our own government, I think we should be the last one to cast stones at him.
Oh, so who in our country has been killed or jailed for disagreeing with Obama? Which peaceful protesters jailed without trial? And the laws against homosexuality he has all the power to repeal? Please. This is an evil man fully against human rights.
Thank You, Nerd Alert.
A prison term for blasphemy?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/opinion/putins-new-fortress-russia.html?_r=0
Sorry, it’s not a secret that Putin was KGB back in the day. That kind of answers the question
I have to disagree with you, Nerd Alert. You need to learn about all the Occupy protesters who’ve been tear-gassed, beaten and jailed for no reason other than exercising their constitutional right to assemble and protest. And the assassination abroad of an American citizen Obama claims was a terrorist? Oh sorry, he was an Arab, so that’s all right then…And perhaps you didn’t notice the news over the last couple of days of the NSA doing massive tracking of ordinary citizens through Gmail, facebook and Verizon phone accounts? And Bradley Manning? The concentration camp at Gitmo?
I am NOT saying Putin is a sweetheart, but we need to look at ourselves here in the US, not just pat ourselves on the back for our (quickly vanishing) civil liberties, which are going to be history shortly. Remember all those “good Germans”…
Well, after all that, I do get a kick out of Celebitchy–gossip leading to political discussions! We need more of it 🙂
While the US has plenty to answer for, Obama and Putin are not equivalent in the bad guy department.
@Binuturong-Oh man..get the extinguisher. Flame war. Just kidding 🙂
I think we can all agree that Obama is far from perfect. Nobody is patting each other on the back but rather commenting on Putin because, well, the post is about him, not Obama.
In regards to our civil liberties being violated–welp, you can thank The Shrub for that. The Patriots Act is the reason why the Obama administration can obtain a secret court order for Verizon phone records. Bush administration also collected the same kind of phone logs and did wire taps WITHOUT a court order (talk about unethical). During that time, the outrage from the general public was mysteriously absent…hmmmmm…extra points to the Republicans for energizing their base when they have to and sweeping the dirt under the rug when need be.
Now, I’m not getting the impression you’re a neocon but I think this info is relevant in light of the discussion.
As far as Occupy Boston goes, I support their general message but I can’t get behind a bunch of kids sh*tting in my parks. If you have a strong political opinion, then go through the proper channels to be effective. Start a petition or a program that can actually affect change. Don’t just sit on a grassy knoll, farting and sweating for months on end.
For some reason I’m having to use the reply button on dreamory’s post, but this is to TOKitten:
You said “As far as Occupy Boston goes, I support their general message but I can’t get behind a bunch of kids sh*tting in my parks. If you have a strong political opinion, then go through the proper channels to be effective. Start a petition or a program that can actually affect change. Don’t just sit on a grassy knoll, farting and sweating for months on end. DO something.”
“Proper channels”? And what are they? Electoral politics? Right, that’s worked well, hasn’t it? You are completely right that the destruction of civil liberties started under Bush (if not before, but his administration was the worst), but Obama has done absolutely nothing to correct that, and has just furthered all those policies, including total protection of the banksters and the financial powers. Not to mention the cowardly drone wars he has ramped up–that’s a war crime. Sheesh, why are we surprised when other countries think America is hypocritical?
And petitions? Really?! Occupy got the “dirty lazy hippy” treatment in the mass media, and you seem to have bought into it. I suggest you go to some alternative news sources, or non-US sources, for a more complete perspective.
And do you know what a neo-con is? If you call everyone who criticizes Obama a neo-con, that’s about 99% of the world 🙂
Oh please. As I said in my comment: proper channels means starting a petition or even starting your own company to promote your cause (as examples).
This: http://www.stayvocal.com/ is one of my close friends who believes VERY passionately about reusing (versus recycling, which uses energy) so you know what he did? He started his own company to print on used materials like old skateboard decks and used t-shirts. He LIVES what he preaches and yes he IS affecting change. He just raised 10K on kickstarter so he can make a documentary about reusing. So please, don’t give me the old cop-out of “it’s hard!”. Of course it is but you have to be motivated, proactive, and resourceful. You don’t get there with a defeatist attitude and you don’t affect change by parking your ass in a city park holding handmade signs.
Respectfully, I ask that you don’t patronize me. I know a LOT about the Occupy movement-I have several friends who took part in it. I never said they were “lazy hippies” (although no doubt some of them are) I just don’t “buy” into the idea that you can make a difference by doing nothing. Again, if you want to change the political system, you need to play their game and work within the political framework and battle WITHIN the system you’re fighting against instead of letting them steamroll you. You have to be savvy, smarter, and more organized than the Occupy Movement was. How does that happen? It starts with an idea that gets drafted as a bill and if the bill passes in both the House and Senate it becomes LAW. It’s how it works and it works a hell of a lot better to change things than sitting in a park all day.
Why does every political discussion devolve into strawmen arguments? I never said the drone strikes were “good stuff” but I also think there are other things to be much much more outraged about.
Regardless, whether you are a neocon (um, yes I know what the term means and it has nothing to do with simply disagreeing with Obama, it’s short for NEOCONSERVATIVE) or a liberal, perpetuating the idea that all Americans are hypocrites isn’t really conducive to a productive political discussion. In fact, comments like that are a distraction and a conservative’s wet dream because while liberals are arguing amongst themselves about stuff like Occupy, they’re legislating what I can do with my womb.
So no, politics are NEVER black and white. Just because I voted for Obama twice doesn’t mean I agree with everything he’s done but the president does NOT PASS LAWS, the Senate and the House does. You can’t blame everything on Obama (as convenient as that is) because the president is not an omnipotent force, working autonomously.
Aww, come on guys. Isn’t this CB, and weren’t we supposed to discuss shag-ablity?
I know right? I guess murder and tyranny really does it for some people.
Is it just me or does this gymnast look like the Fran Stalinofskivitchdavitovichsky character from the movie Dodgeball come to life?
LOL!! This genuinely made me laugh out loud. Best comment ever. And yes, I totally see it!
This man scares the hell out of me.
I admit, I think he is attractive, but from what I am reading up top coupled with his affair, he’s not so attractive..
How tall is he?? just asking, cause if he is short then he is not attractive to me one bit..
5’7″
he’s 5’7″
Oh my goodness I’ve been interested in rythmic gymnastics for years and Alina Kabaeva is one of my all-time favourite gymnasts and I had no clue she was with Putin ! That is so strange and repulsive. I don’t know what to think XD
SEX SYMBOL???
So, how old is she? One statement says she’s 27, but another says she was 24 years old in 2008, making her at least 28.
I attach to the trivial.
I’ve heard about JFK, but you would think things would change. Why do you think they still haven’t?
@jwoolman: Fair enough. It does seem like things are getting worse in the U.S. What I had in mind was that the government in Russia – and authorities like police – seems more malevolent and in-your-face dangerous compared to their American counterparts. I still like to believe there’s still something good about the U.S. govt and authorities. But I don’t live there and so far, I’m living above the poverty line, so what do I know. Besides that it wouldn’t take much for things to go sideways with me ending up on the streets myself. I dunno…I guess you’re right. I can’t read those unemployment stories on Gawker anymore. They’re too horrifying and depressing and scary.
Don’t know much about this guy. He comes across as really controlling and maybe slightly dictatory but he also seems to have an incredible amount of charisma. Probably knows how to charm the pants off women. If he likes to wrestle bears so much, he can go for some hikes in our national parks because we have plenty of them!