Karl Lagerfeld is surprisingly friendly with the Kardashian-Jenner clan. Kendall Jenner has modeled for Chanel, and Karl has photographed Kim Kardashian and Kanye for magazine editorials in the past. While Lagerfeld hates most things, he doesn’t seem to mind Kim in small doses, even if he (I suspect) thinks she’s tacky as hell. Well, Kim’s robbery came in the middle of Paris Fashion Week, just a few days before Karl’s big Chanel show. So obviously people were asking him to go on the record about what he thinks about Kim’s robbery and assault. And he obliged. With some victim-blame-y stuff.
Karl Lagerfeld is not mincing words about Kim Kardashian’s robbery. The famed creative director of Chanel addressed reporters during the label’s fashion show in Paris on Tuesday, commenting at length on the reality star’s life-threatening experience. The comments were captured on video and shared by The Telegraph.
“I don’t understand why she was in a hotel with no security and think like this,” the 83-year-old designer began. “If you are that famous and you put all your jewelry on the net, you go to hotels where nobody can come near to the room. You cannot display your wealth and then be surprised that some people want to share it with you.”
As a resident of Paris, Lagerfeld also commented on how the event may impact the area, particularly after the country suffered two of its deadliest terrorist attacks in November and July.
“Image-wise, I think it is very bad,” he told reporters. “We make all the efforts to make Paris appealing.”
Despite his critical words, he did issue a message of support to Kardashian immediately after reports surfaced of the robbery. “Dearest Kim, We are all with you. Love, Karl,” he wrote on a note photographed and shared on social media.
The problem with people “blaming” Kim for her conspicuous consumption is that it feels like those people believe Kim somehow “deserved” to be “punished” for being rich, or having nice jewelry, or for being a woman alone in a private and (what she assumed was) secure location. Do you see how absurd that is? It’s her fault for being alone. She’s responsible for the crime because she was alone in a rented apartment that she believed to be secure. It’s her fault for wearing nice jewelry too, and for being on social media. Women have the right to wear jewelry, to post on social media, to stay in hotels and more without being assaulted and robbed. End of story. And the fact that this is coming from Karl Lagerfeld, the chief designer of Chanel, a label that prides itself on exclusivity and conspicuous consumption, is particularly ridiculous. Lagerfeld is selling the same look-at-me consumption that Kim is selling.
As for this crime reflecting badly on Paris… Kim hasn’t said anything in which she blamed the city of Paris or anything like that. Crime happens in every city, everyone knows that, and this robbery could have happened in any city. This incident did reflect badly on the Hotel de Pourtalès though, especially since everyone now believes that there was some kind of inside-man in the building, tipping off the burglars.
Photos courtesy of Instagram, Fame/Flynet.
Karl’s built his career on the rich and famous showing off their wealth by purchasing his products!
BUT, he, himself, is very private person.
As for the ” Kim somehow “deserved” to be “punished” for being rich “, I do not think people see it that way. It is because the way she earned her status, not to mention that many still think this is all one big scam.
if this was Rihanna or even Miley, people would feel more empathy.
Yes, this is true. But the kardashians took that showing what we have mentality to a new level. In europe we don’t appreciate that behaviour. But we condemn every crime
Yes, so true. Europeans never, ever show off their expensive jewellery or their designer labels, we don’t brag on social media, we don’t take our expensive motor cars on the streets lest anybody see them. And if we see somebody with a channel logo on their handbag, or gucci sunglasses, or Louis Vuitton suitcases, we immediately know they are gauche Americans and we shun them while pulling our coarse, homespun cloaks around us and walking barefoot down the street.
@Ninks “we immediately know they are gauche Americans and we shun them while pulling our coarse, homespun cloaks around us and walking barefoot down the street” LMFAO!!! and the award for best comment goes to…
@Ninks, best comment so far.
@Ninks, I love your sarcastic comment. Thank you.
Ninks, you rock lol!
Maybe the distinction is in the timing? If he said, as he was selling her some extravagant item, “make sure you have great security when you go out with this,” It would seem fine. Just like if you say to someone, “if you’re going to that frat party and you’re going to get drunk, make sure you have a friend to look out for you,” is fine as advice, but to say “I can’t believe you didn’t bring a friend” after the fact is not.
Well we teach children about being safe on the Internet. We disable location settings of our children’s pictures. Common sense would be as a parent to also show our kids that we are also being safe on the Internet. I don’t see this as victim blaming.
Yes ! I mean police tell us not to post on social media when we are on vacation.. not to post pics of our kids where they go to school — is that blaming us?
No, its common sense that most of use didn’t think of before but when thieves started ransacking your house knowing you were gone — hello. Wake up call.
Same for her .. she can wear anything she wants — but to show everyone exactly what they have, where they are are, at ALL TIMES is stupid.
Of course there are people out there that will take advantage of it — but the big different is I don’t make money off my social media — KIM DOES. She won’t stop because its her money maker so — and I can’t feel sorry for someone who has lied her way to millions and honestly – DOES NOT CARE about anyone or anything but herself. What causes did she believe in before she became famous?
Shopping.
What are they now?
Shopping.
That family doesn’t care what happens to anyone unless its them.So that maybe why people don’t feel bad for her.
There really is no reason for the world to know everything about where Kim is and if she is alone or not in real time. She would be much safer if she waited until she was elsewhere before talking about such things in the past tense. This is true for all of us, but especially for someone who really does have a lot of expensive items attractive to thieves. She probably thinks only fans monitor her social media, but thieves do that also.
And in her case, security is essential because the payoff is so great for a thief. Have to make it more difficult for them, and especially need to think in terms of minimizing the risk that the thief will hurt Kim or her friends or family to quickly get the targeted items. I think she knows that now, though. It’s not just about the bling, which can be replaced.
“security is essential because the payoff is so great for a thief.”
Exactly. And jewelry is so mobile. If you think of all of the things a person could own that are extraordinarily valuable, unlike a house, a plane, a car… a ring you can slip into your pocket and walk away. Logistically, jewelry is both incredibly valuable and easier to steal.
Yes, but when did they un-freeze him? Just to make this comment? They need to shove him back in before be defrosts.
He’s also built it on being a judgy bi@tch
Yes, but that’s different. She displays her location each time she is wearing something. Most people who use Chanel products don’t 0- unless they’re attention seekers on snapchat and instagram.
I agree with him.
While no one should ever have to endure what she did–I can’t even imagine; this is what happens (on a much larger scale) when conspicuous consumption is well–so freaking conspicuous. This is why local governments trot out warnings about letting everyone on your social media know when you’re out of town and your house is empty or showcase the present mountains holdiays celebrations seem to include.
again: I am not saying she deserved this or anyone deserves this–but the downside (well, one of them) of this aspirational lifestyle culture stuff is well–sometimes people might take the stuff.
Again, there are many layers and nuances and my comment is pre-caffeine; I am not victim blaming– but stuff stuff and more stuff on parade not only seems like an exhausting way to live, but can be pretty dangerous too.
So it was her fault.
No. again–this is why I hesitated; I think there’s a difference between victim blaming and shaming her vs. having a conversation about what the pitfalls of conspicuous consumption and cultivating an image of accessibility that doesn’t take into account inherent risks and personal safety–again, I think Karl is the pot calling the kettle black here.
And for the bajillionth time: I am truly, supremely and honestly glad she’s okay (period.)
I am really concerned about the tone of what “rights” are vs reality that these Kardashian robbery threads have taken these past couple of days. I feel like when people are saying things about pragmatism, they get shot down for “victim-blaming”. It’s one thing to call Kim a perjorative statement, but stating “be more careful” when you may have something others desire is not victim blaming. People pay more attention to protecting themselves from the sun than looking at the reality of their surroundings and how they put themselves into it. People are creeps. YES, you have the right to be alone, wear the Queen’s diamonds, post all over social media — but are you doing the smart thing and will someone out there take advantage of this information to commit a crime against you? POSSIBLY. What is wrong with pointing out that someone should be more careful? What is “right” doesn’t mean it is safe, and we are not living in an utopic world: there are men that will prey upon vulnerable women, there are people that will hurt your kids, there are thieves that will steal from you.
Yes, calling her a materialistic ***, or whatever perjoratives, is one thng and a discussion all of its own regarding a person who so openly puts her life out there for public consumption. It’s another conversation, another topic. But to say “Be More Careful” is not victim blaming or saying it’s her fault, that’s just being smart.
Someone used the example of a man raping a vulnerable woman incapacitated by alcohol as an example yesterday of victim blaming, but seriously, are you going to not warn your 21 yr old daughter or niece to be aware of her surroundings and stay safe if she goes to a party? Or do you trust her safety to the “rights” she has to get trashed, and leave it there? Would you trust others to protect her? Would you trust the strangers around her to protect her? Why can we not just say “be careful and protect yourself” when you have something others covet before getting shot down as “victim blamers” ? At the end of the day, no one here wants to see anyone hurt!
Annaloo – I agree with you 100%
@analoo I was one of the people who used the sexual assault/ alcohol analogy. So to further expand: Yes, you can warn your daughter about the dangers of over-drinking. But if your daughter still ends up getting wasted and is sexually assaulted, are you going to berate them for putting themselves in that position? I mentioned down-thread that I don’t really have a problem with people discussing ways this could have been prevented. It was the lack of compassion that threw me off.
I also have to say that if this were any other site, I probably wouldn’t have even said anything. However, people on this site usually get SO defensive whenever anyone dares to question a woman who claims to be a victim of assault/ rape etc. So it was interesting to see so many people either say that Kim is lying or imply that she is to blame.
@Goldie- Ok but that analogy still doesn’t quite work for me.
Obviously, if my daughter (imaginary cuz all I have is cats) was drinking at a party and ended up getting raped, I would NEVER think to berate her. First of all, she’s my daughter—not a celeb that I don’t know from Adam (like Kim). Second of all, I’m sure she would already be blaming herself because that’s what rape victims do: they blame themselves first.
It’s a natural instinct because people want to find a way that it could have been prevented and it’s easier for a victim to look at how they could have controlled the situation instead of recognizing that the situation was out of their hands.
That being said, if you wanted to use a more apt analogy of say, a celebrity like Amber Heard being abused by Depp and the subsequent reaction being quite different around here, well the difference is that Amber Heard hasn’t made her life into a reality TV show. Amber Heard has never blurred the lines between what’s real and what’s scripted and Amber Heard has never been caught publicly lying multiple times.
I said on the last thread that there’s a reason why *credibility* is a huge part of almost any trial and there’s a reason why character witnesses are brought on board to testify about a person’s trustworthiness.
And let’s just say that in the court of public opinion, Kim’s been deemed a “poor witness” in that she’s known to bend the truth and orchestrate narratives to generate ratings for her show including fake marriages, fake relationships, fake fights, fake break-ups, fake body parts…
Should people REALLY be slammed for pausing for a second when we hear the news that she was robbed at gunpoint? I mean, realistically isn’t that kind of a natural reaction?
But what bothered me most were the commenters claiming that this was about something else–that it was about Kim’s way of dressing or her pr0n tape or whatever. I mean, COME ON. As you said in your own comment, people here are not your average commenters. We know about slut-shaming, we know about misogyny and plenty of us (myself included) would defend Kim if we thought that was happening.
The reaction here wasn’t about Kim being disliked, it was about Kim being dishonest. It wasn’t about the way Kim dresses, it was about the way Kim plays the public.
I don’t know…those threads left a bad taste in my mouth because it felt like people were using important issues as a smoke screen to defend Kim, when the reality was that those issues weren’t even on the table to begin with.
Why is it terrible to point out that they contributed to this? Surely, if you’re going to advertise your every move and wealth (i.e. “Hey, here I am wearing 14 million dollars worth of jewellery, peasants”) and not have adequate security, you’re raising your risk of being robbed. As regular travellers to Europe, they would be aware of notorious heist gangs that operate in France. Their security detail should be aware of this as well.
You can make a disparaging comment about my view. It’s my view.
Perhaps this incident will knock some common sense into this entire family and hopefully it does, considering they also take their kids with them (while they’re flaunting their locations to endorse the products they wear, clothes and the like).
I’m a mere peasant and I’m vigilant when I go to the ATM. This entire family wear thousands of dollars worth of products and the bloody advertise their location. Go figure!
@kitten of course I wouldn’t expect you to have as much empathy for Kim as you would for your own daughters. I only mentioned daughters, because that was what the OP mentioned. I agree that Amber Heard would be a good comparison.
Regarding Amber’s trustworthiness… Well, there was the infamous dog-smuggling case. Amber herself has admitted in interviews that she used to forge her parents signatures on business contracts when she was younger, and she used fake IDs. So there are at least a few occasions where she lied on legal documents. Nevertheless, the majority of us didn’t hold that against her. Now perhaps Kim has told bigger whoppers. I admittedly don’t follow her that closely.
Although I don’t watch her show I do know that most “reality” shows are at least semi-scripted. One of my guilty pleasures is watching the Real Housewives franchise, and so much of that is staged: faked fights, conveniently timed engagements, you name it. There was one housewife who even purposely made it appear as though she cheated on her boyfriend, just so she would have a storyline. And yet if any of the housewives claimed to be robbed at gunpoint, I would probably believe them. Maybe, I’m naive but it seems beyond the type of thing that one would stage for a silly tv show. For one thing there’s the legal consequences of getting caught. I tend believe that when people lie about a crime they probably do so to cover up something else. i.e. Ryan Lochte lied/ exaggerated his robbery story to coverup his poor behavior ( though it would have been wiser to just say nothing).
I guess I just haven’t seen enough motivation for Kim to lie about something of this magnitude, especially when the consequences of getting caught could destroy whatever credibility and career she has.
I can only speak for myself, but I don’t think I “slammed” anyone on this thread or the previous ones. I simply said that I was surprised by the response that Kim was getting. It’s true that the posters here are generally pretty ‘woke’, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t sometimes guilty of having double standards, being overly cynical, or expressing internalized misogyny (though I didn’t accuse anyone of being misogynistic towards Kim) So, I think it’s fair to question where all of the judgement towards Kim was coming from.
I get where you’re coming from now, even if I don’t agree with everything.
Did you ninja edit your post? It wasn’t that long when I first replied. Not cool.
I edited it to fix some grammar before I saw anyone had even responded–and no, ninja here.
You seem a little too invested in syntax, word count and being right. What a fun life that must be!
You added a whole paragraph.
Thanks for “attacking” me and my life and not my argument.
Word police and hall monitor must be tiring, go bother someone else, mmmkay?
xoxo stay cute
She did not mention you at all.
I’m looking to read your “argument”?
Was it your first comment “so it was her fault”. Was that it?
Or when you accused Kaye of editing? Please clarify.
@ Kaye, I often edit for grammar and clarification, to clean up sentence structure, etc. It just makes sense to self edit so people don’t jump on something you didn’t intend… oh wait. 🙂 🙂
As it happens, I liked your OP. I think no, she did not deserve to be robbed, of course not. But people that actually DO rob don’t think like we do, they really must think it acceptable to go around taking at gunpoint that which they have no right. You don’t know who they are before hand sometimes, so taking some precautions seems necessary. Sad for society, but necessary.
Kaye, I totally get what you were trying to say.
Me too…..
Me too. In my case, I would not blame a victim — I’ve been robbed myself. My cocked eyebrow yesterday was: did this actually happen, and I ask because the K’s are known for creating scenarios, dramas, even marriages for ratings. The unusually accusatory tone of the original posts on this subject reek of bank account deposit to me. Don’t accuse anyone of “victim blaming” when they’re actually just questioning the veracity of the event due to the ever-changing storyline. I even posted a link to a rundown of conflicting info, and the post never appeared, So I will continue to say, I hope she is okay, I am sorry if it did indeed happen to her legitimately; it’s horrific and no one deserves such an experience. But I am still wondering about receipts. Friends in France question her ability to hop a plane and leave so quickly, when an investigation is going on, for example. Time will tell. But we all have a right to our curiosity about the events, I think.
@Kaye – I get what you are trying to say as well. Knowing she is a larger target than someone with out the visible and excessively displayed riches she has, it would have been smarter for her to heighten her security instead of leaving herself vulnerable to an attack. And for that reason, I think those who are critical are either distrustful of the honesty of the Kardashians or surprised at the lack of caution. Which is not victim-blaming.
I just think that Kim is getting way to much blame in the comments. I haven’t seen many comments taking about the Hotel security, possibility of an inside job.
I’ll guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Off to live my sad, pathetic, pedantic, loveless life over here. Peace out.
“I haven’t seen many comments taking about the Hotel security, possibility of an inside job.”
I wasn’t commenting all over the place, but I certainly have made those kinds of comments. It seems odd to me that they knew exactly when she and the residence would be without security.
So by this logic, is Kim inviting rape when she displays her body and people want to “share” that? Shut your croissant-hole, Karl.
In an ideal world – no one would ever think that, but the world is far from being ideal.
And unfortunately, there are millions of examples where gilrs with revealing outfits have been exploited by vile and awful men, and those same men would have said – She was asking for it….
Kim goes to a shop wearing her lovely ring which she said had cost her hubby 10kk dollars, she can’t be that naive and think that some nasty thief might want to cut off her finger to get that ring and by disclosing the information about her whereabouts. She’s really not making it that hard for this bad criminal to act on his vile plan.
We are all very much relieved that she hasn’t been physically hurt in this awful event, but she is a smart girl and she should draw some conclusions from her trauma, whether it’s going to be tripled security or lesser snapchats – it’s up to her to decide but she can’t ignore what has happened and why it has happened.
However, we don´t blame the bank in case of robbery? But by your logic we should? Because this where all the money etc. is and it is easy for thieves to know exact location and opening/closing hours?
Kim is nowhere at fault for being robbed at gunpoint, the robbers are!
@dotdotdot – that is not a fair comparison. Banks are public entities and so post hours and such (but not how much money they have in there at any one time).
Exactly, Alix. The very same people who are saying that Kim needs to accept HER PART in what happened would never say that to a woman who was raped (rightfully so). The great majority would never say, you need to accept that it was partly YOUR FAULT “because you went out by yourself”, “you drank too much”, “you wore a short skirt”, “you walked in that alley behind your house”. All of these things may be common sense and should be practiced, but at the end of the day, if someone violates you, it is NEVER your fault.
Private people are robbed, public people are robbed. People who own big houses are robbed, people who live in shacks are robbed. Women who cover up from head to toe are raped, women who “flash it about” are raped. People already know Kim is rich, she doesn’t need to wear jewelry for them to know that. Whoever robbed Kim did it because they’re bad people, not because she was more “rob-able”.
Whoever robbed Kim did it because they’re bad people, not because she was more “rob-able”.
Can’t it be both? They are not any less criminal for picking an easier victim. Kim is not any less a victim for not being cautious.
Do you think they randomly decided to rob that night, on that random residence, entered that random room and randomly found Kim Kardashian and her expensive jewelry?
The message we’re sending is not “This dumb bitch had it coming”. It’s “be careful with what you share online, if this happened to Kim Kardashian, it can most definitely happen to you”.
Does it matter when they decided to rob her? I wouldn’t call Sandra Bullock flashy, but her home has been broken into. I wouldn’t call Susan Sarandon flashy either but she’s been robbed and had to fight off the assailant. What I’m saying is that, sure, inform people about being more safe but when they’re the victim of a crime, there’s no “but”. On this thread, a few acknowledge that she’s a victim, and then go on to list all the “buts” that make it her fault (also)… how’s she’s also culpable. The focus is sooo much on what she did “wrong”.
So should rich people not have art on their walls (maybe lock it away at night, but then again they could be robbed during the day), put up all their valuables away, not have any valuables? We can ALL be more careful in some way or other and people will STILL find a way to take what we have because they want it.
Say she did bring more (unarmed) bodyguards with her and they came to rob her, what would have happened then? Say she did lock her valuables in a safe and they told her to get it, what happens from that point? What if she says no, or she doesn’t have anything… whatever, what happens next? They would just say thanks for participating, we’re going now?
It’s a weird line these days between common sense and victim blaming. We tell people not to walk at night with headphones on bc you aren’t as aware of the dangers around you. Social media creates a whole new need for awareness, creepy stalkers love social media bc it makes their life so much easier.
Good God, AMEN on this comment!
Thank you for this, I agree totally.
Rape isn’t about seeing naked bodies & wanting them. For most rapists it is is a mind game & control. The act of “degrading a woman in the worst possible way, taking her control & dignity” is the turning for them, not the naked body. I am surprised though how little security Kim has given her supposed wealth, obsessed fans, obsessed haters, and everything in between. especially though as Kim travels a lot & given the state of the world today w/ kidnappings, wanna be ISIS copy cats popping up everywhere (Kim excemplifies x1000 everything about women in the west that groups such as ISIS or any fanatical religious group or hate group base their crazy rhetoric on), & yes even some person out there thinking he can put her back in her place by raping her. Sad because until society sees that the illnesses lie w/ the perpetrator.. victims will always be blamed for what they did or didn’t wear, shouldn’t display property they own, shouldn’t etc etc etc. I do think had she a real security team this would not have happened. Most criminals go after easy marks..in & out as quick as possible. Even if it was an inside job, having a security detail present at all times would have made it harder to pull off what these 5 did to Kim. I’m not blaming her for wanting to look pretty or feel like millions wearing what she & Kanye worked to purchase. Nor do I blame her for posting everything on social media. However, I do think she’s old enough & seen enough of the world to know there are those that wish to do others harm and being in the limelight makes them easier targets. So yes,not having more of a security team was a lapse in judgement. I am glad she was not physically harmed and I hope she gets counseling to help her move past this for her & her children’s sake. If (and that’s a huge If) this was for the show though, then this woman will really prove to be vile to anyone that has ever been robbed, held at gunpoint, raped, etc.
See, I don’t like this comparison because most of us know r*pe isn’t about clothing, looks, attractiveness, etc. Plenty of women are r*ped when they’re covered. Robbing someone you know has certain jewels and money is something totally different. No, I don’t think she asked for it with respect to this robbery.
“So by this logic, is Kim inviting rape when she displays her body and people want to “share” that?”
It’s very often said by sexist @ssholes that a woman could’ve avoided being raped if only she didn’t flaunt her body because it’s excatly the same as wearing a Rolex and being surprised when you get mugged, and it’s usually shot down by feminists by (rightly) pointing out that you can’t exactly leave your body at home, as opposed to your Rolex. And that’s all you need really to be a target of a rapist – a female body. Women in burkas are not flaunting anything and I think we can agree it’s not working that great for them as a rape prevention. Women in care homes get raped by both their carers and psychos breaking in so it’s not about being a sex kitten in high heels either. You can’t get rid of your female body. You can leave your 10-gazillion dollar ring in a safe place and not show it off on instagram. Whether that means you deserve to be robbed is another thing altogether but I do not agree that these things are the same. All a rapist needs is a vagina, and you can’t keep it in a safe.
“And that’s all you need really to be a target of a rapist – a female body.”
You don’t need a vagina to get raped. Ask any man who has been to prison.
I’m aware of male rape. But I haven’t heard of men being raped daily by strangers on the street simply because they were walking after dark.
Karl speaks the truth. I think Kim is at that place where she feels she is untouchable. History has proven that isn’t possible for anyone.
Kim was the victim..it doesn’t matter on how or why it happened. I am not a fan of Kim or her family but she was traumatized, bound and gagged by armed men. There has been a number of robberies involving celebrities, but they were fortunate not to be home when the robberies occurred. No one blamed Orlando Bloom for having a collection of Rolex watches..so why blame Kim for her jewelry collection..she was in her rented home a place she should have been safe. But obviously someone knew she was alone and took advantage of that moment..I don’t think it would have mattered if she had a safe..they had her alone and they had a gun they could have forced her to give them combination of the safe.
I’ve been saying all week that obviously she is a victim of a terrifying crime. What I also said is that she needs to tone down her online activity leaving a map to her whereabouts. She is a wealthy woman married to a wealthier man and needs to take extra precautions for her safety and that of her children. I never said she wasn’t a victim, quite the opposite.
The robbers are to blame, not Kim.
I do find it odd that the insurer of the $4 million dollar ring didn’t have rules about how it was to be kept. My former employer gave his wife a $250K ring and their house insurance stipulated he had to be kept in a safe or a bank vault when it wasn’t being worn out. I also remember reading a Nicky Hilton interview (back when Paris was popular) and she told a story about how she took her mom`s necklace out to an event and her mom called her mid event after seeing a pap picture on the web saying to come home immediately, her insurance policy required her to go out with security when wearing the necklace.
Either that`s not a $4 million dollar ring, or Kim`s insurance is about to put up a fight.
^^^THIS exactly. Insurance would have had security/travel/storage requirements for an item that was of such enormous value.
The problem here is not the wealth display but being constantly online on social media and give away her whereabouts to the entire world. Honestly it was only a matter of time for this to happen.
I am not a fan or a follower but even I knew where Kim was staying and with the constant posting of pictures from all her circle of frineds/ family, it doesn’t take much to find out when she is alone and vulnerable.
She has been incredibly naive.
I see all my friends on fb posting pics of the3ir children constantly saying where they are, what they do, where they eat, where they go on holiday and when and I just shake my head because it is so so wrong and naive.
Yup, incredibly naive
I hate that I know this, but that night Kim literally posted a video of snapchat of her sisters and friends going out without her and was basically like theyre all going out and I’m staying home!
Still not blaming her but I can see how the robbers would know if they followed her on snapchat.
I remember (ahem) seeing an episode of KUWTK not that long ago in which the other sisters pranked Kylie to teach her the dangers of sharing her whereabouts with the whole world.
Thissss!
Exactly, telling strangers all about you is dangerous, specially if you also add your location.
It’s not victim-blaming, it’s common sense.
And what if you went away on holiday and left your front door open? Most people would not go in and rob you. But if you did get robbed then obviously the burglars are the culprits, to blame for their actions, etc., but you would also have to take some responsibility, no?
Well there is nothing common about sense! It’s a flower that doesn’t grow in everyone’s garden.
If you leave your front door open and you get robbed, you can gear yourself up for a mighty battle with your insurance company. They would consider you culpable for not securing your house.
this.
you do not live on social medias, you do not post pics of your vacation while on vacation and you never post your location.
this is a lesson for all Kim wannabes.
i am not blaming her at all, i cannot blame her for not being smart or her whole team for not pointing out that her behavior might actually harm her.
sadly, i do not think she learned anything from this.
This. All of this.
When you tell everyone about your whereabouts, you’re telling people of the times you’re most vulnerable. Does this justify the crime? No, of course not. But you are increasing your chances of this happening. Perhaps people should try to learn something from this cases instead of shunning everyone who didnt react the same way as them.
I like the comments on this site, and am pleased they are not all in the same monotone, self righteous vein of “victim blaming.” No, I see no victim blaming at all here, simply many people who believe that Kim could have exercised more caution in sharing details of her personal life, and hopefully will do so from now on. It is not “victim blaming” to suggest that Kim could have protected herself better if she were not constantly putting her whereabouts–and showing off her jewelry–on social media. To see that someone was not as wise/self protective as they could have been is NOT blaming the victim; it is simply common sense. That said, I still can’t seem to feel much sympathy for Kim—I’m glad she wasn’t hurt, of course, but that’s as far as my compassion for her goes. I detest this narcissistic, selfish, unthinking useless woman, and unfortunately she will milk this robbery for all she can get out of it. As in: a new subject for her show, as well as plenty of upcoming, prolonged media coverage about how traumatized and heartbroken and terrified poor Kim is by the robbery. Why, she’s even cut her pap strolls down to ten a week—from twenty! How ever will she continue to be so productive and helpful to the world and all her causes as she is, however *will* she continue to thrive????
Yes. There is a difference between showing what you have and straight up baiting criminals by also telling them exactly how and when and where to come get your sh*t. If I sit outside in a café I don’t put my bag behind me on the ground. Why? We all know why. It’s just not safe or smart.
I agree that she’s a bag of silicone & stupid but being robbed is not her fault. It doesn’t matter what she did online. The robbers chose to commit a crime.
Very few people are saying it is her fault. What they are saying is that ALL people need to be cautious on WHAT they post. You can post anything you want, but if you post where you will be and when, you are making yourself more vulnerable. As I have said in other threads, my when my sister-in-law and brother go on vacation they do not post it on FB. They also do not post pictures during their vacation and wait until they return. It’s so that no one knows that they are not home for an extended time.
It will be interesting to see how she moves forward in the future: Will she continue to wear expensive jewelry then double up on security and keep guards at her door; or will she wear fake stuff and oogle at her gems in the safe?
I’m not a fan of diamonds. There’s the obvious “black diamond” issues, but also, the value of diamonds is kept high because DeBeers only let’s a certain amount be mined. (Starting in the late 1940’s the USA wouldn’t allow the CEO into the country. That may have changed a few years ago when DeBeers paid about $425m to the US.)
Diamonds are a dime-a-dozen. Kim’s $4m ring is probably only worth, I’m guessing, about $200k.
Only a fool would pay that for a rock; I don’t care how much money you have.
“The problem here is not the wealth display but being constantly online on social media and give away her whereabouts to the entire world.”
Agreed.
I so agree, I don’t think people need to post their every move online.
Im just so curious had this been Kendall Jenner what the media would be like. Since she is a white girl I don’t think she would be getting the same victim-blamey treatment Kim has gotten the last few days. and to keep hearing blame against Kim for owning expensive jewelry is ridiculous, Kanye has million dollar chains, same w Beyoncé and a lot of others in the industry
Kim IS a white woman.
I’m surprised by this comment, isn’t Kim a white woman? I think the lack of sympathy being shown by some is due to Kardashian’s publicity hungry ways, if this was Paris Hilton, people would most likely react the same way.
True. Paris Hilton’s house was robbed a few years ago bc of same reasons: she posted on social media that she was out of town and it was known that her house could be entered easily. Paris received no sympathy from the public. I don’t think this has anything to do with race. I think if Kendall were robbed, by her association with the Kardashian brand, she’d receive the same lack of sympathy- I think any reality tv star on level of the Kardashians or Hiltons or Speidi or anyone on that level would be looked as such.
Kim is white.
Kim is a white chick so…no that argument doesn’t work.
Your playing with us-obviously Kim is white. Tanning and injecting your butt does not make a white woman black. Only a blind person could make this comment.
Idiotic comment
Yeah I honestly feel bad for the ‘hotel’. One(?) crooked employee and they’re probably going to lose a TON of business. Im in the hospitality industry and I’m just thinking of the dozens of other uninvolved employees who are probably afraid for their jobs right now!
It was not a hotel, it was a private resident owned by Kanye. The place has a concierge.
Sorry just wanna apologize I looked into Armenian/European history and culture and came to the conclusion that Armenian isn’t considered ethinicity beyond European-Caucasian . I had thought it was reversed ie. mixed race poc
“You cannot display your wealth and then be surprised that some people want to share it with you.”
Hilarious line…..”share”
Seriously, though..Lagerfeld is scum. The Kardashians/Jenners/West are nouveau riche low-lifes.
I thought that line was hilarious, too.
Why do you think, though, that Lagerfeld is scum? (I say while clutching my gorgeous, hard-to-find Chanel pendant necklace from the 2016-17 Fall/Winter collection … and while anxiously awaiting the new Spring Chanel costume jewelry collection … yes, I’m one of them.)
I am in the group of I hate all things KK. But poor Kim. No one diserves to go though what she went though. And blaming her for this is really the new low. She was sleeping in an apartment she felt was her home. Yes. Even the attention whores like Kim may want to have some alone time expecially in the place she felt safe in. There is nothing wrong with that. I find people’s skepticism regarding reported begging to spear her because she has childeren expecially offensive. She may not be the hands on mom like some of us but that does not mean she does not undestand that her childeren need their mother. I have a small child and since having him I have a very strong sense of self protection, the urge to live and be health becomes very real and very strong when there are small childeren calling you a mom.
I totally disagree with Mr. Lagerfeld. Kim was a victim of an inside job. She was a victim of a collusion of crooks who plotted to rob her. They knew she was going to be alone in her hotel room. What is she supposed to do? Hire an army of heavily armed bodyguards? Or maybe she should lock up her jewels and never wear them outside her home? Kim Kardashian was in a manner of speaking RAPED by those robbers. Do you all know what is like to have a gun pointed at your face? I hope she gets therapy to get over this.
I also agree with Lagerfeld. Saying that Kim was careless in her security and showcasing of her wealth is not the same as saying that she deserves to be robbed or that her robbers should not be convincted or receive a lesser sentence for their crimes. This is only common sense and shutting down any conversation by saying “victim blaming” is not helpful to anyone. I would love to live in a world where i can leave my front door unlocked at night, walk through any part of town wearing expensive jewels or even get drunk with people i dont know well without any of my friends watching over me, however that world doesnt exist and we all need to be vigilant. This DOESN’T in any way lessens the responsability of thieves, and of course one could have the best security and still be attacked, but being careful decreases the probability of it happening
YES!! Thanks for this balanced view. I think that just because I take steps to reduce the chance of a crime being committed towards me, doesn’t mean that people who commit those crimes aren’t 100% responsible. It’s not an either/or….
THANK YOU. We don’t live in a wonderland where people are all good and have pure intentions. Would it be wonderful if we did? Yes. Did Kim deserve what happened to her? Absolutely not. BUT you have to play by the rules of the game you’re in, not the one you wish you were in.
If someone dies in a car crash because they weren’t wearing a seatbelt, it’s not victim blaming to say “It’s tragic that person died but they wouldn’t have if they had been wearing a seatbelt”. Same logic applies here.
Yes your comment is spot-on but don’t be surprised if the Sanctimony Brigade accuses you of victim-blaming anyway.
These KK threads have been fairly devoid of critical thinking lately.
And here I thought my heart was just cold.
People were extrapolating like CRAZY on the last few threads about this, to the point where people were literally accusing others of saying things they never said.
This dude on my FB page (a dick in high school who hasn’t changed apparently) wrote a post about Kim in which he slut-shamed her and said she deserved to have terrible things happen to her replete with this advice: “girls, you are smart and beautiful you don’t need to get naked to prove that. It actually proves the opposite.” All the eye-rolls…
But those are the types of comments that we should be coming down on, not people who gently questioned Kim’s decision-making process when it comes to her expensive jewelry.
Sanctimony Brigade is the best statement today, right next to Grievance Central. Thank you Kitten! 🙂
I tried to be nice in the one comment I made because I saw a lot of backlash, but I am definitely on your level of thinking with this situation, Kitten. The think pieces on this story have been quite… interesting. Is it really about misogyny or is it a dislike of the vapid, social media, reality show, conspicuous consumption crowd that the Kardashians lead?
Agree 100%!
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Agree 100% with your comment, Mrsbump
+2. Exactly….thanks for your common sense take on this.
Thank you. Lemme slow clap for this comment Mrsbump.
Completely agree. Common sense that many of us practice daily.
Precisely! How idiotic for people to scream “VICTIM-BLAMING” for having the audacity to suggest that kim recognize the world we live in and the dangers that come from posting online. We are ALL taught to find ways to MINIMIZE the threats that we face, that does not mean that anyone believes criminals should not be prosecuted for the crimes that they commit.
Very true. We periodically have training at work regarding cyber security & the uses of social media. I get that Kim makes her living this way, but she would be wise to hire a cyber security team in addition to the beefy bodyguards to help her navigate this situation. I feel badly for her & I was impressed with Kanye’s reaction.
Thank you, MrsBump. Well said.
*APPLAUSE*
There is a difference between pointing out risky behavior and blaming the victim. My take on those quotes is that Karl was doing the former but not the latter.
I don’t think it’s about Kim deserving to be punished, it’s about common sense and self-preservation. Obviously people should be able to do whatever they want, but the reality of the world is that there are thieves and criminals out there, and you have to be aware and take steps to minimize your risk. It would be great if it were a perfect world and no one ever harmed another, but that is not reality. We acknowledge that every time we lock our door, lock our car, hold tight to our purse or wallet in a crowded subway, etc. when you let the world know you have millions of dollars in jewels or cash at hand, it is a higher level of it, and more security is needed.
That said, if this all went down like it is being reported, it had to be extremely traumatizing, and I’m sorry for anyone that goes through something like that.
Almost every advisory on travel safety contains the same message: leave your valuables at home. If you must bring valuable items with you, put them in the hotel safe. Also, know the escape routes and security measures within your hotel and how to contact the local police.
Not blaming. Just pointing out important reminders.
I guess the rich and famous are used to having the rules that apply to most people not applying to them.
It’s not about not displaying your wealth, it’s about being safe.
What do you think she should do to be safer?
She could have left the big ring at home.
@Lolo86lf – if there were a vault available, that was not in her room, she should put it there. I go to Disney World with my grandchildren and I put all my “valuables” (purse, any cash I have, any credit cards I won’t use that day, etc) in the small safe they provide in room and take the key with me.
Not call the paps?
Hire a proper security firm that can plan and assess your travel plans. Not stay in an apartment building where access to the door is controlled by one concierge and there are no doormen, security guards and surveillance cameras. Arrive home and immediately deposit the jewels into a safe.
The seem to have been very lackadaisical about security and I’m pretty sure they are revamping their entire security set up tight now. There are plenty of powerful security firms that deal in exactly this type of security.
She can wear her rings and take her children everywhere, while being protected by adequate security in secure venues. Every other long-time celeb does it.
@lolo
stop constantly sharing with the world where you are, for example?
It’s not victim blamey if it’s true. No one deserves to be treated like that and I’m glad she’s okay, but it was stupid to flaunt your wealth publicly and have your whereabouts constantly photographed, while not hiring a security detail.
Perhaps you’re reading the comments wrong?
When people point out the things Kim does to put herself in a position of risk, they are just describing how robberies work and the things we can do to protect ourselves, which in no way means the robbers shouldnt pay for their crimes, or that Kim deserved this.
I still dont think Kim’s specific pictures of her goods had anything to do with this, and displaying wealth like that shields you against robbery more than anything since rich people are far less likely to get robbed, especially people with as much money as Kim. When was the Last time a celeb of Kim’s caliber has been robbed like that? My block has had 4 house robberies so far in 2016. And we’re not rich.
Her telling everyone about her whereabouts, though? I think that may have something to do with it.
I think it’s more about telling everyone where she is and if she is alone or not.
Hope they kept the receipts.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with offering some constructive criticism or advice about how Kim could have protected herself better. My issue was that many people’s immediate reaction was to point out all of the things that Kim supposedly did wrong, without even expressing any sympathy for what she went through. I mean she was attacked in her home in the middle of the night, tied up, gagged, had a gun pointed at her head, and the first thing people do is criticize her? I dunno, it just seemed incredibly cold. Not to mention all the people who claimed that she was lying. At least Karl posted a supportive message.
Also, if this was an inside job, as many suspect, I’m not sure how it could have been prevented.
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It was an inside job which means it could have happened at any point in time to anyone. This was not the case of some Joe working at Walmart checking out snap chat and robbing her. Say what you want about her lifestyle but it didn’t contribute to what happened. There are thousands more just like her in the world doing exactly what she does and never encountering anything remotely similar.
It’s not just Kim, it’s a social media issue, many people have put themselves in really dangerous situations just because they posted their whereabouts, it’s just common sense. Even police officers have addressed this problem before.
Exactly Moonstone, like people that share on Facebook or other media that they are on vacation and then get robbed. I have only friends and family settings on all social media and even I just post my vacation pics AFTER I get back from vacation.
If someone had held a gun to Choupette’s head, Karl would be killing his way to the bad guys like Liam Neeson.
lol…
Choupette like: http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/14/37/nrm_1410291642-choupette.jpeg
Now THAT’S a hilarious visual!
I’m sure choupette keeps her diamonds in a safe
It doesn’t mater how much you have no one has the right to steal it- period. Karl needs to stop the hypocrisy because his whole life is based on conspicuous consumption and encouraging people like Kim to be that way. I don’t care if he’s a private person in his personal life, he makes his living on expensive clothes & jewellery that hold their value and are attractive to thieves because they can be resold for cash. He should have either expressed compassion for her or just said nothing.
Ever since Michael K dubbed him “K**ty Karl” that is all I have ever thought of him as, and he is being true to that nickname once again here.
I don’t think it’s victim blaming at all. It’s common sense. I remember last year when I went to Buenos Aires, I was advised to avoid wearing flashy expensive looking jewelry and bags, etc because like it or not crime happens. Especially in large cities and you don’t want to draw unnecessary attention to yourself.
And I’ve had friends who were mugged in Madrid (at knifepoint), and one that was robbed and roughed at a metro station in Paris. It happens. My first priority is always to look out for me, so yeah, I’m careful and discreet when traveling.
I don’t think anyone is saying she deserved to be robbed. Nobody deserves that. But you can make yourself an easy target, think about it. Let’s say you leave a fancy laptop in your car in plain view, your car is more likely to get broken into than someone who hid their fancy laptop under the seat or placed it in the truck out of site. Should people steal of course not, but we all know it happens and we all take precautions. It’s why we lock car doors and our homes, it’s why we lock up our bikes or remove a tire, it’s why we keep our purses and phones close to us, etc — the list goes on and on.
I think it was complacency as much as anything. It had never happened before so why would it happen now? There was the factor of being so high profile that they felt that it was a safety net from robbers. Their biggest concern were stalkers. Was that naive? Yes. It was a lot of things but hind sight is always 20/20. (Most people feel safe in a place they feel like home in.) They may have not even completely discounted robbery but I don’t think they ever thought about being personally being put in jeopardy.
*Many individuals question her ability to get out of zip ties. I know I can but I took a self defense course with my best friend in college and it was something they taught. It isn’t that difficult depending on how they put them on her even with tape.
I’m not of hers but I do empathize with her at the moment.
I see where he is coming from. I was casually robbed in Latvia a few years ago leaving a club to walk 20 min back to our hostel (and I say casually because the kinda hot russian guy was so low key and flirty as he displayed a knife and basically haggled me for all my cash but let me keep my passport). His colleague even held my drunk “woo girl” type friend the whole time who was laughing about the “russky ambush” but it was scary. Our hostel friends said it was because we were being obnoxious Americans whereas Latvians and others know better than to draw attention plus my friend was tagging our movements on her public instagram all night.
basically, I’m anti social media bragging anymore. I don’t even publish where I go on vacation until I’m home on a private FB. you never know who is watching.
I don’t believe people are saying Kim deserved to be robbed, including Lagerfeld. But if you are constantly posting pictures of your expensive jewlery and valuables, along with up-to-date mentions of your whereabouts on social media, the chances of that information falling into the wrong hands increases greatly. I think it’s wise to downplay signs of wealth to deter thieves. For instance, never display empty boxes of newly purchased items in full view curbside for trash collection. I think it helps to cut back on the chance of being robbed for items they think you have inside your home.
He wasn’t blaming the victim. He’s very rich himself and was giving some good advice about how to minimize attracting thieves. He actually likes Kim and certainly doesn’t think she doesn’t “deserve nice things”. But being very ostentatious about your pricey nice things just doesn’t go well with lack of attention to security. Thieves do monitor social media. She really did make it easier for the invaders, although I’m sure she had felt very safe and she enjoyed the atmosphere there more than other places. At a regular hotel, there would have been more of a buffer between her and the bad guys. Wouldn’t guarantee complete safety, but would have helped quite a bit. Sometimes you just have to make it more difficult for the thieves to decide to go after an easier target. That’s the reason we put locks on our doors. Won’t deter a determined thief, but might make us less attractive than a neighbor who never locks his door. Getting past a locked door takes more time and may require noise. There’s a reason Kim prefers to live in a gated community, it adds another layer of safety.
She’s lucky it wasn’t worse, although the trauma will not be forgotten. Hopefully this will inspire them all to make safer decisions.
If this was kanye west and as we know hes rich and wearing lots of diamonds and everyone knows where he is at I would still blame him for not shelling out the money for full time body guards
You guys on this site are such bleeding hearts, not to mention gullable. I seriously doubt this “crime” even happened in the first place, and in the second, karma is karma. If you want to display your excessive wealth and consumerism and shove it in the faces of people who don’t have shit, don’t be shocked when someone wants a piece of your pie. And how stupid are you all going to feel when it’s revealed this whole thing was a hoax, a la Ryan Lochte?
Every time I’ve given someone in this family the benefit of the doubt it’s come back to bite me in the ass so no, I’m not convinced it happened either. Or at least I’m not convinced that it happened exactly the way she said it did. I’m still half-expecting it to come out that it was staged for the show.
And maybe we’ll never know the real truth.
I guess my point is that Kim getting robbed isn’t something that keeps me up at night. If that makes me a cold bastard then so be it.
Now that made me laugh because I never give this family any benefit of the doubt,
and yet I believe her, that it happened and was an inside job. Funny.
I feel badly for what happened to her and I’m glad her children weren’t there. It’s just…. they’re such stunt queens and literally lie every single day that when something horrible actually does happen I’m just like, “Hope they’re ok” and I move on. I’ve reached complete and total apathy with them and Kanye.
@Tiffany27-Agreed. If she had gotten hurt or worse, my reaction would be completely different. But she emerges unscathed with a story that seems…a tad inconsistent and I can’t help it: the doubt takes over. As you said, it’s good that she’s ok, but I’m not wasting all my feels on it.
@Kitten – I’ve never given them the benefit of the doubt – when people scream their self-absorbed venality, why should we doubt them? – so you’re ‘warmer’ than I am.
Walk tall and enjoy your sleep, just like I’m doing. 😉
Thanks, Guesto. Cheers 🙂
Kitten: Agree w you. I still am NOWHERE near convinced this so-called robbery was authentic, and, even if it was, I just don’t especially care. Almost anybody else–yes, I would have some compassion–but Kim is such a liar and a vapid, vain, vulgar waste of space, that I’m unable to dredge up any actual sympathy or concern. (And I’m generally a very empathetic person.)
I don’t think I would feel stupid at all, although I cannot speak for the rest of the Sanctimony Brigade. I don’t feel sympathy for people in order to be perceived a certain way, for me it’s just a natural reaction even if the person I’m feeling that towards is normally unsavoury.
Anyway, I very much doubt that minds are going to significantly change over this subject, that much is clear over the course of these Kim threads.
At this point we are all just waiting for the investigation. Shrug.
I know you weren’t replying to me but I just wanted to say that I totally get what you’re saying, I really do.
But that’s why those threads were nuts–because it just comes down to a difference in sensibility. You can’t shame people into feeling compassion for someone they aren’t empathetic towards–either you feel it or you don’t.
And I didn’t really feel it for Kim, even though I’m cursed with poor psychic boundaries, even though I’m typically OVER-empathetic to the point where it becomes a problem for me.
I just didn’t feel it.
And maybe that’s because I’m so tired of the Ks ostentatious displays of wealth, their addiction to social media, and their incessant lies and manipulation.
But I just didn’t feel moved by what happened to her.
*shrugs*
I believe her. I think this seems like way too complex a stunt for it to be KUWTK promotion. Plus this sort of crimes have been reported to be a trend in Paris right now.
If it does turn out to be a hoax, though, I wouldn’t be surprised. I wouldn’t be surprised either if they milked the hell out of this story in the show. I’d be very surprised if they didn’t, actually.
I know this is uber-superficial, but Karl is almost repulsive looking: his style would look ridiculous on just about anyone, but especially so on an elderly man. I usually don’t attack people on looks, but he made a lot of problematic comments about the looks of other people, so I don’t feel too bad.
I also don’t get what makes him so talented. Watched his “Chanel” movie with Keira Knightly, for example… Scratched my head for a long time after that one.
I love him, love his style, love his eccentricity, love his refusal to people please but most of all love his talent and vision.
While he may not be to everyone’s taste, he most certainly is talented.
A person can say that they “deserve” this or that, but that won’t ever change the reality of the situation. You alone are responsible for your own safety and security. If you go out into the world with some misguided idea that because you “deserve” something and that other people will simply stop criminal behavior if you only preach enough of the current buzzwords and newspeak, well….you’re frankly nuts. You don’t “deserve” bad things but bad things happen regardless. Rain falls on the just and the unjust alike. If you make foolish decisions despite tons of evidence just to try to prove some kind of point, then the reality is that most people won’t be too brokenhearted over your situation. Mean? Maybe. But again, that’s life. Accept it as it is or rail fruitlessly against it. Whatever floats your boat but others are not obligated to respond to your actions in the way you’d like. Another part of living in reality.
On a semi-related note: You know how there is always a silver lining if you look for it? Wouldn’t it be cool if this incident incited a new trend where the uber-rich stopped gifting million dollar diamonds, and instead gifted charitable donations?
Look, I truly do feel that people can do whatever they want with their money. I get it, it’s THEIR money. But that doesn’t stop me from seeing things like “Kanaye buys Kim a 4 million dollar ring” and thinking “god, what would that $ do for the homeless or veterans or starving kids etc?”
BuT i feel like a lot of things that flashy celebrities buy are for show. Like the time Kanaye sent Kim that wall of flowers that cost some crazy amount of money. Things like that seem to be more about “look what i can afford to do” more than they are about having the nice thing. So by that logic, wouldn’t it be cool if instead of a ring, Kim instagrammed a shot of her notification that Kanaye donated 4 million to the ASPCA in her honor. Then all the celebs that want to outdo each other could start making huge, flashy donations to the charities of their choice. It would be a win win. And robbers can’t steal that. Bonus.
She can flaunt her riches all she wants, I probably would too if I had jewelry like that, but she should have had decent security. The lack of any real security measures is what makes this whole robbery seem so fishy.
I know it sounds cynical, but I have a niggling suspicion that this was all a setup. These two know him reasonably well, and this kind of comment invites the “she was asking for it” comparisons. Kim loves to jump on this moral high ground (see also her “empowering” nude selfie a few months ago).
I agree with him & don’t think he or anyone else is saying she deserved this (at least not on this thread.) However, she is being called out for her lack of common sense. I think people posting their whole lives on social media and where they are at any given moment is extremely naive and dangerous. You don’t know who is watching you. And that goes for the super rich and famous to us regular folks.
The rich and famous should boycott Mr. Lagerfeld over this comment, because it’s very stupid and he could be the next victim of an armed robbery.
“The problem with people “blaming” Kim for her conspicuous consumption is that it feels like those people believe Kim somehow “deserved” to be “punished” for being rich, or having nice jewelry, or for being a woman alone in a private and (what she assumed was) secure location. ”
Instead of assuming what other people are thinking, and immediately being outraged by it, maybe we should just take Karl’s words at face value? He is referring to security, and I think he would’ve made the same comments had Kanye been robbed. Kim, like many others (and many of US) shares a lot on social media, and constantly. She practically announces her whereabouts and movements. While posing with expensive jewellery. To me, its not dissimilar to announcing travel plans on Facebook, ie telling everyone your home is empty & unsecure. She’s not immune to crime, like the rest of us.
I doubt Karl “believes she deserves it”, and while I’m glad shes ok (physically at least), I think a lot of people questioned the story initially because she & her family have a reputation for stunts. SHED FAKED A MARRIAGE/WEDDING FOR RATINGS, in case we need a reminder.
Automatically jumping to outraged/offended mode doesn’t help open dialogue. I’m weary of this.
Same argument in rape cases- she shouldn’t have worn such short skirt. A$$hole.
This is hardly comparable to rape/sexual violation. People are simply pointing out that bad things and maybe, just maybe if Kim wasn’t so busy flossing and telling the world every little detail about her life and whereabouts that this would not have happened.
Again, not blaming but just saying that there are things that you can do to lessen the odds of something like this happening to. What happened to Kim was horrible but it is not remotely close to the psychological and physical trauma (not to mention shaming and victim blaming) that rape victims experience.
Sanctimony Brigade here:
It’s almost exactly the same.
Its a shame it happened but she should have worn such a short skirt, she shouldn’t have gone home alone, she shouldn’t have trusted her male ‘friend’.
This is:
It’s a shame it happened but she should have not posted so much (her business is posting social media), she shouldn’t have flaunted her wealth (her business is aspirational luxury), she shouldn’t have trusted the hotel.
She was assaulted, worried she would be raped or killed, and stolen from.
Would this be considered victim blaming if she actually was raped? Is that what it takes to gain empathy? Maybe not because she’s still Kim K.