Malcolm-Jamal Warner on Cosby: ‘Painful to watch my mentor go through this’

Malcolm-Jamal Warner

Two posts about Malcolm-Jamal Warner in one week? He didn’t even have his own category until Kaiser wrote about how he dumped Regina King on Valentine’s Day 2013. What a dog. I’m going to try and put that story out of my mind to talk about Malcolm’s new interview with Billboard. He’s promoting his Grammy nomination (for best traditional R&B performance). Malcolm’s also working on a third album.

This interview covers a decent amount of ground. I’m including excerpts about Malcolm’s thoughts on the state of hip hop, his American Horror Story gig, and of course, the Bill Cosby situation. You can tell Malcolm respects his former tv father, but he also feels empathy for the victims of Cosby’s alleged crimes. In other words, Malcolm does not stoop to the level of co-star Phylicia Rashad. Let’s do this:

His music & thoughts on hip-hop: “My music doesn’t necessarily fit into one genre, so I need to be at a company that understands that and the vibe and importance of what I’m doing. Though my music audience is cross-generational, like my television audience, my core demographic is people like myself. People who have grown up on hip-hop, but hip-hop doesn’t necessarily speak to us any longer. We’re not the target demographic. We’re not in our twenties anymore. A lot of hip-hop is made by kids and directed to that younger generation. A lot of the content in hip-hop doesn’t speak to those of us who are older, but we still want music we can bob our heads to — music with an edge to it.”

His role on AHS: “I’m playing opposite Angela Bassett, and I’m in the finale. What’s funny is the set is surprisingly lighthearted. Considering what the storylines are and how much darkness is in the show, everyone on the set is so full of life and fun. You’re expecting a somber vibe, but everyone is the exact opposite.”

On Cosby: “He’s one of my mentors, and he’s been very influential and played a big role in my life as a friend and mentor. Just as it’s painful to hear any woman talk about sexual assault, whether true or not, it’s just as painful to watch my friend and mentor go through this. I can’t really speak on any of the allegations because obviously, I was not there. The Bill Cosby I know has been great to me and great for a lot of people. What he’s done for comedy and television has been legendary and history-making. What he’s done for the black community and education has been invaluable. That’s the Bill Cosby I know. I can’t speak on the other stuff.”

[From Billboard]

A lot of hip-hop is made by kids and directed to that younger generation.” He’s talking about Iggy Azalea and Macklemore. I don’t think Malcolm is necessarily throwing shade. He’s stating what he sees as fact and doesn’t sound overly emotional.

Malcolm does sound emotional about Bill Cosby. There’s a great deal of conflict reflected in his words. Malcolm doesn’t want to believe Cosby would do those terrible things, but he’s not calling Cosby the victim like Camille Cosby did. Big difference.

Tons of celebrities continue to weigh in on the Cosby scandal, but Alan Thicke’s statement to Hollywood Reporter sticks out. Thicke (who produced one of Cosby’s 1970s tv shows) said, “I’m sure that Bill must have been a bad boy.” Meanwhile, Cosby received standing ovations in Denver and California last weekend. Gross.

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  1. PunkyMomma says:

    That was a fairly CYA response regarding Cosby. It’s taken some time for him to make a statement, hasn’t it?

    • Nicole says:

      What do you say about a man who has been a surrogate father for more than 10 years that is accused of horrible things (regardless of whether or not its true)? I suspect its really painful for him.

      • Decorative Item says:

        Personally, I would like to hear from Lisa B. There was talk that B.C. hit on her and that’s why she hasn’t been at reunions and why she never comments on Cosby.

  2. Lindy79 says:

    Its an interesting side to see from to be honest, this is someone he essentially grew up with and learning from, almost like a father figure and he’s right, Cosby and The Cosby Show was such a big deal in terms of television, comedy etc. so of course he’s going to be conflicted, doesn’t change the fact of what Cosby is being accused of though. There’s an element of covering himself and not wanting to burn bridges here I think.

    I’m glad he didn’t join the few that have automatically thrown shade at the women, however. I have zero time for those people.

    • Judyk says:

      So agree w/ this comment. And hallelujah for Jay Leno who took a firm stand on this, saying he just didn’t understand why people can’t believe women…and that many women.

      • original kay says:

        Because we believe in the notion of innocent until proven guilty. Don’t be too hasty to give up your fundamental freedoms. You never know when it will be you on the other side.

        It’s horrible that there is a statute of limitations on sexual assault crimes. THAT’S where we need to focus and make a huge change for the better of our society. It’s the only way to protect women.

      • Addison says:

        Jay said that? When, where I want to read it myself. But yes, that many women…

        And I also agree.  There should not be a limitation on these crimes. It’s absolutely disgusting. Because the victim doesn’t just forget after 7 years.

      • Judyk says:

        @ Addison. I saw it on the news yesterday and actually saw him say it. He said it much better than I recounted. I’m sure you can Google it.

        @Lucy2. Thanks for that feedback!

      • Judyk says:

        Addison and Lucy2, the link didn’t copy but you can Google the story below:

        Jay Leno blasts Bill Cosby, backs Larry Wilmore
        New York Daily News‎ – 18 mins ago

        Jay Leno finally spoke out against fellow NBC alum Bill Cosby and the sexual assault …

      • North Star says:

        @orginal kay

        I disagree. If people want to reserve judgement on a possible crime that’s fine but all too often they throw the victim under the bus and use ‘innocent until proven guilty’ as an excuse. Also, false accusations are fairly rare as most studies show it happens in less than 5% of cases. That’s something to consider too.

      • Erinn says:

        Unfortunately, when it’s rape, the victim is the one everyone who puts on trial, and it sucks. There’s innocent until proven guilty, and then there’s victim shaming, and sugar coating.

        The Jian Gomeshi thing was awful for that. I remember everyone on news comment boards slandering these women, calling them every name in the book, threatening to release personal details, etc. It was terrible, and made me so angry. Especially when the women were doing this all anonymously and without asking for money or attention to anything other than the case. So many men and women attacked them – no wonder victims don’t want to come out and make statements.

      • Sea Dragon says:

        @ Original Kay- the presumption of innocence applies to the courtroom, not to public opinion.

        I believe Jay showed great support for all 29 women (29!) who spoke out or filed reports against him years back when no one would touch such an allegation and those who stayed silent until recently.

      • Jay says:

        @Erinn the thing I like to remind people who say “innocent until proven guilty” is that it must apply to the victims too. Until you can prove they’re lying (slandering), you must begin on the presumption they are being truthful.

      • Kori says:

        Yes Jay basically said how many women have to come forward before people start believing? It’s over 2 dozen now. And he said even if you want to say 10% are lying, 90% aren’t. Or even if 90% are, 10% aren’t and that’s STILL multiple women. So the only conclusion is that they’re telling the truth and he’s a rapist.

    • Mrs. Darcy says:

      I call b.s., he’s fence sitting but still singing Cosby’s praises. The legacy b.s. talk is still in there. I always hear mixed things about how much Cosby actually hung with the kids, that they all had to call him “Mr. Cosby”, etc. He probably didn’t have much time for surrogate dad stuff in between plotting drugging and raping the female extras.

    • lucy2 says:

      I think he did the best he possibly could with that statement. He’s coming at it from such a different perspective than any of us, but he still managed to not disrespect the victims. I completely understand what he’s saying, and imagine I would feel much the same myself if this was someone I knew for so long and cared about.

      Judyk, Larry Wilmore said the same thing on his new show, he did a desk piece and then a panel discussion about it, and really questioned why some people don’t believe them. It was really interesting and the panel was great.

  3. AlmondJoy says:

    When he says “Alot of hip hop is made by kids and directed to that younger generation” he could also be talking about Rae Sremmurd, Meek Mill, Dej Loaf and many other young rappers that are very popular today with the younger crowd. If you watch 106 and Park, these are the people featured on the countdown, not Iggy and Macklemore. These two are of a completely different genre. More pop than hip hop.

    About the Cosy situation, I’m sure it’s hard for him to hear such awful things about someone he considered mentor. But I am SO sick of statements where it seems as if people are defending him. I would have rathered they just kept quiet. My heart goes out to those women who had the courage to speak up and tell the truth about this monster.

    • Kiddo says:

      I agree with most of what you said, but I think he’s not necessarily defending Cosby, but putting his personal experience out there and why the accusations are difficult for him to digest.

      • AlmondJoy says:

        Kiddo: You’re probably right. I think I’m just so sensitive about this situation because I hear people defend Cosby and vilify the victims on daily basis. I’m sure this is all hard for Malcolm to accept. He may even know deep down inside that the women are telling the truth, but tries to stay neutral when it comes to public statements.

      • Kitten says:

        Love your new Gravatar, AlmondJoy!

      • AlmondJoy says:

        Thanks so much, Kitten! ❤

    • FingerBinger says:

      It doesn’t sound like he’s defending Cosby. He’s not being dismissive of the women’s accusations like Phylicia Rashad was. He’s just being honest. If someone I’ve known for most of my life was accused of doing horrible things ,I don’t know that I would be so quick to believe the allegations either.

      • Tdub30 says:

        Just what I wanted to say but much more succinctly. Thank you.

      • AlmondJoy says:

        Finger: You make an excellent point. Thanks for your input.

      • MaiGirl says:

        That’s my read as well. I think that especially as a man, he identified with Cosby, who at the time seemed to be a great role model–and very public black male role models are in short supply, because the media prefers to highlight and enhance the perception of violence and malfeasance, so Cosby was a balm, if you will. I always believed the women–there were a lot of rumors floating around before it became really public, and I just have always found fire with that kind of smoke–and it STILL took time for me to resolve my disappointment and sadness that this man wasn’t really Heathcliff Huxtable in real life. Cannot even begin to tell you how important it was to my family to be together for The Cosby Show, and how many good memories of togetherness in my family that the show facilitated. It simply sucks that this influential person who seemed so positive is a serial rapist. It’s hard to deal with, but again, I totally believe the women. When Beverly Johnson came forward totally conscious of how she would be perceived, I felt that that was the final nail in the already-sealed coffin in my mind.

  4. Anna says:

    I’m the opposite of him then since I don’t think hearing about a man being accused of sexual assault is just as hard as hearing from women who have been sexually assaulted.
    I don’t even know you can compare the two. He didn’t outright call Cosby a victim but he pretty much implied it.

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      If this was my father, it would be a nightmare. So yes, I understand what he’s saying even if he could’ve phrased it a bit better, i.e. not compare the two.

      Having said that, we’re really nitpicking here. I think this is the best response he could’ve honestly given. He was not there when Cosby did whatever he did. He really, truly can’t speak to that. And to expect his to be even more neutral is a bit much to ask of someone who, at such a young age, was so close to the man for so long.

      What we really want is one of the Cosby Show people to come forward and scream “He’s always been a monster, you’re all right!” That’s ridiculous.

  5. Joy says:

    I think he covered the Bill thing really as well as he could. He’s not defending him, he’s not victim blaming. He’s saying hey this is a bad thing all around.

  6. littlestar says:

    I read online last night that Jay Leno is flabbergasted that so many people don’t believe the women coming forward. I was impressed, as I generally think Leno is full of himself. I am glad another comedian besides Buress has said something. It seems like many comedians are afraid to say anything against Cosby because they are afraid of breaking some kind of “code”, so they dance around the issue. It sounds like this Warner guy is kind of doing the same thing, as Cosby was his mentor. I can understand that it must be hard to reconcile someone to who you thought they were to who they actually are as a person. But doesn’t he at least want to venture to think that maybe Cosby was playing him too all those years ago, into thinking he was a stand up guy?

    • MaiGirl says:

      Leno has always been creepy and barely-funny a tenth of the time, but he always does surprisingly awesome things like that! Good to hear! I guess stopped clock….accurate twice a day, and all that 🙂

    • Kitten says:

      Wow. Yeah. I hate Leno with a passion but I give him props for not toeing the line on this.

  7. pamspam says:

    The Alan Thicke statement made me want to vomit. “Bad boy?” Gross.

  8. Amy Tennant says:

    It was a good response, and it felt honest.

    My friend and professional mentor was arrested a few years ago for child pornography. They came to work to arrest him, and I was the one he called from jail to try to get messages to his wife, etc. It was an incredibly traumatic and painful experience. I went from being in complete denial and fully believing in his innocence to finally accepting the truth many months later after being interviewed by one of the detectives on the case. I still occasionally have nightmares about the situation, and am shocked at how vividly the experience can come back to me if, for example, I see a police officer in my workplace. It is hard to reconcile the man I knew and respected so much with the man who also committed this unspeakable crime. I would go in a single day from praying for him to wanting him dead and back again. There was an incredible sense of betrayal, and terror and self-hatred at thinking I would have trusted him with my kids (before the situation of course), and feeling like the worst judge of character ever. I couldn’t trust my own instincts anymore, or trust anyone anymore. I felt so much guilt for not seeing it, even though he gave me no indication.

    I can empathize with Malcolm’s position. Even if he completely believes Cosby’s accusers, as I do, he is going to have very complicated emotions and reactions. I don’t blame him for not speaking out before while he dealt with all of this. We all feel betrayed by Cosby, in a way, and we didn’t know him the way Malcolm did.

    • Mikeyangel says:

      I agree with you. I found out a boss I had was a dirtbag and went through many of the same emotions you describe. It wasn’t as bad as your situation, but me questioning myself and my judge of character was the same. I feel like he is being honest here too.

    • M says:

      Amy- hugs to you. What a painful experience. It shows that people are not one sided & can be one way to the public/friends & have a sick part. That’s why people who “knew” Bill should pause (or zip it) before calling these women liars. Your story also show show these crimes have such a ripple effect on so many people. Sorry that the man you thought you knew ended up to be such a sicko & glad you didn’t just keep your head in sand.

      • Amy Tennant says:

        Thanks.

      • Amy Tennant says:

        Obviously the pain Malcolm feels or (ugh) Cosby feels shouldn’t be compared to the suffering of the victims. But I’m sure it is painful to those close to Cosby. I don’t give a fig for Cosby’s suffering, but I empathize with Malcolm.

      • M says:

        Totally! The victims are the most suffering but there are ripples & this sort of crime effects so many. I think it’s important to remember that. These crimes are like a rock thrown in the pond. The first ripple is the worst & has the most impact (the crime) but the ripples keep going & it does impact many lives. You are justified in feeling hurt, betrayed, disgusted & confused. I’ve known perps & they are such two, three or four sided people. Don’t question yourself or feel shame for, at one point, caring about a POS. That’s why we should remember that one shouldn’t come out of the gate throwing punches to defend the dude that lives next door to them or that you worked with saying “He couldn’t have- he’s so nice! That woman is lying!”. You don’t know that side of him (and that’s okay). It sounds like you were (2nd hand) a victim of his crime. Your bosses crimes made you have anxiety, bad dreams & question yourself. That’s why these people are such evil people- they seem so great so that they can carry out & make it easier to cover their crimes. I heard a quote once that a psychopath is like a shiny, painted red apple (evil queen came to my mind)- they will portray themselves as the best of the best. But real apples aren’t perfect- they all have a spot or bruise. Real people have flaws but psychos can & will put on a face/act like they are perfect & infallible. They don’t have real empathy so they are actually really good at the act & sucking people in.

    • Esmom says:

      Amy, I am so sorry for your ordeal. As you said it’s so complicated. And as M said, the ripple effect can be far reaching. I once had a coach when I was a kid and teen whose own (older) kids turned him into authorities for abusing two younger kids he had adopted. (While the wife stood by her husband.)

      It was shocking and horrifying and while I felt so bad for the young victims, it was also so hard to imagine the betrayal and anger and so many other emotions the older kids must have felt and continue to feel decades later.

  9. JessSaysNo says:

    My sympathies to him and dear Lord Cosby..

  10. Pandy says:

    He lost me at the “importance of what I’m doing” part of his interview. Didn’t realize he was curing cancer!

  11. Sea Dragon says:

    “Whether true or not.” I’m disappointed.

    And then: “Just as it’s painful to hear any woman talk about sexual assault…it’s just as painful to watch my friend and mentor go through this.”
    So it’s equally painful to hear that numerous women claim they were ferociously violated and that his mentor now has to deal with the consequences of his “alleged” crimes going public? Sorry but no. Cosby’s isn’t a victim in any way, shape or form. I get that MJW is hurt but I would have had more respect for him if he’d waited to sort our his feelings before making a statement. Chances are, he’d have been more honest with himself and also, with us.

  12. Rapunzel says:

    Long time lurker, first time poster.

    I’m from Turlock, the CA town mentioned in the article, and I have to say, I’m concerned to see my people (so to speak) were giving his recent show a standing O.

    My perspective is people are innocent until proven guilty, but the sheer quantity of these allegations is proof of his guilt. It is now statistically impossible that he’s completely innocent, and I wish people would understand that, even his fellow co-stars.

    Leno is so right (I can’t believe I’m saying that): Why can’t we believe the women?

    • M says:

      Someone wrote a great piece about this (can’t remember who) but it basically said- yes you need reasonable doubt to put someone in prison but to say that if you have all this evidence and not believe personally that they are probably guilty is preposterous. If my neighbor had been accused by 20 kids of molestation I wouldn’t be singing “he was never convicted!!!” & letting my kids go over there. Even the justice system has a different view of needed evidence- beyond reasonable doubt for a criminal conviction & a preponderance of evidence for a civil case. So Cosby wasn’t (and will never be) convicted criminally but for someone to say that means he is innocent until proven guilty- bs.

  13. serena says:

    I’d like to hear about Bill’s television daughters opinion on this matter, did any of them said anything? Anyway I like Malcolm a lot, so happy he’s having some success!

    • Kori says:

      Keshia Knight Pulliam spoke. It sounded a lot like MJW.

    • M says:

      I doubt the actors on the Cosby Show have any info. He seemed to like “disposable” women who were fed to him by modeling agencies- young actresses/models looking for a break that he could throw into a cab or kick out onto the street if they didn’t do what he wanted. A lot of perps look for easy victims & not ones that they have to see at work the next day.

  14. Chrissy says:

    I’m still waiting to hear from Lisa Bonet about this. Her silence is very interesting.