Update by CB: We now know what the incident was. Go here to read.
After TMZ broke the news about the Brangelina Split, Angelina Jolie’s bare-bones entertainment team issued statements on her behalf. It’s worth noting: Angelina still hasn’t issued a statement in her own words yet. She’s not on social media, she’s not tweeting anything, she’s not Instagramming anything, and she’s not issuing anything through a publicist, because she famously does not employ a publicist. Her entertainment lawyer Robert Offer issued this statement on her behalf:
“Angelina Jolie Pitt has filed for dissolution of the marriage. This decision was made for the health of the family. She will not be commenting at this time, and asks that the family be given their privacy during this difficult time.”
Her longtime manager Geyer Kosinski also made a statement on her behalf, saying: “Angelina will always do what’s in the best interest of taking care of her family. She appreciates everyone’s understanding of their need for privacy at this time.” Yeah, I love Jolie but she’s not asking for privacy at this time. She dropped this news at just the right moment for maximum exposure. She knows that we’re going to be talking about this for weeks/months.
Anyway, there’s tons of other stuff out there. I’m discussing the Brad Pitt-side of things in a separate post, this post is mostly just for Angelina-related stuff. Did you realize that she’s not asking for any money/alimony from Brad? That’s interesting to me, just because Brad is much wealthier than Angelina. She came into the relationship/marriage a rich woman, for sure, but HE is probably worth five or six times her net worth, and he’s the one obsessed with cars, motorcycles, pricey real estate and “the spoils.” Angelina just needs a few sack dresses and a pair of sunglasses and she can live like that for weeks.
In the divorce filing, Angelina does say that she’s going to want “additional separate property assets,” but it sounds like she’s going to ask for at least one of their jointly held (?) properties. I have no idea – it wouldn’t surprise me if every one of their properties was owned by Brad alone. Angelina has also requested that she keeps “miscellaneous jewelry and other personal effects.” Good. She has some nice jewelry, not that she wears those pieces all that often. You can see Angelina’s divorce filing here at TMZ.
Us Weekly also has some exclusive-ish reporting, saying that Angelina only decided to file for divorce “one week ago” following “an incident that affected the entire family” which is still shrouded in mystery. Sources also say that the divorce/split “has been coming for some time. This is a very difficult period for the family. It was such a difficult decision and it was so hard for her to make. Now that she has made it she knows it was the right thing.” SO CRYPTIC.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet and Pacific Coast News.
I wasn’t interested in this in the slightest but the fact that it’s shrouded in mystery has me gagging for more….
+1
I want to know what Brad did that she thought was a red line. It can’t be just giving one of the older kids alcohol or marijuana. It sounds like something MAJOR. Cocaine? Russian hookers? Physical abuse? Left them alone at home while on a weekend drug binge? I like that her kids come first before any man, that’s a MOM.
My theory is that things have been bad between them for some time, and that, perhaps the kids witnessed an incident between them. That’s why this is “for the health of the family.” As in, “We love our kids but can’t be together,” sort of thing. I’m sure if they had a very nasty or possibly physical fight in front of their children, that would be enough to get her to pull the trigger AND want to protect her kids.
So I don’t think this revolves around and incident between Brad and the kids, rather an incident between Brad and Angie that happened in front of the kids.
But through the statements thus far, she seems to be placing the blame squarely on his shoulders, whether or not that’s actually fair. That makes it seem more like an incident between him and a kid/ the kids. Gah! I’m so curious.
@tealily – Not saying this is what happened, but if I were arguing with my husband and he hit me in front of our kids, you can be damn sure I’d be putting the blame squarely on his shoulders.
Maybe one or a couple of the kids found some candy edibles of his and she was like #@$! this. People are usually cool if you use weed just don’t be dumb and keep it where the kids can get it. Lock it up like a gun.
I thought this too. Or maybe he drove drunk, and she caught him doing so. Maybe he punched a wall, or threw something. I know that if my husband did any of those things, I’d seriously question our future. If we were considering divorce, any of those things would make me file.
I doubt she’d say such terrible things about him for those reasons. My money is still on him driving with one or more of the kids while impaired. I can’t imagine anything else getting her so angry as to say he’s dangerous to his kids.
Why would Russian hookers, specifically, be a “major” incident or deal breaker? Would Japanese hookers be ok? Would British hookers or American hookers be considered a lesser incident or somehow more maritally acceptable than Russian hookers?
Just my opinion but, the only explanation I can see that explains her very sudden and public actions is because Marion Cotillard is pregnant and ballistic she went. Blended family ends right there for her …. plus, this isn’t something to be worked out slowly behind the scenes because a baby is coming. She wants to set up boundaries for the “health of the family” asap and be well established in her own family unit and as a single mother by the time a “sibling” is born. AJ seems like a woman who would have handled the embarrassment of an affair privately with a fairly private divorce but add a BABY and game is over and boundaries established immediately. It seems the only explanation for such a sudden and public action unless Brad did something truly heinous and she needed a rapid disassociation for herself and the kids. Weed, affair, alcohol, partying …. all of that would have been handled in a more private divorce filing.
@CynicalCeleste – I think @T.C. was just including various reasons that have been floated over the past 24 hours. Specifically Page Six reported yesterday about “Russian hookers”:
“The atmosphere [off-set] was full of hard drugs and Russian hookers, and Angie was told Brad got caught up in it,” the source said. “He’s in the throes of some insane midlife crisis, and Angie is fed up.”
Maybe he gave one of the older kids a Russian hooker who was high on cocain, and the hooker physically abused the kid. And then they all got on the back of his motorcycle and he drunk drove them to Charlie Sheen’s house where he made sure his pedo ring was running smoothly. Then MC stopped by and Brad introduced them to their “new mommie who is going to give them a new brother or sister”. 🙄 Until we know, we don’t know. And it’s really shitty of her to vague him so the whole world speculates about why she is pissed. This could have been handled differently.
Thoughts and prayers for the russian hookers who are totally and unfairly being dragged into this mess.
It’s Russian hookers because prostitutes are only ever Eastern European. Have Hollywood movies taught you nothing?
Angelina Jolie comes first… it’s all there for people to put the dots together. I’d be extremely surprised he either struck the kids or her, flew into a rage in front of her or the kids or left his pot out for the kids to get into (he probably smokes that all up before anything can even get into it!). My money is he was cheating with his costar, who is pregnant and the baby is his. The statement about the welfare of the children is vague enough to cover this.
@AANG. After a long day of training in software development tracking tools, your comments made me laugh so hard and I really needed it. THANK YOU!
I find myself agreeing with Capella. The tone I seem to be ascribing to these posts as I read them is that of a woman scorned and she’s lashing out big time.
http://blindgossip.com/?p=80934
That would do it for sure but I really don’t think it’s who is getting the “blame” right now.
Speaking of blind items, radar online has a big one. It’s has to do with the two Corey’s. Pretty scary stuff.
But the blind item says the pregnant actress is married and it’s the director who’s the potential father.
I think she intentionally shrouded it in mystery by not releasing a statement through her publicist except “no comment”. And the time and way in which she filed. She’s crafty. Notice how, while the world is accusing him of drunken and drugged child abuse and fathering a child with another (most likely completely innocent) paramour, she hasn’t released a single word to dispel the rumors and accusations. She’s pissed and crafty. It really is true that “hell hath no fury like a woman’s scorn”.
I agree. I’m sad. I loved them together.
but why should she tell anyone at all??? this is happening to her family not ours. why call her names like you know her over HER PERSONAL LIFE
Moi- that’s the whole point; the way she revealed this made it the most public feeding frenzy it could be. It’s the opposite of personal and private. Now the way it’s continuing to be handled is also contributing to the circus.
@MOI she released the statement. If you don’t want people to know or ask, why publicly declare it and then ask for privacy?
she simply gave the bare bones of her story – was she supposed to add caveats of: not impregnated anyone
not raped anyone
not used any hookers
not a monster
that is just crap gossip flying around it is not her cyclone to centre
@Moi I agree and I don’t think she tried to get attention by doing this. No matter what she did, it would have been wrong–if she hadn’t said anything there would’ve been “Scandal” type headlines anyway. She’s telling the media, they’re finished and as far as why, it’s nobody’s business but theirs and I agree. Also- this quote from the piece above kind of irritated me- “it wouldn’t surprise me if every one of their properties was owned by Brad alone.” Because she’s the woman and he’s the man so he owns the property? So old school. And Jolie was (is?) one of the highest paid stars (women or men) in Hollywood. I doubt she needs Brad’s money.
Ronaldinhio- nuances, they are a thing to comprehend.
What we the incident?! I wish I didn’t want to know, but I need to know!!!
Check out the radar online blind items. I don’t follow any other entertainment sites but this one and dlisted on occasion, but my sister pointed out this potential theory last night. It’s VERY SERIOUS, but with everything we’ve learned about the inner workings of public relations in the industry from the Taylor-exposed situation this summer has made given us all an inside peek into how the sausage is made. Things happen in life that are terrible. People with power and money who have done wrong will usually try to publically cover up any unpleasantness that may affect them personally or professionally.
This. One hundred percent this.
Yep-
which comment were you referring to? Just wondering if you had read radar’s information. Something is nagging me about this story and the timeline fits. It’s just a horrible thing to even broach as a potential theory, but SOMETHING about it all……..the milk just isn’t clean.
Alicat1822 What are the rumours?
That must’ve been one hell of an incident.
Also: child support?
That’s what I was wondering. No child support with 6 kids?
I can only imagine that child support would be a given, and not an additional requested item for Jolie?
No. She would have to follow procedure and request it. I imagine that child support will be handled with their custody issues. They will probably do what Brad and Jen did and hire a retired judge to finalize their settlement so it stays private. It is technically still an open session but it wouldn’t be posted on a publicly available court schedule, it will be in an office somewhere.
child support? sure….but like…..aren’t they worth $400M combined lol? i get the principle and the whole ‘Law’ thing….but you know…..$200M a piece?
Where I live, neither party gets to determine child support. Rather, the court decides it 100%. So you can’t “ask for it” per se.
@lindsey- I meant as an agreed upon request between them that wouldn’t be so interesting and something to speculate about in the public eye. I am aware that it isn’t instantly awarded every time, you know what I mean?
I’m pretty sure that child support automatically comes with having sole physical custody, so there is no need to request a specific amount in the initial filing. Child support is implied. Angie is doing the classy thing not to ask for alimony, but she will need child support if she’s taking full custody of all 6 kids, and that’s where the fight will be if she and B can’t settle this calmly and quietly.
I’m still in shock.
Me too!
Me too!!
Omg! Me too!
This is so strange considering how private they were. Never in a million years would I have pegged Angelina Jolie to hint at something so publicly, but it must have been horrible. What did Brad do?
Yes, why the public route..? No joint statement and giving the illusion of being united for the children. Instead of drawing attention and playing it like there’s no show here folks, Ange has gone about it in a very public way. If anything it has created a media frenzy and I feel for the kids. WHY!?! Some posted yesterday that it must be bad because this is not her style. Is it..? Are we sure..? I know we don’t know what goes on behind close doors, but shit has most definitely gone down. It’s the contant statements from her camp about the kids, the familie’s health and brad’s parenting that have made an already big story of them just spitting, fecking yuuge.
But is she really being so public? If you file for divorce, it’s public record and tabloids diligently check those daily in any celebrity-dense area. A terse acknowledgment after rumors started flying isn’t terribly public. It may just be an attempt to shut down speculation a bit. Even the headline here is just speculation, maybe there was no incident that triggered it now and maybe it won’t even make much difference in the way they actually handle the kids. Physical custody by one parent might be just a convenient way to do it. Brad may be allowed to have as much time with the kids as he wants. Not all divorces are hostile and rigid about parental contact. The official statements just confirm what is already public record.
It’s all very, very strange. For someone so private, and so protective of her kids, it’s seems very out-of-character for AJ to be seemingly throwing Brad Pitt under the bus. She must know the rumours and speculation will get back to the kids, and that that will make the divorce that much more difficult for them. I hope this is just media spin, and that she really isn’t so petty as to use her kids as weapons against her soon-to-be ex.
IKR? This is all such a deviation from the Jolie playbook. I just cannot imagine what this “incident” could POSSIBLY be. After 12 years and 6 kids? To throw all of that away it had to have been something unforgivable.
I totally agree this is not her method of doing things with her life. This is a statement divorce not pushed under the rug and hope no one hears about it. The thing that concerns me is that she acted out after an incident one week ago, which makes me wonder if her adrenaline/cortisol were running rampant and caused her to fight or flight in order to protect. When someone makes such a long term permanent decision off of one incident, I’ve usually seen that backfire. To play it like this she must be sure as HELL that she is doing the right thing.
Also filing for sole physical custody might also be a way to manipulate how much time he gets. By starting with that she might be able to negotiate something that feels okay to him from that starting point.
SideNote: Kitten! Just wanted to add that I also partake in cannabis every single day and agree it is NOT that which makes people aggressive. We’d be great neighbors! (Read the comments late last night at work)
I don’t know though….I could definitely see her being of the scorched earth variety. Something went down, but it could just as easily been something she was just tired of, and now that she is done she is DONE. Take no prisoners.
Lol when on earth were they private? The kids were on more covers than the Kardashian kids, both parents revealed a lot. They have sold their family and the ‘big happy’ brood for years.
I agree. This is 100% out of Jolie’s playbook. Anne Helen Peterson on Buzzfeed has a good piece analyzing Jolie’s PR game and how it’s playing out in the divorce announcement.
They have been semi-private at best. My two cents worth of speculation is that she is just done and isn’t making any effort to clear up the wild speculation regarding an alleged ‘incident’. Could have been as simple as a big argument in front of the kids, or just being at the point they cannot calmly communicate.
Excellent perspective in the Anne Helen Peterson / Buzzfeed piece. Thanks for the recommendation @Gatita.
I’ve never thought of them as particularly private either – didn’t she just do some photoshoot with her and the kids on a beach not too long ago? And they both really talked about them a LOT in the press, and definitely the family stuff was a big part of their image.
However, I am surprised that she made THIS so public.
I’m afraid of it, whatever it is. After all the horrible sh-t about Johnny Depp came to light, what now? I really really hope it’s a personal thing they can’t get past and not something truly terrible or violent.
I feel you here. It involves something more than a marriage breakdown. Or cheating. I feel like they might have had an open marriage, based on the fact that they were always careful about how the relationship began and are very well aware of things happening on the set. She is a smart woman. And has a degree of self-awareness and an understanding of how the “world works”. Most of her publicized relationships had roots on the film set. Some of his did as well. I could see them being able to separate a sexual relationship from a permanent one and the family that you go home to and stay with. That doesn’t mean that I would want that for myself, but I don’t live in that world and I’m not in the industry. Infidelity happens all the time. But I just can’t see that in itself being the reason that all of this is taking place right now to these extremes.
It’s going to come out, and shock us all.
I have a really hard time believing Brad was violent with the kids, but I also don’t (want to) believe that Angie would use the kids as a weapon just out of spite. The theory up thread that Brad drove drunk/high with a kid in the car seems plausible, though.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, I definitely see her in a new light (not really negative or positive) it’s just clear that when whatever it was went down she immediately shifted into “We are done and you are my enemy” mode.
Yeah, that seems really telling. So abrupt. No mention of trying to work it out or the ever-popular “we remain the best of friends and committed co-parents.”
I agree. She’s going for the jugular and she’s done with him.
I find her turn around scary too. I know some people think that he must have done something to deserve this but honestly the only thing that would justify going scorched earth when you have kids together is if he committed a crime. Even then, I would expect that to be handled as quietly as possible. He gave the kids weed? Fine, get child welfare involved and quietly file for divorce. When the press find out, you make a joint statement about “privacy at this time”. No, public statements about his parenting or your managers giving statements on your behalf. Once you have kids, you give up the right to publicly rail on their dad. And definitely you lose the right to try and manipulate the media perception of just yourself.
Maybe one of the kids found his stash?
Agreed Naya.
@Jeanette-Finding a stash is grounds for divorce? I mean unless it was a stash of heroin and meth or something…..
I’ve wondered if this isn’t a method to force him into rehab if his substance abuse issues have impacted everyone.
@ bluhare
You read my mind.
It is scary but we also don’t know what led up to it. This may be, as Bluehare said, a tough love tactic to force him to confront issues that have been affecting the family for some time. The kids are definitely old enough to know what’s going on, perhaps things finally came to a head and she was like “this cannot continue”. It would seem drastic from the outside.
The public announcement may just be to put it out there since it’s going to come out eventually anyway. Bald statement, there boom done.
Naya, I agree and have been trying to work through why make everything so public and take a scorched earth approach. With the kids involved, even if Brad did something heinous, Angie could have quietly filed and gone with “no comments at this time”. It still would have been a big story, but she started out by throwing gas on the fire and this is what you do when you’re pissed. So she’s angry, and perhaps righteously so, but Brad is saying that this hit by surprise.
I think we’ll see more TMZ leaks from sources over the next few days (weeks, months?) especially as team Brad gears up and starts to respond.
Well if they were smoking it, yeah she might decide this is the last straw with the pot..and Brad.
The way this is being handled is so confusing to me. If this isn’t over something incredibly serious and dangerous, then I really question why it had to get this dirty so fast. People can get divorced for a number of reasons, it doesn’t have to get this publicly intense…unless there is a legitimate reason.
What if he drove drunk/high with one of the kids? If there were incidents before, you can bet she would go scorched earth to keep him from killing their kids. That’s my guess.
Maybe Brad told her he was voting for Trump. I would divorce my husband for that.
I dunno, my tin foil hat is firmly on, but there is a difference between a person being like that and a brand/public image be like that.does that make sense?
She’s never aired their dirty laundry before, I don’t think there wasn’t any though, just no one talked about it.
My current favourite theory is that she’s been fed up with his shit for awhile and he did something really crappy and not dadly. So she freaked, final straw and all, and left. Rumour of Marion were swirling too and now she’s found out Marion is carrying his baby. That’s why she knows it was the right choice.
What if one of the kids walked in on him and another woman…
Shit, I’m speculating. I never speculate. This is my last speculative moment.
I think the break-up had been a long time brewing… and that incident seems the classic final straw.
Furthermore, am I the only one who thought that even Pitt is still trying to cope with her decision?
Poor kids, no way they can be protected from this storm.
Nope. I think he’s shell shocked just like the rest of us.
on the radio this AM, the news reports say that he was “blindsided”.
IDK about that.. I was looking at something posted on Huffpo, a pic montage of them throughout their relationship… the way they looked at each other, you could see the love, the admiration in their gazes.. It’s crazy that this is ending so dramatically. I feel so bad for the kids but they obviously know what happened for the $#it to hit the fan. I really feel bad for everyone involved.
I knew about this via a meme posted on (or liked by) my sister’s Facebook. Somewhat surprised.
Did we really think she completely left behind her former (younger) self? People evolve and they change but their personalities usually don’t. She reinvented herself over a decade ago and it was a brilliant reinvention. But while everyone focused on her new image, everybody seems to have forgotten what kind of person it takes to pull that off in the first place. What kind of effort. She’s always been in complete control of her image and career, no matter what that image looks like. She is going to be ruthless here.
This. I am not buying Brad as a bad guy. And I think she is going full on Mia Farrow. She will end up half earth mother-humanitarian/ half loon.
Yes I think she still has traits of her former self, so to speak however, I think she has grown even further away from her past. That she feels she has out grown or headed in another way than Brad. I suppose it’s the House of Lords thing floating around ( yes its influenced my concepts) but I can absolutely see her heading in that direction or something similar. It was mention in a comment ( not sure who) yesterday that you can invision her pairing with an older, more worldly political activist partner or something along those lines.
My feeling is that you are on to something with this reinvention behavior- I think that more absorbed she has become in world humanitarian efforts, the more disenchanted she has become with his materialistic/ hedonistic/myopic ways, and has grown to despise him. I think her claim that it was something that affects the famiy is a general term for those behaviors, and her ultimate goal is to achieve UK/ EU citizenship, get involved with the House of Lords, and have an influence on world humanitarian policy/politics. Very strange and discordant relationship between her means and her end.
She hasn’t changed her essential self at all. My $0.02.
@NotSoSocial
Uk doesn’t equal EU citizenship anymore. It’s one or the other, I guess.
Can American citizens be dual?
Thank you. This is what I keep saying as I’m reading the reports. You said it much more eloquently than I ever could.
People don’t change, anyone who tells you different is selling something. What does change is behavior and focus, the root personality is still the same.
She has always been a ruthless person, determined to do what she sets her mind to and doesn’t let silly things like obstacles or other people’s opinions get in her way. She’s not afraid. This is not a good or bad thing, it just is.
When she was younger she was really wild, doing things she thought were fun regardless of what was expected. She probably enjoyed the horrified reactions of others as much as the weird crap she was into. She has said many times that going to Cambodia and subsequently adoption Maddox changed her focus entirely. She turned her focus outward. So while she left behind the wild child who lived only for herself, it’s been the same woman the whole time.
Exactly. I like Angelina but I always thought that the wild/unstable/badass part of her was still there underneath. She reinvented herself to enter her next phase of her career and life as a humanitarian, but I doubt her core personality has changed much. She may be more mature but she is strong and crazy like a fox. I agree that she will be ruthless to anyone who wrongs her. She’s the type of person who will immediately cut ties to any former friend, relative, or partner she ends up disliking or distrusting.
@ silver unicorn,
Yes, I am aware of the Brexit fiasco, the slash was meant as and/or. I specified the HoL because she has a mentor there.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html
@Wren: I should have said “grow up” instead of change, maybe. Or “get older” in case of … err, senior citizens like my parents. But no, I’ve never seen someone’s personality change. The people I’ve known since 5th grade are essentially still those people I met when I was 10.
SilverUnicorn, it depends on the country. Some countries in Europe allow dual citizenship with a US citizen, others do not.
Wren—
I agree with you 100%. Your comments are very intuitive and fair. There is something big that is going to come from it. We all know that publicists and the “sources” are planting seeds to leave the public down a certain path. That is their job and they are operating in a controlled chaos mode right now. The public is going to speculate. But something tells me that we are being led down the primrose path with rose-tinted glasses. I keep returning to radar online and their posts about Corey Haim and Corey Feldman. I know that no one wants to go “there”.
I’m glad there are other people with this perspective. I think the whole thing is about HER. Recreating her image, all the humanitarian stuff is really about perpetuating this image of ‘who she is’.
Sadly I get this feeling as well. This is not an amicable split AT ALL. She’s cutting him off at the knees.
His brief statement about being saddened and asking for privacy for the kids, is telling me that he did not see this coming.
Yeah, if the incident was THAT bad, then it means that she kept her real feelings to herself while plotting the divorce otherwise Pitt would have sensed in some way that the marriage is truly over. Pretty cold and calculating to do that to your partner of 12 years. Especially because divorce was on the table already, why not just say straight after the incident that the divorce is on. No, she totally wanted to blindside him and smear him. It gives me chills but at the same time I admire her. It’s weird!
The way Tom Cruise sensed Katie Holmes was plotting an escape? When you’ve had enough, lines are crossed, children are endangered? Get the kids and yourself out any way you can.
@ Artemis:
I must confess I f*cking love when she’s ruthless. I know, I know…I’m a horrible person and I’m going to hell for saying this: but if she’s out for blood, he’s doomed.
@ Notasugarhere:
No one will ever beat Katie Holmes’s ninja escape from Tom Cruise. That whole thing was brilliant! It looked like a James Bond’s movie plot.
I see his statement as a total PR move. Blindsided my @$$. She had enough of his manchild ways and handled it like the grown mature woman she is. The one thing I hope Angelina does is NOT standby and take it once his smear machine really gets going. She should not let history repeat himself. Hopefully she’s learned a thing or two from the way she was portrayed during his last divorce.
Right? I would even argue that the drinking/weed BS is her giving him a warning shot like: Don’t Fight me, Don’t let me say more… Is a shame cause I really thought they were gonna stay quiet/dignified and minding their kids together but Laura Wasser is going full Johnny Depp
That’s the part I noticed- Wasser. Ugh! I saw that AJ didn’t ask for money and I though that was good since Wasser will drag a woman for asking for less then what is her basic right. I think Wasser is coming out with gloves on and I’d think that wasn’t AJ but she hired her and is going along with it all. Yeah- I agree that Wasser is going full Depp. Wasser & AJ are not concerned with the relationship that Jolie/Pitt will have with each other in the future and that sucks. I feel for the kids- this is going to be a bumpy ride.
This does not seem like this was the healthiest, quietest or best route “for the kids” or “the health of the family”. I have to think that he did something really, really bad that is unforgivable.
I just don’t love it when a mom (or dad) tries to take full “ownership” over the kids. As lovely as that sounds when going through an acrimonious divorce, unless the kids are in danger and there is no work around with that, one parent doesn’t get to just keep the kids because they want them.
If Angelina can change her whole imagine and be seen as a Mother Earth type and she used to play with daggers and keep vials of blood, who is to say Brad can’t do the same and step up.
Also; of note, she didn’t say supervised custody, which, I think if imminent danger is possibility you would.
So, not sure if she thinks he shouldn’t parent. Or even have the kids for any length of time. She just wants their physical custody to be with her, and probably have more of it.
How bad could it be if she’s not requesting psyche tests, or third party lawyers for hem.
This is just the initial filing. There is plenty of time. Custody is a constantly evolving situation depending on the welfare of the children.
Knowing they’ve been having problems for a while does help to make sense of her being done after whatever incident happened a week or so ago – it wasn’t a one time thing, but rather the final straw. Still odd that there was no trial separation or taking some time apart to sort things out and maybe come back together and work things out….but no. Done. DONE!!! That says a lot to me.
It doesn’t sound to me like an impulsive decision. I think trouble had been simmering below the surface for at least a year and tension was building up like a pressure cooker. It only took one incident, whatever that was, to push her over the edge.
“We are done and you are my enemy” mode. Eh, I think she’s always been like that with her partners..
You think so? I know she’s close to both her ex husbands now.
Did you mean to comment on all of the old Taylor Swift threads because that really does not apply to Angelina Jolie at all. She has always spoken pretty honestly about why her former relationships did not work out. And has maintained a degree of dignity and respect when speaking about former relationships.
Amy Tennant is correct.
I don’t think so. She seems to speak well of former partners–she evern wrote the forward for Thornton’s book.
Not all women become irrational, I know you didn’t imply that, I’m just saying her behaviour shows she isn’t thinking and is out to destroy the father of her kids.
I never thought I would feel bad for Brad, but I do.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned? Tell that to mass shooting victims. Let’s all have a thread where we decry ingrained sexism again. That’ll be super fun.
My guess is he spanked one of the kids. Jolie doesn’t seem like the kind of woman who would file for divorce because he slept with another woman.
They have been together with kids for 11 years. Their youngests are 8. Surely that would have come up before now.
+1
That’s what I was thinking. Issues with the children seem like they would have come up long before now. Perhaps this IS about his affair. Maybe he wants out and he’s letting her look like the wronged party?
Plus she definitely doesn’t want to be the pathetic woman he cheated on that stays behind…Lainey wrote something like that I think. She has an image, she would never allow it to be seen like Jennifer Aniston…
This though. I’m kind of weirded out by some of the theories about why they divorced. I’m not married but is that all it takes for some people?
A single disagreement about how the kids are raised and you axe the entire thing?
@Kitten – Exactly. I’ve been with my husband for 15 years. And it would take a whole hell of a lot more than a substance abuse issue to get to the divorce point. For me, it would likely be cheating or abusive behavior over a long period of time. Those are things people divorce over.
My only one theory is this: That it doesn’t actually have to do with the kids directly, but perhaps AJ & BP have been fighting and perhaps it got physical in front of the kids? That would fit with the “one big incident” thing and would also make a divorce understandable. But that’s all I’ve got.
It would have to be one heck of a whopper. Different ideas in child rearing are to be expected, considering that backgrounds and upbringing vary wildly amongst spouses/partners. But usually your core values are similar, and differences can be worked out if both partners really desire it. The only absolute deal breakers I can think of would put the life/health/wellbeing of my kids at stake. Then I would be a mama bear from hell…no one on earth can threaten my kids.
@Onerous
” it would take a whole hell of a lot more than a substance abuse issue to get to the divorce point”
Sorry, NO. That depends if you (or your spouse) used/use in the past. My hubby is a non-smoker/non-drinking person, sorry but I’d scorch the Earth if I found out he had stashes of weed/whiskey/heroin somewhere, you’d probably hear my yells from USA…. And surely served with a divorce, because he wasn’t like that when I married him, nor he was addicted to anything.
Although I’m aware it is a bit different from Jolie-Pitts because they were users/addicted to substances in the past.
@Kitten
It depends what you mean. I’ve no children, but if I saw my husband repeatedly beating one of my kitties, that would be already grounds for divorce for me. I can’t condone violent behaviour, even if the abuse is not directed at me.
@Silver – You’re right and I should have clarified myself. Certainly a deep/ongoing addiction issue would be grounds for divorce. However, after 15 years with my husband, if I discovered he’d developed an addiction, I’d move hell and high water to get him help. I’d move out. I’d take the kids. But I’d reserve divorce in the hopes of him regaining his health. If he was unwilling/unable to get help, then yes. Divorce.
@Onerous
I dealt with addiction and mental illness already (a close family member, last 20 years; thank God I got married and now live elsewhere) and there’s nothing you can do for them, except leaving.
I care about my life, sorry. Not really willing to throw it away again for somebody else, even if the one concerned would be my lovely husband.
His ‘health’ won’t ever regard anything to do with addiction, he’s a grownup man; concerning mental illness, if he refuses treatment over and over, he’s on his own as well.
@Kitten…
Well, I left my husband in part because of incidents leading up to a major blow out, so..maybe this wasn’t just a one time thing. My ex was very strict and heavy handed with punishments and it caused a LOT of tension within our marriage. The older my son got, the harder it was to ignore. My ex slammed my son against the wall by the neck and that was the night I knew I was done with my marriage. I will ALWAYS always choose my son over any man. Maybe Angie disagreed with how Brad handled a bunch of situations and ONE thing pushed her to the edge. But I really can’t see Brad being a complete dick like my ex.. Again, I feel so bad for all parties involved. =(
yolo112 I’m so sorry that happened to you and your son.
That’s kind of what I was thinking might have happened, though. I don’t know if Brad Pitt is the kind of person who would want to use physical violence to “discipline” his children. I would hope not, but it if it was an acceptable form of punishment in his own family growing up, sometimes old habits can die hard. Maybe it didn’t come up, or didn’t come up as much, until the older kids hit their teen years – negotiating the huge developmental changes that kids go through then can really bring out a lot of issues for parents.
Thanks for the replies guys and I get what you’re saying.
@Silver Unicorn- a single incident that is of the unforgivable variety is enough to end a marriage for sure. The example you gave of beating a pet is a good one. Well not “good”, but you know…an effective example.
@Yolo-Oh wow that’s awful…Yeah I can also see how that kind of repetitive behavior would eventually end in divorce. It seems so hard because even if you agree on how you will parent/discipline your kids before you ever have them, you don’t really know how/if that will change once the heavy lifting (ie actually RAISING them) happens.
My guess would be that one of the teenagers found and maybe used, his stash. The oldest kids are grown enough to a) understand and b) want to participate.
Yeah I think this is likely too.
Of everything posited so far, this seems most likely, doesn’t it?
And he was of the opinion that it wasn’t a big deal, while she was of the opinion that it was a big deal. Cue relationship-breaking argument over it.
It’s about the only thing I can imagine Mr Sixer and I divorcing over – if something went horribly wrong with one of the kids and we were diametrically opposed in how to deal with it. Or were at odds over whether if it was actually something going horribly wrong at all. (Thankfully, and so far, we seem to be pretty much in lockstep over parenting issues!)
I’m with TFanty here too.
Plausible, but to divorce over that seems really silly to me.
The kid/s hitting up his stash does sound plausible but why throw Brad is a drunk rage monster into the mix..? That would make him irresponsible but it doesn’t really justify or add up on the (brad’s) anger side of things…?
MiniMii – being fundamentally at odds over bringing up children is not really silly and is often a relationship-breaker. It’s not single or particular incidents that break the relationship: it’s the conflict over a vital function of a familial unit.
Maybe this isn’t the case here, but it’s a lot more likely than some of the out-there theories being proposed. It’s an everyday reason for family break-up.
@MiniMii
It depends on the way anyone conceives a relationship.
If I caught my husband smoking pot or doing cocaine (something he never did before), he’d see my lawsuit too. I’ve never even smoked cigarettes and that would be a deal breaker for me.
And, I might add, I’ve not even children…
@Sixer ITAWY
Maybe instead of the kids “finding” the stash, Brad willingly gave it to them? The older ones- Maddox and Pax. That’s certainly becoming more standard these days. I have a 16-year-old daughter with several friends whose parents are fine with them drinking and doing drugs as long as they do it at home. Which is INSANE. I can see Angelina flipping out over that, given her sobriety issues in the past. I’ve seen families implode over this kind of thing. I know a couple who divorced after 20 years because the wife threw a high school graduation party for their daughter, supplied booze to the kids and hired a band, and her daughter (17) got wasted and had sex with one of the guys in the band and got pregnant.
She is a woman with a history of addiction, trying to raise kids in a Hollywood/celebrity environment. I would lose my sh*t if I thought my husband was normalizing substance use/abuse around them. People raising kids together make commitments about where their line on certain issues is drawn. A violation of something like that could easily be a dealbreaker.
Maybe it wasn’t weed. Remember when Jude Law’s ex-wife brought their little kid to a party and the kid found and took a hit of ecstasy? I can see something on that scale being the last straw -for sure.
I don’t think it so much matters exactly what happened – I’d be surprised if it turns out that Brad is some kind of monster, or Angie is, for that matter – rather than an irreconcilable difference of opinion over whatever it was that happened.
Whatever the incident (providing it isn’t something outrageously extreme, which I doubt, since they both seem basically sensible people and committed parents), you can guarantee that some of those who comment here will think it not such a big deal and some will think it an outright deal-breaker.
It’s not an objective summary of a particular incident that is likely to make marriages break up over parenting issues: it’s a fundamentally different view of it by the parents that does it – because you can’t effectively co-parent if you can’t agree on the principles of parenting.
@t.fanty: I could see that. Angelina might have a no-substance rule when it comes to the kids and Brad was more like ‘it’s just weed’. If a sober alcoholic has very strict rules about her/his kids experimenting with drinking, the sip of a glass of wine could be too much. That could be a deal breaker.
Sometimes my bf has hash that was pressed into the form of chocolate. Maybe one of the younger kids has found something like that and wanted to eat it?
Even though I don’t care about Brad Pitt at all, I just can’t pictue him as a raging monster. But I’m sure Angelina has her reasons to divorce him and ask for sole physical custody
@minimi, if its true is using daily then then the kids getting hold of it may have been the last tipping point. Honestly, I wouldn’t put up with a man past 40 (unless it was for real medical reasons) that needs to smoke daily. Tells me he checked out and not well emotionally equipped to handle life. Also if he is using daily, that is an addiction to it.
WOOO-HOOOO!. Maybe now I stand a chance ? With HER, I mean.
*kisses T.Fanty and Sixer and goes drink a glass of wine*
P.S.: I must be the only Jolie fan who never liked seeing her with Pitt.
I don’t know if Angelina is the open marriage type at all – after all – she really really holds her father’s cheating ways against him still. So maybe if Brad did impregnate Cotillard she would go scorched earth as it brings back bad memories.
Well that’s three down: Jonny Lee Miller, Billy Bob Thornton and now Brad. Using the phrase that the divorce was for the health of the family is unusual. I think it needn’t have been made public. I feel sorry for the kids, though unlike in many divorces, the emotional pain won’t be added to by the pain of poverty.
Good for her on not requesting alimony. This will be interesting to watch. Mind still blown but this is life.
We can all speculate but we will never know what the trigger was to push to this decision. The good thing is I really believe that anjie will put the kids first through this and do what is best.
All we can do is sit back and speculate.
Why?! Why should she not ask for alimony? Wasser & these sorts of comments are creating an environment when any woman asks for support then it is ‘suspect’ and she must be a gold digger. I don’t care if they are super rich- deciding to take a thing that is very much typical and protects people during a divorce off the table in trade for public opinion is really concerning to me.
Yes, thank you for putting into words what has been making me uncomfortable about a lot of these comments. I hate that we seem to be in a place of condemning women asking for alimony or other divorce settlements as gold diggers. It’s not ok.
I don’t think anyone, woman or man, should receive alimony.
Are you joking? The entire concept of alimony is sexist as hell, dating from the Code of Hammurabi that the man would have to provide for the woman so she could raise the children. It has no place in today’s society, especially in a case like Pitt and Jolie, where neither party was prevented from working.
I think in this specific case it would have been inappropriate to request support. They are both incredibly wealthy individualy and their net worth is about equal. And from my understanding, they took turns sacrificing work opportunities. This is not an Affleck-Garner situation.
Amy, if a spouse sacrificed earning potential for the marriage, they should be compensated. Child bearing affects careers. Being the primary care giver affects careers. Being the principal home maker even when there are no kids, affects careers. Its not unreasonable to expect that after division of marital property, the party who benefited from these sacrifices should also provide support. No woman or man need be shamed for it.
Alimony is not sexist- what is sexist, imo, is assuming that a woman asking for that is a gold digger. Taking the extreme wealth of these two out of the equation and just talking about in general but alimony is not sexist. We live in a society which promotes the family unit and in that it is typical for one person’s earning potential to be diminished greatly by being the main caretaker for the family. We also don’t have universal childcare and other things that might help a parent to work more. The people I know (hetro and homo) who have children many times have one person who put their career on the back burner for a decade or more to be there for the kids. Right now it’s most often women.
In America, a woman’s standard of living dramatically decreases after divorce- with all our alimony & child support laws. The last stat I heard was a woman with children’s standard of living goes down 73%. From the people I know personally, that rings true.
We can talk about a utopian society but we live in reality now & it’s bleak for the average American mom who gets a divorce. We shouldn’t look down upon alimony and make it worse.
I don’t look down on people without kids asking for alimony either…
Maybe he was fall down drunk and had an incident/accident in front of the kids and frightened them? She seems very mama bear about whatever happened. She does not seem like the type to blow the marriage up in reaction to a fling.
An incident that affects the whole family could be a new sibling by another woman!
That’s exactly what I thought. These two aren’t divorcing because he’s a drunk that spanked the kids… Sorry. They could’ve dealt with that. They are always surrounded by nannies etc. I am now thinking he really did have an affair and it went way too far.
Exactly. She filed just a day after Marion Cotillard appeared in public with a belly.
I’m having trouble believing that as well, Lalu.
I’m still thinking infidelity. I hope I’m wrong but I keep coming back to that.
Yeah but Pitt isn’t the type to NOT care about that baby though. So at one point, that news will come out. But by then the divorce is over and his image will be in tatters. Still, Jolie does not want to become the Jilted Woman and be in a new triangle. They couldn’t escape the old one after more than a decade, this will ‘destroy’ her image just as well.
Also baby Marcel Canet looks a bit like the JP kids too so it would be hard to tell.
All speculation of course!
@Artemis, just googled Marion’s son and you’re right. He’s blonde even though his parents are both brunette. If Marion’s next child is blonde, I can see folks ignoring the facts, and claiming the blonde hair proves the child is Brad’s. Sort of like people ignore Natalie Portman’s redheaded father, and point out her red haired child could not be fathered by her husband. It’s my least favorite type of celebrity gossip.
That’s what I think it is. And he’s keeping silent so it’s not worse than it already is. I think he and Marion want to be together and THAT is what affects the entire family.
And everyone is talking about his failed marriages but this is number 3 for her.
I think if it wasn’t something to do with the kids and his behavior with them – then allowing that rumour to spread is incredibly shitty. If he cheated, then let that story spread, but putting out the story that leads to this kind of speculation that he hurt the children in some way is…. well it’s unforgivable and Jolie just seems a little classier than that.
If it’s a cheating story, then let that story spread. If he cheated once, he probably cheated lots. Tell people that.
(OTH, Maybe she wants public sympathy and thinks people will just say ‘Karma’ if he cheated on her. But there’s ways to spread that story and still emerge with plenty of sympathy.)
People are already saying Karma even though they don’t know for sure if he cheated or not. Some people who hate Angelina (mostly women projecting their issues onto her) have been waiting years for their relationship to implode.
Mostly I’m just irritated by the misuse of the work Karma which is something that happens to you in your next life. The applicable word here would be schadenfreude.
Or maybe it’s both? When a college friend went off the rails, there was cheating, booze and weed, lots of lying and manipulation, and anger issues, especially when called out for his behavior. And this was someone who had adored his wife (and kids) for 20 years, super successful, wide circle of friends. A midlife crisis can be a bear.
The karma stuff is nonsense. That being said, Pitt is still an actor and like many actors, he’s alone on set with very attractive actresses for months at a time, isolated from his family. I think it would be naïve to assume that he wouldn’t be susceptible to the same temptations that many actors before him have fallen prey to. Besides the fact that he did it once before (that we know of) and old habits die hard.
I Choose Me: Hear! Hear! The massive misuse of the word karma is maddening.
Karma is not reserved for future lifetimes and very often ripens to fruition within one’s current life. It is simply the natural law of cause and effect, for every action there is an equal but opposing reaction. It is not a matter requiring “belief” or “blind faith”, it is observable, quantifiable and real, whether we understand or even acknowledge it, is another matter entirely and a reflection of our personal base of knowledge. Christians promote this principle as well, we reap, what we sow….so do unto others, as you would have them do unto you. We are all driving the karma bus, our own….how I treat you, creates MY karmic destiny, how you react, creates your own….Karma is not vengeance or retribution, it’s simply justice….we get what we deserve….
Karma is not justice coming for you, it is about learning. Breaking free from old karma through new actions.
Lots of bad things happen to good people, as well as good things happening to bad people. Karma is what we wish would happen because we want the world to be fair and just. It’s not though. Some people’s actions don’t have the consequences we’d like them to have. Many people reap what they didn’t sow at all.
My mother spent my childhood torturing me. She spent the last six months of her life in screaming agony, dying from bone cancer. I think all the pain she inflicted on me came back to haunt her at the last of her life. I consider that Karma. My dad had exactly 2 conversations with me in the 15 years we shared a home. By the time he had grandchildren, he had suffered 2 strokes and was unable to walk or talk. I consider that Karma too, but the word justice works also. Their situations make me wonder what is in my future.
Never mind
I think he has done something fairly out of character while high or drunk or both and she called time. The M.C thing I think is not the issue, I think an affair (if there was one) is not something Jolie would stress about. Maybe he was just being chaotic and loud and scary while the kids were there or perhaps he raised a hand to her in front of the children….I can imagine her saying ‘right that’s it’ under those circumstances.
Did I dream this or when Brad adopted her first son was there a contract that if they split the Pitt would be removed from his name?
I’m sure I read that somewhere
You may have read it in a tabloid .I have never heard it.Also he adopted Maddox and Zahara at the same time so it would make no sense for his name to be removed from Maddox but not Zahara.
Uh, he’s still their father regardless of his relationship with their mother. Their relationship with him is separate from their relationship with their mother also.
Besides, all the kids are old enough to decide their names for themselves.
Ugh, either come out and say what the issue was, or just give a stock ‘we drifted apart’ answer and handle it privately. Courting speculation like this is really messed up. People are already suggesting Pitt might be a sexual predator, a wife-beater or child abuser, that he got another woman pregnant etc. and for all we know the ‘incident’ might be something extremely minor outside the confines of their personal relationship, like he promised to stop smoking pot and she caught him with a joint.
It’s a really dirty game to play when you have kids. If it’s that terrible, say it or don’t, but don’t go halfway. If it’s not something hideous, then letting people think it might be is vile.
Exactly. I really feel sorry for the kids the way she leaked things for her image. I get being mad, but he is her children’s father.
I agree. I read an interview with Wasser about how she likes to do things, especially when children are involved, and this seems to go against everything she said. This is a dirty way to begin a divorce and if she doesn’t have something serious against Brad AND it relates directly to the children, then I will be hugely disappointed.
This!
The way it is being handled is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Everyone is applauding her for being a Mama Bear but how does prompting more speculation help the kids?
Maybe Brad do something & if he did, good for her for putting herself first.
But what if he didn’t? Everyone is rushing to paint him in a bad light.
“If it’s not something hideous, then letting people think it might be is vile.”
Agreed. And for someone who seemed to prefer flying under the radar, this ominous public airing seems really out of character for Jolie.
It does seem very out of character for Jolie but it seems to be her lawyer’S MO to discredit her client’S spouse on the media, TMZ especially.
“Character” is the key word – her public persona is a character she plays, like any public person I guess. But day-um!
Well, this mama bear stuff has to stop, now. She’s calling them her children. I believe they’re his family, as well? As he made clear in the one dignified statement he put out asking for their privacy – in People. And she was the first to start with an underhanded smear campaign against their father – in TMZ, etc. Why not be above board about it instead of throwing every ugly accusation out at him and seeing what sticks?
Not well played at all, esp. for a UN humanitarian who seemingly cares for children, but unthinkingly puts hers in the spotlight and all that goes with it.
I completely agree with this. I obviously don’t want something terrible to have happened, especially if it involves the kids, but I won’t think much of Angelina if she doesn’t have a good reason for the way she’s filed this.
I feel the same way. Better to not have said anything, if it was so bad that she filed for divorce. Making public only half of the story isn’t good for the family either.
He’s their dad.
My husband and I have had our issues, but there is nothing I would do to prevent him from at least seeing his kids. They adore him, and it looks, in pics, like Brad’s kids adore him too.
I hope she can back this up :*
But she wants those speculations that put him on a defense and she can demand whatever she wants while looking like the innocent saint she wants to be seen.
Yes. And just to add, any of the stuff that would justify a “mama bear” response should really have been quietly reported to the authorities. If he is that hypothetical predator/kid batterer/drug pusher, she should report him to the authorities not the public. Again thats not to protect him, its to protect the kids she chose to have and raise with him.
I totally agree!
@Pepper,
Excellent summation on how I feel too! This may just be an attempt at winning a media war and, by extension, Brad’s agreement to Jolie’s preferred custody arrangement. This scorched earth policy is going to leave either Brad or Angelina looking very pathetic, or even both of them. This seems unnecessary. No one is perfect so a tit for tat media exchange would damage both of them and definitely their children. IDK, I think that Brad’s public response may either cement or shift the tone. I don’t think he wants the media war but, who knows, what he will do if push comes to shove over their children.
What if it is something that is damaging or hurtful to the child in question, that will be twisted and gloried in the gossip press for years? Could be she is putting this vague account on record as a warning to him – we both know what you did, it endangered our children, you will play this as I call it or else? Complete speculation. That version would seem odd though, as others mentioned, as nothing has been said about supervised visitation.
“If it’s not something hideous, then letting people think it might be is vile.”
I agree. It may very well be something awful, but if it isn’t, then this is too aggressive.
Yes, but it was all caused by how Angelina’s lawyer worded the divorce document, meaning, they did it on purpose so they could create this mess.
It was a really low thing to do if Brad is innocent. And even if he slept with another woman and got her pregnant, you still protect his image for the sake of your children.
I agree with you 100%, too. If it’s truly something criminal, then be upfront or even go ahead and prosecute him: if the worst case scenario is true and Brad is a pedophile (which I don’t say is the case), then divorcing him is not enough. If anyone can come after him and shut him down, it’s Angelina, and if it’s true, then her kids are not the only victims!
If it’s not criminal, but personal, then why this circus?
She’s not exactly conducting this privately, whatever her manager is saying, and those kids are going to be pap magnets now even more than they already are. I can only imagine that this ‘incident’ was pretty shocking because this mess really goes against their carefully constructed images.
Maybe the “incident” didn´t happen in privacy?
If it didn’t, surely somebody would’ve let slip what it was by now!
@Bex. Thats how I know Lainey is full of it. She claims to have multiple insiders who guarantee it was not cheating and assure her they know what it was but NONE of them will say.
@Naya
Her sources are clearly with People or US magazine (or both). A lot of times her ‘scoops’ are revealed in one of those magazines like the time she ‘knew’ Shiloh was going to be born in Namibia or the divorce of Arnett and Poehler.
People like the Pitts have a tight tight circle and only leak when they want to so by the time it’s leaked to a magazine, it’s not exclusive anymore. Any gossip that Lainey has that’s imminent will appear in US or People less than a week after her ‘exclusive’. This is why her sources are vague and why she’s echoing the SAME thing as the other outlets.
I don’t see how either of them can be blamed for that. TMZ hunted down the divorce papers. They do this every single day – they stalk the California courts for paperwork filed by celebrities. Due to the public information act, they are allowed to do this. Neither Brad nor Angelina issued a public statement or gave interviews about anything. Brad responded after TMZ posted the divorce filing on their website.
Can you imagine have your divorce paper work posted on the internet? I would be so angry.
A few months ago there was an interview with Laura Wasser, Angelina’s high powered lawyer. She knows exactly how these things work: she knows that filing in places like Santa Barbara is better than filing in LA because of leaks and she often uses TMZ as a smear machine, as we have seen when she was representing Johnny Depp in his ugly divorce.
Clearly Angelina and her lawyer planned this perfectly to get maximum exposure, even if it’s so out of character for her.
Nope. I don’t buy it. She has been through a high profile divorce and was a witness to Brad’s. Her lawyer has handled tons of high profile divorces. She doesn’t get to act brand new. She knew the day she filed the news would break. She did it on Tuesday for a reason.
You have no expectation of privacy in public court filings. Courts need to be an open system.
Didn’t California used to have something in place that allowed celebrities to hide these documents? I seem to remember secret marriage licenses being issued.
Did some of the kids OD on BP’s weed? Did BP throw a wine bottle at someone out of anger? Did BP pass out from substance abuse and the kids set the house on fire? WHAT IS THIS INCIDENT omg dying of suspense
How do you OD on weed, exactly?
Happens a lot on edibles. A coworker of mine had to be hospitalized after too many pot brownies… liver shut down. There have been a lot of similar hospitalizations here in CO since legalization. But smoking to OD would be quite a feat.
I get that you enjoy it, Kitten. That doesn’t mean it is harmless to everyone, children especially. When a child ingests it, depending upon the form and amount, it can require hospitalization. While it might not qualify in your mind as an “overdose”, MJ isn’t harmless to everyone.
@Kitten
I don’t think it’s possible to OD on weed, unless it’s someone who got stoned and took painkillers believing they’re candies….
I meant it as a joke….
You can’t actually OD on weed, but I have seen people get completely cracked out on edibles because they didn’t know their dosage. However, actually ODing and feeling like you are ODing are usually separate things.
However, it takes a dog 3grams per pound for it to be lethal. I would expect children would have the same affect. Edibles are much more tricky than bud with dosages.
Can’t OD but it can make you “sick” not feel well if you consume too much, especially if it was younger smaller person that doesn’t know their limit. It usually gives me a pounding headache, I’m pretty sensitive to it. So you can have reaction even if it’s not dangerous, just like with all drugs.
Ok yeah I can see how a child could consume too many edibles. Would that be potentially fatal though?
That actually wouldn’t an unbelievable theory-that the kids got into his edibles.
Every time someone comes out with a new theory I’m like “hmmmm yeah it could be that too.”
lol…crazy gossip!
@ Kitten:
Last year I was practically forced to try pot. I smoked and felt NOTHING!!! Maybe my (heavy, expensive, legal) medication interfered, but I didn’t relax…didn’t see any unicorns…
The only thing I thought was: “I’m gonna break Original Kitten’s heart (by saying I hated pot)”. Sorry Kitten, but it’s not for me.
P.S.: Tried the chocolate brownies, too (mostly for the chocolate). It was like getting drunk. Threw up semi-digested food (I have the picture, by the way) and remember nothing of the mess my roomates told me I did.
@Kitten what proves to be fatal for dogs (which is my only point of reference here) is choking on vomit because of the inebriation.
Too much of such an herb could be a problem for various reasons. It could overload the liver, although I don’t know the pathways for weed so I don’t know if that would be a problem. I know kitties have relatively inefficient livers for such things and so you shouldn’t treat them with medicinal herbs unless you are sure the dose is safe specifically for cats.
My uncle had grand mal epileptic seizures and said a description he read of an extreme marijuana high sounded just like one of his seizures. I assume that meant a lot of weed was smoked or ingested and the person got very high.
It is a psychotropic drug so you have to consider the effects and clearance rate when figuring a safe dose. Children would have a lower safe dose because of their size, other things may come into play with adolescents because of the brain development going on. And individuals may have different sensitivities also. We don’t all have the same clearance rate and the exact same enzymes involved in breakdown of certain drugs – a small mutation might render the enzyme inefficient or useless. This is especially a problem with anesthesia since it can’t be predicted very well, although they look at family and personal history for clues. We lose fewer people in surgery to overdose of anesthetic now because they’ve developed some ways to continuously test depth of anesthesia so it’s better monitored and adjusted. Still quite risky. They usually aren’t as careful with cats and dogs so I worry about the spaying operation in particular and don’t allow such procedures as teeth cleaning that usually require anesthesia but are not absolutely necessary. Any time they go under, they might not come out. One cat who needed multiple surgeries just barely survived her last one after sailing through the earlier ones. The vet said that we couldn’t put her under again. They had to resuscitate her. I imagine she might have had an allergic reaction after previous exposure, but don’t know for sure. They sent us home with a rescue dose of a drug in a syringe to stick into her if she had another bad reaction later. She was fine after a day and recovered normally after that, but you can imagine I didn’t get much sleep…
I still think no cheating was involved and it has to do with Brad’s smoking and drinking.
If that is the case and this is the shock treatment to get him to quit then they might get back together. Who knows?
She’s asked for sole physical custody and claimed the children aren’t safe with him. I’m not sure people are grasping what a huge step that is right out of the gate. Unless something really major has happened, generally you come in much softer even if sole custody is your eventual goal.
Either she has something on him that would ensure she’d never go back, or she just really hates him and is trying to alienate him from his kids. Either way, I don’t know how you come back from that.
+1,000
Yeh… These two won’t be getting back together after this. There is a way to do things amicably and that isn’t what’s going on here.
I think Jolie is overestimating the good will people have toward her. Everyone is seeing thru this. I have always liked her more than him… But now? If he didn’t do something absolutely horrible that really endangered those children, she will have completely ruined everything she has worked toward.
But if the children aren’t safe with him, then why give visitation. If you are going to give visitation and there is a danger then it would be supervised visitation. The theory I have about the physical custody has to do more with their life styles of constantly being on the move and working it out would probably be difficult.
Lalu, if she knows anything about her image, she knows very few people have good will towards her. Die-hard fans, sure, but she isn’t the darling of the general public by a long stretch.
There are smarter ways to force a coming to Jesus moment. Theres no coming back from this ledge. You know that never getting back together song by Taylor, the annoying one about Gyllenhaal? Yeah, thats where Brange is.
Maya, give it up. It’s over! Jolie was seen meeting with Wasser last spring. Jolie is a control freak and Brad isn’t behaving like her lapdog anymore. She does have a rampaging ego. Her career is failing and his is moving forward. They have six kids together and she is now just deciding she doesn’t like his parenting style?? She does this for the health of the family? They were for the most part a BRAND and you along with many others bought it hook line and sinker.
She wants privacy, but she’s issuing loaded statements through her attorney. Oh, please Lady. Drama Train now boarding for Smear Campaign Station.
Purely a guess, but it sounds like something happened where the kids were in danger or didn’t feel safe. That’s the only thing I can think of that was so out of the blue and quick.
Totally agree she is not keeping this private. These poor kids are going to be under siege from the paparazzi for quite some time I think.
I don’t know, is that divorce worthy? If Brad really has a problem and somehow put the kids in danger (which I’m not sure I believe), wouldn’t a committed spouse at least try to help her partner get help first instead of just filing for divorce? That scenario doesn’t quite add up for me.
I just have a hard time believing it was really about the kids. These people aren’t like us “regulars”. They have nannies etc. I doubt they are all alone with their parents that often. I think he cheated and we are all about to find out for sure. That damages the true love of their brand. And she is pissed.
I don’t understand the comments saying they don’t think she would care about an affair. She strikes me as someone that would never put up with him sleeping with another woman.
Well….it could be a pattern of behavior and the “incident” is just the latest, worst manifestation of it. So, it could be that she’s been begging him to get help, and he’s refused, or hemmed and hawed, and then something happened that was so out of control she just couldn’t take it anymore. It seems a little heartless, but if you have so many kids watching their father be out of control (I’m imagining substance/alcohol abuse issues), you definitely can reach a point where you just have to leave. That seems likely (even if I have no idea what could have caused them to break up).
Esmom and Lalu. Thats right. This isnt a case of having to leave your kids alone with their meth addict dad while you go work. Its not hard to insulate those kids with lots of staff while they quietly negotiate divorce and custody. I have heard consistently that she is possessive and a bit controling and I think an affair, especially an emotional one, would send her over the edge.
If children are in danger or feel unsafe because of their own father, why wouldn’t that be a reason for a divorce?
I’m with Boxy Lady, but it would likely be something that has happened frequently or over a long period of time, and then escalated to the point of no return. Like the pot smoking turned into a rampant coke or alcohol addiction, and Brad became a nasty, abusive drunk…not saying he is. Just an example.
I just don’t see infidelity being the deal breaker here, unless the kids caught him in bed. Who knows what people are like behind closed doors, but this would be the most surprising reason for me. I would think that she would want to keep infidelity out of the conversation, considering how their own relationship started. No one would have much sympathy for her if he cheated…but if he put the kids in danger somehow? That’s another game entirely.
Maybe it’s just my perception of her, but I see her being fiercely protective of her kids. She is almost always with them and from accounts of people I know who’ve worked with her, she is very hands on and a great mom. She may have nannies, but I doubt they are raising her kids for her, so I don’t really see how that would make a difference here.
In any case, I really truly hope it had nothing at all to do with the kids. They live in enough of a fishbowl already.
I’m thinking it could have been building and becoming an issue and then something pushed it over the line. But who knows.
What happened?!?! I need to know!
But seriously, I’m surprised at the split, but shocked that it’s getting ugly.
She’s going for full custody. That’s hard to do in most states, and she has a fine line to walk between proving her case and avoiding appearances of parental alienation. “Irreconcilable differences” isn’t going to cut it.
Agreed. Won’t happen in California, unless it’s really really bad. And maybe not even then.
If she doesn’t have a publicist, I wonder if the lawyers gave all the pointers tip to the US Weekly – on her instruction.
In addition to Wasser who has had TMZ on speed dial for years, she also has her “entertainment lawyer” feeding stories. Entertainment lawyers spend a lot of time quashing impending stories and the like, they tend to have great media connections.
I am still in shock.. and very sad.. I wish this was not happening. Still a huge fan of them both..and hope that they can come together for their children and remember that they cared deeply for each other. I just can’t read more about this now..
Well if the divorce does goes through, on top of feeling sorry for these children, I feel
for Brad’s parents. They will prob only get to Skype/FaceTime or however you interact over long distances these days with their grands from here on out. Granted, that’s not so unusual these days, but most GPs at least will have the chance to physically visit their GCs. Doubt if that’ll be the case here, unless Brad handles it- and he should.
Sorry but wouldn’t they get to contact them through Skype/Facetime all the time already?
They don’t live in the same US state and usually they are not even in the same country….
I’ve been reading TMZ, and I’m growing ever more resentful of how Angelina is handling this. Is he a danger to the children? A criminal? Out him. If not, then the guessing game and throwing this in the front and center of publicity really does seem to be motivated by absolutely and utterly discrediting the father and gaining the upper hand.
Like I said yesterday, I’m a child of divorced parents, and yes, my da cheated too. Not the end of the world. So unless he mistreated, abused his children, then good for Brad for fighting for equal physical custody.
It’s going to get so ugly, and yet I can’t look away.
As a child of divorced parents, I agree with you. This whole thing seems like it was an impulse decision by Angelina and wasn’t thought through.
THIS. If there was a crime bring in the police and make it public, if not, protect the kids and solve things privately. This strategy of smearing Brad’s character as a parent is awful for the kids. I’m totally side eyeing her for this.
Completely agree Shijel.
I have always defended Angelina but what she’s doing is really unfair towards the father of her children.
The only thing that would make a woman file for divorce straight off the bat IMO is sexual abuse or physical abuse so severe that one cannot forgive it.
If he was drunk or high, and drove with the kids in the car that might do it for me, particilarly if his use of weed, drugs or booze was already an issue in the marriage. What if it really scared the kids.
I totally agree Snowpea, the only thing I can think of that warrants the gloves off approach she’s taking is sexual and/or some type of physical abuse. Some way that Brad placed her kids in danger.
I wonder if she had asked Brad not to bring someone in particular around her kids, he disobeyed her request and something violating happened or was attempted ? Maybe Brad wasn’t the violater but he knowingly placed his children in the path of someone who is known to be ?
I don’t think this is a case of a woman scorned by cheating, i don’t get the sense that she would blow things up so dramatically & include her children in the gossip speculation to get back at Brad for cheating.
No way.
Seems like he was wasted & put the kids in harms way or did harm to them & I agree that this was probably a bigger problematic pattern and something major happened that caused her to break.
It also seems to me like this is something she’s planning to bring public awareness to as well as use to get what she wants from this divorce in terms of custody….to insinuate what she is it must be huge & I don’t think she would invite so much public speculation onto Brad and the kids unless hugely warranted and something she’s intending to use as some kind of platform.
She must see it as hugely defensible and willing to add it to her public image in terms of what she stands for and won’t stand for.
She’s knowingly inviting speculation onto Brad and her kids with her carefully crafted statement , there must be a reason & in her mind a justification.
She’s too conscious of her image to do something so exposing without really good reason & a plan to discuss it at some point. If she wanted to handle this privately she would have issued a typically vague & Hollywood statement with nice words about Brad & dealt with any ugliness in private.
Ugh this is already so ugly & gonna get uglier…
But if that was true why not involve the police? I mean, she is not being private at all, what she shared just opens speculation. And if it was that serious why even allow visitations?
If a crime was committed then she should be taking legal action against it, not using her lawyer to create speculation.
Peas growing softly in the Snow.
Ding, ding, ding, ding.
The obvious dirty Angie is employing to me confirms that she either
A) has serious dirt and is being vague as a way to get Brad to pony up full custody in exchange for silence….
Or
B) she done lost her mind out of anger towards him cheating and is vilifying him out of revenge.
I don’t think B is the answer simply because I think Angie is too in control of her image to explode their perfect family life for mere revenge.
But, there’s always C) Angie done got batshit crazy again. If so, we can look forward to even more mess.
I think it is C) batshit crazy
I think she has this idea she is going to be some new Political version of Mother Theresa and she can only accomplish this if she moves to England and gets involved with British politics with her friend Arminka Helic.
Replied to your comment below, moving to England means nothing in the political field. Non-British people cannot even vote for Parliament elections in UK……..
Getting involved in British politics would be a major step down from what she’s currently doing. Taking on international matters vs. taking on local matters. It would also complicate her UN work.
She was using Britain as a base for some of her international politics/law work, but with Brexit Britain soon won’t be the place for that (another reason entering British politics anytime soon would be a very strange move).
@SilverUnicorn
I’m sure she can get her British citizenship stat if she wants to.
Not sure it’s credible she would want to get involved in the actual political process (legislature, etc) in Britland.
However, what is true is that there is a nexus here of highly connected elite individuals who cross-polinate the international human rights sphere, the international NGOs, and one of our main political parties. When a senior political advisor to the Labour Party moves on, for example, you can guarantee they will pop up with a high profile job at an NGO or within human rights.
She could probably build on her UN work quite easily here, if that’s what she wants. But I don’t see why she couldn’t do the same thing stateside.
B, it’s easy to lose control when anger takes over.
Yes, when you’re a regular person, but not when you’re a public figure. I’m sure she has already learned that there are long consequences for everything she does. She has nannies, assistants, PR team, lawyers to talk her down, ask her to wait, to hone her message, etc. Most people, when confronted with a drunk/cheating husband, do not have so many people around, nor do they always have the means of getting out of the house, staying elsewhere for an extensive period of time, having others take care of their family while they think this through, etc. She did have all these options.
Angelina is playing this dirty and it really is making me think less of her. Unless Brad did something dangerous/ abusive letting speculations run rife about what he may or may not have done is awful. Especially for the kids.
I do like her but she does strike me and incrediblly manipulative when it comes to the media.
I agree. Putting it out there this way, insinuating something dark while retaining plausible deniability (“who, me?”) that’s what she’s doing – slick. She’s threatening to burn him down to the ground – his only choice really is to do whatever she wants if he wants to keep this breakup quiet. Honestly, as I said yesterday, she’s a bit a drama queen.
If he did something horrible then police should be involved, no? If it’s not that sort of thing then why not solve things in private and protect the kids, instead of dishing of their father? Even if he cheated, kids should come first and they have 6! And you can’t say that something serious happened and then not say exactly what went down unless you really want to harm the other person, which also won’t be fair to the kids.
If it’s “just” different views on how to raise kids and lifestyle, there’s no reason to be public about because, well, KIDS. My point is that unless there was something criminal that should bring the police’s attention I see no valid reason to be public about any of this and dishing on Brad making him look bad. Media manipulation feels self serving and selfish.
I wonder if it’s related to motorcycles – he loves them and we’ve seen the kids on ATVs. Maybe he rode with one of them while drunk, or even let one of them try riding alone on their property.
That would terrify a mother extremely. Much more than weed, which they’re likely to try someday anyway.
I think it could be some version of this.
but how is divorcing going to stop that? They can just ride motorcycles when they visit!
OT but what is Angelina’s fascination with the House of Lords? I’ve been seeing stories about how she wants to run for the House of Lords and I guess I don’t get why an American is so set on being a part of British politics. There has been a lot of talk about how she wants to become this big time politician in England and that Brad is not supportive of that. She’s mainly concerned about how he doesn’t fit in with or support her plan, and hence the scorched earth campaign against him.
Non-British people cannot run for political office in UK, at any level, even as a councillor in a little town.
And unless I misread, I don’t think Jolie is a British citizen.
Apparently you only have to be a tax paying resident to run. Here is a quote from Fortune magazine in May 2016:
So, what would a full-time governmental role look like for Jolie—who has previously said that she would consider a career in politics “if [she] thought [she] could make a difference?” The Telegraph has speculated that she may be making a play for her own seat in the House of Lords, noting that members of the body do not need to be citizens, as long as they are “resident in UK for tax purposes and accept the requirement to remain so.”
i’m guessing Brad did something that prevented her from getting to London and establishing tax residence and that is what set her bonkers.
But from the stories I have read, she wants to move to England and become a citizen. If she does, will she be able to run for office? Just wanting to know.
@someone
I’ve been living in UK for years and I CAN guarantee you that being a resident means you’re not even entitled to vote in GE… let alone holding a public office!
That article is completely made up.
From wiki: “Furthermore, only citizens of the United Kingdom, Commonwealth citizens, and citizens of Ireland may sit in the House of Lords. The nationality restrictions were previously more stringent: under the Act of Settlement 1701, and prior to the British Nationality Act 1948, only natural-born subjects were qualified.”
@swak
It takes 5 years of residence to become a British citizen (without being absent for long periods, which I think would put Angie off the list straightaway).
As a naturalised Briton she would be entitled to enter an office but… after how many years? And why?
I mean, anyone in British politics now wants to get out of it, not the opposite!
The few in the ‘game’ are getting so much slack for Brexit that before everything gets back to normal a few decades will pass….
I cannot imagine any famous person wanting to move to the UK, given the tabloids and paps. It would make more sense for her to want to live somewhere like Switzerland as a home base. Continue her humanitarian work as a powerful outsider somewhere with strict photography privacy laws.
She’s completely deluded even if this was possible. She wouldn’t survive a single day.
This is just crazy.
Wasn’t there a rumor a couple of months ago, that the Garner/Affleck separation would just be the beginning of some high profile cases coming? I think we were talking about this and maybe some even mentioned Brad and Angelina.
As was the case with Amber Heard. Overwhelming female commentators this site and others immediately jumped in to vilify women.
Just said the same. It’s depressing. Women really are other women’s worst enemy.
Awful, isn’t it?
I was thinking the exact same thing. Why not give everyone the benefit of the doubt until all info has come out? She must have her reasons
This has nothing to do with her being a woman. It has everything to do with how she is handling her divorce.
But until there is confirmation of what went down…how she’s handling this is relative to the reason for divorce. I’m not the biggest AJ fan but I think we should give her the benefit of the doubt. For now.
Just speaking from my own perspective as a divorced woman who supported Heard here and deplores Wasser’s tactics, when I first tried avoiding an ugly divorce, I suggested a mediator. My husband turned that offer down immediately, and he ended up paying for it. He made it as ugly as possible and he dragged it out for years. It was not pleasant. To say the least.
I don’t even think I can write about this story anymore, since there are children involved, but I can say I hired a lawyer (Do I need to mention he was male? Does it matter?) who was the opposite of Wasser, one who wanted the least emotionally damaging effects happening to me, as well as getting a reasonable settlement. Well, my ex lost so much money, the judge chose to give me more than my attorney even asked for, but it definitely still hurt me emotionally. I wish my ex had just settled early on.
With so many close friends being children of divorce, or who are going through divorces with children, I feel that hiring Wasser was perhaps not the best choice for a calm environment for the family. But I don’t know anything about this really, except that perhaps a mediator, no matter the circumstances, might have been a good choice. Unless, an order of protection or something similar was needed. One hasn’t been filed yet, though. I don’t know, I’m staying out of this from now on. I hope they keep the children’s interests at heart. Pitt appears to be doing so. Jolie followed him later on. I’m not sure who’s advising her, but there appears to be mixed messages going on there.
Right! We don’t know ANYTHING, it’s all speculation so let’s spread the hatred equally across the spouses.
As an aside, what is it about Brad Pitt that he ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt? The one person that came out of the AJ/JA/BP fiasco with little to no hatred was the one that in my mind, was the most culpable: Brad.
I cant speak for everyone but I know that myself and a few others here defended Amber many times over the years – you can check that first divorce post if in doubt. My problem with Angie is that she has kids and is still chosing to handle this by way of media war. Its wrong. I will say the same thing if Brad does something similar.
Thank you Naya! That’s exactly how I’ve been feeling about this whole thing as well. It’s looking like it’s going to be a long, dragged out fight. With Wasser involved I can’t see it being anything else.
I don’t know, as others have already said, Brad has been labeled a pedophile, abuser, drunk driver, cheater, and unfit parent hundreds of times since yesterday.
Yeeeeeeeep.
Isn’t it sad?
We don’t know anything. We watched the whole Depp-Heard thing play out in a similar fashion and yet the nasty speculation and name-calling continues.
We should at least wait to see how it plays out. It’s only been a day.
Also, the whole custody thing is driving me bonkers. Custody hasn’t been decided yet.
The more I read about this, the more I’m reminded of the Charlize/Sean Penn break up. That was also an abrupt end mixed with hints and shade.
Or Charlie Sheen / Denise Richards. Many attacked her at the beginning. Years later, more people understand where she was coming from.
I just feel the impulse to stick up for my girl Angie here:
She’s a great humanitarian. She’s an asset to the UN and to refugees all over the world, and she does a huge amount of good with her position in the public eye.
I don’t know what went down. But I don’t agree with any of the “she crazy” or “spiteful, angry woman” assessments. She’s an amazing person and I’m waiting to hear what really happened. I would be very surprised if she is just being an angry drama queen. She spends much of her free time involved in the lives of people in this world who literally are the most unfortunate on the planet. I think she has some perspective on what’s important in life.
+1
Yes, this has me wondering too. That work seems so important to her, I’m surprised she would jeopardize her reputation as a serious humanitarian by getting caught up in this tabloid mess.
Jolie can be a humanitarian and be angry and spiteful as well. There are many layers of a person good and bad. Nobody is one thing all the time.
This. I realise “St Angie” is a jokey thing, but there’s not reason why she can’t be a great humanitarian, and still spiteful, angry and completely bitchy sometimes
This is true. Angie’s humanitarian work is so notable it creates a halo effect. I still think she would put her kids first because being a mother seems to be so important to her. She probably really believes what she is doing is best for the kids (whether it is or isn’t)
Tell them again.
I don’t know. There are plenty of people who did great things for the world but who also turned out to be either horrible in their personal lives, or crazy.
Not saying that’s the case – but I wouldn’t automatically write it off as being impossible just because of the humanitarian efforts.
Surprised at all the angry scorned woman comments. I reminds me of the golddigger comments labelled at Amber heard when she filed for divorce from depp. Women would rather believe other women are devious cunning witches than that a man may actually be flawed
Yeah, I think the genesis of the “hell hath no fury…” adage was to vilify any woman who stood up for herself in a society in which they were chattel and had little recourse to justice. The law supported men’s claim to dignity … and where they felt slighted you can bet their fury contained (contains) hellfire.
I’ll be here for the 6 o’clock show. Lecture me on patriarchy and entrenched misogyny.
I’m still shocked over this and don’t know what to think! Surely by now they’ve settled into their parenting styles, I can’t imagine anything so severe there that she would up and file over, maybe he did cheat. Honestly I can see her having a drug problem more than him, I’ve thought for years she looks so sickly and gaunt, and not just dealing with her surgeries kind of sick, anorexic or addict type sick. Who knows. I feel bad for the kids, hopefully they’ll contain themselves in the media for their sake.
I agree with you Jess… she hasn’t looked healthy or vibrant for years & the look does mimic what you named..Not even sure it’s a case of one or the other , they both may have addiction issues.
.Maybe the extremeness of her action and inviting speculation is to deflect off of what he knows about her & she’s afraid he will throw to the press or courts if she doesn’t come out swinging first ??
This whole thing could go any way in terms of what the truth is. She could have avoided a lot of this had she worded & handled things differently in her reveal…makes me think it was purposeful.
I really believe Angelina when she said it has something to do with weed, alcohol and aggression. I always admire Angelina because I believe she is truthful. I never forget years ago She told us about her health issues. No one knew until she told us by writing an op Ed in the New York Times. I just believe she was trying to get him to clean up and he was resistance and something happened and she just had it with him and went to her lawyer.
Anyone noticed that they were not seemed together most of this year. I just thought the kids were getting bigger and needed most of her time at home. She did mentioned that she was going to step back from acting to spend time with the kids.
If Brad loves his family, he wanted this big family he should swallow his pride and do whatever is. needed to keep his family together. Brad is getting older and I know he can get almost any woman he wants, but his family should be his top priority and try to keep them together. I was reading Lainey yesterday she was saying Angelina is still in love with him and I bet he still loves her and his children. I hope they take some time to think this through. Family first if no physical or psychological abuse. I’m a fan but I also know that’s their life and I have no idea what went wrong but I hope it can be fixed because they are tied together for life.
I would be suprised if they think it through (meaning Angelina is calling the divorce off). I think she thought about it for quite some time and something happened that was enough reason for her to end the marriage. Angelina comes across as a no-nonsense woman – even if she still loves Brad, it wouldn’t change her opinion on the divorce.
I think it’s much more likely that they’ll divorce then carry on an affair in the future. It’s the same thing that happened with Johnny Lee Miller. Maybe they shouldn’t have married in the first place.
Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor divorced and remarried (and divorced again, but I always thought they were the lives of each other’s lives). Brangelina truthers can draw comfort from history….
Liz and Richard were one of the most toxic relationships on record. Alcoholism, jealous rages, emotional abuse and even physical abuse from both sides. This is not a GOAT coupling, its a cautionary tale. Thank God they never had kids.
The Burtons had (adopted) a daughter, Maria.
I don’t want to believe that she’s just being petty over something like infidelity. It does make me think that something much more serious went on. Even if it directly involve the kids (like him being abusive to her)or him getting caught looking at kiddie porn or something. I mean both would be awful, and I hope they aren’t true but like I said, I hope she isn’t just being petty over a cheating scandal. *Shrugs*.
Angelina Jolie is a master when it comes to the press. She makes Jennifer Garner look like a complete novice. Brad Pitt better get his big boy pants on…
She’s smart and articulate, he’s a moron. If she ultimately drives the narrative, he can start shopping for a coffin.
I have never understood why Angelina gets vilified for managing her own press and image. Isn’t that what publicists do for their clients in Hollywood? Why does the narrative change to “manipulative and cunning” when it comes to her?!
@ Zut alors!:
I never said she was “manipulative and cunning”. I have always said she’s a master when it comes to managing her public persona and admired her for that (e.g.: never responding to Chelsea Handler’s attacks, simply ignoring that bitch was a fantastic move).
If I ever said she was “manipulative and cunning”, believe me, it was meant as a compliment.
@ Eve.
I was actually agreeing with you. I applaud Angelina’s ability to speak for herself. I just hate that it’s treated with so much disdain and chucked down to get being “malicious and cunning’. Like you, I am a fan and never thought being with Pitt was a good idea.
She is one woman I just simply would not want to mess with, she seems to get what she wants. Period. She is all business. He better just ask for forgiveness, open his wallet and STFU.
I feel for MC being pregnant and having to deal with this sh*t fest.
Especially if she’s innocent, and even if she’s not.
This article made me feel better. If Angelina is at peace with it and knows she made the right decision for her family, then I’m glad for her, even though it must be painful. This is a woman who didn’t hesitate to sacrifice parts of her body to make sure she could be there for her family. She can make hard decisions. I still hope they can find their way back together, but I’m glad she’s at peace. I hope ultimately they’ll find the best arrangement for all eight of them, whatever it looks like.
If nothing else, I guess I figured out which half of Brangelina I’m really a fan of!
I’m a mom, and I have experienced a lot in my life – I have 2 sons. I also have a romantic partner who is male. He is the biological dad of my youngest son and the dad by choice of my eldest son. He is a great person. Most often, he makes well informed decisions, based on our family and what is best for all.
HOWEVER – if something totally shitty occurred, an horrific ‘incident’ went down, I would have to consider the best interests of my children and
whole family health and welfare. Especially if that incident happened in such a way that the children had knowledge of the event – like, it went down to/around/near the kids – and they conveyed that to the other parent – or yes, brutal fights in the household between parents, I would consider making a change for the benefit of my children.
As a mom, a parent, shoot, even a person, SH-T happens. When it does, you have to make choices. Often, all of the options suck – no one is perfect, and bad things occur. I love my man, but never, ever, more than my children. Wrong or right, that is how I am wired, and if something happened, like – if in a drunken stupor he fronted off, tried to provoke, hit our teenager -he’d get his walking papers so fast his head would spin right off.
Not saying any of that could/would/did happen, just that no one is perfect, not even Brad Pitt.
I think she is going scorched Earth to get full custody to take the kids to live in Europe. it sounds as though BP still wants the Hollywood life and maybe he was unwilling to move the kids out of the US full time. I don’t know – I just think there has to be more here besides an “incident”.
I love (not really) all the people trying to turn this around to make Angie the addict/bad person/etc. Johnny Depp/Ryan Lochte anyone?
Anger issues rooted in substance abuse is one of the most common stories in the world and makes for a very unhealthy home life.
Here’s my take:
Brad threw the gauntlet down and demanded that Angelina go to rehab to deal with her addictions and ED.
Angie refused, decided on divorce and cooked up some smokescreen about “the health of the family.”
Oh please if she has a drug problem then that would be the first thing Brad used so that’s baloney.
Not saying I agree with Tripple Cardinal but Brad is playing it clean. I can’t remember if this is from US or DM but his “sources” are under strict instruction not to bad mouth her. After ten plus years, I’m sure he would have some ammo or at least be able to exploit negative public perceptions about her. He hasnt.
Interesting. INTERESTING.
That’s ridiculous. Stress can cause weight loss, I lost a huge amount of weight going through a nasty break-up and divorce, including several years prior to actually leaving. Furthermore, she wouldn’t be able to do the amount of humanitarian work she does if she’s half stoned all the time. She’s a mama bear for her children and Brad has clearly been skating on thin ice for a while if you are to believe a TON of blind items. He’s always been a stoner, boozer, guy’s guy and I think things with Brad got out of control, not vice-versa. She’s clearly drawn a line in the sand since they became parents and he’s apparently crossed it many times. He’s looked rough, bloated and burned out during a number of periods during the past years – I think she simply had enough after a “culminating incident” and ended it for the kids’ sake.
Some people are naturally thin, and some of people eschew eating when something is on their mind.
I’ve been accused of being a druggie when I really have an immunodeficiency.
I can drop weight quickly, and I’m naturally thin to start with.
Plus, I have nervous energy and a creative side.
I was kicked out of my first college with no proof whatsoever that I was doing drugs, because I didn’t. I really was kicked out for being too thin, and the gossip of my peers. For some reason, AJ is a thin person.
Just because a person is thin, it doesn’t mean they are evil, or even a junkie.
I like AJ. I praise her humanitarian work, her reinvention, etc. I think she’s smart woman who knows how to work the press and the narrative, and now she wants to destroy him. Full take down. So whatever he had done (we may never know) really enraged her. As I said it before, I’m more inclined to believe in Russian hookers or banchelors ways ala Leo Di Caprio. She’s truly pissed off. They could have gone Gwyneth Paltrow route but she chose the Taylor Swift one.
She went so public from the start. Really confusing, considering she seems so “above it all” and private. Very interesting stance. I’m not stirring the pot, but how legit are the rumors she is a heroin user?
This is about her. Her perceptions, believes, feelings. She is tired of her ‘fantasy perfect’ family and is ready to start a new chapter in live without Brad. She resents him, resents time spent outside the family, resent his sleeping with a women like MC, resents anything in Brads life that is not her. Those children are ‘hers’ she is not sharing, she is not playing nice. Poor Brad! This must be like a truck hit him to be so betrayed. I don’t think anything happened other then this, she is done with him. Remember it’s all about her.
“She resents him, resents time spent outside the family, resent his sleeping with a women like MC”
In fairness I thing many women would resent their husband sleeping with other women and not spending time with the family.
True but most of those women wouldn’t put out statements that invite the vilest speculation about the father of their kids.
Poor little 52 year old man…
I wish there was some clarity on what it is he’s supposed to have done. There’s something really off about leaving him open to so much unpleasant speculation.
i agree. maybe he’s 100% in the wrong for what happened in their relationship but WHY did she drop these negative/suggestive bombs to TMZ on tuesday morning for maximum impact?! she created rampant speculation about her children having a dangerous father. WHY!?! also it’s sort of funny how she’s asking for privacy through her reps after ensuring no privacy will be had.
I agree Guesto. Both of them always seemed to be good parents.
Bet Pitt is seeing the pitfalls of his fame. So much speculation and conclusions drawn over a vague sentence ‘health of the family’.
I really hope its not cheating, he doesnt seem the type and imagine how devastating it would be for a wife who underwent mastectomy to have her man then cheat on her if that is the case.
What if it really is about the ‘health’ of the family. Sometimes couples argue and fight so much that the whole atmosphere becomes negative. My parents love each other but they argued so much that it was frightening being in the same room as them not knowing when one would be ticked off by something as simple as ‘pass me the paper’. They were absolutely loving, giving and hands-on parents to us. (I am not American, so a bit of Italian shouting was not child abuse 🙂 ) I love my parents but I wish they could also have taken a break to sort out whatever it was that made them argue so endlessly that me and my sibling always hung out of home…now all is good. Hopefully it is something this boring for Brange.
Remember when Mia Farrow split with Woody Allen after she said she found nude photos of her daughter in his belongings (or something like that)…..
That was quite sudden, Farrow went on a massive anti-Woody PR binge too and accused him of being a threat to all her kids
Seems somewhat similar here….just saying
The “incident” must have been equally as bad in this case for her to turn so suddenly and ask for sole custody
^ And there’s a prime example of some of the really unpleasant speculation.
It’s so wrong.
You aint lying. Everytime I see a post like this, I deduct another point from Angie. So wrong.
Because it’s a game.
But but ..These wouldnve been similar speculations people will talk about from the tabs etc etc..imo
Yes its The most unbelievable split . no one was ready for end of Brad and Angie . No one was ready and thought they actually go through it this early at least.
No there wouldn’t, had AJ and Co’s statements been less ambiguous. It’s the ambiguity that’s allowed speculation to run riot and take the dark and sinister turn it’s taken. If they’d made it clear that the divorce has come about because of ‘addiction issues’ on Pitt’s part, then fine, that’s not great but it’s a hell of lot better than some of the speculation that’s doing the rounds on here and elsewhere.
Theres a story out in the daily mail that she became too serious and not like the wild child he fell in love with after her operation to remove her breasts. Theres a comparison with how it was a similar thing with Anniston as in Anniston became too boring for him. Coupled with the thing in People about how he would escape to France when they rowed, I actually believe he has some maturity issues. I don’t think a husband and father who leaves the country when they have arguments is really being a mature adult. I am sure he loves his kids more than anything but hes over 50 and should have better coping mechanisms now that hes a father. I don’t want to speculate on the “incident” but my guess would be that whatever happened was the final straw. My general feeling is that she grew up,while hes still a 50 something stoner guy who enjoys hollywood and whereas her passion is now politics and humanitarian issues.
she hasnt been a wild child For a long time, way before her breasts were removed. That’s a crock of b.s., as of that takes away your sexuality. She knew he smoked and drank when they got together. A man who is not ready to settle down doesn’t adopt kids and have more kids with the mom. He is never seen out partying and usually always has kids with him. If something serious happened, he would have been arrested. It’s not that, it’s something else that happened.
The notion was that she was becoming more and more serious in the past two years.To me it seems a bit immature to run away to France because you are arguing with the mother of your kids, of course neither of us know what the truth is enough to say one thing or the other is bullshit. But you don’t have to be seen out partying to enjoy a drink and smoke. Pitts been pretty open about periods in his life when he was at least smoking too much and has attributed it to depression in the past. He was talking about being on the couch with a joint, he wasn’t out on in the clubs. This was during the anniston years i believe
As i said i don’t want to speculate on the so called incident, not sure what you are referring to when you said he would have been arrested, as i have not really said one thing or another about that?
Thank you for the most intelligent comment I’ve read on this thread. I agree with everything you said and only want to add that Brad seems to be going through a massive midlife crisis that she is just fed up trying to deal with. He comes across as a nice guy who is both narcissistic and immature. I think he loves Angie and the kids very much but he also thinks he has a right to have his cake and eat it too. I think that at some point this summer she handed Brad an ultimatum to get his s**t together or else. Whatever happened last week must have driven her over the edge. As for Brad being blindsided, I think he ignored the warning signals that were there all along until they blew up in his face.
You just know Laura Wasser and her team are handling the narrative via the press (people, tmz etc) with a heads up from Jolie’s camp and they have really gone in guns blazing to paint Brad in a really negative light. Wasser is ruthless! Not one to be messed with.
With the kids involved I think this is getting out of hand. The statements from her manager and lawyer seem to emphasis the welfare and safety of the children. Thus hints something went down with the kids.
Everything from the statements to the media narrative has been deliberately set up in her favour and they can leak information without confirming anything publicly. Should we believe the media narrative from Wasser’s team considering how they painted Amber Heard?
I really rooted for these two and thought they wouldn’t call it day but would fight hard to save their relationship if something was wrong. I hope they can work it for the best.
Brad’s always struck me as kind of a douche, and he often seems to be just tagging along when they go out with all the kids (although he does seem very attached to Maddox). But I think she decided it was time for him to get off the Saint Angelina train, and let the world see him for what he is: a pot-smoking, narcissistic cheater or at least someone in the midst of a serious mid-life crisis!
I know I will catch holy hell for this but she’s NOT putting the children first. I don’t believe anything she is saying about him. Now to deprive the children of the relationship. Cmon. I’m sorry but she is wrong. I think she “released” her initial statement because she wanted to come off as the Saint and now it’s backfiring. This woman does NOTHING for no reason. She’s crafty. My care is for the children.
Some really good points are being made on this thread.
I wonder if Brad will slow down his globetrotting?
Can’t help but think Brad was blindsided, and at the core, Angie had no trouble filing for divorce from him.
Ok, well I’ve certainly outed myself as Team Angie. I like Brad (and even Jen–not so much Marion but that’s unrelated), but I have liked Angie since we were both those weird girls who played with knives.
That said, if it does turn out that this is just about Brad impregnating MC, I’ll be disappointed in Angelina. I don’t think it will be only about that, although that could be the straw that broke the camel’s back. I could see divorcing over that. I could see asking for sole physical custody just for the sake of convenience. But the “health of the family” statement really implies something else. Not that I want something bad to have happened.
I don’t think this divorce filing was a snap decision based on one incident though. I’m betting she was poised on the edge for a while and something happened that made her jump.
That thing “the health of the family” can be seen also as Brad’s health. (She many time said that they were family for life, because they have kids together, being married or not). Maybe she wanted him to deal with some stuff that is bad for him, and he didn’t do a thing (I had some members of my family that needed to be given an ultimatum to change things). Finally, after some “incident” last week, she filed the papers so it would be a wake up call for him, so he would take care of his health. Like: Dude, this can’t go on any more, and you need to deal with it, or these are the consequences. That’s my theory.
Certainly plausible.
perhaps..
is that under eye injury or shade of the glasses http://i1.wp.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/brad-pitt-kids-vivian-knox-donuts-PP.jpg?resize=980%2C551
That pic reminds me of my papa, with his getting the donuts – and a busted eye socket, at that.
A fellow can pass out drunk and slam his head pretty hard on the loo seat and knock himself out further, thus scaring the kids. They might think he ‘died’ and try to move him in the panic.
It might have been something simple as that, but it’s scary to kids to see a parent knocked out like that.
Actually, without being under the influence of anything — I’ve fallen asleep on the toilet and found myself on the floor, wedged between a heater and a litter box! True story. Wasn’t all that easy to get up for various reasons, the bathroom is pretty tight (made from a corner in a former horse barn) even though I wasn’t. Two cats laughing at me didn’t help. At least I was able to turn off the heater while I figured out how to get up.
And that, dear children, is why I always keep a cell phone with me and also have chargers plugged in at strategic points….
Were you sick or just exhausted?
Those cats. You know they’re secretly laughing at us, the silly people who work hard so they can sleep 24 hours a day.
I think he’s always quietly had flings here and there and maybe she knew about it but he had to be discreet, then one of the kids found out or walked in on something or read some text or email. And she would rather do some scorched earth divorcing that makes him look like a bad dad then admit that he cheated on her after cheating with her. They were Always the exception to the rule that marriages born out of infidelity don’t last. She’s probably highly embarrassed that the old Hollywood fairytale romance they’ve had is destroyed, especially since she bit the bullet and finally married the guy.
I don’t think there was one thing, no “incident”. she just got to the point where he had too much baggage to carry around. She obviously has a new agenda – to go into politics, more humanitarian work, etc. and having a stoner party boy along was going to be a drag on that image. She’s now hanging with a whole different, high profile but non-celebrity, group and my guess is he didn’t fit in with that crowd.
She comes across as incredibly focused – once she’s decided there’s no going back. Talk about intimidating!
That’s such a good description of her: She comes across as incredibly focused. I totally agree – if I had to describe her in one word (beside beautiful, lol) I would say : FOCUSED.
If that’s the case – and it may well be – why the need to publicly throw Pitt to the wolves?
If she’s done with him, why didn’t she just tell him how it is privately so they could both agree a public ‘blameless’ ending?
To save her own ass. Look up “prisoner’s dilemma” and then think about her public image. Somebody did something very, very wrong that is about to come out, and she’s doing a preemptive damage control strike so people won’t start hating her too when they learn.
Even if it is an affair, she can’t really use that in her benefit, yeah? People will just point to how they got together. She had to use a different narrative – one that didn’t make her the fool woman who got scorned and got her own at the same time.
That’s funny because the word I would use to describe her is: IMPULSIVE.
Yeah, lol, I don’t think she is impulsive at all. I think she thoroughly thinks through every decision she makes, and she stands behind them.
I have a feeling that the divorce is not caused because of something someone did, but rather because what someone SAID. There are words you cannot take back, thoughts brought into daylight that can wreck the family, especially kind of a family where siblings have a very diverse background.
Very interesting. Maybe he rage-said Something really wrong to/about an adopted kid while high/ drunk…
Have you seen this?
http://blindgossip.com/?p=80947#more-80947
I know it is just a BI, but THAT would be disgusting. Would Angelina really smear Brad as a bad father because she wants to get out of the marriage for someone else?
I really hope not.
Juicy !!
( i hate myself.)
Let’s play Guess the Pol! I say William Hague.
I say Hillary, lol!
Hillary/Angie 2020
IF she is as manipulative as people think….It wouldn’t surprise me honestly, HER career as a humanitarian, HER children, HER everything…, i personally think that she shows signs of BPD.
People always assume the man in the relationship is the dirt bag. “He’s the one drinking, taking drugs, fooling around.”
I’m not a fan/follower of either one of them but to just assume Brad is the cause of the split is just an a$$hole woman thing to say.
LOL—not at your comment, but that elsewhere on the site people are saying that the man always gets a free pass and women always turn on each other. Maybe we are actually pretty balanced here!
I mean…he got into this relationship after cheating on his first wife with Angelina. And there have been rumors of drinking issues for a while now. I doubt she isn’t bringing flaws to the table, but suggesting that he could be the main problem here isn’t totally unfounded. That isn’t really a gender stereotype so much as, “Brad Pitt has a history here that’s working against him.”
🙂 They had an incredibly successful marriage with their 6 beautiful kids and they handled everything maturely up to this point. She’s still Saint Angie. Much as it was nice to see them together, I can imagine they’ll get through this as a family and, after the usual mud slinging, end up in an even better place as friends and coparents. She’s just clearly such a compassionate and reasonable person. While I’m pretending to know these people I’ve never met, I’d wager they end up dating a bit sporadically over the years in a loving but casual way. I mean, 6 kids. That’s the love of your life, no matter how the marriage ends.
Could this be the Nanny Diaries part 231?
As Sassback suggested what if Brad cheated and one of the kids found out?
It is possible that it wasn’t MC he cheated with, but someone close to the family esp. the kids. And that was the final straw. Angelina was in London almost two weeks ago, don’t know if any of the kids were with her. Could it be, they were home with Brad and at least one of the kids saw/heard something that it wasn’t supposed to?
I think she’s been sick of him for a while now. You don’t divorce your partner of 12 years and father of your children over an incident or over his occasional drink or joint. He either has to be an alcoholic or a drug addict or a pedophile. If he ain’t one of those three then this has been brewing for a while and she’s just over him and over this period of her life.
i like brad but is a strange guy, a copycat : wearing black and white clothes like her, tattoo like her, and some of his photoshoot are similar to angelina…..
Then that just goes to show the big act they put on. Of course, they are actors.
It’s hard to buy this spin that something drastic happened to make her file for divorce. Angie knew he smoked weed, knew he was a drinker. It’s been 12? Years, what could have popped up overnight? Has he been arrested? No. I think it was a gradual growing apart, and she decided to pull the plug.
Never been a fan of Jolie. I know this site reveres her and yes her humanitarian work is admirable. But I always found her to be a mediocre actress and the way she and Brad got together was meh (not dredging up that history but it did def made me raise my eyebrows when she got pregnant with Shiloh about two seconds later and before Brad’s divorce was finalized).
So I can’t say I’m a fan for airing her dirty laundry in public. Maybe Brad did a terrible unforgivable thing. Maybe she is blowing it out of proportion. But as other commenters pointed out she did “reinvent” herself and by leaking things like Marion Cotillard potentially cheating with Brad (not sure I believe that one) is going to get back to the kids. And also showing her crazy side. It wasn’t that long ago she was acting like a total weirdo.
She had to know that the movie trailer showing them kissing was coming out this week, and would be plastered everywhere, when she dropped the bomb. I think this timing is not coincidence, whether its true or not.
Wait, how is she leaking Marion Cotillard thing?
The way she is handling this or her strategy to malign Pitt in the public eye -which seems to be working well as indicated by the focus of the discussion here and on Jezebel! – suggests she’s really scorned. It makes me wonder if perhaps it really is an affair with consequences (baby). And there’s no way she’d be able to handle that, not at all -not that she needs to. But then it begs the question -why would Brad be ‘blindsided’? Wouldn’t he expect it? Curious.
Or could it just be that they’ve grown apart? They haven’t looked happy in photographs to me for quite a few years now. They are very different people. She wants power and global recognition. He wants a simple life of toys and games. Perhaps she’s been on her way out for a while and recently he did something, the kind of thing that maybe he has always done, but this time it was enough for her. In fact, to me, her body language has seemed ‘distant’ from Pitt for a while now…
I absolutely hate the cheating man/scorned woman narrative every time it rears its ugly head. And in this case I really have trouble accepting that Angie would use her kids as a weapon to punish him for something unrelated to parenting. I also can’t believe Brad would ever deliberately hurt or endanger any of his children. But as other posters have speculated, I can believe he was turning into a man-child that was hard to live with. It would explain the custody request.
Angelina Jolie took a lot of thought in choosing her timing to announce her divorce on one of the sleeziest media gossip sites (TMZ) in order to be first to inform the public of her choice to divorce Pitt. D3spite the length of the announcement, that one fact (divorce) is all we really know for sure.
Everything else in the carefully constructed message was insinuation and implication; vague references to weed and alcohol and temper and “his methods for raising the children”. To paraphrase that song, “you say it best when you insinuate much but say virtually nothing at all”.
Believe it nor not (!) this divorce could have been private, could have been respectful on both sides and could have demonstrated the new fad for “conscious uncoupling” by respectfully implying nothing that could lead to wild negative speculation that can’t help but inspire observers to imagine the very worst. Is he beating the children? Driving with then under the influence? Sharing drugs or alcohol with them? Touching them inappropriately? Well? Jolie’s announcement opens speculation to any or all of those accusations.
If he’s done something appalling, she needs to drop the games and say something. And she needs to because she deliberately opened the door to this sneaky stealth character assassination.
And this is helping the children… how?
Until the facts are known, her choice to make dangerous and potentially criminal insinuations publicly known doesn’t strike me as the actions of a parent concerned for the safety and sanity of her children.
If this aggressively getting her explosive media message out first like a public relations hit and run, I personally can’t see the brilliance of the strategy.
If I were Brad Pitt, I would announce I was taking my side of the divorce private and from that moment on saying nothing to attack Jolie or expose the children to seeing the marriage turn into a public screaming match. Then I would just shut up and go about my business.
There’s just something really nasty and nuts about Jolie’s choices.
agree 10000000%
Yes to all this and throwing it back to comment #43 @ Triple Cardinal.
I refuse to believe she is so upset over alcohol & weed? Come on now, weed is like nothing, way less harmful to your health than cigs which are legal so its comical that brad smoking weed is grounds for a divorce. My take is, the marriage ran its course, they stopped getting along & they both wanted out but angie being the mama bear that she is selfishly wants FULL custody so she is going to use the fact that he smokes pot(something he has said several times )& drinks alcohol to try to get want she wants. If indeed my theory is true, then she is one heartless modaPhucker. Except if brad is abusive towards his children, there is absolutely no reason why she would strip custodial rights from him. She has praised his fatherly skills & has said several times how a wonderful dad he is & now you want him to only have visitation? Thats messed up. Woman should STOP using their children as props in divorce.
after brangelina, who is going to be the target of the tabloïds ? clooney or aniston ?
Mommy dearest at its best….
Nothing short of severe physical abuse or sexual abuse warrants this kind of action (which I am not alleging.) Otherwise, it would be in the best interest of the children to keep it private and be respectful. It is probably the first stone in the custody battle. No judge is going to deny Brad joint custody of his kids without undeniable proof he shouldn’t have it.
A few people here have mentioned “severe physical abuse” as a reason to divorce… what?!!? Any physical abuse will do. Physical abuse escalates and you do not have to wait till it’s severe to leave. Even if you aren’t injured the first time, the next time it might be a black eye or broken arm or concussion. Get out when you can
It looks like the Daily Mail and others have firmly nailed their colours to the mast in favour of Brad. Loads of comments about how this is karma for Angelina because she’s a jealous homewrecker (poor, innocent Brad had nothing to do with it!), a heroin addict, a maniac, a sociopath, a virtue-signalling refugee-loving attention-seeking mentally-unstable left-wing whore…
So, so many completely vile comments, almost entirely about Angelina. I’d like to think they’re not all coming from a base of misogyny, but I’m struggling.
Like, was there any doubt that it’s going to be all her fault?! Tabloids are writing this narrative for the past 12 years, and they can finally unleash it to the max! It was never Brad’s fault and it’s not going to be this time either.
Until “the incident” is identified, not sure how anyone can assign blame.
This saddens me. Women always seem to take it up the arse. Men tend to be feared. Women don’t even get the respect of fear.
Mmm, take a look at Wasser’s CV.
What does really suck that I’ve noticed among people of my acquaintance, is that when couples get divorced, the husband is often the one to keep the family friends. The courts can’t rule on that one-
Daily Beast has interesting things to say about Angelina’s PR game.
Well there are rumors about Angelina and Arminka Helic, although some keep saying Hague (who is firmly in the closet). She was alleged to have wanted to move to the UK and become a Brit. I hope for the sake of the kids they clean up their acts and the air and handle things like adults.
Yes – it seems Jolie wants to divest of a number of non-uk properties which would hinder her application for citizenship. And she has far higher ambitions than just citizenship and do-gooding from a UK base… Apparently she’s looking for a seat in the House of Lords – which means a title, robes… the lot.
Quite the ambition for someone marries to an American who would never give up citizenship. And the kids? She’ll want them with her in England, a desire which an American judge ruling on their divorce might not approve. The kids may have various dual citizenships, but US courts sincerely do not like children being taken by one parent away from their US jurisdiction.
It’s an issue that Brad could definitely use to his advantage.
What a mess. That’s the real shocker.
Owning property in other countries doesn’t hinder an application for U.K. citizenship at all.
My mistake – it doesn’t have to do with applying for citizenship, it has to do with entering the House of Lords.
It could be that the issue came down to administering/ not administering pub*rty blockers to their gender non conforming child. This happened to me and I had to walk away from the relationship (not my my bio child, never married the mom), because absolutely could not get behind the choice the mom made.
WOAH!!! Did not consider this angle.
If Shiloh was gender non conforming I really doubt she would refer to Shiloh as her and her daughter as Angie did a couple of weeks ago when they bought that teddy bear on the street.Brad also uses female pronouns as well as her cousins.No body that knows these people have ever said Shiloh was TG or gender non conforming so it bothers me when believe and repeat tabloid BS.
+1
Geez, just because a girl likes comfortable clothing with pockets doesn’t mean she wants to be a boy physically. I ran around in my older brother’s old Cub Scout uniform one summer. Pockets galore! I was never attracted to prom dresses etc., just not my style. People really need to relax about clothing choices. The parents in this case are doing the right thing, letting all the kids make their own choices about hair and clothing. It’s not as though they have to worry about school dress codes.
+1 I didn’t want to voice it and get crucified as the a**hole who “blamed” the children but to me it sounds like this is the issue.
I agree and definitely think she worded it that way on purpose! She’s been in this business a long time and knows how to play the media game, these two have dealt with more bad press than anyone I can think of yet they came out on top, so surely she knew what this would do.
Jolie fan here.
Am I the only one who thought them getting married was the kiss of death for their relationship?
Nope. I felt it was the worst move for them.
Jolie fan here too. I’m glad she’s getting out. Never liked him and always thought she could do better. Her physical deterioration during the last 11 years was alarming to witness. The Stepford Wife routine she had going for a while weirded me out. Happy Independence Day Angie! Here’s to regaining your health and happiness.
Brad has. finally come into his own movie role/career-wise (I.e., producing Plan B, meaty roles). He has been working pretty steadily lately. If I remember correctly, their agreement was only one of them working on a movie at a time and the other would accompany them with the family. It seems like Brad is hitting the iron while it is hot lately working on playing WWII Generals and the like. Male actors in their 40, 50 & 60’s get pretty great roles compared to women who basically, do not get offered anything or it goes to Meryl Streep roles. Maybe, that is the problem with having to do with “the health of the family.” I could see AJ blowing up at him signing on to do another movie in a row while she wanted to go to Cambodia or something. Maybe it thought it had blown over and he thought he had smoothed it over and she was just done. AJ might feel if the custody of the kids are hers then she can get professional help with childcare and she does not seem to need him…maybe she feels like he is not being a “dependable” dad by working too much. This seems like it might be the answer here. That and she is moving more away from film to humanitarian work.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t this the only statement that Angelina has released on the subject:
“Angelina Jolie Pitt has filed for dissolution of the marriage. This decision was made for the health of the family. She will not be commenting at this time, and asks that the family be given their privacy during this difficult time.”
If true, I don’t see how that makes her bad. She didn’t say Pitt was abusive. She didn’t say he had a drug or alcohol problem. She simply said it was better for the family; a family that includes both her and Brad. I don’t see how this is damaging to the kids. The only thing that will be damaging to the kids, is if they have to read all of the baseless speculation being put forth in the legitimate(?) media. This could mean, they were fighting too much and it wasn’t healthy for the kids, or any number of things.
As I’ve said before, it sucks for the children no matter how you cut it. And no amount of money in the world will change that. Beyond that I got nothing because you know what they say about people who assume things……
The most sensible (and sane) comment I’ve read on this yet. People just want to demonize her. I don’t think it will ever end sadly.
Maybe you are new to celeb gossip so let me explain. TMZ broke the story, meaning tmz was told about the divorce, her lawyer is basically tmz’s bff so any news regarding angie regarding this divorce that is coming from tmz is coming from Angelina & her people so if TMZ “sources” are saying angie says brad is a drunk & bad father, better believe Angie & her people are telling them that.
Canet could diffuse or dispel much of the speculation about Cotillard by appearing with her or announcing “their” second pregnancy.
If, as stated above, AJ has considered divorce for a few months, any event, big or small, could have induced her to pull the trigger.
I mostly agree with you Patty but you have to admit that the timing is suspect. On second thought, TMZ broke the news because they got hold of her divorce filing right? Jolie’s statement came after TMZ broke the story . . . the rest is of course just rampant speculation. Which was going to happen whether she released a statement or not. But the Brad is an alcohol and weed fiend had to have had some tacit approval from Angie’s camp. And what about this alleged incident?
Ay, I’m so torn.
She’s always been so forthright. I just don’t want to believe that she’d stoop to vilifying him in the press in such a sneaky, underhanded fashion. But I’m not naive enough to believe her incapable of it either. Human beings, we’re such complex, contradictory creatures.
Sneaky? Underhanded? Can you tell me what you are referring to?
Marion has issued a statement on Instagram categorically denying any affair and saying that she is pregnant with Canet’s child. I believe her.
I read that statement. She didn’t categorically deny anything. She said she has a life partner who is the only man she wants to be with and they have one child together and are expecting another. But she did not deny having a casual fling or a one-night stand with Brad Pitt. From what I’ve read on the Cotillard thread, she and her life partner seem to have a very open relationship and they have both had numerous affairs with other people.
Lesson learned, don’t marry a successful heartthrob actor, it will never work out no matter how beautiful you are. Angelina need’s to have a girl’s night out with Jennifer garner.
Angelina filed for divorce, requested full custody, didn’t request child support, and someone released a statement that she filed in the best interest of her family? When I look at the facts as I see them, I’m pretty surprised at the comments. As many people have said, this is a wealthy couple, together and individually. If I were to divorce my husband and request full custody and financially able, I wouldn’t request support either. I would be thrilled that I was financially able to support my full custody request. My children aren’t pay checks, I admire Angelina for her ability to support her children.
As for the best interests of the family, any concerned parent walking out of a divorce filing would hopefully say they were there to protect the best interests of their family.
As much as I came here to get the scoop, I am shocked by how far the narrative his gone. Angelina attacked Brad, making accusations against him, poor Brad. Seems like she just filed for divorce, publicly checked the box that said I’ll probably be able to provide for the kids, and had an attorney state that her decision to divorce was made to protect their family. Divorce sucks under every situation. It’s sad and unfortunate, but I just don’t see an all out ground scorching situation.
**Edit – I agree with Patty, just saw your comment 🙂
Her father was shocked as well he said ‘Something very serious must have happened for Angie to make a decision like this’…… if she wants the world to know what the final straw was all she has to do its tell Jon, he is such a blabber mouth we will know within a day .
DM reporting that he is being investigated for physical and verbal child abuse after an incident in a private jet last week.
The incident must have been terrible, but I bet there was a bunch of other incidents that led to divorce. This didn’t just begin.
I wonder if I’m alone in this: I remember thinking her wedding photos for People were somewhat odd. She didn’t look happy, she looked sad. At the time, I believed it was because she had been afraid to get sick and doing all the cancer prevention care. But now I wonder… if she was even then thinking the wedding wasn’t working as well as it should be?