Here are some photos of Johnny Depp in Stockholm on Monday. He’s still touring Europe with his band, the Hollywood Vampires. Do you think Team Depp’s crisis management just operates without him? Or is Depp on those conference calls, suggesting quotes that need to be placed in People Magazine? The only thing I know for sure is that Team Depp was hard at work on Memorial Day. Their current vibe is “let’s throw everything against the wall and see what sticks.” Which is the only explanation for two of the most blatantly pro-Depp pieces thus far, in People Magazine and TMZ. Some highlights:
TMZ’s police sources are chatty. TMZ’s “law enforcement sources” want you to know that Amber Heard did not tell police officers that Johnny Depp had smashed her in the face with an iPhone. TMZ’s sources have already claimed that Amber was sporting no visible injuries and now they’re reiterating that Amber did not tell cops the whole story. TMZ ends their story with this: “We’re told Amber still has not filed a police report. If Johnny’s right and he never touched her … had she filed an official report she could be prosecuted for a felony — filing a phony police report.” Just what every victim of domestic abuse wants to hear, right? If you do come forward and tell (gossipy) police officers about your abuse, you could be prosecuted. Thanks, TMZ! Update: Oh, great, TMZ has another story about how Amber tried to “set up” Johnny by screaming for security when they were 20 feet away from each other.
Amber and Johnny should have never gotten married. And now for the “derp” part of Team Depp’s media strategy, People Magazine has unnamed sources saying the most obvious things. Things like “they are just not good together. They had lots of problems before they got married, and should have never gotten married. Their personalities are just not compatible.” YA THINK? People’s source also says Heard caused a lot of “drama” and that she “exacerbates” his “jealousy issues,” and Depp is “very insecure when it comes to Amber.” I love that she’s getting the blame for “exacerbating” his unhinged jealousy. OH SHE MADE HIM JELLY. Then she totally deserved it, right?
Amber is incredibly upset. E! News has one of the few pieces with quotes from pro-Amber sources. E!’s source says: “This has been incredibly upsetting for Amber but she knows she is doing the right thing. It has been very traumatic for her to finally speak out, but she needs to do what she can to protect herself.” The source also says that Amber “tried to hide what was really happening in the marriage from most of her friends because she wanted to believe that it would get better. That things would change. But ultimately they didn’t and so she had to do what she did to stop it.” I believe that. You know why? Because it happens all the time. The victim believes that things will change for the better. The victim is embarrassed that this is happening. The victim doesn’t think anyone will believe her/him. The victim doesn’t want to tell other people because then it becomes real.
Meanwhile, Amber’s team finally responded to Doug Stanhope’s guest column in The Wrap (you can see our coverage here). Stanhope claimed that Amber was “blackmailing” Depp, and Stanhope based his accusations on stuff that Depp had told him. Amber’s lawyer tells The Wrap that Stanhope’s “allegations against Ms. Heard are absolutely and unequivocally false” and that the guest column “has no basis in reality and is nothing but the typical celebrity muckraking for profit.” Amber’s lawyer demanded that The Wrap take the column down and they’re currently speaking to their lawyers, but Amber’s lawyer told The Wrap: “It is highly offensive and disturbing that you would choose to publish it in the first place.”
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
Wow. How profound. They should have never gotten married??? They should have never gotten together in the first place. A toxic relationship.
Spot on. He did it to teach Ms Paradis a lesson (I can pull a younger, prettier you) and now it’s blown up in his face.
As spotty as my reading about these two has been, I recall this was viewed as a fiasco by most commenters from the time they were rumored to be dating.
I do feel sorry for his kids, who have another round of public turmoil to endure.
I really do feel sorry for them too. How horrible if you hear things about your father like that, true or not.
Yes I agree. Lily Rose is already growing up way too fast. Dating older men and doing lots of modeling. I hope the kids can stay grounded through all of this.
no sh*t they shouldn’t have. But now it’s done, I just hope Amber is getting the support she needs. This guy grosses me out and has for a long time.
Thanks Captain Hindsight.
Right?
–TheRealPinky
hahaha 😀
Ding,Ding,Ding!!!
Sali Hughes has done a great piece on how men and women are treated differently in domestic violence cases. http://bit.ly/280gz1H
Read it. Powerful.
Thanks for sharing. Great, insightful read.
“If only people were as appalled about women being used as punchbags, as they are about the possibility of men being taken for a ride.”
Yes, yes and yes. Thank you for the link.
In a lesser vein it was like when sexual harassment became a topic of discussion and censure in the workplace. People were all, like, whiny — “But his career would be ruined!” How about “he” never harassed “her” in the first place — which invariably hurt her career?
Well, duh.
Fellow Susanne! I still haven’t met anyone in the US who spells her name the same way.
Really? I’m a Suzanne, and everyone is always spelling it with an s instead of a z!
When I was born, back in olden times, Susanne was standard and Suzanne was exotic. Must have changed, because they’re always misspelling my name.
Team Depp is throwing the kitchen sink at her, doing everything they can to make her into Amazing Amy.
right? I really hate when person A does something bad to person B and persons C, D, E, F and G come out to say ‘oh they didn’t do it to me so person B is obviously lying’. We are all different to different people. We are all different in different times of our lives, in different situations, different circumstances even in the same circumstances but with different people. Just because he didn’t hit you doesn’t mean he didn’t hit her. You don’t know if it happened or not, you were not a part of it.
People says she screamed for help when he was 20 feet away and that makes it a setup?
Hmmm, how about 19 feet? 11 feet? 6? When does it stop being a set up?
My kids scream when they see me half a block away and they are in the street on their bikes which, OMG!!!, can they not get it? They KNOW something is about to happen. Which usually means hustling them into their rooms, ranting and loud closing of doors. Followed by my sitting at the kitchen table and having a little cry. They are most precious thing in my world, why can’t I put them in my locked china cabinet and keep them safe?
Wow what an insight.
Thanks for the obvious, People mag.
Yep, I think even Depp and Heard agree that they should never have gotten married! 😉
I’ve always thought of People Mag as pretty neutered, harmless. But now I’m kind of disgusted by them.
Her reluctance to tie the knot spoke volumes back then. Cold feet? Wait until they thaw before taking the plunge, no matter the expense.
–TheRealPinky
I hope she has a lot of support in her corner because I’m afraid this smear campaign of his is working…the majority of the media is pro Depp. He is such a sick piece of sh*t. It pisses me off even more that his “sources” and lawyer are clearly lying since his lawyer originally claimed she came forward with the abuse because of the negative PR she got from divorcing him right after his mom died. Now they are claiming this is some evil master plan….ugh. Amber’s lawyer clearly stated in the court documents that she just wanted to keep this quiet and get it over with before the divorce even became public.
Disney/Bruckheimer/Depp’s team must be cutting a lot of checks right now. The budget for Pirates is supposedly $250 mil plus without advertising.
Yeah, the vast majority of the comments I read on other sites are totally pro-Depp and accusing her of lying, wanting a big payday, etc., especially after those pics of her laughing/smiling after leaving her lawyer’s office this weekend emerged.
It is working. I made the stupid stupid stupid mistake of reading the TMZ comments section and it made me sad and angry. Now all I want to do is to crawl back into bed because people suck.
I just can’t read tmz in general anymore. They are so sexist and shady
I stick to this site to avoid that ew feeling. I get honestly frightened by the crap people think and say- especially here in the US.
The TMZ comment section is the absolute worst. When the whole Rhianna incident happened they were all going on and on about how she was cheating and he caught her and she hit him first and every stupid argument you can possibly imagine. In fact, if you only read that site, you’d think she basically grabbed his fists and hit her own self with them.
That site seems to attract the absolute dredge of society.
Well Team Depp needs to pony up the $$ or whatever to get this off of every website in the universe. Who could possibly think all this is helping anything? The more smear pieces they put out, the more it just reinforces that he is a grade A ass$&@e. I am sure Amber wishes she had never met him, much less married him.
IKR?! I came here to say pretty much the same thing. Whether she’s lying or not makes no difference at this point; he’s just coming off as a major tool in this. If he had any sense, he’d (1) pay up, (2) check into Rehab, and (3) generally go away for awhile, because there is no winning this stupid PR war. He gambled and lost on this girl; chalk it up to a lesson learned and deal with it like a grown ass man. He’s just ridiculous with his midlife crisis rock band and the scarves and now the pathetic accusations he’s publicly tossing at his estranged trophy wife. Make it stop!!
Agree on all points Jenny. He really needs to leash his ego and own up to his mistakes. But since the marriage itself was an ego exercise, that seems unlikely.
I had the same thought about Doug Stanhope’s article. Oh, an abusive guy’s friend thinks the girlfriend accusing him of abuse is lying because he’s such a nice guy. THAT’S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
Yep even if I did believe the his PR (which I don’t ) I’d say he’s only hurting himself by dragging this out. No matter what he says, or any of his friends/exes/family this will follow him (and rightly so) for the rest of his career. Better to change the subject. In fact he could probably have gained more sympathy by entering rehab and claiming to be distraught over his mother’s death and asked for privacy blah blah blah.
What I’m seeing now it not a full denial that he hit her, what I’m reading is some sort of preparation to justify why he did it, how “poor” Johnny was caught up in a dysfunctional marriage and how she is so awful and probably responsible for it.
He’s denied he hit her.
He probably thinks he can control the narrative. Aside from that disaster in Australia with the dogs, when was the last time Johnny Depp heard “no”?
Oh you think people mag. Depp’s team is so obvious it might works now but in long term it will backfire.
So Depp’s team have taken the classic approach of using the fact that Amber didn’t file a police report as proof of Depp’s innocence. But in the next breath they’re admitting that if she had filed a police report an Depp’s team can convince a judge that he never hurt her, that she could then Be brought up on felony charges for filing a phony report? Did I get that right?
So basically there’s no winning in that situation.
Yes there is. Since she has proof and witnesses she needs to file the police report and make it a criminal matter.
She did that. My point was that in and of itself is a risk in that if there’s enough reasonable doubt to convince a judge that she lied, then she risks the possibility of being hit with felony charges. If I’m understanding that correctly, then it makes perfect sense that she would be hesitant to file a police report. If it’s a he said/she said scenario then it could go either way depending on the judge’s assessment.
It is a catch 22 but again if she called the police (but didn’t press charges) she still should have been advised to be truthful with them in case she wanted to press charges later. The cops would have told her the same thing. I remember my friend being in an abusive relationship and she always declined to press charges until one day she had the strength to…but she always gave a full account and took pictures under the advice of several people in our circle. It was to protect her later so there was at least a written document somewhere.
She doesn’t “need” to do anything. She gets to make the decision that is right for her. Look at this insanity going on right now – should Amber choose to file assault charges, it would just amplify the furor. By a lot, and for an extended amount of time. I don’t blame anyone for wanting this to go away without pressing charges, especially since celebrity justice in LA means there’s a high likelihood that nothing would happen to Depp.
I’ve read in local press that the security team
Is ALL Depp. They claim she was the violent
One throughout the marriage and they
Never saw him hit her!
Don’t know what to make of that. Not
Surprising though.
The lies continue to flood the scene!
That’s what I was thinking, Kitten. Also, this Stanhope character is obviously only fuelling the PR fires to denigrate AH and negate her version of events. He says that JD told him most, if not all, of this stuff. Was it he who also claimed that Depp doesn’t hit anyone – that it was “self defence”? That’s almost as good as admitting that he did assault her, yeah?
If he did not ever witness any of the behaviours he claims Depp told him about, then whatever he is spewing is, at this point, only to make as much shite as possible stick to Amber. If this ever gets to a court of law, it’s hearsay, and therefore, inadmissible. That’s the problem with these issues. They mostly occur in private, and there is rarely anyone who can corroborate either party’s version of events, I’m sure there’s also an element of Depp, powerful and rich “star” as he is, wanting revenge for having his behaviour exposed (how dare she!!) because abusers of any kind flourish with silence.
Yes yes exactly. These abusers are very adept at creating and maintaining a code of silence and protection to hide their abusive behavior.
Not blaming her for why she hasn’t pressed charges,, but I just think she should do it. She had enough proof to get the restraining order. And since she has witnesses, it’s not hearsay. Edit: flowerchild just said she made statement to police page six is reporting.
Stanhope is no gem himself. He is well known for exposing himself and behaving in a disgustingly inappropriate manner towards female comics.
Depp’s team should be (and may be) doing everything in their power to keep a report being filed. Because at that time his security team and the police will have to fish or cut bait. (Those poor cops who were probably thrilled having an intimate moment with a movie star and his super hot wife are already screwed.) Making general second hand statements to the media is a world of hurt difference to making sworn statements that you have to again swear to on the witness stand. Real world repercussions.
Being torn apart in a no holds barred deposition is a traumatic experience.
It sounds like Heard’s friend iO has been very forthcoming in making detailed statements and putting her name to them. She has nothing to worry about.
ok this is turning into a circus now, amber needs to release that video she has and make everyone agree.
I think it’s incredibly sad (and maddening) that society demands video evidence of a woman being abused and humiliated for all the world to see to believe her.
this.
This is horrible. They are saying anything and everything they can about this Amber. It’s gross to watch and so demoralizing for victims. Guess what Johhny? I don’t believe you. You bastard. I hope you never star in anything again and rot in the gutter.
Sadly though on most sites Johnny’s PR Team’s smear campaign is working. No wonder Amber’s lawyer asked for spousal support (other than the legal reason), she may never work again in a decent project. I am afraid even with the video most of the male population have already made up their minds, as have his avid fans, and well just about everyone on most sites. Amber is being persecuted and called the most vilest things while they defend JD saying he could never do it or innocent til proven guilty. I’m not so sure a video of Johnny throwing her across the room covered in blood would
make a difference.
I blame Trump for stirring society’s pot so to speak. It’s scary to me because it feels like his tactics are setting society even further behind now for females and victims everywhere. Bullying seems to be okay (when it was just getting to the point that people were defending victims), treating women like objects seems to be ok.. and well even rape is ok -unless in Trump’s crazy world your Bill Clinton. All I can say is it took slit of courage to come forward as she did and I hope she has slot if support to help her get thru this. I wonder how many victims won’t be coming forward if the percentage will be higher now after witnessing what happened to Amber & well the Trump show & how it seems ok to degrade women.
My friend has informed me that she saw an article on fb from a conservative site calling Johnny a pig and an abuser but they only believe it because he is a liberal and made fun of Trump. So there’s that (awful all around, I know).
In answer to your question Kaiser, I believe Johnny is very involved in crafting the PR attack. He feeds them a nugget of truth e.g. She partied with Cara D and his team then figure out how to spin that. They monitor how its received online and if it catches on, they go back to Johnny for more information in that direction. I just refuse to absolve Johnny of the blame for this character assassination when I know he is not only paying Olivia Pope, he is feeding her insider information.
He did the same thing with Vanessa also, when that relationship ended US magazine had endless articles on how awful Vanessa was. Johnny is friends with the owner of that magazine so he is very involved with what is put out there. Every new article from his team makes him seem more unhinged and likely to be a controlling abuser that wants to smear and hurt the women that dare walk (run) away from him.
I’m surprised that people have forgotten what was said about Vanessa when they split.. that she trapped him with children. That he never wanted to marry her. That she was a rebound.. There were so many nasty comments about her. Now the same with Amber.
Really? I didn’t know any of that! But what was the goal? You don’t need to tell the world your partner is a witch to divorce her, specially when you aren’t even married… Am I missing something?
His sources did put the blame on her.He never said she trapped her with children, also never heard he said he didn’t want to marry her, she didn’t want to marry him anyway so why would he say that? His sources she was a nag. In retrospect that probably meant she was the one who kept him in check. I think she kinda did for him what RDJ wife does for him. Once he let go of Vanessa he lost all control. Always admired Vanessa for not engaging at all. She was thinking of her kids.
While it is undeniably important to support abused women, there are enough inconsistencies in this story to cast serious doubt. If she were crying wolf, that is a serious punishable crime. What about holding off and considering on that may impact on Johnny Depp instead of going all in for a questionable story.
I agree. Let’s hear all the witnesses testify in court.
i disagree. the story is as consistent as dv will ever be. she did everything according to textbook and still gets nothing but shit from the general public.
johnny depp he has all the power. i’m not worried about the impact on him, look how he controls the media, how they collectively forget to mention his arrest record, his drug and alcohol addiction and his violent temper and raging jealousy.
a man attacked a woman. she has proof and witnesses. but somehow people think he is the victim.
She needs to file a police report them and make it a criminal matter, since she has the proof and witnesses.
@ MichLynn
She just did and Page 6 has the info.
http://pagesix.com/2016/05/31/johnny-depps-team-forced-amber-heard-to-give-statement-to-cops/
@flowerchild Good. Now the police can make a complete investigation and he can be forced get help.
Well Johnny, you wanted an official police report, now you got it.
Be careful what you wish for.
Duh. Little late for that but of obviousness.
Everyday my already low opinion of him sinks to sublevels. Dude is an alcoholic, who had a mid-life crisis and dumped his partner for a younger woman. Tale as old as time. Not terribly unique or surprising, but hear his side tell it, she manipulated the poor dear and forced him to marry her without a prenup. His defense of the abuse is to chum the water with crap, instead if doing a mea culpa, in the heat of the moment, didn’t mean to, it was an accident and move on. I hope she gets everything she asked for and more.
I love your take on it, Mia. And let’s not forget the “self defence” bit, either.
This should be a lesson to young women everywhere. Remember…HE WILL NEVER CHANGE. If a guy is controlling, jealous, and prone to fits of anger – RUN. And don’t look back. Doesn’t matter how “sweet” he is when sober, or when he is trying to make up for being an ass. The other side of him, the dark side, is always there. Always.
This should be a lesson to men everywhere: if you hit us, you will not get away with it. We will not stay silent.
I’m tired of people putting the burden on women to avoid monsters masquerading as nice guys. Why don’t we teach men a “lesson” about not abusing women? Let’s teach abusers that there are consequences to their actions, let’s put the burden squarely on the shoulders of the abuser, instead of the abused.
And none of this is to ignore the fact that men can be victims of DV as well.
Yes absolutely – well said.
Hear…..hear!
Of course men should be taught not to abuse. But let’s face it – there are already laws against abuse, and restraining orders, and education, and publicity about DV problems – and there are still men that will abuse. Even though they know it’s wrong and there are consequences. The fact is, some men will never change.
It is important for women to be able to recognize an abuser, and not just hope that a potential partner has been taught not to abuse and will abide by it. It would be nice to not have to learn to avoid abusers, and rapists, and scammers and the like. Unfortunately, that’s not the world we live in.
@Kitten – how about we teach BOTH men and women? Men not to abuse and women stop with the “he/she will change” crap. I’m so sick of hearing that. And there is enough information out there to allow us not to fall into that faulty mode of thinking. As Maya Angelou said, “When a person shows you who they are, BELIEVE THEM”. And that goes for all people in all situations. The only person who can change themselves is THEMSELVES. Full Stop.
@prissa and Another Anne-the collective conversation about violence towards women has ALWAYS been framed in this way: teaching women how to not become victims instead of teaching men not to victimize. Yet women are still overwhelmingly likely to get raped or abused by a man.
So what we’ve been doing: it’s NOT working.
Women are NOT stupid. We have common sense and we freaking know not to willingly put ourselves in harm’s way.
Telling women that the lesson out of this is to leave an abuser because he won’t change ignores the complex dynamics of domestic violence while giving men a free pass to continue to abuse. It’s really no different than telling women that we shouldn’t wear short skirts because it might attract the *wrong* kind of attention or telling us to not walk down a dark alley at night. Lecturing women on how to behave doesn’t address the root cause, all it does is perpetuate this idea that “men will be men” and it’s our responsibility to combat their behavior.
The focus should be on changing the way we socialize men to think that women are theirs to control. Putting the responsibility on the abused is nothing more than another form of victim-blaming.
Just want to say I love you and these posts, Kitten.
Back atcha, Erinn!
I agree with so much of what you have to say.
Unfortunately, the truth is that the person who is being mistreated is the one who has to stop the abuse by getting out safely. I do not have confidence in abusers finding a conscience or making positive changes. I’d like to see more support and avenues of escape for survivors of violence.
I hope this story does more for these (mostly, but not exclusively) women. Unfortunately, Johnny;s team is doing a pretty good job of painting this victim as an opportunist.
ETA: I hope this doesn’t come across as victim blaming. The burden should be on society and perpetrators, not victims/survivors. I am a big believer in educating women about potential signs of abuse.
@ Susanne-I get what you’re saying but my point isn’t so much about how we handle existing abusers. I’m talking about preventing men from becoming abusers in the first place by socializing and educating them at a young age to respect women as their equals. We should be focusing on stopping the problem before it starts. As a society, we simply don’t do that. Instead, we socialize young women to be wary and cautious of young men because “boys will be boys”.
Of course once a woman is involved with an abuser, we must do everything to free her from that dynamic and protect her health and safety. But as a society, we are failing our young men and women by not instilling these values in boys at a young age. We need the education to come from parents, particularly positive male role models, but also from schools, media, any possible method that can be used to reach these young men.
Susanne, I must say I respect and agree with many of your posts but this ( with other similar posts above) has boiled my blood, caused the top of my top head to detatch, and my religion is well and truly lost (thank you REM).
Do you remember as I do when, if you dared go out at night, there were almost no women? And certainly none alone. When one was told to learn to use one’s womanly skills to stay safe in your own marriage? Do not scream or try to get away, you will just make it worse?
Who has to leave their home, their possessions, their place in the community (in the immortal words of Rosanne Cash, “take the baby and run”)? Drive themselves to the hospital and lie about what happened? Comfort the crying children? Swallow their pride, grind their self esteem into the dirt and beg for help?
In other words, you are responsible for a man’s violence, his natural tendencies, the limits of his patience, his drinking, his bad day. And who made these rules? Those who benefited from them.
Abusers should fear, and they are beginning to, those they use so arrogantly.
Preach.
You don’t hit people. This is something we teach children from a very young age. We don’t focus on teaching them to run from those who hit or kick them.
If someone gets hit on the playground do we tell the one who is hurt that they should have run faster or left quicker? No. We put the little one who was violent into time out.
To learn from their errors, so that type of behaviour does not become a habit.
So why do people want to let grown-ass adults get away with less responsibility than kindergarten kids?
Unfortunately the warning signs often come in tiny increments, before you realise it your self esteem is destroyed, you’ve been gas lighted so much you doubt your own experiences and you’ve been isolated from friends and family. It rarely happens quickly.
People really need to stop telling DV victims what they should have done, it’s not at all helpful and often actively harmful. Unless you’ve been there, and more specifically in that exact relationship, you have absolutely no idea how you’d react.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/01/why-ipv-survivors-stay/
Thank you for pointing this out. People have such unrealistic ideas about abuse. No one knows how they would respond under severe, traumatic stress.
Exactly.
Thank you for saying this and for the link.
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Oops I wanted to add that I remember being taught in high school health class about all the warning signs women should look out for- not just in terms of DV but in life: always meet in a public place on the first date, don’t let a man drive you to a remote area, use the buddy system, and on and on. I also remember looking around my classroom and noticing that the boys in the class were doodling, daydreaming, and generally checked out. It was like they didn’t have to listen because they weren’t at risk and this was a “woman’s issue”. It was as if it didn’t matter that they’re the ones who are largely perpetrating these crimes. The message being that it’s on women to avoid risky situations, and if they don’t, then they’re partly to blame because they should have known better.
So where is the accountability for men? Why wasn’t the conversation about boys crossing the street and avoiding eye contact if they see a girl alone? Why aren’t boys taught to make girls feel safe? Why aren’t boys taught that if a girl is intoxicated or incapacitated in any way that she cannot consent to sex? Why aren’t boys taught that just because a girl exists in a public space that this doesn’t give boys the automatic right to harass her? I think there’s a lot that could be done to socialize men starting at a young age on how to respect women as equals.
Additionally, it needs to be said that women are most often victims of men that they know and trust. How do we effectively teach women to avoid that? Do we just tell them to trust no one? That doesn’t seem fair.
I think people have a misperception that if we give women the right tools to protect themselves that we’re empowering them, but I feel that we’re DISempowering women by teaching them to be fearful while putting the power squarely in the hands of men. We need to stop it at the source: we need to teach men to see us as equals and only then will we see the day that as women, we can walk down a dark street just as men do and not be fearful.
Kitten, good god woman, you are my hero, my goddess, my nominee for the next Supreme Court justice.
I understand that I have a traditional point of view when it comes to age differences in relationships but when a person leaves their long time partner for somebody half of their age, I get grossed out and judgmental. I have loved johnny depp for a long time but the persona he has embodied in the past few years does not make any of these accusations sound unrealistic. I hope during all of our comments we try to remember that there is a truth in all of these stories and that there are real people involved with families and children.
Well Depp in his great wisdom decided to marry her so now he’s got to take responsibility for his actions-all of them. No wait, I forgot he doesn’t do that, he just gets his ” friends” to make excuses for him.
Captain obvious! This marriage was a disaster for both of them.
What is, ‘No Sh*t’, Alex.
It’s almost as if bruises form over time!
? Actually, they do. So I’m not sure I understand your statement.
When a bruise is brand new, it will appear reddish due to the color of the blood that leaked from the capillaries under the skin.
At one to two days old, a bruise will take on a bluish or purple color. The swelling at the site of the bruise will cause oxygen to be cut off, and hemoglobin, the substance that carries iron in your blood, will turn blue.
At six days old, a bruise will turn a greenish color as the hemoglobin breaks down and the area begins to heal itself.
At eight to nine days old, a bruise will then turn yellow or brown. This is the final stage in the body’s re-absorption of the blood.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/problems/beauty/bruise1.htm
Sarcasm. She was being sarcastic. Of course bruises don’t immediately show up.
Ah. Sorry, I didn’t pick that up. lol
There are other posters in other threads that don’t seem to understand the concept, however.
Really Silly? If my bruise does not turn green on the sixth day (sounds so Biblical) I am lying?
Well, I guess I better apologize to that lawn rake that snapped up at me. To be fair I was about to put it in the shed for a long, long time.
Farrah is being sarcastic. She knows bruises form/become more pronounced over time.
I used to do kick-boxing and often took a few blows to the face, I NEVER had facial or upper body bruises show up AT ALL until at least a day or two after. I could feel them but they didn’t show immediately and I know many times I may have seemed like I was exaggerating an injury because it wasn’t yet visible to people. For whatever reason, bruises on my leg would show up a little quicker, but we’re still talking 8-12 hours after the blow.
So this whole, “cops saw no injuries on her”, “she has fake, traveling bruises” nonsense really ticks me off. Unless he had Chris Brown’ed her or created a laceration it probably wouldn’t be immediately visible. And her bruises look pretty consistent to me, like when I got hit in the face.
I should clarify that I don’t really like Amber Heard and absolutely do think she was being “uptradey” when she got with him. I don’t actually think she loved him either, however, that does not give him the right to assault her AT ALL. If he finally woke up to her games, he should have just left, he had no right to hurt her physically. I do believe that this wasn’t the 1st time either (but maybe just the worst time) and her motives to stay with him in the past may not have been kosher either but I think when he actually got her in the face, she probably realized 1) this is getting too dangerous and 2) I don’t even love him to be putting up with this kind of BS. And peaced out. That doesn’t mean he should be able to get away with hitting anyone, much less a woman. She may be conniving jerk, but that doesn’t wash away the fact that he is a violent drunk.
she may be a conniving jerk but no one forced Johnny to marry her. i think she was overwhelmed when he pursued her and impressed by the great Johnny Depp. maybe she thought it would be a career boost but none of it gives him the right to abuse her.
i agree with you, he is a violent drunk. i don’t understand his friends excusing him because she forced him to be jealous and paranoid. Johnny had the power in this relationship. they are saying that the wicked witch, Amber, controlled him and provoked him to be violent.
Doctors frequently tell victims of violence to get a secondary set of pics taken the second or third day as that is when the full extent of injuries become apparent.
I was once in traffic accident, walked away, didn’t feel too bad and woke up the next day in screaming, can’t walk, must crawl agony. Went to emergency room and found I had a broken neck. Doctors said, that though i was extremely stupid for not getting checked right away (thank you sir!), it happens all the time.
I also became aware I had a deep, painful diagonal bruise across my torso that had not been there 24 hours ago. It was kind of cool except for pain thing.
I would like to let poster Silky know it never really turned green. Sorry for breaking the rules.
I just read a new statement by her lawyers at JustJared — looks like they are going forward with an official police report to combat this negative onslaught.
I hope she slaps The Wrap/Stanhope with a defamation lawsuit.
For what? He said she manipulative that’s not slander. That’s the same as saying she was rude or obnoxious it’s an opinion.
The title of the article itself is “Johnny Depp Is Being Blackmailed by Amber Heard.” That is not opinion. That is outright accusing someone of a crime.
the laws in the USA are different for public figures. Heard would need to prove that that is wrong and that Stanhope and The Wrap acted with “actual malice”. no real chance of doing either. thats also why celebs never sue for libel or slander.
Well, if the intent is to malign her character and derail her hopes of seeing justice in some form for her abuse, her side may argue that they’ve met the threshhold of actual malice.
All of her behavior including being reluctant to report to police is pretty typical behavior for many people facing police involvement following an assault. Also as someone who works in a shelter for abuse victims, bruises generally show up later on a victim. The following day or hours later. TMZ reporting is actually affirming, to me at least, Amber’s telling of events. Also. Can I say, the only persons side that I am interested in hearing in this whole situation is Kate Moss’s. I would REALLY love to hear what she has to say about JD’s “gentle spirit”. Please let this happen. (This won’t happen)
It’s typical for regular domestic abuse survivors. Now add in the fact that she’s semi-famous and married to one of the most famous men in the world. It kills me that people STILL don’t get why she might have been reluctant to get the police involved.
Yeah. People talk so much bs about her bruise. Skin damage needs time to show. Colour and damage differ from hour to hour. One day half your race is blue. one day later you may just have a yellowgreen cheek. Skin is a living and working organ and it starts healing the moment something happened.
All the people claiming her bruise is a fake because it changes colour and wanders are idiots. If she is such a liar and fakes it with make up then why doesn’t her bruise look the same every day for maximum media effect?
It’s also different every time. I’m someone who can wake up with a massive bruise with zero memory of any trauma, and no prior soreness, I’m pretty clumsy but often look down at my legs and think ‘damn I can’t have forgotten the bump that cause THAT’.
The two times I experienced really bad trauma my body reacted differently. Once I had a bad car accident when my hip essentially took the full force of a concrete pole at speed. I was SO sore, I could barely walk for days but there was only the faintest yellowish tinge. After a few days it turned into a violent black bruise that covered my entire hip and part of my upper thigh. It didn’t fade properly for ages and went through an interesting rainbow spectrum of colours before it did.
Once I was punched square in the face, it was surprisingly not really overly tender to the touch but was red immediately and purple very shortly afterwards. It went from a dark bruise to almost gone relatively quickly.
In short, different trauma on different parts of the body reacts in all sorts of ways. Even forensic experts (people I have some contact with in my line of work) are more reluctant to make the definitive judgements I’ve seen some people make in this instance.
I am a clod who bruises very easily—-and then I stay bruised for days….but it still takes a while for it to show. How thick is the skin at the site of impact? How many blood vessels? Were they large or small? Veins or capillaries? How much body fat was under the skin? What kind of force landed on the site?
I fell off my bike recently and had a bruise for more than a week, in the perfect shape of a bike pedal and bike chain. It didn’t actually form till the next day, when it was black and deep purple. But everyone’s body is different—and often times, peoples’ bodies are different in different places.
his pr is the gift that keeps on giving. it would be funny if it wasn’t so effective.
someone wrote yesterday that most people who are saying he didnt do it, probably feel like he was entitled to hurt her. like ” ah come on, just a phone, she is a gold digger anyway”. which is consistent with the prevalent attitude, even among the police, that domestic violence is a private matter.
At one site I read that he “merely bitchslapped” her rather than using a bat.
And this was a woman posting.
Modern version of an old theme. Some men would say it’s not abuse if it’s not an “open hand.”
He hit her with a big piece of hard metal that had an embedded sheet of glass. He could have smashed her facial bones. He could have permanently damaged her eye and her vision. He knew what he was doing. This is the work of a thug with brass knuckles.
It’s funny when these marriages don’t work out, it’s never because of the huge age difference (but it is). When a man is married to a woman three months older than him and they split, it’s because she’s so much “older” than he is.
It looks like Amber has just filed a statement to LAPD. Page 6 has a statement from Amber’s lawyer,I knew Depp’s idiotic strategy would backfire.
I tried to link it, but it got eaten. This is great news indeed.
I am betting she is RUING the day she finally agreed to marry him. Once an abuser has his woman ‘tied’ to him (if you will) he feels entitled to give free license to his controlling and abusive ways.
I hope she has something on tape. That will put this all to bed quickly and send Johnny to the has been tank with Mel Gibson and Sean Penn.
I hope so too. And that it’s conclusive and leaves zero room for any more of the seriously misogynistic garbage that his supporters seem so determined to persist with.
Even if she does, I doubt it will help. I’ve already seen people saying things like, “Why would she be filming? It must have been a set up!”
I agree. I don’t think it would help very much. People are the worst.
Yeah I really hope it. The day she left her lawyers office she had her MacBook visibly with her. I doubt it was for making notices. She may have showed her lawyers the video evidence
The Hardcore defenders will of course say she staged it or provoked him
Sadly even if she has something on tape people will still say she fake it or that she set him up that’s why it’s on tape. When people don’t want to believe something they will make up every excuse in the book why it isn’t so.
Look at Ben Afleck when it came out that he cheated on Jen, people said they need proof of that and when they got proof they when on the attack mode. They started attacking the nanny from her looks to saying that the nanny set him up and it was fake and he’s a victim. The samething is happening here, now if Johnny wasn’t like those people wouldn’t have any problem believing Amber with out proof. Gwen and Gavin are proof of that, they split and it was reported he cheated and people believed that with out any proof to back it up.
This poor little jealous/insecure Johnny thing reminds me of that Atwood’s quote, men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them.
Wow that quote is SO powerful it gave me chills. Thanks for sharing that-it’s one I won’t forget.
I remember working with guys who were abusers but tried to claim they were victims. They always called their ex wives nagging bitches, talked about abusive language….but the women were the ones with fractures, ruptured blood vessels—-and in one case, a miscarriage. What the men said and what actually happened were never identical.
I woke up today from a dream in which police busted into one of Depp’s residences and found a meth lab. That would settle it.
It was a good dream.
I hope CB picks up Heard’s lawyers new statement. It’s good. Will the LA police do their job? Eh.
It’s so sad that she still thought it was possible to settle it quietly to allow him to get help. She was not being naive, only new to that situation & assuming the best instead of the worst. Men who are controlling and abusive, especially if they’ve cycled through it before, don’t get help. They don’t think they need help. They truly do believe they are the victims of their victims. But people who haven’t encountered that before approach it from a more trusting perspective.
Doubters should really sit down with a psychopath or delusional addict sometime and test their skills at getting through. Lots of luck.
Most victims do think it will get better over time. The thing is, abuse generally escalates and gets worse/more frequent over time.
There is a lot of shame involved with being a victim. Most do not come forward because they don’t want anyone to know and think that if they keep it a secret and it gets better over time, it will be ok.
Take a look at Amanda’s IG-under the ipod picture. She and Amber are both catching hell from the Johnny butt sniffers.
God, he is trying so hard to look like a rock star it is ridiculous. Keith Richards Light
I am glad she is speaking to the police.Let’s see how TMZ(Depp) spins this.
Her lawyer isn’t giving her good advice. PR wars. Make no sense.
You mean his lawyer/PR team isn’t giving him good advice.
It’s not PR war, she’s speaking to the police, they have launched a smears campaign she had no choice.
I tend to think the more Depp’s PR team is trying to discredit her publicly, the more it works in his disadvantage in the long run. All these people feeling the need to explain what they think they know about this relationship, or him, don’t really help matters. I think it would be wise if Heard’s team doesn’t react to each and every new ‘revelation’.
We don’t see many articles neutral or pro Amber, so what his team is feeding the media really seems like an overkill.
Her side seems very subdued I think, beyond an answer to that Doug something article who pretty much accused Amber of blackmail and the today’s statement from her lawyer saying she was going to give police an official statement, we had nothing else.
It actually confirms Heard was originally trying to settle this out of court, and quietly. Which means, Depp and his PR team can hardly be called intelligent, putting out all these more or less unrelated statements from Stanhope, Vanessa, or plenty of commentaries on social networks in support of him. I’m really happy they are that dumb, because otherwise, another (supposed) abuser would have gotten away with it. And in this case, it’s a famous one. Many people have stated Heard to be a gold digger (and she might well be), but we need to understand that this has to be seperated from DV. While I’m writing this comment, another story is out, about Depp trying to suffocate Heard with a pillow in a row earlier in their relationship. The dynamics related to DV have to be discussed in the open, and that’s the only positive point I can find in this whole desaster. I’ll post the link to the last story seperately, since I’m not sure if it gets through.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3618803/Johnny-Depp-tried-suffocate-Amber-Heard-pillow-drunken-rage-claims-actress-s-friend-battered-bruised-confrontation.html
You’re late People magazine. I thought this relationship was doomed when they started dating, and said I’ll give it a year or two when they tied the knot. Something things just look toxic.
I can admit this because I’m on the Internet (hence no shame) but for people who keep questioning her; even now after my exboyfriend attacked me three weeks ago, I’m worried about what my pressing charges will do to him (I’m in France so I literally know nothing about their laws), I hope that we can work it out and that it was just a fluke. So say what you will but domestic violence is never that easy. It’s idiotic on my part and I will no longer extend the olive branch but your mind plays funny tricks on you. You can know someone’s not a good person, you can go through something painful, but still feel attachment to that person.
Any FYI I don’t know all of his exgirlfriends or all of the stories behind their time together but I do know that he is friends with all of them and I sometimes question whether it was my fault because I’m the only one I know of who he did that too. By all accounts he’s a great guy; funny, charming, the life of the party, why I ended up getting him to go so far… only he can say but to all questioning JD’s history, from my experience even the greatest guys can turn personalities. And we had the easiest relationship on the planet. Never fought, never yelled at each other, that night though was the first and last time. I won’t pretend to know their lives but my experience leads me to believe there is truth in her claims. The victim shaming is just deplorable.
Hey,
I hope you are ok. I’ll be blunt to save you the time of reading my poorly written crap.
Leave him. You don’t have to press charges but get out. Get out now.
It is not your fault. You are NOT an idiot.
And forget his ex girlfriends or his ability to carry on a “friendship” with them. Maybe the girls are able to be friendly because they got out before he harmed them? Maybe they are afraid to anger him by not being friends with him? Maybe they don’t know he manipulates them? Maybe those girls are idiots? Those girls are not your problem.
I want you to live. You don’t need this man to live. Go be free and live a good life that you’ve created on your own, protect it and cherish it.
You can do it. GO.
personal decision obviously, but i think you can make the world a better place by pressing charges. even if there is no “real” punishment for him, you create a paper trail and documentation. if he does it again, it will be much easier for his next victim to get justice.
I won’t be blunt because I’ve been there and peoples bluntness and insistence that I do what they said I should do really didn’t help.
I will say that nothing you did caused it because no matter what the provocation (and there usually isn’t any) the person who hits is the person to blame. If you have someone you can talk to I’d suggest going to them or a phone counselling or other service.
I completely understand the reluctance to go to the police and to leave. It doesn’t reflect badly on you. My whole life people have referred to me as one of the strongest most determined people they know yet I was still reluctant for quite some time. I hope you’re OK.
@waketheneighbors Blunt doesn’t equal rude and I insisted nothing. I’ll not ever apologize for telling a human who has been harmed that I want her to live and that she is not to blame. And I will tell you now that I am glad you survived and I hope you continue to heal and do well for yourself because you deserve nothing less.
@Anna Understand, understood 🙂 My first concern is for this person to just get out and away from harm.
Please leave that man. There are always more attacks and you cannot predict when the next one will be. How many attacks would it take to convince you? Why is it important to view him through the eyes of other people who aren’t as close to him? Your safety – your emotional and physical safety – come first.
If he holds on to that many ex-relationships and makes you AWARE of how he is still “friendly” with all those women, that may be to keep you off balance. It makes him seem like such a catch, such a prize. As for being so charming, that is very often the profile of someone who can become abusive. They are different behind closed doors.
Please break it off, move out, do whatever you have to do. Get support. Women who have been there will tell you: It will happen again and nothing you can do will stop it because it is not about anything you are doing.
Very true. By going back it reinforces his behavior. It never ends with one instance.
GET OUT, and be well and safe. Please.
Dear Isee, the only thing I can say is that if you do not stand up for yourself in this, he gets to keep that part of you he hurt permanently. It is not fair but if you wait for fair, you will wait forever.
It may be the hardest thing you ever do but here is the amazing, amazing thing – once you do stand up for yourself, you will almost instantly feel better. I mean stand up righteously, not to try and make him feel bad and love you again, or apologize for doing it, but just look yourself in the eye and make your stand.
If you don’t feel you can do it now, that you need to see his side, or be kind, if not being loved by him is worse than calling him out – you will spend a long time wondering why you feel so bad. And then you will regret not grabbing that piece of you right back and walking proudly away.
A few thoughts here:
1. Notice who has kept their mouths shut? Tim Burton and Helena Bonham Carter. You won’t see friends of class and substance opening their yaps about this at all. They know ACTUAL dirt.
2. Johnny Depp decided long ago how he would live his life and end his life when he was a Hunter Thompson groupie. He is the type of human that revels in their own mess and holds their pedestrian druggy personality flaws up on a shiny pedestal to worship as some sort of eccentric creative muse when the simple fact is they have chemical/ substance abuse issues mixed in with depression that they won’t talk to an actual doctor about.
3. Johnny Depp has become the character he played in Tom Petty’s video for Into the Great Wide Open. Go watch the little rebel without a clue on youtube. He has always glorified this pseudo bad boy Hollywood creeper persona because the truth about being a skinny nothing nobody from Kentucky wasn’t as appealing to him. His level of foolery and drug use in Kentucky is just called being a redneck bubba. In Hollywood you can run some Dapper Dan through your hair and put on an ill fitting leather jacket and trash a hotel room and do windmill at your woman’s face and your red neck buffoonery is magically repackaged as “tough tortured pretty boy artist”
4. Doug Stanhope you in danger girl. You do not make enough money to pay for your legal fees so I hope that poorly written essay on how to get sued for slander and all that was worth it son.
5.. Lilly Rose needs to google her daddy and the concerns the general public had for her when she was born to that walking coke straw who fathered her. You cant fight your parents battles. That kid is going to need a super good therapist. Not envious of her life at all as the kid has a whole hell of a lot to learn. Poor thing. Rich kid or not, its a hell of a thing to have your family business out in the street. Its one awful hell of a ride when you learn that your father or mother are so very deeply, deeply messed up. I’m surprised any of us make it at all.
These were all of my thoughts. I’ll likely not have any more today at all and I’ve wasted them on this topic. Whatever. Good bye thoughts. I’ll go back to staring at the wall now. Good day to you.
And great thoughts they are, Name.
While reading your thoughts, I wondered if being honest is a blessing, or a curse. Probably a blessing in disguise;-) I really do like your thoughts, so I wouldn’t mind if you keep them coming. They are neither waste, nor wasted.
“Tim Burton” and “class and substance” in he same breath? Thank you, I needed a laugh after reading this article!
I don’t think you should drag his kids into it. I am very confused when some of you sound annoyed when a 17 years old girl defends her own father. I really don’t think you can’t fault her for that. And just remember they have a mother (who is probably the main carer since hes on film sets and rock tours and generally seems to be living a nocturnal life) too they aren’t automatically doomed just because he is their father.
I agree about his manufactured image. He’s a try hard Keith Richards at best. I meant to mention Hunter S Thompson in one of my previous posts. It is again manufactured angst on his part.
That huge bruise disappeared pretty fast. It was a great makeup job indeed. I could come on here and say my bf beat the crap out of me and you femnazis would just eat that up.
oh it’s so hard not to feed the trolls.
She lost me at “feminazis”. I’ve never met an intelligent or rational person that would ever use that word.
Yeah, no kidding, eh? What a mess.
Don’t want to feed the troll but you’d be amazed at what make up can cover up. And that’s coming from a peasant like me who doesn’t have access to the best make up artists like she does.
Pinetree, if I were going to fake it, I would sure make it bigger and badder. And it would be a looong slow healing, colors changing gradually every day.
I wouldn’t waste my time on the mildly red outline and 2×2 dark bruise a couple of days later. Really, that outline with the phone features clearly shown is just way too subtle for anyone who watches things like The Walking Dead.
I just can’t with this. It brings back 16 yrs ago back and every fear I ever had when I left my abuser is happening to her. I never pressed charges, I moved and it took years for me to admit to myself that it really was as bad as it was. “He’s a great guy, he would never…your just pissed he cheated.” He told everyone he broke it off so it made things worse for me. I was gone and he knew I couldn’t defend myself against his lies. He made sure if I said anything about his evil streak that I wouldn’t be believed. I was young, naive and so emotional broken I let him get away with it. I didn’t know till almost a year later everything he had said after we were done and he had transferred with his company. The last words he said to me were that I used tears as a self defense tool and that stuck with me. He completely ignored that he caused 90% of those tears. Mental and emotional abuse are just a bad as physical. Shoot by the time the first slap comes your usually already broken. I am stronger for it but I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
The jealousy narrative doesn’t help him. It is just an excuse for his behavior. She did become more reclusive after being with him. She may push his buttons but nobody deserves abuse. The chatty police source just exacerbate the issue. (and will keep others from ever coming forward) I hope her friends gather her close and she needs therapy. It was hard enough being beat by the “nicest guy in the world, who would NEVER hurt a flea” in a small town. I can’t imagine ruining Mr Hollywood’s image. If she isn’t lying and I don’t think she is then she is just being victimized over and over at this point. I can frankly see it since his general appearance, presence and attitude have reflective at the very least alcohol abuse although I think there is more there too.
They both need help at this point.
I’m grateful you got out. So many don’t. One of many things I love about this site is that people share real stories and seem to get some healing from sharing and the tons of amazing, thoughtful, intelligent support.
The more that women (and men) share their stories, the system of lies that abusers put out there becomes less powerful.
I’m going to possibly sound dumb or naive with this question, but it’s an honest question. Johnny hasn’t actually spoken out (other than to say he isn’t going to speak out), yet all of this info is being attributed to him (and his PR team?) as things he is doing and/or saying. I am asking this out of genuine wanting to know more and understand how this shiz works, so here it is: how is it that we know he is saying all of this, leaking these stories, etc.? I don’t doubt that he is or would!! I am just unclear how we know this is coming from him. Is it just sort of the standard play to leak stories as if they didn’t come from you as some sort of way of trying to make oneself look better and the other person look worse? I only ask because there are all of these stories and versions of stories coming out left and right, but none of them are directly quoted from Johnny…but the overwhelming consensus is definitely that they are from him regardless. Is this just what PR teams do in these cases…leak info while making it seem like it came from all sorts of other people? Someone clue a naive gal in?
Hope you’re not trolling. Yes, well-known actors have teams of well-paid lawyers and publicists at their disposal. They bring in “crisis managers” as necessary. They strategize with their actor clients, in this case Depp, and release coordinated messages to their contacts in the media, usually as coming from “unnamed sources” or “someone close to the actor” or “a friend of the actor.”
None of these accusations against Heard are being made without Depp’s direct consent.
It is true that some stuff about celebs is totally made up, but usually there’s some kind of source that feeds the info they are interested in having circulating media to favors or make life difficult for someone. As @Who ARE wrote, there are PR professionals whose job is to do just that, people who work not only for celebs but also for companies.
Also, as I learned yesterday, when Depp separated Paradis there was a similar strategy trying to bash her. With what intention, I don’t know.
One thing you can be sure about are filed court documents. There are links to them here and I believe on Lainey.
The only blessing in this whole debacle is the fact that they didn’t reproduce. I’m not a fan of Depp but Amber rubs me the wrong way as well. I’m sure there is more to this story but we’ll never find out. I’m curious to see what Amber does next, after Depp.
It is disgusting the TMZ articles and that People magazine story and only makes me believe Amber more. Way to send a message to women to speak up when being abused. Blaming her for his jealousy and insecurity? No he was just some old, over the hill, bloated alcoholic trying to feel young again by controlling a beautiful, young woman.
That Doug Stanhope piece was very telling in that Depp tries to come across as this humble, nice celebrity and very un Hollywood. That piece just showed people in his circle have to treat him like some deity and walk on eggshells around him. They are scrambling to stay in good with the “Emperor”.
TMZ should really be ashamed. Their articles are so obviously biased. Harvey Levin is the scum of the earth. Johnny is using his connections and power to try to control the narrative. Or his people are doing that while he’s away to stay in the Emperor’s good graces.
The pro-Depp spin over at TMZ is really terrible. I sent an email stating my disgust but am sure it fell on deaf ears. They have no credibility anymore, or what little they had in covering celeb stories has evaporated.
Don’t go back to that site, and keep putting it out there in places like this. I go once in a while for salacious nonsense, but no longer. Eff them.
Celebitchy and Kaiser – Kudos. Without fail the coverage and tone you take when discussing politically difficult subjects is on point.
Consistently you ladies take very difficult concepts and parse them so that others can hopefully understand. You succinctly adress many common misconceptions, add your own personal flavor, and throughout the underlying current of ‘equality for all’ is evident. To the point that trust your opinions on many feminist issues (cough intersectionality cough) more than writers on traditional feminist blogs. Brava, brava, brava.
It must absolutely break your hearts to read some of the comments, because it breaks mine.
To those who don’t believe victims, to those who believe ‘there are two sides to every story’, please read up on domestic abuse. Please read the book Celebitchy mentioned in the previous post, or Gavin de Beckers ‘The Gift of Fear’, or volunteer with the local Women’s Shelter.
It cannot be said enough how frequently abusers use the same toolset that Johnny is. It cannot be said enough that victims frequently do not act the way that you feel is logical. It cannot be said enough that victims are very aware of the social repercussions from reporting and this deters them from helping bring abusers to justice and hopefully to change.
Do not become part of the problem.
Either way, it’s good to see them apart.
Some people really do bring out the worst in each other, I’ve seen perfectly normal and mentally healthy people driven insane by a partner who just knew how to push buttons. I’m not in any way saying this is her fault, one of them should’ve walked away a long time ago. I can see how him being rich and famous would draw her in, and he’s much older and obviously going through substance abuse issues, but just a few months ago sooo many people were accusing her of being a gold digger and using him to gain fame, this whole situation is just bad for both of them, for many reasons.
Good point Jess.
We don’t know anything.
She’s safe. Hopefully he can get help now. (Probably won’t)
Oh Jess, once again with passive aggressive seeming to support Heard but with the kick in rear sharply embedded in the next sentence. Let’s just look at this one part:
“Can see how him being rich and famous would draw her in”
Here’s how it really went. He saw a very young, super hot model with a perfect face and body whose time was almost completely free to cater to him. In addition, her history of being with other women was not only a turn on but gave him extra bragging rights. Do you think he is so deluded to think if, given his looks, demeanor rotting teeth and I hear smell, he was the manager of an Arby’s or a teacher or an IT tech that she would have noticed his existence?
He knows very well that he is no prize and would be living a sex-free life if he were not rich and famous.
He is the cynical user, not her. He just cannot believe that there is some level of (poop) a woman would not take to be with him.
My point being, being attracted to glamour instead of substance when you are young and beautiful is a correctable mistake. A grown man demanding deference to his violent and abusive whims is repulsive.
no kidding.
Johnny’s long game isn’t cutting it here. Either Amber is lying, and faking her injuries, or she’s not. Nothing in between. If its the former, and she’s set him up, then he needs to get his ass home to LA,stand up publicly with his lawyer/s and state firmly and unequivocally “I did not strike my wife or otherwise injure her. It’s not true and she needs help”. PERIOD. No more attacking her by proxy by his weirdo friends (Stanhope) his kids, or their mother – none of whom were present last Saturday. Of course they’re are going to support him, its expected.
Otherwise he’s guilty. She has bruises, photos of the bruises, several witnesses and possible videos. Amanda de Cadenet has already posted (see Lainey today) that Amber’s face was damaged at her party, that she knows more about this situation than what’s public and is holding information back. There are other credible people doing the same. It won’t matter what his bodyguards (paid henchmen), family or friends. say. He’s guilty of abuse.
What happens to him after that is anyone’s guess. He’s a first time offender (officially) so he won’t be heavily punished. What he needs is to get some help – counseling and/or rehab – and straighten out his life for his own sake and his family’s.
Amber is already free of him and has nothing more to lose/gain at this point.
I agree with what you said, just reminding you that Amber has A LOT to gain/lose here, she asked for a sh*t ton of spousal support. if she wants to be fully free of him she needs to just let it go, they have no children and no reason to be tied together by money,she makes her own, of course it’s nowhere near what he pulls in, but she could easily be done with him tomorrow! I sure would, no amount of money is worth being tied to a man like that.
And while she is at all those things Jess, I think she should just forget it ever happened.
Oh, and do not bad mouth him. That is just petty. I like it when woman are noble about things,
**cat hair ball retching for about 5 minutes**
Jess, she was already entitled to spousal and half of their shared community property. These abuse allegations entitle her to NOTHING more.
You saying that she should walk away from what she’s entitled to by law, because she was abused, plays right into the hands of her abuser. She doesn’t have to be perfect to be a victim.
It’s not her fault or anyone else’s the Depp was so stupid as to not have a PRE NUP in place. Therefore she’s entitled to what she’s entitled, legally under CA divorce law.
The abuse has no play in it – they could be splitting over anything. Is she not supposed to take what the law dictates just so she can appear “noble” to this idiot’s fans – wtf?
i was just pointing out that she actually does have something to gain or lose. I’m not her so I don’t know her thought process, from my point of view it’s easy to say she should walk away and stop asking for money, she lived without it for years and would be fine, but she most certainly is entitled to it and it’s her right to fight for it. It doesn’t sound like Depp will be punished any other way for his abuse, which is sickening and honestly quite shocking. It seems rich and famous men can get away with anything and that has to stop.
I probably came off more cynical of her story than I intended, I absolutely do believe her, her injuries are extreme and hard to look at, no one deserves that! I grew up with an emotionally(and at times physically)abusive mother, I watched her berate and push men over and over for years until they would finally push back, then my mother would run off crying innocent victim to anyone who would listen. That was on my mind while commenting and what I meant by people being able to drive someone insane, being verbally and physically assaulted for years can push a person to do things they wouldn’t normally do, but I don’t think that’s the case with Depp, he obviously has issues with alcohol and/or drugs and needs serious intervention and punishment for these actions.
@Jess thanks for clarifying. There’s just so much crap being thrown about online right now over this topic. I think I get what you were trying to say – she’s been battered, she should just run get the heck out and protect herself. Don’t worry about the finances that’s secondary. I agree with that. Only in this case we’re dealing with two rich celebs. She’s got the dough to hire good attorneys, and he’s worth millions and there’s apparently no pre-nup agreement. So what she’s entitled to, she’s entitled to.
It’s standard to request spousal support when you initially file for divorce in CA; my understanding is you can’t retroactively request it, so she requested it. There will be time to determine the finances and the court will decide. But the main thing is she’s out of there and safe.
I believe Amber totally. Perhaps she is not the image of a victim commonly seen in melodramatic television shows so they use this as an excuse to believe Depp’s ridiculous defense. But that’s how it is for women who are victims of violence. The perpetrators try to find fault with the victim to insinuate that she brought it on herself or deserved it. Amber does not need to be perfect in order to prove what happened to her. He has had violent outbursts in the past so it absolutely proves he’s more than capable of losing his temper and acting out. Throw in an active addiction problem and it doesn’t even take an intelligent person to understand this awful mix frequently leads to disaster. It isn’t a stretch.
I used to love Depp but now he’s someone else added to the list of celebrities I find disgusting. Johnny is giving Mel Gibson a serious run for the title of disgusting abusive douchebags.
I used to be in absolute love with Johnny for his looks and for his acting. His career is over and he is just gross. His drinking and drugging have finally caught up with him and it shows. He had great genes as up to about 2011 he looked pretty good.
Yes to everything in that second to last paragraph. You don’t talk about the abuse (physical or verbal) bc then there’s no pretending anymore. It’s out there and you have to deal with it. From parental relationships to romantic ones, I get that on every level. I’ve always been a Johnny Depp fan, but it’s pretty obvious he was an ahole to Amber. Honestly, I hope she gets what she needs in order to mic on and recover, and I hope he goes to therapy and detoxes and sees what he has done. Maybe he is a sweet guy, but you can still do some terrible things even when you’re a good person. No one is all good or all bad. I think that’s something that needs to be remembered in all this.
How very sad and harmful to be surrounded by sycophants instead of true friends. You anonymous people should have insisted Mr. Depp be seen by a neurologist or psychiatrist when you first suspected something was horribly and drastically wrong, but you didn’t. It’s not too late.
I always thought they got married because Amber thought it would help her career. And it was kind of gross. I mean he was with Vanessa for 12 years and had two kids but never married her. Then along comes someone twenty years younger and suddenly he puts a ring on it? It seemed like he was going through some kind of mid life crisis. But that’s on him, not on her. He was a mess for almost a year before they got married.
That being said, I totally believe Amber’s side of the story and I think Johnny is a huge douche for saying she made it up. And I think she’s brave for coming forward publicly. I mean, who is seriously going to believe that she’s been hitting herself in the face and photographing it for months just to frame a stand up guy? No one. No one does that.