Advance details of Octuplet mom Nadya Suleman’s father’s interview with Oprah have come out. Grandfather of 14 Ed Doud repeated his ex-wife’s claim that his daughter is not all there mentally and called it “irresponsible” of her IVF doctor to implant so many embryos at once. Like his daughter, he called the children “given by God” despite the fact that they wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for the unique advantages that science can offer.
The father of the California woman who recently gave birth to octuplets told Oprah Winfrey that he hopes people don’t punish his grandchildren for his daughter’s irresponsible behavior.
Ed Doud said in an interview taped Thursday for “The Oprah Winfrey Show” that the actions of his daughter, Nadya Suleman, and her doctor were “absolutely irresponsible.” But he also issued a plea for the public’s help, according to excerpts of the interview released by Harpo Productions Inc.
“You know what? She needs help. I say to everybody now _ people _ we do need help,” Doud said. “Do not punish my daughter for what she had done and do not punish the babies, because they were given by God.”
A California-based nonprofit called Angels in Waiting has offered Suleman round-the-clock care and a place to stay with her 14 children. It would cost about $135,000 a month to provide the 12 caretakers necessary for the children, money that would have to come from public donations, founder Linda West Conforti said in Los Angeles.
The organization has the trained nursing personnel and experience in caring for very sick children, she said. The group, however, could only provide care for a limited time without the donations, she said…
In response to a question about whether he thinks his daughter is mentally stable, Doud said, “Now I’m no psychiatrist, but I question her mental situation.”
Doud said he hopes Suleman will finish her education and start working so she can help support the family.
[From AP via Huffington Post]
It surprises me that this guy’s name is Ed Doud because I thought his name was Ed Suleman. There are a lot of confusing details in this case that aren’t helped by the fact that Suleman is an accomplished liar. According to The Telegraph, Ed and his ex-wife, Angela, were married in 1974 and divorced in 1999 and “put aside their differences to help their only child raise her burgeoning brood.” Is that called enabling or just being concerned for the safety and well being of your grandchildren? It could be a little of both.
Of course this delusional woman needs help caring for all these children and of course her innocent children shouldn’t suffer at all. Her parents will continue to run themselves ragged trying to make sure her children aren’t wanting. She’s going to get a lot of cash for her outrageous story and she’ll waste a lot of it on her personal appearance and frivolous items, as I railed about earlier today. It’s hard to feel for her at all when she’s had so much work done on her face, is spotted out shopping at MAC and Nordstroms, defaults on her house payments and then goes and buys another, larger home. She also got pregnant again with multiple babies after she declared bankruptcy, and claimed multiple times that she doesn’t take taxpayer money despite the fact that she’s on food stamps and 1/2 of her older children get disability.
What is the solution to this outrageous story? This sociopath has worked the system, and her own family, for years. Now she’s going to milk the media in her manipulative delusional way and get as much money and recognition as she can out of it. Even her own family thinks she’s crazy. They’ll continue watching her poor kids, though, while she continues to claim that she’s such a great mother because she read a few books about it in school.
I would change my name too if I had a psycho-obsessed daughter. The whole family needs counceling.
AGAIN with the “Divinity”
B!#@H please. God had nothing to do with the numerous doctors visits and the pre-made embryos! NOTHING.
They really need to let that s#!t go. Lying is one thing, but bringing God to the table where it doesn’t belong is another.
I don’t see how I should be helping them. She CHOSE to do this over and over and over again. Sorry but there comes a time when your mistakes have to be made right by you. You made this bed, now lay in it and clean it up.
The whole family is looking more pathetic to me than anything else.
Jane God is everywhere and involded in some capacity with everything. Just because you don’t see Him doesn’t mean He doesn’t see you. He did not put them in her, but I believe He had something to do with them implanting.
That being said, I think the babies should be taken from her and put in a godd/many good home(s), so they do not have to suffer having a delusional mother. I feel bad for the other 6 kids she has.
No one has asked you specifically to help Jane, so you don’t have to act that way.
“Crazy” and “god talk” are a time-honored pairing.
At least now she really has something in common with Angelina: the own father declaring on National TV that she got mental issues.
I’ve got to admit, I’m starting to see where her deep issues may come from. Those parents are no prize.
I agree with Jane up there. God has nothing to do with this!
I am so sick of people using God like an excuse to be reckless!
Does anyone else think this family is in total cahoots with one another? I mean, it’s like they’re going at lengths to talk to anyone about their daughter. I wonder if they decided they could make a bad situation better by trashing their daughter so they could make more money together.
If that was my family’s situation, they would be in hiding because they would be so embarressed that anyone recognized them as the parents of their crazy, nutjob daughter!
Why would Oprah have him on as a guest?
I do not care about him. All interviews should be with the Doctor so he can explain why he did such a procedure. Instead of this mom getting welfare the Doctor should have to pay child support.
Well, if Nadya Suleman expects to get a job after she finishes school, she might want to change her major. I don’t who would go to see her as a counselor.
here we go with the god stuff. IVF and implanting embryos is MAN’s idea; god has nothing to do with it. i hope they take all these kids away from this lunatic. 3 of the 6 she already had have disabilities and who knows what problems the octuplets will have. plus she’s going to mooch off the state. the whole thing is DISGUSTING.
I think the doctor who injected her should support her, JMO!!
Didn’t her mum give negative comments and then change her tune after meeting ‘the babies’? Wonder if that’ll happen with dad too.
I think most of the outrage is because she is relying on state support, when California in particular is in the crapper $$ wise.
The God v Man debate will continue to rage when it’s really irrelvant. If you believe in a God, you have to believe that one of God’s gifts to us was a brain and free will. SO I don’t think God really had any say in this woman’s outrageous decision despite her claims.
Jane said it best. God didn’t have anything to do with this. mental illness and medical science own this one.
Solution is easy – take the octuplets away from the crazy and adopt them out. They probably will need to be adopted out separately but to me this is the best solution – the kids will be cared for by normal, loving people and the taxpayers won’t be burdened.
The reason that I like following this story is that it brings forth a lot of questions that I would encourage we all ask ourselves about our own values and we this situation is so angering. Is there any line where we wouldn’t be so angry? Questions like…
Whether God exists or not is not in question here.
But you know, there are have been tons of people who’ve committed certain actions that they attribute to God.
God was NOT at work here, modern science was. And I am sick of ignorant people blaming God for their idiocy.
It’s called FREE WILL. And God has no control over that, morons.
whoops, sorry about hitting the tab button there…questions like…
-is impoverished the problem?
-is partnerless the problem?
-should impoverished people be allowed IVF, or only those with some disposable income
-if your state sponsered medical care for all, would you be upset about these 8 babies
-(if you do believe in God) where does science stop and God take over, and if this is God’s work, are we obligated to help?
-what are we angrier about, her spending money on her appearance, or spending so much time doing PR away from her children
-are we falling into patterns of how we believe mother’s should act?
I don’t have the answers to any of these, but I am angry with this woman, and a lot of it is rooted in my own personal stuff (I have 2 kids that I adore, I would want more, but I just don’t have the resources. If I were more delusional about what I can do, could I have had more???)
But I think the most important questions to ask here are the ones about parenting paired with poverty.
I left it up to God whether or not I’d have a second child. We did try Clomid at first, because I was not ovulating, but then I thought, no. Let’s just really leave this up to God. I stopped the Clomid. Over the next 18 months, I had two ectopic pregnancies and ten miscarriages.
In other words, I got my answer. Loud and clear. Obviously another child was not in the cards for us, and we decided to accept that. We are quite happy today. THAT is leaving it in God’s hands, Mr. Octo-Grandpa and OctoMom.
I hate it when people go to extreme lengths to get just exactly what THEY want, then when they get it, proclaim it was just divine intervention. Oh, whatever. No one’s buying that load of crap.
Here is my answer to those questions:
In some aspects, impoverished is the problem only when it is coupled with the expensive procedure of IVF.
In many “third world” countries, women have a litter of children without anyone batting an eye. And they can hardly feed themselves. That being said, a part of why they have children is their lack of contraception and perhaps even, much information on that issue. That is a result of their poverty. Also, you have more children when you’re in an impoverished country because the likelihood of survival is so low. (Come on, many countries don’t even have potable water!)
I think that if you can barely afford to maybe have a child, how can you afford to raise one? It’s unfair and selfish. I can say right now, knowing that I will be vilified for it, that I truly believe wanting a child of your own is a selfish act because a child should be a child all the world around. That being said, I admit to wanting my own children. And I realize that makes me selfish. Does that make me completely selfish? No. Because the difference here is, I would not put my own desire for progeny ahead of the well being of said progeny.
I want my own little rugrats running around. But I don’t want them until I am ready to take care of them fully and completely without any aid.
Yes. I would still be mad if we had a state-sponsored medical care. Who do you think still pays for that? The money doesn’t come out of the air. And it’s not 8, remember, it’s 14. lol.
Here’s my perception of God, he has plans for us, and if he wanted them to happen naturally, she would’ve just wound up with 8 babies in her after having a drunk romp one night outside a dive bar. When you make the conscious decision to go into a clinic and implant yourself, that’s when science plays the role. God offers free will. And I truly believe he doesn’t control everything. I think that there may be a plan laid out, but like all plans, they can change based on us.
You know, I wouldn’t call it a pattern, but I would say that yes, there are certain ways that all PARENTS should behave. When you are in charge of a life, it is your responsibility to do the right thing. It is your responsibility to set a good example for your children.
And I’m pissed that she’s the biggest opportunistic bitch I’ve ever known of. How dare you use our money to fund her sick delusions and desires for a particular “look”?
You can’t afford to pay your mortgage, but you can afford rhinoplasty? Please.
Just to be clear I was trying to say I believe God had something to do with the actual implanting of the eggs into the uterus, not the implanting by the Dr. The fert doc had nothing to do with whether the babies actually would stay up there or not and grow into actual babies. Also to clarify, I am not defending octomom at all, I do believe she is delusional and selfish and shouldn’t have had the procedure to begin with, but I do believe all of the babies are alive and made it for a reason. A reason that only God knows.
It also becomes sticky trying to figure out what is “natural” and not. Say someone is sick and goes to the hospital to get better, are they doing it the natural way? Is it natural to stay at home and die or is it in God’s plan for you to go to the hospital and use the technology that God helped someone somewhere create? It doesn’t matter at this point the why of the situation, the babies are here and must be cared for.
Both parents state she has, “mental,” problems. It has been suggested she is, “delusional,” “borderline personality,” “Munchausen’s,” and “narcissistic.”
Two complaints have been filed against her with CPS, Gloria Alred and Dr. Carole Lieberman.
I am hoping many continue to be vocal, boycott supporting products and contact social services.
If the babies are first … place them in loving adoptive homes.
I think that this is a sign of the second coming LOL.
I agree with the majority of the posters who are sick and tired of “Gawd” being called on to explain away someone’s delusional, selfish and harmful behaviour. The woman is a whack-job plain and simple.
Do I believe in God? Yes. Do I believe God has a vested interest in everything I do? No. As someone else already mentioned its called freewill. The unfortuante thing is Ms. Suleman got herself into this mess and it is beginning to look like the state and the taxpayer is going to have to get those babies out of what she has created…
I agree drm. I believe in God and I think there are many things he has his hands in. But, I do not believe God has its hands on everyone’s string all the time. But what do I know… I don’t have the Memo of what God is capable of like somepeople might believe they have read.
((“You know what? She needs help. I say to everybody now _ people _ we do need help,” Doud said. “Do not punish my daughter for what she had done and do not punish the babies, because they were given by God.”))
Sorry if I read that wrong Michelle, but talking to the public on a public network show and using the term “Everyone” sounds like he’s asking me and everyone else for help. I was just stating my opinion about how I feel about such a plea to the general public.
I’m on the bandwagon of “this lady needs profesional guidance” and perhaps professional conservatorship. The way she is using her money, possibly state’s money, and her parents money is out of control.
I hope she enjoyed the $15 MAC lip gloss she bought for the Paps the other day and her manicures. I’m sure her babys in NICU enjoy all the things she does to make herself look “high class.”
I apologize if I read what you said wrong Jane. I did not read the whole thing because it disgusts me so I spoke without fully knowing what you were talking about. I hope you all do not think I am like them in that I believe God put them in the situation, all I am saying is that I believe all 8 babies lived because of God. For what reason, I have no idea. I actually do think God has his hand in everything to some capacity, but as you stated Jane I do not have “the memo of what God is capable of” either, I only assumed he is capable of anything. I do not think of God as some master excuse for all things in the universe, but IMO free will is not the be all end all. For instance, I went to take an accounting test last week unprepared. I didn’t do as well as I could have if I had studied better, but there were a few parts where I had no idea what I was doing and I put something down on the paper and got about half credit for those two problems because somehow I guessed very close to what the answer was. You may call it luck or whatever, I call it God. To me He heard me ask for help and gave me some guidance. I do believe he is in everything, even the small stuff. I should have outright failed and I didn’t. Call it what you will but that is the way I look at life. If I had completely failed I would have know it was because of my lack of preparation and I would not have blamed it on Him. The fact that I did better than I should have to me is His Grace. But whatevs I am sure I will be called a freak or something worse so bring it on!!!
Why does it take 12 caregivers to look over the kids?
Holy crap, Annie, you actually have answers to those questions!!!!? You’re a much more decisive person than I am, I guess 🙂
My counter to the argument about the expense of IVF is that if you’re desperate for the experience of a baby, then adoption isn’t always a good option. There aren’t a lot of babies available within North America, and adopting a baby internationally is a VERY expensive process. So, as a society are we saying that “if you’re poor and infertile, you’ll just have to deal with it”? “Go volunteer someplace.”?
It seems here that the bulk of people are upset with the way this woman misuses state supported funds. Is that different from others use of the same funds? My girlfriend got knocked up by a guy she barely knew while on acid at the age of 21. She used our government supported hospitals to have her preemie (I’m Canadian, so this is par for the course here) and used government funds to subsidize her daycare while she and the baby’s dad finished college. (All turned out well, they’ve been married for 18 years and have a successful business and happy family.) But my point is…how is my friend’s bad decision (unprotected sex while high) more acceptable then what this woman did. I know the scenarios are different, but when do we say, “You deserve the support” and “You do not”?
AND yet…this woman still makes me angry. I’m just trying to figure out why.
I am giving away my age but here go’s: my mother would never have allowed it in her house; maybe one, no she was too mean. Good no one blames the parents anymore. So clearly things have changed. My mother feisty octogenarian that she is blames the parents and roll her eyes at me LOL while saying it. I find it amazing that the mother and father just tolerated the daughter having baby after baby while they passively just took on the responsibility Plastic surgery takes time IVF takes time All that said I agree with Kat the whole family is in on the deal and the whole family is a bit crazy (like a fox)
God had no part in this. “Natural” to me means without modern technology; getting stuff from the earth. No artificial means of anything. When you go to the hospital when you are sick, you are putting your health/life in the hands of doctors, not God.
If you stayed at home and waited, then God would have a hand in it, that is, if you believed in God.
This woman is sick. I hope the children get some kind of help but I don’t think there is anything wrong with criticizing this woman.
It’s weird hearing it from her dad that she’s crazy. I bet she’s happy she gets to compare herself to Angelina Jolie in one more way (beside the face and large group of kids).
while i think she is delusional,i don’t think she has munchausen syndrome. that is where the patient deliberately makes him/herself sick (ingesting toxins, etc) in order to receive sympathy & attnetion. munchausen-by-proxy is an extension of that – it’s when a parent deliberately makes his/her child sick in order to get sympathy & attention. i guess only time will tell whether she has that one…i sure hope not.
I think the reason Suleman enrages me is that she is demonstrates such incredible greed. Wanting children is not necessarily greedy, but she is. Wanting top-of-the-line cosmetics while on a fixed income, wanting to improve your appearance with a nip/tuck, wanting financial assistance from your mother, etc. are not necessarily greedy. Unless you go to the extent that Suleman does. Each of us are responsible to set limits–but Suleman forges ahead to satisfy her every greedy whim with no sacrifice on her part. Infuriating!
I’m a bit behind on all of this but where did she get the money to have the IVF procedure, which in my neck of the woods runs around $10,000 a pop? If she is on public aid she must qualify as “indigent”. If she is in fact indigent where did she get the $$ and why isn’t that money considered income when she applies for aid?
CeeJay: Word on the street (ha) is that she used her student loan money and the “income” she was receiving from her disability payments that just stopped.
This makes my head hurt.
The whole crazy family is playing this for all its worth and they will all get rich from it.
Mom and Dad are the worst enablers I have ever seen, and Mom is the clasic martyr.
I thought Dad had gone to Iraq to work, but I guss coming back and going on the Oprah show was more profitable.
I will NEVER watch Oprah and Dr. Phil again, they are being enablers too.
The bleeding heart do-gooders punish the good and reward the A** HOLES.
Why does The Angels In Waiting want to donate $135.000 a month worth of in home baby care when the babies come home? Let Nadya pay for this baby care herself, she is making money all over the place,and has probably made big bucks just from her begging website alone!
i found a site which reported that the carer for her disabled child asked her how she could afford ivf and school. her response was that she got paid for it. “it” was not extrapolated
i wonder if she had a deal with the ivf clinic
was she an egg donor?
are there other kids out there that she is the genetic mother of?
some clinics will waver the ivf treatment if someone donates their eggs to another infertile mother.
the cost to keep frozen embryos in storage is just a couple of hundred dollars a year.
i think that she may have money now since it is a month ago the babies were born. she would have gotten something for her interview. a manicure and a pedicure are no big deal if you have cash and it maybe that she does have some cash now whereas 6 weeks ago she may not have.
i have read that there is film of the birth. today i saw a show about a family that had quads. the whole thing prior to the birth and for 6 months after was filmed. i bet that the news companies knew about this before the birth and she signed deals before. it may have taken the same companies by surpise that there has been such a negative response to this situation.
from what i saw she is not driving a fancy car and neither are the parents. that is not to say that they do not have cash in the pipeline and are coming to the realisation that they have to make the most of this situation. this includes the parents who may not approve but feel they must look after their grandkids, even if that is by saying some harsh things about their daughter.
i think that the parents have to probably go through some grieving process. anger and resolution are two of the steps. prior to the birth they may have experienced denial that it couldn’t possibly have happened again and to such an extent
Did anyone check out Angels in Waiting? This is its mission statement:
Angels In Waiting (AIW) is a nonprofit 501(c) (3) established in 2005 to meet the needs of the most vulnerable population of America’s foster children, the forgotten medically fragile preemies, Infants and children. Our mission is “to move medically fragile foster care infants and young children into private residences under the care of Registered and Licensed Vocational nurses as their foster parents.” AIW helps to save a child and ensure a childhood by ending the child’s time in the Foster Care System, finds permanent homes for them, and paves the way to better lives with continued resources for these vulnerable little ones.
On the front page, right after asking for donations of time or money, the organization says: “Angels in waiting is an organization that is solely dedicated to the task of helping America’s forsaken foster children.”
Personally, I’m picky about the organizations I support and I want to know that my money is going to the organization’s stated purpose. If I were donating money for foster kids, I wouldn’t want that turned around and handed to Nadya Suleman.
Hey, I came from a family of 14. I’m in my 50’s now, but my parents and siblings raised me, not 14 caregivers or any government money. We worked sun up to sun down, which didn’t hurt any of us. Nadya is selfish, but there’s children now. Like it or not I think they should be adopted by parents that have been wanting children to love not fulfill childhood wants. Who is going to hire Nadya and provide insurance for her and her brood? Companies, like it or not, look at their insurance costs and if I was working for a company that would hire her-I’d find another job. Because their insurance is going to sky rocket! The only way she is going to keep these children is by taxpayers and volunteer helpers. And as a taxpayer I’m none to happy about it!
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