If anyone is surprised by this, you haven’t been paying attention. Donald Trump has been named Time Magazine’s Person of the Year. That happens most presidential-election years, by the way. The winner of the election is almost always the Person of the Year. If Hillary had won, she would probably be Person of the Year, but as it is, she was #2 on the shortlist. The shortlist also included (in descending order): The Hackers, Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the CRISPR Pioneers (cancer researchers/doctors) and Beyonce. Personally, I would have f—king loved it if Beyonce was the Person of the Year. Wouldn’t that have been amazing? (You can read Beyonce’s write-up here – it was written by Melissa Harris-Perry.)
As for the selection of Donald Trump… it is what it is. You can read Time’s write-up here. I only skimmed a few paragraphs. It’s not that I’m boycotting the news these days, it’s just that I have a really low tolerance for the narrative re-write on Donald Trump. I tried watching Hardball last night and I almost broke my TV because all of the white guys were still trying to push this idea of “maybe he won’t be that bad.” WAKE UP. He will be that bad. And worse. So, yeah, I’m not reading Time Magazine’s POTY article. Establishment Washington and establishment media are working together to normalize a fascist.
Photos courtesy of Getty, cover courtesy of Time Magazine.
well hitler “won” it once i think so yeah it sums up 2016 pretty perfectly
Gross … sickening … nauseated when I saw this. The person of the year should be Comey.
Did Hitler win this once? Well it makes sense then I guess. Sad. Sad.
Stalin won it, too.
It’s the person who was in the news the most. It has nothing to do with their qualities.
Exactly. This isn’t necessarily an honor, and Time kind of makes that clear.
And yet, Trump is acting as if it is an honor. I doubt he reads the article either. Doesn’t matter if it’s flattering or not. It just feeds his ego either way.
That’s true. It’s not a Nobel Prize. That’s why I’m very meh about it.
He is a hugely controversial figure on the brink of becoming President and turning the American government into a get richer quicker scheme at everyone’s expense, even the suckers that voted for him. Time’s choice makes sense, sadly.
Trump has an insatiable appetite for attention and so “thanks” Times for giving him more. His cup runneth over. Negative, positive or in between, he simply doesn’t care. He is thrilled his mug is on the cover. Just one more thing for him to brag about.
Thanks for the education, ladies!
I feel much better now.
Rachel you are so correct! He will tweet about how he is trending, he doesn’t care that 90% will be negative all he cares about is that his name is top for trending topics.
And Trump takes ZERO responsibility for dividing the country. I do like that Time has The Divided States of America on the article. Trump pretends he is a uniter, but we in the US will show him he’s wrong.
Time makes it clear with the RED HORNS of the “M” over his nasty head. LOL such an arse. We are all screwed.
The orange thing is a cult leader. He hired a white supremacist to exploit fears and made an “us and them” narrative of white males & “hot” white females s vs everyone else. His minions were promised a better life but instead feel the anguish of being on the wrong side of history. I had no idea how fear gripped and hypnotized the white masses with conspiracy theories all the while demonizing legitimate news sources and fact checking. I guess I’ve been in an humanitarian bubble and completely ignored the monster of the alt right- I dismissed it as ineffective and inane- it’s absurd but sadly a cult that took our country
Hitler, Stalin, and Bin Laden. It is not a compliment.
Exactly right…the criteria is NOT about being a great human being and often just the opposite, but, Trump, with his YUGE ego, will brag about being on the cover for eternity.
I was Time’s Person of the Year in 2006! Are you saying that wasn’t an honor?! Should I take it off my resume?
Putin and Ayatollah Khomeini also got the Time POTY. The Trump cover is so horrible it should be put on the high shelf with the dirty magazines.
Ohhhhhhhhhh, ok. So, I won’t be shocked and upset anymore, 🙂
*sigh* the “everyone who doesnt think like me or follow the establishment narrative is Hitler/a white nationalist/a russian hacker/fascist/fake news” argument is so basic. Throw comparisons/terms like that around so easily they lose their shock value.
Take Bernie’s advice: “if you come after the American people, i will fight you every way. But if you want to help all people, i will work with you”
Main word? IF.
We teach children to shake hands after a hard game, to not call each other names, and to work hard and well with others….can adults not do the same?
I don’t understand your comment.
Seems like you’re insinuating that Trump wants to help all people.
…and how has he shown us this, exactly? Or are we just supposed to believe him because that was a huge part of his campaign platform; “making America great again” by delivering jobs to the white working class?
Completely agree. My respect for real journalists who are listening to both (all?) sides in a legitimate effort to understand and seek common ground and build bridges is few and far between because they don’t seem to exist in numbers they should.
Van Jones’ work in post election coverage in this arena has been stellar.
This. 1000 ++++
Excellent points, Lana, thank you.
Amen
It would be stupid and irresponsible not to call it what it is. You’re taking it as an insult. But it’s an explanation of what Trump’s divisive, deceptive, racially coded messaging actually is. If you find it insulting, well follow that train of thought please.
Bernie’s advice is Bernie’s. It didn’t come out of Trump’s mouth.
I advise you to read Bernie’s book to clear that up, he wasn’t actually supporting Trump, he is saying that if Trump steps out of the line just once, he will be there to resist.
Considering that Trump makes a disaster a day without being president yet, you can count on Sanders to provide opposition.
@bonbon Van Jons and Jake Trapper are the only tv journalist still in this with respect. The Washington post seems to be holding his feet to the fire and expecting honesting.
As for this time thing they give it to the person who impacted the year Bin Laden won it in 2001 and wasn’t Hitler the man of the millenium or century? They don’t give it to heros it’s not hey this person was amazing they give it to people who did something and Donald Trump tore apart our nation in a way I’m not sure it can be repaired again.
Of course, we have to work with others and make some compromises. That is the only way a democracy works. However, let’s not forget or let the press forget that Trump has some extremely unsavory people around him. My family fears the anti- LGBT Vice President elect and others like Jerry Falwell Jr. from Liberty University [a blight on our state], the Family Research Council [labeled a hate group by The Southern Poverty Law Center]. These people and institutions are not merely “people who do not think like me”; they have an agenda to deprive my child of her civil rights. Late in life [64] I am going to be obnoxious in pointing out these facts and keeping an eye on this administration. To those who say I am overreacting, I will say what I always do: Is your child part of the LGBT community?
Hitler is being mentioned because Hitler was the TIME man of the year. People are pointing out that it is NOT a celebration of the person. I also named Bin Laden and other than the fact that they both embraced evil, he has no similarities to Trump. However, Hitler actually does. The rhetoric is frighteningly similar.
Kitten I’m right beside you on this….I don’t understand the comment. I do know as an American I can like or dislike whom I chose, whether it is the president elect or not. I don’t accept him, I think he is a sociopath who doesn’t have a clue. He so far is making a mockery of our Nation and appears doesn’t understand or feel obligated to honor the First Amendment; i.e., his tweet that anyone burning the flag should be incarcerated or worse. This is why we are Americans, we have the right to disagree with our government, we are not a third world nation…..yet. So whatever the intent of the comment, I won’t shake the hand of trump or honor his title. It is the first time in my life I felt this way about a president elect and it is the worst feeling ever. *I am not advocating flag burning, it is disgusting, but not against the law* trump needs to read the Constitution and get to know the Supreme Court. Not building and bankrupting hotels or hosting reality tv shows any more donald.
Lana, could you please link us to the similar comment you made to the eight year Obama haters re their unending lies, insults and obstruction? Thanks, I’ll check back later for the link.
@lana
Why should we do that? When Obama was elected, the Republican leaders told us how they didnt support Obama. They have done everything in their power to block anything Obama has tried to do. His whole Presidency! and then talked about how Obama hasnt done anything! They didnt let him. And i bet you were one of them who belittled and put down Obama at every turn. Now that your party has put a racist in power, you want us to come together? This race has shown just how hypocritical Republicans are. I will come together and support Trump exactly as much as the Republicans supported Obama. Which is zero. I will never claim the racist birther Trump as my President.
I find little balm in Bernie’s message as a woman of LGBTQ persuasion. I’m sure he means well, but it’s a little hard to swallow this idea that I should feign cooperation and presume Trump will behave contrary to his own words. There’s a privilege in waiting for Trump to follow through with his threats. Not all of us have that.
The “IF” has already happened! Trump’s appointments so far paint a VERY clear picture that he is looking to double down on his bigotry and oppression. His cabinet choices show that he’s going to put his threats into action.
You can poo poo the Hitler comparisons all you want, but my Jewish family members mean too much to me to take it lightly when swastikas and hate crimes are happening in increased numbers after the election. The safety of our citizens requires that we do not take his stoking of bigotry lightly.
^ Also to add to what Tiffany said some of the people making that comparison are Jews who suffered under Hitler. They came to America to start a new life which was a brave thing to do. The United States became their home and their refuge after being put through so much suffering and hate. It breaks my heart that now in their golden years they saw the rise and election of someone that reminded them of Hitler and symbols of hate from their past are becoming common place again. They may not be the minority bearing the brunt of the racism now but it has to hurt to see the dangerous ideas you escaped begin to florist here and have to wonder what that mean for your children and grandchildren, the people they sacrificed and left their homeland to protect. Their warnings have been dismissed far too easily.
Lana, you said “we teach children to shake hands” after a hard fought competition. We also teach children not to lie or have tantrums or be mean bullies. We teach them to learn and read and to be insightful. I actually feel assaulted by Trump and his ugly rhetoric and all the things he has done and hasn’t, like show this taxes, during the campaign. I want him to be punished not rewarded. Shaking hands with a snake is difficult.
Trump had a great opportunity in making appointments to show that he was not the man that he seemed to be. He hasn’t done that. He’s assembled a cohort of extremists. Another clear indication of his attitude and intentions, if any more were needed.
Have you seen his appointments?? Jeff Sessions as Atty General?? He approved of the KKK and called a black colleague “boy.” Flynn?? He is BATSHIT CRAZY. The new head of the EPA doesn’t believe in the EPA. Jeez. Clueless.
Are you having trouble finding that link I asked for, Lana?
I get the hate but having lost family members during the holocaust and hearing first hand the horror stories from people I love and respect, it sickens me more that people are comparing Hitler to Trump than Trump being president.
@Dani- Trump being compared to Hitler is his own fault. The similarities are his doing.
I think most people aren’t comparing Trump to 1943 Hitler but to 1933 Hitler. Their fascist populism and rhetoric are scarily similar.
Hitler wasn’t always murderous thug Hitler. It took time and a methodical process to get him there. That’s where the comparison is valid. Look at pre WWII Hilter’s rise to power.
Trump is very dangerous because he has an actual neo-Nazi advising him. He also cannot take criticism. He’s also very irrational. He also took a very divide and conquer approach in his campaign. And he’s fundamentally ignorant when it comes to foreign relations and his advisors are already exploiting that ignorance to serve their own hidden agendas.
If you think it can’t get comparably bad, think again. All it would really take is one false flag operation to throw the world into chaos. We can’t be in denial about what we’re potentially facing. It’s not dramatic. It’s prudent. We’ve gotta be vigilant and we have to educate people. Because I guarantee you, the average American can’t define fascism or name a fascist dictator past or present. But we need to know and recognize the signs.
Hitler was a regularly elected statist and also a populist leader. He didn’t come out of a box and started killing Jews. All my grandparents went through Mussolini’s time and they would have all told you that before going down the wrong path, what Mussolini’s and the fascist party preached was something appealing and approved by the Italian population in the 1920s.
A lot of people who voted for Hitler in the early days didn’t care as much about his Jewish agenda as his financial policies. He promised to increase German production, create jobs, lower unemployment, increase military spending, rebuild the army and deal with the harsh treaty of Versailles. He portrayed Germany as a great country that was being victimized by other countries but could regain its place in the world. He blamed many of the country’s problems on a minority population and promised to level the playing field for Germans. Hitler had been a pretty comical figure after the Beer Hall Putsch and wasn’t taken seriously by mainstream German politicians, but his image had been overhauled entirely by the time he came to power. The Nazis relied heavily on propaganda and had nazi news outlets to spread their “news.” Hitler was famous for using short phrases he repeated often to sell his ideas to the people. Once he was in power he appeared to have a high tolerance of corruption by his officials, but many Germans gave him a pass on that since he had improved their economy. He was actually heralded by several prominent Americans for his governance, including Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford.
Sound familiar? This is why you keep hearing comparisons.
Didn’t Trump keep a book of Hitler’s collected speeches by his bedside while married to Ivanka?
Why, yes, he did.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8
Bleu Moon,
Your response is completely on point, but also sickeningly frightening. It’s like reading the news about today. People I know personally are using that same rhetoric, “we have to put the economy first and then we can worry about everything else,” right now.
Please stay woke. Stay active. Stay inspired. Stay together.
If we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.
We have a lot to learn and as a country some of the same reasons that gave Hitler power are the same -ish reason for Trumps win. Changing economic climate, workers feeling marginalized and forgotten, etc… There are some differences, the 1st being Hitler actually lost the election in 1932. But in a move that forever changes history he was appointed Chancellor on the misguided notion that he could be controlled once he was in the cabinet.
Sounds like something else we have heard this whole election, once elected he will change, he will become Presidential, we can control him. Hitler feeling some in his party (SA) would get in the way were ordered to be purged in the Night of the Long Knives. Not saying Trump is going to order the bloody murder of those who will get in his way, but he has already shown he will metaphorically cut off the legs of those who cross him, is petty and vindictive, holds a grudge.
So yes the comparisons to Trump and Hitler and similar leaders in our past are very warranted and appropriate.
We make the comparisons because the rhetoric and condition of the country closely reflect the rise of the Third Reich. If we can’t draw comparisons to our own history, it’s pointless to learn it. WWII is a warning as to what can happen when a charismatic but uneducated figurehead utilizes the civil unrest of a country to further his own ambitions. The Holocaust is a warning of what can happen when a frustrated people are told to blame that civil unrest on a minority group. It is not only prescient but beholden of us to acknowledge these parallels when we recognize them, especially when the stakes are the lives of millions.
It has to do with who is going to sell the most issues, not about the content of someone’s character .
Not just Hitler, but Stalin and Putin have also been Times “Man of the Year”. It’s not necessarily an honor.
Apparently the OrangeLoompa has the intention of starting his media-cleansing from SNL:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trump-doubles-down-on-saturday-night-life-attacks-claiming-itll-be-canceled-soon/
“Establishment Washington and establishment media are working together to normalize a fascist”. Kaiser, well said, I’m with you 100% on this.
Yeah, and Obama won it when he became President too. In fact, so was Eisenhower, Reagan, Carter, Clinton and the Bushes.
But don’t let that get in the way of your eye-roll worthy comparison.
Butler was also Time magazine’s person of the year, so….
For good or for bad, he is the most relevant person of the year. There’s not a single person these days who doesn’t have an opinion on him. Notice it says “Divided States Of America”.
Can we stop with the ‘half the people in the united states voted for him’ bullshit? Not only did he NOT win the popular vote by a huge margin – only HALF the country even voted. This country is no more divided than it was 4 or 8 years ago. MOST of Americans are not here for Trump and Co bigotry.
AMEN, Moussyb.
Well, I never said that. I merely pointed out what it says on the cover.
Not just the states. World wide.
Person of the year has never been about ‘good’ people only.
My thoughts exactly. As others have said, it’s not Time’s “Good person of the year”, after all. Considering that they’ve also named Hitler, Putin, Nixon (twice!), and Ken Starr as POTY, Trump being there this year isn’t shocking to me.
This is very true, yet it still feels like a way of honoring/celebrating him somehow.
I think for the people who only read headlines, that sentiment might be true. And sadly, many people only read headlines. But Time can’t allow that to factor into their decisions. I don’t think they should dumb it down for people.
With a year as s*itty as 2016, POTY was probably never gonna be a feel good choice. That’s how the cookie crumbles.
I’m gonna beg all the deities to have mercy in 2017. That’s the big plan. LOL
Trump has already come out and stated that the “Divided States…” does not mean him as he hasn’t even taken office yet.
He’s a complete moron and so are his supporters(apologists).
Gross
I’m certainly not surprised, but I continue to be disgusted by any “positive” press he receives…something I probably need to get over because four years is a long damn time. Sigh.
I am not sure that being named Time Magazine’s “Person of the Year” is supposed to be a negative or a positive thing – it’s merely stating the obvious. For better or worse (most certainly the latter) this orange ball of spit, spite and hate will be influencing lives of millions of people all over the world for the next (let’s hope only) four years.
Exactly. Honestly, I expected him to get it. Person of the Year is not meant to be positive or negative, and although I really dislike Trump, I think he’s the obvious choice. Hitler was Man of the Year too, as many of you pointed out.
I saw a suggestion that said the Grim Reaper should have been “person” of the year. I could get behind that.
It’s meant to be an impassive, neutral observation, I think.
….But it still feels like an honor somehow. Does that make sense?
Eh. Maybe I’m just sick of seeing his ugly mug everywhere.
Exactly Kitten…it feels like positive press to me, at least that’s the way he will spin it. Barf.
It’s not a compliment, but Trump will interpret and spin this as one. I can just see his tweet write itself…
He already has said that he is deeply honored. Saw the soundbite this morning.
The person of the year is someone who influences the discussion of the year the most, don’t people read the reasoning? Hitler won it. This is not some positive award and Trump deserved it in terms of how talked he was.
What a waste of a cover. Trump is a puppet. They should have named racist enabler Jared Kushner, actual racists Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon, or the major player Putin as person of the year. Not that orange bag of maggots.
Time magazine continues to suck.
Agreed. If we could personify “fake news,” or “post-truth,” it’s the real story. I guess Steve Bannon would the best choice to represent what really enabled Trump to become POTUS.
And he (Trump) used the interview to promote hate. Again. 2016 blows. Save us, electoral college.
Yeah, Electoral College. Do your job! Protect us from idiotic votes!
Sadly they won’t. The faithless elector in Texas is going to vote for Kasich (because apparently Party is more important than country), and at least eight DEMOCRATIC electors are going to be casting their ballots for a Republican instead of Clinton (I guess in an effort to “reach across the aisle” to Republicans? Because that has always worked out SO WELL for Democrats?) Voting for anyone other than Clinton will just result in the election being thrown to the House (because then neither Trump nor Clinton would get 270 EC votes), and the House will vote to elect Trump.
I’ve really lost all hope in our system of government. I had honestly just assumed that, if by some chance Trump won the election, the electors would vote for Clinton because that’s what they’re there for – to ensure that the people don’t elect an unqualified demagogue with ties to foreign governments. I mean, if the electors are not going to act now, then when? If they don’t act now, then we need to make a concerted effort to get rid of the EC (but that’s an uphill battle given that Republicans control most states and Congress, and the EC is the only way Republicans get win the presidency now).
Julp- I thought electors had to vote for someone on the ballot? Not just anyone?
@Rapunzel, there is no rule or law that requires electors to vote for someone on the ballot; they are technically free to cast their ballots for whomever they choose (though several states have passed laws aimed at punishing “faithless electors”). This is a good resource for info on electors: https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#restrictions
Who else. He woke up the dead and scared the living to death. Steam rolled over the country and caught us asleep. But I won’t live in fear of this person or what may happen to our country, only forge ahead and make sure he doesn’t destroy us. Anybody have any hints on how I do this???
Personally i’m glad this happened because FINALLY people understand why they need to be engaged and informed and challenge the status quo. Not just on the Trump side of things, but all across the board. We are all responsible for this calamity, not just Trump supporters because we slept through it and or just assumed that others would take care of it.
There are poor decisions made by people we like that got a pass, but now the Trump is in this position, those poor decisions will not be given a pass and that can only be a good thing because the rose tinted spectacles have been removed and we see more clearly the self-interest inherent in politics.
To resist, come to California.
Eh I have family in San Diego who are the most rabid Fox News-listening Trump-loving people I’ve ever met. Trumpsters are everywhere.
Eric and Kitten- lifelong Californian here, and CA is not as liberal as people think. I’m in the central valley, surrounded by Trump supporters. Honestly, many areas of CA are red and conservative. CA just has huge liberal hubs like SF and LA which keep it blue overall. But the central valley is quite red. Farmers here think Trump is fantastic.
There are resistance groups springing up all over the country. Don’t move to California or Canada to fight. Bloom where you’re planted and get involved.
I need to stay in Massachusetts where state law prohibits discrimination by health insurers against pre-existing conditions. And our AG Maura Healey has pretty much declared war on Trump.
If l live, I am moving to Eureka.
repulsive.
There’s “make the best of it” and then there’s this.
I wonder if TIME is aware of how much this can negatively affect their readership.
The more people and the media try to normalize and excuse him, the more he’ll get away with.
Truly frightening.
I’m not surprised. The thing is, this isn’t necessarily an honor, but Trump will think it is.
Yeah the few Trumpsters in my FB feed are already proudly sharing this 🙄
I guess that’s kind of my problem with this cover: it’s intended to be neutral and not commit to an opinion about Trump. But that leaves the door open for people who love Trump (and Trump himself) to view it as an honor.
Ugh.
Any Trumpster that thinks him being on the Time cover with “divided states of America” is an honor just proves how dumb he/she is. That cover is clearly insulting.
Skin crawling off my body…..
This
I will never understand his hair.
The Donald himself doesn’t understand his own hair.
He looks exactly like a soap opera villain on that cover. The town tycoon who rigged the mine to blow up so he could pocket the insuarance money and pinned it on his handsome half brother, Storm.
LOL great comment! If only it were true. 🙁
Ramona, you rock!!
LOL. Great comment. If only this was a tv show and he could be foiled at the end.
If you didn’t read the article, may I ask how you feel qualified to comment on it? No snark intended.
If you cannot prove who has or has not read the article, may I ask how you feel qualified to comment on their comments. All snark intended.
The writer literally says she only skimmed a few paragraphs which means she didn’t read the article. Good lord, there was no need to be aggressive was there?
Yes, there is because you were not clear on who you were typing out your response to.
It means that she only read parts of the article and not the whole thing, one is not the same as the other. I read the whole thing and it was not worth the read. It acknowledges that a good chunk of what he said was gross, but somehow ok because he was able to speak to white people in the rust belt (as if they are the only people that matter in this country), makes false equivalencies (using Obama’s words in comparison to Trump’s bs, normalizes the coded racism in some of his voters. There is literally a quote in the article from a Trump supporter who said “he speaks to the average American” why did no one ask her what an “average American”? Why not push Kellyanne or anyone else on any of their racist nonsense?
The working class are not just white people, “real Americans” are not just poor or lower middle class white people but the article implies that they are and are more important than every other group in this country.
So because I wasn’t clear on who I directed my comment towards you believe you had the right to be aggressive? That seems like an overreaction.
So, you are just going to pretend that I did not write two paragraphs about the article that you encouraged the article writer to fully read, I thought you wanted us to come together.
Also, please look at the number next to your comment and then look at what you wrote. Because you did not direct your comment to Kaiser, you could be directing your comment to any of the comments above yours. She gave her reasons as to why she did not want to finish it. Why did you feel the need to subtly chastise her for something that she already gave her reasoning for in the same article.
Boosting his ego? Thanks jerks.
They picked the correct photo – evil incarnate.
Evil incarnate? Really? Trump is bad, his previous actions and the ones we can be sure he will make in the future based on his advisors show that, but referring to him as Gil incarnate at this stage is problematic.
Problematic? Really? I think evil incarnate is going easy on him. Let me guess, you voted for him because you’re “concerned about the economy.”
Incorrect, Esmom, I did not vote for Trump but thank you very much for assuming my own motivations and who I am as a person. As someone with experience in history and particularly the rise of dictators, I do find the use of the word evil here problematic. We need to come together in these troubling times, not further apart. Please don’t assume I am a trump supporter, I was one of his most vocal adversaries.
Oh here we go…why would that be problematic?
Is “evil” considered a slur now? How would you describe a man who is dishonest, selfish, immoral, greedy, misogynistic, arrogant, racist, bloviating, delusional, xenophobic, uncaring, egotistical, haughty, ignorant, defensive, and emotionally stunted?
Evil by definition means “profoundly immoral and malevolent” and I think “evil” summarizes Trump quite succinctly.
@hermy- Refusing to label evil for what it is allows evil to win. Stop with the appeasement talk. Coming together just allows for normalization and that’s a victory for evil.
You are making very good points Kitten and I agree with everything you have said about Trump, however I also feel that people are getting themselves so focused on what Trump is or isn’t you are missing the bigger picture. I would also love to know what your response would be had HRC won and Trump supporters were acting in his way (they would have without a doubt). Expressing your opinion is great and I love the fact people are into politics but what worries me is gown divided we are allowing ourselves to become. Appeasement is important, regardless of who you voted for. Calling Trump all of these names won’t change anything, actions will.
He spews racist views and incites violence. That is evil.
@Hermy
I don’t think you or people who say similar things to what you are saying are getting it. Telling someone to politely be quiet is not going to help “us” come together. It never has and never will. If this election and Obama’s two terms has shown us anything, it shows that there never was a collective “us”. We are all in our own little groups and have been fighting and either winning or losing since the first refugees arrived on these shores centuries ago.
@ Hermy- if HRC as President-Elect started to assemble a cabinet full of politically inexperienced neo Nazis, settled a $25M fraud lawsuit (an admission of guilt), had clear business conflicts of interest, refused to live in the White House full time at the taxpayers expense, lobbied the UK to give a major diplomatic post to her political ally, talked to world leaders on an unsecured phone line, given key campaign positions to family members, called Taiwan’s president Tsai, denounced and denied climate change, vowed to dismantle the ACA, Social security, and Medicaid…..just for starters…
…and this is to say NOTHING of this man’s moral character, which is nonexistent.
But yes if HRC was doing what Trump has done in the past month, I would be perfectly ok with people calling her evil, or at the very least an utterly unqualified oligarch. But you know, semantics….
The problem I have with people comparing Trump to other presidents or presidential candidates like HRC is that we’ve never seen anything like Trump before. It is virtually unprecedented for the US to have a reality tv show host with ZERO political experience as POTUS.
Given that fact, I think the criticisms are to be expected. Hell, they are WARRANTED in this case.
” I would also love to know what your response would be had HRC won and Trump supporters were acting in his way.”
That’s laughable, Hermy. They supposedly “won” and they’re still acting that way. Their entire attitude is “Fvck you, losers, we’ll do whatever we want to.” I believe if HRC were declared the winner there would be all out war.
His plan to deprive me of access to medically necessary health care because I had the audacity to survive cancer is pure evil.
It would go a long, long way to healing and restoring unity if the President-elect would acknowledge that the majority of voters chose someone else, without his lies about illegals, and acknowledged that HE has to reach out to us, to understand us, not just order us to obey him, and he needs to tell Paul Ryan to wipe the smug smirk off his face and stop lying about “mandates.”
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But ultimately…..he pretty much is. (Shrugs). The psychological desire is that the designee is a universally recognized force of good…..but that isn’t the criteria used by Time. And lord knows no one got more attention this year…….
Considering the media’s refusal to engage in honest and reliable journalism, this does not surprise me at all. The Grifter in chief and his family are already trying to bleed people dry.
The picture is interesting. You can see the detail of the armchair pretty well and although it is the Donald, it’s not a golden chair or something reeking of tacky money. And he is turning his back to us, except for the head. His look of defying and almost menacing. The photographer was definitely not pro-Trump.
Or I may be reading it all wrong!
Well the stylist certainly had his/her own personal ‘f*ck you’ party with the hair.
Hahaha…thanks, I needed that!
Agreed! And do you notice that the M above his head looks a little bit like horns?
That’s the first thing that caught my eye was the appearance of red devil horns coming out of his head.
Gross….
And this will just distract from the Air Force One whining and lying that Trumplethinskin engaged in yesterday. Which in turn was a tactic to get to use his own private jet and charge the government (SS) for rides. I swear it pisses me off how much his money grabbing is being ignored.
And taking credit for a deal with a Japanese firm that was in the works prior to the election.
And the Carrier union head calling him a liar on that deal.
Was just reading about that last night. WTF.
I also watched Noam Chomskys 20 min speech on Democracy Now about Trump and climate change. It was f*cking straight-up terrifying.
ETA: Rapunzel- what now?
Kitten- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/06/he-got-up-there-and-lied-his-a-off-carrier-union-leader-on-trumps-big-deal/?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1
Thanks Rapunzel. Just shared on social media.
There was even more to the Boeing shananigans yesterday. He lied about the contract but it had the effect he wanted – Boeing stock fell yesterday. He sold his own shares in June but yesterday’s stunt caused stock prices to fall and his cronies can buy it up at a cheaper price. And this was triggered by an an article in the Chicago papers. Prepare for more insider trading attacks on businesses. This jerk has no concept of ethics.
And the SS won’t approve of the use of his plane. It lacks security features
Lightpurple- watch Trump get taxpayers to foot the bill for retrofitting his plane with the proper security features, as a cheaper alternative… It wouldn’t surprise me. It wouldn’t actually surprise me if SS just let him do whatever. He’s getting away with so much crap.
And that stock stuff re: Boeing is disgusting.
@Rapunzel, I think he’ll try but the already rejected it. The new planes (there’s more than one) won’t be used by him anyway. They aren’t scheduled for completion until 2023. He isn’t likely to finish a first term, never mind a second. In the meantime, he’s going to have to learn how to poop in regular toilets and regular airplane toilets. And there will be media on Air Force One.
I expect today or tomorrow that we will learn that he will personally profit from that Japanese bank deal.
@lightpurple- I hope they do make him use AF1. It’ll kill him to fly in a plane that doesn’t have his name on it. But, I’ll believe it when I see it. He’s been running everything how he wants so far. But if you read they denied it, that’s a good sign.
As for the Japanese deal, of course we are going to find out he profited. He’s gonna profit from his entire administration, as will his cronies. So gross.
Beyond gross. If not Obama or Michelle what about someone who actually is a person to be admired from 2016 – someone we could discuss at the dinner table.
The pipeline protesters that just succeeded in their cause. That would be my vote. But not even an honorable mention…..
YES!!! Standing Rock Water Protectors are doing the incredible. When we celebrate the brave, the intelligent, the spiritually connected we write new narratives.
you guys don’t like that trump calls names, and yet here you are calling him names. why?
He is the person of the year…because he did that hardest thing in the world to do…run (and win) the presidency of the united states.
Not so hard when you’re willing to lie through your teeth on a daily basis about pretty much everything, play to the worst fears in humanity and discriminate against the vulnerable.
Well regardless of how he won, he won.
Maybe if Hillary had run a better campaign we would not be here, but we are. Maybe Sanders would have beat him, it’s water all under the bridge now.
Nope, Hillary is not to blame, she tried … maybe if Trump supporters had not overlooked or condoned this pussygrabbing lying bigot we would not be here.
This is the Trumpeters’ new song: “if HRC had been a better candidate…”
…then what? You would have voted for her? Nope. Nobody believes that. She was the most qualified presidential candidate we’ve seen in DECADES and that STILL wasn’t enough for her to appeal to you guys. You wanted a “political outsider” who would play into your magical thinking and you got it in the form of the greatest con artist this country has ever seen.
And blaming HRC does nothing to absolve you of your responsibility in voting for an unqualified mess of a human being.
It’s interesting to see the reaction from people who voted for Trump and are slowly recognizing what a nightmare this guy is turning out to be. They’re all so defensive and blameless. As I said on the last thread, I assume we will be hearing a lot of “But Hillary…” over the next four years, as this horrific oligarchy unfolds before our eyes.
stop making excuses for her. Why did she spend august in the hamptons rather then wisconsin? Why did she use a private email server?
These are legitimate questions, and frankly “but trump” is not an answer. This is exactly what wahlberg was talking about.
@the other guy- She spent August in the Hamptons preparing for her debates! To reach the audiences not only in Wisconsin but all over. But of course Trump knows nothing about preparation. And if you do your homework you know she used a private server because her predecessors did!! And you would also know that there are many many folks guilty of far worse crimes. One of those guys is Petraeus, and he’s up for Sec State despite needing to check in with a flipping PROBATION OFFICER!! So much for Donnykins’ moral outrage.
@Rapunzel this is … not true she was fundraising. With donors. While trump went to Wisconsin and Michigan twice.
It looked like she could not care less about ordinary Americans, and trump pretended too. That’s why he won.
OMFG HILLARY IS NOT PRESIDENT!!
what don’t you understand about this?
Nobody has to explain what Clinton did 6, 7 months ago or even 10 years ago! Her actions are not in question because she’s not running this country into the ground like Orange Hitler is.
You and other Trump-supporters who invoke her name as a way to deflect are so pathetically transparent. You voted for a malevolent, unqualified mess to run this country. Stop whining about the woman who didn’t win and start putting your focus where it SHOULD be: squarely on the shoulders of the guy you elected.
@ the other guy- you’re right. I was getting August mixed up with September, which was when she prepared for the first debate. So yeah, she probably was fundraising in the Hamptons. But fundraising is what candidates do, so I don’t get the outrage.
“Trump went to Wisconsin and Michigan twice, so he was a better candidate” seems to be your argument. Which is ridiculous. Wisconsin and Michigan voters had a responsibility to vote for the best candidate no matter how many times they visited or didn’t visit. That was not Donald Trump, and if his visits were the criteria being used to determine his suitability, that’s appalling. The Presidency is not a popularity contest.
You keep saying that Hillary didn’t act like she cared. I say it’s babyish to complain about being abandoned when there’s so many other things to worry about.
The bigots here who wouldn’t vote for a woman would not have voted for a Jewish guy. Her campaign managed to get the most votes. Maybe if places like Wisconsin did not unconstitutionally gerrymander with the intent of suppressing democratic votes, as a court found it did, we would be looking at different results but yes, as you say it is all water under some condemned, dilapidated bridge.
I gave him a chance. He blew it within 48 hours. I will not be silent. I will call him out on every ethical lapse, every lie, every constitutional violation, every security and diplomatic blunder, every bigoted word, every bad appointment, every policy decision that will hurt people and this country. I will contact my legislators, the Speaker, and the Senate leader. I will make phone calls and write letters and respond to all his Tweets. I will submit testimony on his proposed regulatory changes to the federal register. I will stand in loyal opposition to save my country from fascism.
Hahahahaha at the “give Trump a chance” talk. He had his chance. It was his campaign. I didn’t even consider voting for him because I didn’t want him to have a chance to run the country. He blew his chance with me before he was even elected. There was two seconds after his election when i thought he’d pivot and maybe earn a chance, but that passed. So no. No chance from me. Not till he earns it. So tired of old white male billionaire entitlement. You do not deserve a chance for nothing. You still have to earn it.
This is false. Bernie has polled 13 points ahead of donald.
She was a bad candidate, just admit it.
Hillary was polling about 85% before this thing started. Things change once the process starts. Socialism will never fly in America when tested.
I bet even Bernie is sick and tired of the bernie bros.
Please I’m hardly a bernie bro. Just noting the fact the 10000000 excuses made for hillary doesn’t excuse the fact she didn’t campaign in the midwest.
She was a bad, out of touch candidate, and that’s why she lost.
Bad candidates do not garner 2.7 million more votes than their opponent. Hillary Clinton recieved 2.7 million more votes than Donald Trump. More people in this country voted for Hillary Clinton than they did for Donald Trump. There were less people who wanted Donald Trump as their President than there were who wanted Hillary Clinton as their President. Donald Trump did not receive as many votes as Hillary Clinton. The number of votes Hillary Clinton received was more than the number of votes Donald Trump received.
I’ve said it as many was as possible so that hopefully you understand it. Now with that in mind, explain your reasoning behind the assertion that Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate.
Let me guess: “Benghazi! Emails!” Who f*cking CARES at this point?
Meanwhile Trump is already showing himself to be an unmitigated disaster and no amount of But Hillary-ing will change that.
Who really cares about the popular vote? That’s not how things are done and frankly why should Hillary be president because NYC and LA said so? You guys need to stop with the excuse. People in the midwest (including blacks, latinos) are hurting and politics is not about hanging with celebs and fundraising. You have to speak to people, hear them out, hear their pain. She was the first democrat to lost WI and MI in over 30 years. That’s embarrassing!.
If Hillary had done that, she would be POTUS. She chose to hang out with Lena and donors in the Hamptons.
@ the other guy
The polls also had Hilary winning. Polls mean jack sh-t.
She was a qualified candidate with a hell of a lot more experience than Bernie. She actually started her campaign including as many people as possible. He only spoke to white people. Minority voters had to reach out to Bernie for him to actually try to speak to all Americans.
Her private email servers don’t matter and never did. If they did, she would have been brought up on charges.
Why hasn’t Trump opened the blind trust? Why is he taking credit for deals he did not actually make?
If the servers didn’t matter, why did so many people for trump, and not just white people either. I’m black and I felt Bernie did a good job. You didn’t, fine. The black hillary fans in the media actually seem more concerned with keeping their place in the system then actually solving racism. Bernie had a plan and actually spoke to everyone… not just parts of people like Donald and Hillary.
You’re right the polls don’t matter. I mean she was supposed to get 341 electoral votes and only got barely 230. She didn’t go to MI and WI.
the wrong choice was made and now we pay the price for it, simple as that. No more neoliberalism, and trump should be beaten next time.
To be clear, the servers did not matter to the main government officials who were mentioned in the stories. Comey, Giuliani, etc. Comey even said as much earlier this year. Republicans have been drumming up the “clinton is a crook”narrative for twenty plus years. They knew that all they had to do was spout out another headline with no substantive facts and people would eat it up. They knew the public would not actually do any research into the facts of the case or that Comey even contradicted himself.
I am a black woman and have been so for about 30 years now. I am not a Hilary fan but voted for her because she was the best option of the four candidates to run the US. Your opinion on Bernie is no more valid than mine- and never will be. Bernie never had a cogent plan to fix anything. He threw out red meat that sounded nice but had no real way to pay for it. As I said before, Bernie did not speak to everyone. If you go back and watch him up until mid way in the primaries, he spent a good chunk of his time speaking to white people. Minorities had to reach out to him. Someone high up on his campaign even said that they did not even try to reach black people or anyone else because they all thought that Hilary had us on lock. Why would I want to vote for someone who did not give a damn about a POC until someone reminded we existed.
Here in lies the problem: It is not black people’s job to end racism. It is white people whose job is to end racism. they started it; they need to be the ones to end it. It is black people’s job (and other minorities) to hold white people to their word on believing in equality, etc for all. It is black people’s job to build up our own communities and make sure we are taken care of, not coddle whites.
I cannot believe you seriously think Bernie Sanders, socialist Jew, would have won. Given that we know that the Trump crowd were racist, sexist trash, there is no way they would have voted for Bernie. what in the world makes you think the outcome would have been any different?
This is a copout though.Bernie did talk about POC, and does now. I’ve seen him, even I wouldn’t vote for him. If he had no plan, why did so many people go to see him? HRC had hardly anyone at her rallies until the end. The problem with you saying you’re choice was vaild was that the country voted for someone else, and for good reason, despite his ugly flaws. 53 percent of white women voted trump. That means POC women went to Hillary. All minorities were not on the same page. This is a typical “we only need symbolism” post.
You need more then symbolism to defeat racism and sexism, and that’s what many black hillary, and hillary voters in general don’t get. Stop waiting for white people to be nice and start being assertive. I mean did you think racism was going to when Pres. Obama got in? And HRC was the symbol of the big banks, establishment, insiders and people who refer to Chicago as “flyover country”.
You have to campaign. Trump was doing 3 events a day at one point. Hillary disappeared in the middle of August. This was a critical error, and there was many more. You don’t run the face of the establishment against donald trump. Until you guys here admit this, the democrats will continue to lose.
@the other guy- HRC was more qualified than Bernie in several different areas, one example being foreign policy, which Bernie has almost zero experience with. Bernie’s economic platform was also unfeasible and free tuition for all would have been an incredibly costly proposition for the government to fund..it would fall on the shoulders of tax payers. These people want LOWER taxes and you think they would vote for Bernie the socialist?
Additionally, Sanders wanted to EXPAND social security and you believe that the people who want to get rid of social security would vote for him?
Many Sanders supporters subscribe to the same kind of magical thinking that Trump supporters subscribe to. You don’t want a qualified, experienced, capable politician, you just want a damn savior.
I’m not avoiding anything. I answered your question straight on.
People voted for him for the same reason they voted for Trump-soundbites that sounded like something they could believe in with little to nothing to back it up with. They both acknowledged that there were problems-which seems nice, but offered not one concrete detail to flesh out their plan. Bernie did not actually have an economic plan that could have been backed up. There are several credible economists who have said so.
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21692895-health-care-costs-and-high-taxes-would-sink-sanders-economic-plan-vote-what
http://fortune.com/2016/02/26/economists-bernie-sanders-tax-plan/
Hilary had 2.6 million more votes (and counting) than Dump. She also beat Bernie in the primaries by a large margin. If so many people were so for him, why was he so far behind in delegates.
Clinton primary delegate numbers
Hillary Clinton: 2,814 (includes 609 superdelegates)Bernie Sanders: 1,893 (includes 47 superdelegates)
Please go back and re-read your argument because it lacks logic.
“The problem with you saying you’re choice was vaild was that the country voted for someone else, and for good reason, despite his ugly flaws. 53 percent of white women voted trump. ”
There was not one good reason anyone voted for Trump. He is a racist,sexist, lying pig who did not actually have a plan at all. He lied about the wall, the lied about putting Clinton in jail. He lied about the everything.
“That means POC women went to Hillary. All minorities were not on the same page.
How does what white women voted for correlate with POC? Just because white women voted a certain way, all POC do not have to vote in the opposite way. The only thing I agree with in this comment is that not all POC are on the same page. Some people did not know they were minorities until after Dump was elected.
By the way, white women numbers have always trended high for Republicans in presidential races.
Did you even finish reading what I wrote or did you have your comment ready to go and waited to post it when you saw I responded? I don’t think you actually read it because no where in my comment did I say that we have to wait for white people to be nice. I even wrote that it is not our job to coddle white people. I said we have to hold white people accountable for the words that come out of their mouth-especially when they talk about fairness and equality.
The Dems have won before and they will again.
Hillary Clinton could have moved to Wisconsin and it would have made no difference. A federal court recently ruled that the state suppressed the democratic vote.
@lightpurple- agree on Wisconsin.
@theotherguy- you are so drinking the Trump kool aid.
The white male establishment has had it in for since she was First Lady of Arkansas and refused to use her husband’s last name. But she is tough, she works hard, and cares way more than Donnykins ever will.
Well if the option was him or The Reaper I think there’s not a hug change in Times’ choice
Well 2016 has literally been the worst so it’s only right to have him on the cover because he is the definition of THE WORST! He and 2016 go together like pb&j. Gross doesn’t even begin to cover it…
Hitler, Stalin, OBL, Clockjerk Orange…it all makes sense to me.
Just for a laugh, I looked up the “celebs” who endorsed TwitterDumb. It’s a who’s-who of the D-list: Baio, Rodman, Robertson, Nugent, Busey, Hogan, Dash, et al. Have any of these people been relevant the past 20 years? No.
I’m so glad I live in the great country of California. Ffs.
What i want to know is what’s Steve Bannon up to? he’s been awfully quiet. That scares me.
And what the fuck, I still can’t get over the Thank You Tour. Instead of preparing to lead the free world he’s playing to crowds of his fans. Meanwhile, Paul Ryan and Co are plotting how they can take everything for themselves.
Count yourself lucky if you’re not on his schedule. He’s coming back to Mobile to stink up the place and thank the suckers who gave him an early boost.
He loves a good rally. This is going to be his “thing” speeches to incite and tweets to create his truth, while the repubs run the country, something I believe he has absolutely no interest in doing.
I bought into the ‘maybe he won’t be that bad’ for the first 24 hours, then he either tweeted something or appointed someone or made some comment – I forgot what exactly – and was like, welp, I gave this a chance.
Same here. He appointed Bannon and my giving it a chance was over.
Wait…he won’t be making a victory tour in CA?
Oh yeah, he got slaughtered here. Diversity is our middle name.
The CRISPR pioneers deserved it much more than this Orange clown…Sorry, the President -Elect Mr. Trump *gagged*
The CRISPR technique has helped Science move forward. Another slap in the “face of science”. *rant over*
I am so sad that Simone Biles wasn’t named Person of the Year. With all that she’s accomplished, her dedication, hard work and super personality makes her my Person of the Year.
Did y’all see that Ireland denied Trump’s request to build a 2-mile-long sea wall along his golf course? And why he requested one? A big storm caused some erosion, & he stated in the application that with rising sea levels & increased storms & wave action (due to global warming), that it was necessary. This from a guy who has publicly stated global warming is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. Two-faced liar.
Oh & I knew he’d be Time’s POTY. Sickens me, but they’ve chosen horrible people before.
That is really interesting – I totally missed this. So, when it suits him, Trump DOES acknowledge global warming!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436
Time is trolling Dump. Notice the space in the letter M and its placement over Dump’s head looks like Devil’s horns. And the headline as well “Divided States of America.”
@pandabird.
Totally agree. It’s the deliberate placement of TwitterDumb under the M in TIME.
Lol TIME magazine!
Yes its great. And people think graphic design doesn’t matter or isn’t an art form. Well done Time.
Gross. And I don’t care if it’s because he was one of the most talked about in 2016. The decision to put him on the cover shouldn’t be based on controversy and publicity. We really need to destroy the idea that any attention is good attention because it only allows dangerous half-wits like this to prosper. Let’s not reward controversy.
It shows an amoral attitude at Time. Not something to justify.
I am completely disgusted by this and disappointed in TIME.
The divided states of america.
🙁
Yes, thank you for saying that. He WILL BE that bad. The American people have chosen a president who will have a huge negative impact on climate change, the poor and so much more even if he doesn’t necessarily burn the country to the ground and affect the regular man on the street all that much. You can’t deny that, but I’m sure his voters won’t look outside their tiny little bubbles of reality.
His picture looks like the slimy snake oil salesman that he is.
Or a geriatric Bond villain.
How much money did he shell out for this title?
coming from a hillary Clinton supporter, now that’s funny.
Excuse me ???
the tears the tears the tears. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
well deserved. can’t wait for January when trump is sworn into office. The meltdown and tears from u clinton supporters will be so epic.
I really hope you get the Trump you deserve.
In case the above causes you to pause in your triumphalism and wonder what that means, let me explain that it’s going to be you and your fellow Trump supporters that will end up howling at the moon and raging into the night when he proves to be the lying con-merchant us ‘non-supporters’ know him to be.
You’re in for a world of cheated pain and you will deserve every last second of it.
Waste of time talking to an ignorant troll, Guesto. They’re birds of a feather.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/06/politics/richard-spencer-texas-am/
Oh I know it’s a waste of time in the bigger scheme of things, SusanneToo, but if bursting the reality of the ‘Trump is cause for celebration’ bubble causes even the tiniest second of unease amongst those (reading) who still believe he’s a reason to be cheerful, then it’s time well spent. 😉
Wow I didn’t know we had so many trolls visiting the Cheeto posts. Keep up the good work Kaiser!
Thank you for proving you don’t give a damn about this country and that you love corruption Also, that bit about tears is already stale and moldy.
Do people who put HAHAHA etc etc in posts realise it makes them look like maniacs?
Can’t wait until they come after you, troll. Oh, the tears. Will you go into a foetal position or will you whine everywhere or will you blame it on everyone but Drumpf? Not like it matters, because Drumpf will crush the likes of you because he hates you most of all.
Unless you’re commenting from Russia.
TIME gives the POTY to the good, the bad and the ugly. Trump falls in the last two categories. Since the magazine gave it to Hitler, Stalin, Khomeini and other bad actors in history Trump is in “good” company. It will be pointed out he is not being honored
Pandering and gross.
agreed. as much as everyone has argued about past dictators who “win” the person of the year cover—mainstream media outlets have been complicit in giving the trump show so much inertia. they wanted this beast and helped blow his marsh mellow ego up.
i remember even the beloved dem pundits of John Oliver and Trevor Noah gleefully joking in the early days, “oh please run for president! this is a comedic gift to us!” giving him space at all rather than shooting him down has been a weird and miscalculated fixation to sell press.
For anyone who hasn’t already seen this. I, for one, cannot believe trump or his acolytes lied. Now excuse me, I’ve got to get my letter to Santa Claus in the mail.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/politics/bob-dole-taiwan-lobby-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Bob Dole so doesn’t need to be back in my life. So much for Donny boy draining that swamp.
Props to the graphics person for using the “M” to give him devil’s horns.
Love the M as the Devils Horns. Otherwise – I can’t even.
I think in a way it makes sense though. Arguably he was one of (if the not the most) talked about person this year.
ITA. I saw this coming six months ago.
Not Hillary Clinton, the Amazon who fought the extraordinary and good fight, but this POS snivelling psychopath who surfed into the presidency on a wave of baseless hatred. We are doomed.
Baseless hatred? Bullshit! For better or worse a large chunk of his success was driven by justfied hatred of the system. Clinton lost because she represented business as usual.
Duh. Enjoy the apocalypse, because one day they will come after you.
It’s for worse, Rischa.
Yes unlike a rich one percenter who made his fortune off of scamming people. Much outsider.
But he has the best interests of “the people” in mind I’m sure. Yeah…good luck with that lol
@ rischa- and what the hell is wrong with business as usual? I get hating greedy politicians, but seriously: What exactly is wrong with America? All you Trump supporters claim to be patriots, but it seems like y’all do nothing but complain about how broken America is. Don’t you realize how many folks would kill or risk death for American “business as usual”?
I swear, really. We’ve got freedom, cultural diversity, medical coverage, good schools, thriving industries (even if they’re not the old ones). But all you and your kind can say is how much things suck. Stop with the nonsense.
Apocalypse? Hahaha.
Get off the pipe, Love.
How can this idiot be any worse than George Bush Junior? The US voted that ridiculous creature in twice. Look what he did!
Bush Jr. is a pussycat compared to Trump.
If Erdoğan was a runner-up, this recognition no longer means anything and folks should ‘unknot their knickers.”
Has anyone noted how the points of the letter “M” are directly over his head?
(I haven’t read all of the comments yet. Apologies if this has already been commented on.)
ETA: Yep. At least one other person “pointed” it out. It was a devilish thing for Time magazine to do, but I appreciate the effort.
Anne Helen Peterson wrote a great piece for Buzzfeed on this:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/annehelenpetersen/donald-trump-and-the-end-of-time?utm_term=.cjdR2255Q#.ndqB99PPK
Graydon Carter’s editor’s letter really nails it.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/graydon-carter-donald-trump-president
Hello. I, too, am in Canada and I am here to counter what you said.
“For example in Canada we have socialized medicine – much like where Obama was trying to go. We wait months if not 1-2 years for elective surgery.”
We do all have access to health care, this is true. It’s not ‘socialized’ however – it is tax-funded private health care. Socialized would have doctors and nurses paid a salary by the government – that’s how Britain does it and when the National Health Service is properly funded, it works well. In Canada, doctors are in private practice, but our insurance is organized at the level of the province and our taxes pay the ‘premiums.’ Yes, there are waits for elective surgery: because they are *elective.* Americans would be happy to wait a little longer if they didn’t have bankruptcy waiting at the other end. Critical surgeries are provided quickly – the system is pretty good at triage. There is always room left for emergency care.
“We have high taxes – if I pick up an extra shift to make money I pay 50% in taxes. Average is over 30%.”
Income tax rates are not really that much higher than in the United States. However, sales tax is generally higher. (If you want to complain about tax rates, complain in favor of raising our low corporate tax rates instead.) Here’s what we get for it: high-quality public education (no vouchers!) complete with all the arts; heavily subsidized post-secondary education; fine public library systems with good hours; the ability to go to the doctor or hospital when you need it without extra billing; roads, bridges and other public works; well-trained police and firefighters and paramedics; educated civil servants who do their job without resentment, and so much more. To reduce sales tax, all we have to do is buy less.
“Our mortgages are not allowed to be claimed on income tax. ”
Only partly true. We cannot claim the INTEREST portion of our mortgage payments on income tax. This is to encourage people to put more money down on a property so they are less in debt. Americans using high-interest loans with very low down payments got in a lot of trouble during the housing crisis, which triggered a devastating recession. The PLUS side of home ownership in Canada as that we pay NO tax on the gain from the sale of a principal residence. Americans do pay tax on the gain above a certain threshold.
The housing bubble in Canada is very large, yes, but it is being incorrectly “blamed” on “wealthy Asian immigrants.” This housing bubble started nearly 10 years ago and was created mostly domestically by “emergency” low interest rates that have been suppressed for nearly a decade. Most houses are sold by Canadian residents to other Canadian residents. Now that rates will start to go up, prices will eventually have to come down because people just can’t afford these prices – they are in debt over their heads – and sellers won’t buy unless buyers drop their prices.
“As well we have taken in over 30,000 refguees who now cannot find work. I feel awful for them ….. but do I want to pay $300 more a month in taxes? ”
Seriously, you are paying $300 more a month in taxes to support refugees? I don’t think so. They are starting to get jobs and contribute to the tax base. Some will stay unemployed longer but we have millions of taxpayers and it’s hard to image any one of us will pay $300 more a month to provide needed benefits to these poor people. Canada needs immigrants to grow the country and sustain the economy. The odds are your family came here too at some point, hungry for food or opportunity, maybe fleeing a terrible situation. Canada is known for its compassion. Harboring refugees has always done far more good than harm to the national enterprise.
It’s known that white voters were responsible for Trump’s victory, not black or brown voters. Not all votes were votes of desperation because many of his supporters are well employed college graduates. In the America of the Depression era, desperate voters voted for people who offered hope, not despair, and open-mindedness, not bigotry and intolerance. This election was a clear example of scapegoating of Mexicans, Muslims and women used to whip up the mob. As well, the NRA has a well-honed apparatus for turning out rural voters/gun owners.
Canada came through the Great Financial Crisis in decent shape relative to the rest of the advanced world, but not by hating on outsiders or fighting progress (much as the Conservative party tried). If Canada develops a more advanced, less destructive resource-based economy, it can continue to lead – but true leadership comes with compassion and knowledge, not whining and blaming.
I’m an American and now I want to move to Canada!
I remember this summer seeing those provocative Time magazine covers of Trump’s orange cartoonish face melting. There were at least two, and the second one was more melted than the first–it came shortly after the Access Hollywood tape. I remember thinking: no way he could ever be elected now. I stand corrected.
https://www.wired.com/2016/12/russian-election-hacking-investigation/
We might be getting an investigation into Russia’s involvement with hacking and the election. It’s got support on both sides of the aisle.
I say we make America great again by getting trump and his followers out of here. It would solve the problem of ridding us of the uneducated masses who are right at or below the poverty levels. You know, the Walmart shopping trash. Bye.