As we discussed yesterday, Angelina Jolie filed a counter-statement with the court in reaction to Brad Pitt’s request to seal their court records. Brad issued his statement before Christmas, wherein he slammed Angelina for having “no self-regulating mechanism,” i.e. she was actively trying to publicize their dirty laundry, regardless of how it would affect the kids. Jolie’s statement was basically, “Brad wants to keep all of this stuff private because he’s worried about his image, not the health of the kids.” She even referenced the now-closed FBI and DCFS investigations into Brad’s conduct on the plane. TMZ was the first to report on Jolie’s statement, and it took hours for People Magazine to confirm with their own reporting. But now I know why it took People so long – because they were talking to people in both camps, and they got some fascinating quotes:
A source close to the situation stresses that Brad Pitt has been cleared in all investigations.
“It’s nice to see that she has finally come around to supporting the sealing of documents weeks after he requested this action,” the source tells PEOPLE. “Considering that both the FBI and child services thoroughly investigated this matter and cleared the father, this line of attack doesn’t make much sense.”
But a second source close to the situation is firing back, saying that while Pitt may have been cleared, his actions had a lasting effect on the children.
“They keep pointing to him being cleared. While his behavior didn’t amount to anything criminal, that doesn’t mean he didn’t do anything wrong,” says the source. “The kids are traumatized. The mom has been protecting the kids by not revealing what really happened on that plane. Her interest since the outset hasn’t changed: to protect the health and safety of the kids.”
The investigation was launched after Pitt allegedly got “verbally abusive” and “physical” with one of his children with Jolie on the couple’s private plane on Sept. 14. Jolie filed for divorce five days later.
Luckily, I have zero experience with child protective services and FBI investigations, but I can see the semantic and moral point that Team Jolie is making: just because there are no criminal charges against Brad, doesn’t mean that his actions were entirely honorable, above-board and healthy. Whatever went down on the plane was a big enough dealbreaker for Jolie to bolt with the kids and immediately file for divorce. It was big enough to trigger DCFS and FBI investigations, but not big enough for criminal charges. As for Team Pitt’s passive-aggression: “It’s nice to see that she has finally come around to supporting the sealing of documents…” Perhaps you can only be this petty with someone you once truly loved.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
Traumatized? …the drama with these two has me gagging! I never would’ve predicted they would end so messy.
Way to put down people who get traumatised for something that happened in their lives.
The parents, the social workers all think the children were traumatised and need therapy and yet here you are putting them down.
With the way these two are coming for each other like some War of the Roses mess…I’m sure those kids saw plenty before the great plane incident of 2016.
@Talie. Dont tell Maya but no previously happy couple goes to war like this. Her side isnt even disputing that this was a once off. So faced with whatever went down (which the authorities dont even think crossed the law), dont you just quietly file for divorce? I mean you were so happy with this guy and he was such a good dad, so dont you endeavour to keep the fight clean at least. You know you will not get sole custody so why would you even file for it and give people something to say about this guy who you have otherwise been happy with? Why the extra effort to malign a man who was a great dad for 12 years and momentarily fell? And the same goes for him. No man who was as in love as they pretended to be, sends his publicist to People Magazine about her. None! He was swallow hard at the provocation and be quiet. No, its pretty clear these two have loathed each other for a long while. It’s exactly like War of the Roses, years of built up resentment just exploded. I dont even think it was a quiet resentment. I think the reports of their raging fights were all true,
This is nothing like that movie/book at all. This isn’t even as bad as Burt Reynold’s breakups from Loni Anderson and Sally Field. They are not fighting over material possessions as neither are asking for money or property from each other. They aren’t destroying property or releasing new information about what led up to the plane ride or during their entire relationship.
The little information that is coming out is just a rehashing of the same event that happened four months ago and how it affects their children.
“I’m sure those kids saw plenty before the great plane incident of 2016.”
What does this even mean?
“This isn’t even as bad as Burt Reynold’s breakups from Loni Anderson and Sally Field.”
holy sh*t what a great reference! lol
Just because Brad is a public figure and his audience may feel they “know” him or he’s familiar, doesn’t mean he can’t have behaved in a way that traumatized the kids. I think this may be a case of public perception being at odds with what’s behind closed doors.
Personally, my thoughts are, he’s a stoner who doesn’t just toke to feel chill, he probably has a proper habit. And he likely drinks and smokes pot, a lousy combination for someone who has to be around kids. Initially it would have been their ok thing, he does his thing she does hers…and then as they gathered more kids and as those kids grew more aware of the world around them, the being a drunken stoned mess just wasn’t going to cut it anymore.
And so he weeps about how she has changed and she is fed up with how he hasn’t changed.
End of story.
With 6 kids to wrestle over, nice.
This is going to get plenty messy.
I think it would be traumatizing if a father verbally and physically attacked his child. Especially when it probably was an isolated incident under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Please, you act like no parents ever acted this way.
Sadly, I know no parent who has always been perfect with their children, never said the wrong thing or did the wrong thing when angry.
No one knows what happened, you’re all just speculating and imagining the worst.
Sure. I have no doubt it was a bad experience for all involved that night nearly 4 months ago. But totally BS that they should be suffering from “trauma” now. Unless of course it’s being prolonged and encouraged or exaggerated by someone’s influence to suit their agenda.
@Freebunny…are you saying that I’m “acting like “no parent has ever acted like this” ? If you are, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion from what I said. All parents, even the great ones make mistakes. And we don’t know what happened on the plane that night, but it must have been somewhat serious if investigations took place.
It is traumatizing when the person you trust most in the world, the person who is supposed to take care of you and keep you safe, hurts you in some way and breaks your trust. I’m sure they’ll all be fine. Children all over the world experience this kind of betrayal (and much worse) everyday. But it’s not to be trivialized.
There’s investigation each time something happened in a plane and it’s a good thing (think 9/11), but as long as the services think there’s no need to judicial proceeding I tend to believe them more than Angelina’s lawyer.
I’m not trivializing it and I’m sorry if you thought I was.
But, I think making this incident bigger or more horrible that it was, is wrong and it’s clearly what Team Angelina is doing here.
“No one knows what happened, you’re all just speculating and imagining the worst. ” …and all the rest are just too happy (and quick) to absolve their precious Brad of any blame.
Lady D- No precious Brad thoughts here. No, I can honestly say if the situation was reversed I would feel the same. If it came out that Angie abused her kids I would NOT believe it. Later I would accept that “something” bad happened. If she was then cleared by DCSF and cooperated with drug testing/therapy I would question why Brad was not willing to give an inch. That seems an excessively harsh way to treat the mother of your children, and in fact the children.
I think it’s going to be traumatizing that the kids parents who everyone thought were the perfect king and queen are doing this. The world doesn’t need to know the private things that happened.
Sorry. It’s seems she considers them her kids, not their kids. My opinion only of course which I know isn’t popular here. And it’s not because I’m a brad fan. I’m not really a fan of either of them. Whatever happened on the plane does not sever his status as a parent. Lots of shittier parents have access/custody of their children. Not that ‘shitty’ should be the standard for parents but I really don’t get why they haven’t sorted a more reasonable access/custody arrangement – for the kids sake. Whatever happened in the plane obv sucked and was terrible but it was not criminal so you would think it was not an event to end a fathers rights. And no matter what people here say from all the reports he hasn’t seen his kids a whole lot in the last five months. And yes you can say this is his fault but I’m sure they love both their parents. This is not good for children.
100 percent agree Moe.
Divorce is terrible- losing a parent is worse. Even traumatizing.
It’s amazing how much hypocrisy can be hidden behind lines like ‘I am sorry for the children”, ‘those poor children’, ‘This is not good for the children” or, the now famous, ‘can’t they be more discreet about it?’
In spite of all evidence that Brad has an abusive behavior, he is still the victim. People close their eyes to the obvious stubbornness that he shows in his actions post-separation. He is required to be tested for drugs and yet there is no word why. There is a stubbornness in him to prove to everyone that his wife bolted with the kids because she’s crazy not because there’s anything wrong with him.
Apparently, nothing can constitute proof of his behavior because investigations cleared him. Just FYI, FBI cannot clear anyone from disappointing their family. If you disappointed your family you work to get it back by addressing the issues they have with you, not by calling them crazy, which he is doing.
@als
Perfectly stated.
Yeah, agree with you 100%.
@Moe
Yes!!!! I’m home with my kids now but I was an elementary school teacher for seven years. I was involved with DCFS because of a nasty divorce of the parents of one of my students. It wasn’t pretty. I will just say that the standards of proof in DCFS cases are much lower than criminal cases. I believe it’s called credible evidence of abuse or neglect. Brad was cleared. Why keep dragging this out in public? There should be a gag order.
I agree with Moe. She considers them ‘her’ kids – not theirs. They need to sort out joint custody (legal and otherwise) and stop talking to the press. It’s in Brad’s interest to get custody agreed ASAP, of course it’s sad he is separated from his children. Who would want that – considering he is adhering to all the rules and has been found to have committed no crime. It’s in her interest (if she wants sole custody) to drag this out as long as possible – as the courts will most likely grant legal AND physical custody to them jointly considering there are no grounds to grand full custody to Angie. Whatever happened on plane, it was not strong enough to sever Brad’s rights to joint physical and legal custody, and I feel Angie is probably disappointed by that fact.
Agree with you Moe. The public aftermath/repercussions of that event on the plane four months ago is not making either one of them look good. They are both extremely image conscious, and at this point such preoccupation with how *they* appear seems to be eclipsing their desire to spare their kids further pain. I don’t understand why all this must be so publicly enacted, it must be harrowing for the children. I’m “team” no one but the kids. They don’t deserve their parents’ selfish, poor behavior.
I think it’s a matter of parenting styles. I like both of them too, but it seems to me that one of the reasons Angelina is taking this route is because Brad has a stricter parenting style than she does and so does his parents. I’ve said this before that the last time we saw the whole Jolie-Pitt family with Brad’s parents was at Shiloh and Zahara’s soccer game. There was a picture floating around the Internet that looks like Angelina and Brad’s mom were having an intense discussion over one of the kids. Angelina doesn’t believe in putting boundaries on the kids because she was allowed to do as she pleased from a young age. But Brad was raised with rules, boundaries, and structure so it makes sense he would attempt to raise the kids as he was raised.
After all the investigations have been completed, I find it hard to believe limiting Brad’s contact with the kids to therapist monitored visits is totally out of Angelina’s hands. And did I miss something? I thought Angelina freaked and ran with the kids because of a thing between Maddox and Brad on the plane. If the beef was just with him, why are the other kids being kept away from him?
I hate to say it, but any man in my acquaintance would knock their teenage son into the other room for getting up in their face. There can only be one man in the house.
paml, that is the most horrific thing i have heard yet.
“any man in my acquaintance would knock their teenage son into the other room for getting up in their face. there can only be one MAN in the house:
you don’t know any men, i am afraid.
no “MAN” feels threatened by a child.
no “MAN” has the right to knock ANYONE let alone a child, period.
wtf is actually wrong with this society that people can find it in themselves to excuse adult violence toward children and particularly under that disgusting and pathetic old time “only one man in the house’.
any “MAN” who feels like a “MAN” because of his superior physical strength is NO MAN. that is a child in a big persons body.
I agree with Moe 100%. I adored Brangelina and I’m not absolving Brad of all wrongdoing but I wholeheartedly believe Angelina is exaggerating and manipulating the situation to her advantage and to hurt him as much as possible. That really seems to be her end game here. Really disappointing.
I have mixed feelings about this. Brad’s behavior is inexcusable. But (and I’m NOT saying this is the case) look at how many doctors can be bought. Look at how many of them will enable addictions in their celebrity patients to the point where the patient dies. There are some less than professional ‘professionals’ out there who will work with what the person paying them wants. It’s in Angie’s best interest to show herself as the one taking the kids mental health seriously, (and I’m sure she is) and that they’re struggling to spend time with their father.
I’ve also known kids who had something happen in front of them, or whatever, and they’ve bounced back pretty quick – but then the parent has made such a big deal about it, and talked about how traumatizing it was for the kids ad nauseam, then the kids start parroting back the stuff the parents have said.
I’m positive that this was a horrible event for everyone – especially Maddox. And maybe there was a lot leading up to this that needs to be worked through – I mean, chances are. But I also think there’s a possibility that there are psychiatrists involved still because Angelina feels better having them there. It’s possible that the kids are happy to oblige to mom because they saw how upset she is over everything.
This is just me speculating. I’m not trying to present this as fact, but at the end of the day, nobody knows. We don’t know what kind of things the kids had to deal with. We don’t know how horribly Brad acted. We don’t know how credible the doctors are. We don’t know how much stuff got uncovered by the investigations. But it DOES help Angie as far as custody goes that it’s well-known that his visits are supervised, and that the kids aren’t comfortable yet.
And I wouldn’t put it past Wasser to take Jolie’s intentions and twist them just enough to get a better reaction for her client. She wants to get paid, she wants to ‘win’ – it’s her job.
I honestly wish we didn’t ‘know’ so much about the case. It’s intrusive (yes, I’m still commenting), and it’s not fair to any party. There are people who hate Angelina so much that she could literally say that the sky is blue, and it could get twisted into something devious. She’s in a no-win situation, and I tend to believe that she IS trying to do what she thinks is best for her kids. I have no doubt that she’s putting them as her first priority. The problem with humans is that we have a certain amount of bias, especially when our family is involved. Someone could have the best intentions in the world but maybe those intentions aren’t ‘perfect’ for the situation, or maybe they’re a bit misguided, or based on emotion.
I don’t think Brad putting out a statement saying “Stop criticizing the mother of my children, please give us privacy as we work to make this up to our kids” would make any real impact. Honestly, it would just keep the narrative of “good Brad, bad Ange” going. It would become “oh look how responsible he’s being, look he’s the bigger person” – because no matter what, Angelina seems to get the short end of the stick from the media.
Again – I’m not saying that any of the things I’ve written are true. I’m just sharing some things I’ve seen over the years when it comes to parents feelings rubbing off on kids. At the end of the day – I think she felt her kids were unsafe, and she reacted immediately to that. I think that they’ve always been her first priority, and always will be. But I think a lot of the time, we sort of forget that these people are humans, and just as likely to make mistakes as you or I. We usually only see what they want us to see, so it makes sense that people are so confused by this whole thing. They always seemed to be a united force, and incredibly in love. They both spoke so highly of each other that it’s hard to process that maybe Brad has hit a low point in his life and he’s the ‘bad guy’ here because for years we were shown what a great dad, and what a great partner he was. It takes some re-programming to accept something different.
I do wonder to what extent the horrible, traumatizing event on the plane has led Angelina to accidental parental alienation of Brad. I don’t think either one of them are perfect (read: not a Brad stan and I like Angie), and I don’t think Jolie does it on purpose. I just think that’s how she grew up, with just her mom raising her and her brother and her dad was the scumbag. Sometimes we tend to recreate the past is all I’m saying, whether we mean to or not. I think she wants what’s best for her kids. But that’s a super unpopular opinion here so I won’t come back to read the responses!
Erinn, I couldn’t agree more! Kids are incredible resilient, and it’s my thought that left on their own, without a parent trash talking, or even saying, oh it’s okay, you’re with mommy now, or WHATEVER it is, leaves the kids (generally speaking) more vulnerable and confused.
When my parents divorced there was some ugliness because cheating and a pregnancy from another woman while still living with our family, and my mother, through her hurt and hatred, always maintained that regardless of what was going on with them, our father loved US. That peppered my childhood in such a beautiful way, because I was able to separate the two. Parents divorcing vs my father’s love for us.
I also do think that since she was a single mom to Maddox for awhile, she might have a tendency to think the kids are hers. Hell, when I went through my divorce, I definitely felt ownership over the kids unintentionally since I was the one with them 24/7 since bith, and especially when their dad moved to the other side of the country, yet when we got a divorce in CA it was split 50/50. Custody, divorce, slander – all VERY real things that occur during non celebrity divorces.
Some feelings are simply carnal, and the need to protect can feel unexplicable. BUT in some instances I think it can also be harmful when it starts to filter in to the children’s perception of what is safe and what is not safe regarding their alienated parent.
I remember when Lindsay Lohan was being drug tested she was found to have taken adderall and something like Demerol or dilaudid – it was some excessively strong painkiller that she had an rx for from getting her wisdom teeth pulled. It was ridiculous how many things she had in her system but she was using Hollywood doctors to get scripts so it was all fine.
I can accept that whatever happened on that plane could have been traumatising. However, I don’t how it works in the states but in the UK safeguarding teams would not withdraw from a case if there was one iota of doubt about future risk to the children. They would have been put on the child protection register. I also think that the circumstances around the separation could be equally traumatising: abrupt cessation of the relationship, moving into different accommodation unexpectedly etc but especially witnesssing any discord between the parents. And continually fighting and trashing each other publicly and privately. This alone would traumatise the children.
Second that. Whatever happened, this publicity is just making it worse. They should try and keep it classy for the kids’ sake.
The Dept of Child Serives in the USA is not great. My mom worked for dcf in New England and basically told me you would have to light your child on fire for them to take the child out of the home. Kids are left in questionable family situations since they are stressing keeping kids with their parents then say, foster care. Plus it costs the state less to keep kids in their home. Not condoning it just laying out what I know.
She flies all over the world to visit kids who have witness horrendous trauma, lost parent and siblings in front of their eyes sometimes, sat in prison for no reason, nearly starved to death, endured sexual violence, trafficking or sold their bodies for a meal, maybe they’ve been forced to fight as child soldiers.
It goes a bit far to claim that getting yelled at by your drunk father on a private jet is “traumatizing.” Maybe “upsetting” is the word she’s looking for.
Yeah, no.
Verbal and emotional abuse are traumatising. The fact that some kids endure horrors no human being ever should doesn’t thereby render lesser forms of abuse harmless.
I am NOT saying Pitt was abusive, or that the claims have merit. I have no idea at all and it’s not my place to comment. But if you move into territory where you are minimising or denying the trauma real emotional abuse can cause a child in order to defend a celebrity, then you’re on shaky ground.
Depp was abusive towards Heard on the footage of him drunkenly haranguing her, and I’ve not seen anyone say otherwise on this site… anyone worth listening to, at least. If that is what Pitt did to his kid(s), and it’s a very big if, then he does not get brownie points for doing it to a child, and he doesn’t get a pass.
And its being a private jet is completely irrelevant. Abuse isn’t somehow cosier when the parents are rich. Again, I am NOT saying any abuse took place, or that this is in that ballpark. But citing a private jet in that manner… you might as well say no amputee in the global north has the right to complain, when so many in the global south are without rehab or prosthetics. It’s not a good argument.
Personally I think we’ll all know, to at least some extent, if there is any validity to the claims of trauma in the next few months, because Pitt is by CA law entitled to a 50/50 split of physical and legal custody. If he is instead allocated only visitation, we know there is something seriously wrong. Short of that, none of us have a clue and that’s as it should be, too.
I don’t really care about this extremely rich beautiful couple and their very well cared for kids, but I agree about perspective. My mom slapped me when I was a teen (I slapped her back) and I had some moments with my teenage sons that were upsetting but my mom was a great mother and I have a wonderful relationship with my grown up sons. Stuff happens and no one has ever reported that Brad Pitt had an out of control temper/is an angry asshole. Also think most of the stuff reported is made up and they will all be fine.
I’m upset that these poor kids have gross paparazzi following them and taking pictures and then we all gawk at them. That’s our problem.
I agree with you on the paps. I know some parents set the shots up for their own purposes, but to me that makes it worse, not better. I don’t think it should be legal to show faces at all in pap shots of kids, and there should be restrictions on when they are allowed to take them, too. Adults are one thing, but kids? No.
I don’t think we know anything about what Pitt is like in private. I’d never have believed anything awful of Depp, either – but then again, this could be a Kelly Rutherford effort by Jolie. We just don’t know, so I am staying out. It’s awful, whatever.
Traumatized, please. Because Brad yelled at one of the kids? Angie should take a look at LA County and look at how some of the children in that county and across the nations that’s being victimized on a daily basis, mistreated foster homes, physically and sexually abused. That’s being traumatized.
I remember reading an interview that Jennifer A did and she mentioned how Angie would call their home and ask to speak to Brad. Angie is messy and petty when she wants things to go her way. I really like them together but now, I’m just too through with her. Will never look at her the same way.
No one knows what happened on that plane. I think if Jennifer Aniston ever mentioned Angelina called her house, it would have been a big story. The media would have talked about it. Why wasn’t it? It never happened. Were are you getting this mess from? Lol
Man some of the comments here!
Brad is behaving like a man child. Start acting like a true parent and husband and own up to your own behaviour. Smearing the mother and throwing the oldest sons to the wolves will only further alienate you from your family.
Stop listening to your lawyer and just release a simple statement confirming what happened on that plane.
This whole thing will then go away and the media will lose its power.
I don’t get why he owes us an explanation of what happened on the plane. He/they don’t “owe” the public anything and if they want to keep whatever happened private, isn’t that their prerogative?
He owes it to his children to put a stop to the media arrack on their mother and them.
People are attacking both Maddox and Pax in this and as a parent it is up to him to protect them.
But he would rather protect him own image than his children’s welfare.
And Anjelina has NO responsibility in all the press that has come out about the divorce. Too bad both of them don’t seal their mouths concerning all this. That includes sealing the mouths of their “sources”. They both need to grow up.
@ Esmom. You would be right if he wasn’t leaking stories about how sad and pathetic he is over this situation.
If he can take the time to leak stories to elicit sympathy from others, why not release what happened on the plane? Why only release part of the story and not all of it? If one is to believe that he is leaking things. He is trying to sell a narrative that he is so grief stricken and teary eyed about missing his kids, but avoids talking about why he is in the position he is in. Why?
If what happened in the plane was so horrible I think Team Angie would have leak it. But they prefer this blurry situation where people are speculating about how horrible Brad Pitt is.
Neither her or him have to say anything about this incident, neither for us or the children. What they need to do is to shut up and work on getting things better for their children.
I really don’t see the benefit in making a statement. Doing so would only serve to make more of the kids’ private business public, and that helps how? People clamoring for statements from either party just want their own selfish curiosity satisfied IMO.
I agree – they are not obligated to share what happened on the plane. For the sake of the kids, I hope they don’t, because it will only rehash it all for them and the whole world will know what went down. This was a painful family incident, and should remain private.
I agree with Goats – it wouldn’t solve anything, other than the public’s curiosity.
Esmom, excellent point. They owe no one nothing in terms of a statement. It’s the leaky diaper press lawyering up that presents the most vicious issues here, and it’s always so murkey for us in the public to speculate on who is leaking to the press and why. To me, it seems both are leaky faucets here, and I don’t think that is accidental.
The idea of making a ‘simple statement’ since the plane incident which was the catalyst to Angie leaving with the kids and filing for divorce is an oxymoron in this case. No statement from the gate would ever have been simple. They aren’t speaking. Any statement he made/makes would be without her consent and input and therefore biased and unwelcome by Angie and the kids would be, I imagine, mortified. Once this file is sealed things will calm down. A statement by him would be gasoline on a fire. Also- to tell anyone in legal trouble to stop listening to their attorney reminds me of the famous quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln “A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client”. Irreparable damage can be done to any case by running your mouth without counsel and both Angelina and Brad have each already done harm to their cases with the petty sniping back and forth. Time to zip it and move on, or you’ll see legitimate trauma to your kids.
Maya: I am curious if you were a fan of Brad before the divorce proceedings, or if you are strictly an Angelina Jolie loyalist. I am not trying to provoke, or be snarky in any way, just curious since you seem to have a vested interest In all things Angelina. I feel the same way about Norman Reedus, just ask @Kitten.
Was an Angelina fan before brangelina, was an Angelina fan during brangelina and now I am an Angelina after brangelina.
I liked Brad for his humanitarian work, his amazing movies (producing and acting) and I thought he was a wonderful father & husband/partner.
I still like him for his humanitarian work and acting/producing but now I think he cares more about his image than his wife and children.
In my opinion, he did the crime but he is letting his wife and children do the time.
He simply does not care that his sons especially Maddox are being viciously attacked by people on the internet.
I lost all respect for him because he is not being a true parent by doing everything he can to protect them. If he doesn’t give a statement now or later, people will continue to blame Maddox for the divorce.
I know Maddox is close to her heart. He was her first love, even before she met Brad. I haven’t read of any hate or blame to Maddox, but I don’t go on many sites re them. I always thought they had a close relationship, he was the only one when those two hooked up. Oh well, I hope they both play fair and the divorce is amicable, but that’s an oxymoron, I guess.
“He simply does not care that his sons especially Maddox are being viciously attacked by people on the internet.”
OK, I’m confused by this. I do think children of celebrities are off-limits, particularly in situations like this, but how do you know he “doesn’t care”? And how is he responsible for what people write about his son on the internet (and if that’s the case, why doesn’t Angelina bear equal responsibility)? Is he supposed to scrub the entire internet of negative comments about his son? Or is he supposed to issue a statement asking people not to? The latter I’m sure would be spun by Angelina fans as another example of how he’s doing image damage-control.
Almondmilk makes the same argument. Why should he release a statement? For whose benefit? Angelina is s big girl, I don’t think she cares what people on the Internet think.
If they didn’t care we wouldn’t have many articles with “sources” or “insiders” about their situation.
More than for Angelina, he needs to release one for his sons sake.
Both Pax and especially Maddox are being attacked left right and centre on the internet. They deserve a father who stands up for them.
I guess you’re right, AL.
But Maya, let’s be realistic here…would any of those people who would slander a CHILD actually stop because Pitt makes a statement and “stands up for them”? I mean, you know how vile some of them are.
he could say nothing, he could say “my son was not involved in this, please stop slandering him” or he could say “I smacked him so hard his head spun, so this is not his fault, stop slandering him” and NONE of them would stop because it doesn’t fit their agenda of this family being “evil” in some way. and whatever he did say, they’d twist to suit their narrative.
If there is responsibility to be taken and apologies to be made, it would suit the children best for this work to be done with them privately and, hopefully, with a therapist with parenting skills experience. You could argue doing any of this publicly could be traumatic for the kids.
Yep, Brad more than likely said something foul, probably adoption related, and that would be terrible for that family. There’s a reason Maddox still won’t see him, and Angelina filed so quickly and the way she did.
Why would you make up this purely fictional story? That is horrible! You have NO basis to believe that Brad doesn’t love his adopted children as much as his bio children. You have NO basis to say that Brad “said something foul, probably adoption related”. You are just as bad as the tabloids that say that AJ has an eating disorder, or is doing heroin, etc. You know what would be really bad for those kids…if their father, who NEVER said anything like that, who NEVER made any distinction between any of his children, and then the kids read a MADE UP story online about their Dad saying bad things about his adopted children..,Now, that would be traumatic…
I’m just speculating on what could have caused such trauma to the kids, and that would be it. I hope I’m wrong. Something serious happened for Brad to agree to all his restrictions and for all the therapy the kids/family are going through.
Brad was cleared legally, but the emotional damage may be great.
Once again, I don’t know what to believe. Even if the plane incident was traumatic, I can’t imagine it was terrible enough to negate all the years of what, by all accounts, seemed to be a close and loving relationship between Brad and the kids. Kids are resilient and forgiving and I’d think they could continue to heal from the incident while reestablishing a relationship with him. It seems like the longer you prolong normal, consistent contact between them, the more distant and strained their relationship will become.
I think it doesn’t even matter what went down. Well, obviously, it does. But not to us. What matters is that, for the wellbeing of the children, whatever went down is dealt with confidentially.
Whatever happened can perfectly easily be sorted out one way or the other BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. If Brad was way out of order in an ongoing pattern. If Brad was responsible for one, out-of-character but damaging incident. If there are paternal substance abuse issues, maternal control issues, etc ad infinitum. All of it can be sorted out BEHIND CLOSED DOORS and the best outcome for the children can be achieved BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
Since both parents are making both unnecessary open accusations and unnecessary dark hints in court filings that both parents know perfectly well will be widely reported, it’s clear that neither parent’s priority is that this be sorted out BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
Therefore, both are participating in an ongoing battle that will do further damage to their children. Knowingly.
Amen, Sixer. Sad, but true.
This^^^. Well put Sixer.
Nailed it.
Thank you! What Sixer said, all day long. Couldn’t agree more.
@Sixer
I agree with everything you said but am I the only one who thinks that the “behind closed doors” part was over after the plane incident?
Both parents are clearly taking swipes at each other. I agree that the part about ‘caring about the kids’ is long over now. Appalling.
Amen, Sixer. i think it sums it up and puts this whole discussion to bed. I am sick and tired of these two clowns. Last time I clicked on an article about them. They lost all my respect. This is Rob&Chyna level of trashy.
Well said, Sixer. I cannot believe this is still going on and they continue to leak info to the press… It goes to show a bit of a sham their marriage was…
Til this day I don’t understand why Angelina Jolie hired the real life “Olivia Pope”…
No, nothing can be handled behind closed doors if the parties don’t agree.
You are suggesting anything Brad did can be handled, not if Brad won’t admit that it happened or is still happening. What exactly showed you that he is a guy that understands what happened to him?
You are asking his wife and family to forcefully handle him behind closed doors. What is his behavior or PR strategy showed you that he is willing to be flexible? He has been defensive from the first moment this happened. he even said he did not want this to happen.
It’s like that guy that starts crying that his wife disappeared, the wife he loved so much and, then, one day his wife turn out to be on the run from her ‘loving’ husband.
How do you deal with someone that does not want ‘this’?
@Sixer – You have summed up my opinion on these two as well. Never a huge fan of either (neutral), but now I find both ridiculous in how this continues to play out in public. I’d rather visit a K family post than this.
als – ANY ongoing issue for or about either parent can be sorted out without telling YOU about it. YOU don’t have any right to perform a public autopsy on this. Custody, visitation, therapy, rehab – any requirement to achieve the best outcome for the children can be achieved without YOU knowing about it, including action to bring a non-co-operating party to heel.
The only reason to bring it into the public domain is to win the PR battle. Winning the PR battle is detrimental to the children.
If you can’t see that projecting your own interpretation of events and putting your own projected words and motives into the mouths of children (and their parents, for that matter) on a public form is damaging to those children, then I really can’t help you.
Oops. Sixer was posting at the same time I was!
Well said on both comments, Sixer.
This
My issue with this, and other commentors who have said the same thing, is let’s imagine that the issue on the plane WAS traumatic, even if it wasn’t traumatic on the level of Brad being charged with anything. That still covers a lot of ground. Growing up with an addict parent, I can tell you that lots of little microaggressions can have as damaging an effect as years of abuse (where the meaning of abuse is something that everyone can agree is not how you treat your children). I can also tell you that when my parents separated when I was 15, I didn’t want anything to do with my father, and had someone forced me to spend time with him I’m not sure what I would have done, because I was definitely not going to do that. So the idea that Pitt deserves to see his children more than he is REALLY grates, because maybe he doesn’t. And maybe they don’t want to. And they should be allowed to make those decisions themselves. If one person is an addict and refuses to admit they need help/need to make some changes, it’s possible it can’t be worked out behind closed doors. Rock bottom can be a surprisingly far fall. Someone decided that they have to be with a therapist while they’re with their father. If there’s nothing wrong with your parenting…have the therapist come and let your ex look like the vindictive bitch you keep implying she is. I’m no huge Angelina fan, I just don’t see what other option she has. When your ex is accusing you of witchcraft, and you have kids who need protecting from SOMETHING, do you just turn them over in the interest of keeping everything quiet?
Thank you. +1000 Emily. This post covers the long and short of it.
Gossip boards and tabloids are typically not woman friendly and more often than not misogynistic.
In all of these threads, and perhaps its because Angelina (or her legal team) is framed as daring to say something vaguely critical of Brad because of what he did on the plane – she is the one who is attacked (or at best lumped in with the alleged traumatizer, Brad, and called equally bad). Because we got to read Brad’s modified custom therapy program (testing and counseling with and without his children) SHE is the one who is attacked.
Here’s how other women want her to behave. 1)you have no right to be angry 2)you mustn’t ever be critical of Brad in public 3)you must seal everything so that no one will ever know what the family is dealing with because of Brad 4) if he leaks sob stories and infers you are keeping the kids away from him you must never respond that this was the plan he agreed to. 5) if he decides to cancel the program, no one will know and you can’t say anything and 6)If he decides to ditch it all then you must acquiesce and let the possibly untreated drunken rager have his kids unsuoervised while the sympathetic portrayals insure you and his child get it with both barrels.
That’s basically how gossips and tabloid message boards want Angelina to proceed because they dislike her and want her destroyed in all ways. (not hyperbole)
We saw their reaction in the immediate hours after the split, when all the usual suspects gleefully crowed about her comeuppance when they thought it an infidelity on Brad’s part. There was no concern for the children or Angelina. She and the kids were getting their just desserts. Once a cheater always a cheater they taunted this family with.
When they learned Brad had possibly assaulted his kids in a drunken rage, they honestly got thrown for a loop. How do we hate Angelina when Brad’s the possible culprit and monster?!!
They came up with a weak response: b-b-but she left the docs unsealed so people could see how recalcitrant Brad promised to get help, she’s such a witch!!
@Esmom
+1000
I keep watching this case because as a parent it concerns me that someone can be cleared of abuse, pass drug tests, and then request a little more visitation time and still be denied. It’s worrying to think one allegation has that much power. It can set a precedent. It will be interesting to see what the judge has to say.
They let Brooke Meuller remain a parent. Hell, they let Chris Brown parent an infant. It’s alarming to think either will set a precedence.
@dolphin
I dont mind clearing up the falsehoods from Brad was living with Maddox in 2004 to this.
1) If Brad is still being drug tested how would you know what he passed or failed?
1a)Where does it say his drug testing and therapy with the kids is over?
2)Angelina Jolie is not the one denying his visitation. She’s leaving it up to the court and banking on him completing the program he agreed to along w/ the professionals involved.
3) Being cleared of a crime doesn’t absolve you of damaging abusive behavior, which is why Brad agreed to the program in an effort to heal his family and himself one assumes.
It was published that he passed his drug test almond. They agreed to the temporary custody under those conditions during the DCFS investigation. They investigated him and he was not indicated of abuse. That means they aren’t around anymore. He requested more visitation time and her attorney said it’s up to the therapist. She could have said yes and given him more visitation time. Once again I would like to point out the standard of proof of guilt/not guilt or indicate/cleared in DCFS cases is much lower than in a criminal case.
If…HYPOTHETICALLY…Brad had wrapped his hands around Angie’s neck during an argument and accidentally hit Maddox while he jumped in to Angie’s defense… Sure. 12 years together/marriage/relationship can be negated on that alone. Hello, Laura Wasser. Then again, one innocent “whoops did I bump you Maddox, sorry, my bad” isn’t going to cause a divorce, so whatever happened on that plane has a lot more backstory and caused enough damage that Maddox and Angie have effectively bolted from Brad’s life.
We don’t know what happened on that plane, all we know is that Brad SAID he didn’t hit Maddox “On The Face.” The point is…his hands were on him. Full stop. Why? Doesn’t matter to the public, but we are going to speculate anyway.
what’s crazy is …. half of yal grand parents, parents, ad aunties and uncles had one or 2 knock out drang out fights that for sure hit below the belt…maybe even was criminal… and they moved through it and or dropped the relations after a while with some diginity and didnt have the public shaming either of them…. and now we get on these comments and root for angie to throw away 10 plus years with a man she up until early or mid 2016 said was a great father and gushed over….
Now they are both their kids and need to be shared physically and legally with both parents and yal know that…. the law has cleared him, drug test has cleared him….Im not saying what he did didnt hit below the belt…. but let that man be there for his kids…
side note…. on the mind of children…. my partners son, who after a year said he missed his mother… well how he came to live with us was rather abrupt, just one weekend he was there, and the whole thing seemed off with no one really telling me the real story or so I thought….. after more than a year of his moodiness, and lack of manners and me trying so hard….i cornered him and kind of went off to which he cried and said I just miss my mom. I said well what happened that you just were in one place then being shipped off after almost flunking out, disrespecting teachers, your step dad and your mom….and he said at the time I just wanted to live with my dad….. THERE was no rhyme or reason…just hmmmm i want a change and I gonna get it. My point was that children in the larger scheme of things dont have the tools to properly logically place rationale on stuff….
they just react…. ive seen crazy stuff with my parents….and step parents and just kept it moving realizing no one is perfect and that what everr decision is made, I’d like to one day forgive and still appreciate them both….now could I have felt that at 12, 8, 7, 13 prob not. Angie I would think should just talk with her kids and be like adults make mistake, but it will be healthier for use to be a family but not a couple, and this man still loves you and is your father….and now if kids in their minds pick and fav parents you cant control that but casting brad as if he was just a mere flavor of the week mom’s boyfriend is wrong….
im not team anyone by the way, it’s just doing this step parent thing has kinda opened my eyes to realism and compassion and no absolute righteousness
@ash,
The term that you used “absolute righteousness” is so on point in this situation. Pitt and Jolie seem both to be striving for this. Jolie, more so right now, because she has the power of “the plane” on her side. Pitt knows he won’t ever be in the absolute right now but he is striving to seem to be the most reasonable.
Also, the phrase fits for stans of both or either of them. The time to be “absolutely righteous” on either part is way in the rear view mirror. That would have had to started in the very beginning.
I hope the courts can and will be absolutely righteous for these kids.
So sorry that you have had to face so much drama personally. Good luck with everything.
Yes, a few months seems like a lifetime to young kids. The oldest is at a different stage of life, heading toward adulthood. He and his father are going to have to sort this out one-on-one. I hope they do. After all, he’s Brad’s first-born also and the first to make him a parent.
It is disgusting how dirty and public their fight. Pitt is really an asshole to not realise that whatever happened on that plane was big enough for him to agree to therapists consultations for them. 4 months after maddox and pax still dont want to see him .
We should send them all to mars until they cool off and only return when they made up or severed all ties , so tired of seeing this family self destroy in public and privately.
I don’t think that’s fair to say people’s views of therapy and it’s necessity, trauma and its definition, what treatment should be used for, when medication is necessary is all shaped by your world view and doesn’t automatically make you an asshole. It’s still more of an art than a science.
British (and some American) people think it’s weird to have wellness therapy visits and therapy that is indefinite and ungoing. Americans tend to think nudity around children past a certain age is traumatic where as in other cultures it isn’t given a second thought. People debate how traumatic an event must be to have PTSD. Some people have the view happiness is a choice and depressed people are choosing unhappiness. Not agreeing that one fight five months ago necessitates five months of intensive trauma therapy isn’t really an extreme views. At some point your making a mountain out of a mole hill and building it up in their minds as an exceptional event when it is sadly common.
Duking this out via People mag is not good for those kids.
The kids know what went down, so whatever is being said the kids know the truth.
This being public won’t affect them because they’re pretty insulated, yeah the older ones may read something online, but they probably think their mother is sticking up for them against whatever Brad did on that plane.
People magazine is just rehashing the same story from yesterday which came from court documents
Do you go from full hearted loving some to, well, this? This mean spirited bickering? This quickly?
It makes me think things were not great for a long time before.
Angie or Wasser need to chill out on discussing impact on the kids. If the kids ever want to discuss what happened publicly it’s up to them, not her.
Totally agree, this has no doubt been building for awhile, if not years. I don’t see one single incident causing this, unless it really was horrific physical abuse, which doesn’t seem to be the case since he was cleared.
Even with abuse most women and children don’t leave. Not on the first go.
I wish I had the stats, and maybe it’s just my line of work, but most women who I see leave – it’s after a few incidents. When they realise there is no fixing the abuser. Or sometimes something really major happens. Something life threatening, or sometimes the abuser turns to the kids.
Originally I thought Angie had zero tolerance, maybe because of her father, but whatever her reason, I thought ‘Good’. Good to see a woman pick up her children and leave at the FIRST sign of her partner being dangerous.
I don’t know if that’s the narrative I believe anymore.
Or they all “lied by omission” regarding what happened on that plane. It happens. Abused women and children sometimes are reluctant to talk. Kids especially out of guilt thinking they caused the issue.
For all we know, the only ones awake and present on that plane during the incident (wasn’t it during the eve hours?) might have only been Angie, Brad, Maddox and Pax. Maybe the little ones aren’t so sure what happened because they were asleep or wearing headphones or engrossed in a video game? It’s a long flight from Europe to L.A.
Dropping mini bombs to People will help no one. I hate when children are used as pawns, even if inadvertently in these high profile divorces. These two have always pled for privacy in their relationship so they should plead for same now, gag order. I never liked Jolie but in the spirit of the new year, she looks rather nice in the parka when the fur around her face, adds some dimension and fullness. Hope this ends amicably…….soooooon.
She’s one of the most beautiful women ever to me.
I’ve always loved her, and I’m really disappointed at this last leak.
This isn’t a leak. People is pulling this from court documents filed in late December.
Does people do that? Without the go ahead from a publicist? I thought they basically OK’ed everything pretty officially before publishing?
This makes me feel a touch better.
People magazine isn’t too far from In Touch or Star Magazine. Its a tabloid. Brad and Angelina have leaked information since the divorce but some of what you read is created by trash tabloids. An example is that ridiculous story about Brad on the Daily Mail.
People is the magazine who published a few photoshoots of this family, I’m sure they want to have good relation at least with one of them.
“It makes me think things were not great for a long time before.”
I agree, and have said as much. recall, from what has been made public, that she had rented a house for her and the kids a full month before she filed for divorce. this would indicate that she had been planning, or at least preparing for, an exit.
I fully believe that they were already having issues, they had discussed said issues, she was waiting to see if his behavior improved (or at least that he was trying)…and after what happened on the plane, that was it for her.
Yeah this sounds really likely, and kudos to them for keeping it quiet so long.
I do think she is legitimately upset and concerned about what happened on the plane. And probably pissed she’s being painted as the villain again, when Brad actually DID something. That’s why these leaks are happening, but it’s having the opposite effect.
TMZ of all places, busted that story. She didn’t have a house waiting for the past month.
really, LadyD? I had no idea! is that story on their site?
ETA: OK, I just browsed their Jolie stories (gawd, that site is gross…) and I didn’t find any reference to that, just that she had a “5 bedroom Malibu rental”. do you have a link?
No, I’m sorry, I don’t have a link. It was part of a story I was reading about the divorce. The story I read talked about the panic she was in to find a place before announcing the divorce, after the plane incident. It also said she took the first house she looked at. I read this site, TMZ headlines,MSN Canada homepage, and occasionally surf DListed stories.
Do you seriously think they get divorced because of what happened at the plane? I think it was long time coming. Look at their last film together…
It was a long time coming, but the plane was the tipping point.
i did a review on their last film By the Sea…. and the disdain and disregard on their was almost palpable through the screen at certain time i winced, and this was not an action film not even by a long shot…. it’s just they lost their spark and were over each other and acting on real emotions of “overness” felt for each other…. idk how to convey that articulately ….
I said this is the way on out…. like I don’t see them EVER acting together again, its done. And then angie gave interviews and it seemed like was doing excessive damage control on the lack of chemistry and just meh on the film and their relationship while shooting and it really was too much of an eye opener on their relationship and I was disappointed.
Really?
Because i just thought it was great acting at the time, especially when you saw their promos, and candid pics of them out and about and on date nights – people said the opposite that they had great chemistry and were very much in love.
Couple this with that last Brad leak about how much he cries because he’s ‘still in love with Angelina, blah blah boohoo boohoo’ and i tend to think the plane was no tipping point for their relationship more of a tipping point for Brad’s need to drink and drug (possibly)- he endangered his kid(s) and that was it for Angelina.
I used to think there may have been a way back for them if Brad has accepted responsibility, accepted blame and did that publicly to prevent what’s happening on boards like these (Angelina attacks)- but he’s chosen his career and image. Possibly because he thinks what else has he got if he doesn’t have his family.
It’s sad, but Brad is weak af
At the moment I don’t like any of them but all this info leaks and pap walks make me like Jolie less and less.
She has proved in the past that she can keep the gossip at bay when she wants or needs to. Is she trying to get people on her side? The only people I like in this mess are the kids they share.
You have 3 set of pics of her out and about in the last 4 months and you are talking about pap walk,
A couple weeks ago everyone one was on her because she was hiding and now she pap walks.
every move she makes is going to be wrong to some. always has gone this way, always will.
people will mind bend, to amazing lengths, if they want to make a narrative fit their views.
these threads sure prove that over and over again.
but yes, i will second the hilariousness of the “pap walk”.
She went on vacation with her kids, do you want her to hide?
Yes, yes they do want her and the children to stay hidden away 24/7/365.
It used to be because it annoyed them that Brad had gone and had beautiful kids with the beautiful Angelina….they especially hated seeing those bio babies with their fat cheeks and fat lips.
Now it’s because…
Wait a second- it’s still that.. Lol
I am aware that they cannot be expected to sit inside for months on end, but something about this “vacation” just feels off to me. All those perfect pictures remind me more of an arranged photo shoot than a family taking some time off to enjoy themselves after a traumatic event. You’d think they’d look at least a little bit annoyed at being photographed.
I agree. If she isn’t spotted then she’s hiding out. If she’s photographed then it’s a pap walk. Which is it?
I saw pics of Angelina and the kids looking annoyed especially Knox. Daily Mail had photos of Angelina giving the paps a bitch face on the ski slopes. I also saw pics of the kids smiling. They’re going to live their lives. They weren’t going to stop enjoying their outing because of a bunch of pesky paps.
Hiding out is kind of normal in the circumstances, but I have not seen one single picture where she is actively trying to avoid cameras or looks in any way uncomfortable. I realize appearances may deceive, her’s and Brad’s marriage being a case in point. But I find it very hard to believe these pictures are just proof that paps are hounding her. It seems more like a publicity stunt to me.
But who knows. Maybe she has good reason to set something like that up… being partly in the wrong, aware of negative publicity, trying to prove something. It does not necessarily make her a bad person. Maybe something happened between her and Brad already some time ago and she’s really hurt and trying her best to hide it, and lashing out at him while she’s at it. Could be any number of reasons.
She took them somewhere that is not a celebrity skiing haunt. She isn’t in Sun Valley, Jackson’s Hole, Park City, Aspen, Telluride, Gstaad, or Klosters. Only found after one fellow tweeted a picture.
As celebrity skiing vacations go, this was as low profile as they were likely to get. Once the paps have found you, are you supposed to freak out in the photos? That gives the paps even more-valuable pictures.
Agreed. I don’t think I’ve seen Brad anywhere since the divorce filing bar red carpet/promo appearance for Allied.
Angelina takes the kids to Crested Butte Colorado (not Aspen, not Vail) and paps just happened to be there too? That’s a side-eye from me.
Also, Angelina’s statement when she filed said it was “for the health of the family” which very well may be true, but is so vague that it invites TONS of speculation. She could have simply said “I have filed for divorce. This is a private matter and no further comment will be made.” But she didn’t. I think she wants this to be talked about.
I’m glad to see they both keep it level-headed.
They’re both horrible, team #noteam
so will they become serial killers or what because they were traumatized?
THISSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! lol
@sonia
So what are you saying?
“Yaaaay!! Traumatization by drunk violent Dads for children everywhere!!! YOU get a drunk scary Dad, and YOU get a drunk scary dad.. Everyone gets a drunk and very scary dad!!” — said in an Oprah sing-song.
I always thought if they ever did separate, it would be quietly and without much fuss, and the media probably wouldn’t find out until months had passed. Maybe the wedding was a last-ditch attempt to keep things together. We will never know.
I suppose it would be the height of foolishness to suggest to BOTH of them to shut down these “inside sources” that keep leaking info to the press.
I wouldn’t give a hoot if there were no kids in the picture. Let two adults be as petty and childish and stupid as they want. Angie and Brad have six kids, though, and this mudslinging they’re both guilty of isn’t doing their children any favors. They need to grow up.
I find comments like these disingenuous.
All the concern trolling and hand wringing from people who (not you necessarily) have regularly bashed their mother on public message boards for 12 years. Lol
You know how it will go one day when the kids are grown? Here’s how:
Concern trolls: Was it damaging? All the mudsinging your parents did?
Kids: What mudslinging?
Concern trolls: ….like when your Mom said your Dad had traumatized you (in court docs) or when your Dad said your Mom has no ‘self regulating mechanism?’
Kids: Well, we were there and Dad did traumatize us. Duh. It’s why we were in therapy because of what he did- it was traumatizing. Should she have used another word? As far as insults go, the self regulating thing is not really a slam..it’s kinda weak and nowhere near as nasty as ‘missing a sensitivity chip,’ oh.. our Mom didn’t say that by the way, that was Dad’s ex. Another one of Dad’s exes liked calling him dumb. Those two were really nasty to our Dad.
You must know them very well to be able to predict this and I find it rather inappropriate and in bad taste to say this, particularly about the kids’. I’m really sorry that, as you say, you’ve had such awful experiences with abusive men but I find your comments on these posts very aggressive. You can launch an attack on me in response if you wish but it really is a waste of your energy. Please don’t get so worked up about people you don’t even know.
are you for real?
inappropriate and in bad taste?
gee, you must be new to these threads…oh no, wait, no you aren’t.
let me return to you your own words: please don’t get so worked up about people you don’t even know.
the amount of aggressive and PASSIVE aggressive going on in the threads is apocalyptic.
as far as i can tell, almondmilk is ACTUALLY team kids.
genuinely team kids.
No she’s not team kids she’s team Angie all the way. It boggles the mind people excusing anyone opposing making the files public and the names of the therapists known.
At this point they both suck for the constant press leaks. They are so full of shit. I also agree with the person upthread that says she considers the children “hers” which is unhealthy and alienation is never good (except in extreme cases of course). Esp if reconciliation is possible she is not going to try to mend the rift. Brad needs to get help for his alcohol problem if that IS the issue.
It’s sad at this point. The 6 kids are pawns now
So you listen what someone allegedly saying her children, which means you believe what anyone tell you smh
I don’t think that’s what she said… She seems to agree with the other commenter’s opinion and not that she listens what someone says and believes it… Based on all this gossip and leaked info, it seems she considers the kids hers and not theirs…
No someone in the upthread made a comment about how AJ acts like the children are HERS and I agree. I felt that way even when they were married.
Enough! I don’t want to hear anymore! Those kids… I don’t mean Celebitchy, why can’t Brad and Angie shut up? I like them both but this childish game is getting of of control.
I agree they must really hate each other this is what is seems to be about. So Sad.
I can’t stand them anymore, I won’t support any of their future projects.
But but.. didn’t they always tell us how much they love each other and that both of them are such great parents? They’re just like other people in HW, saying everything to sell their movies etc.
8 months before she filed for divorce:
http://www.celebitchy.com/466287/angelina_jolie_is_always_proud_of_brad_for_how_he_balances_his_family_life_work/
Thanks for the link… sad situation for the kids.
Just a few weeks prior we were reading about how they spent their anniversary in a hotel room and hearing a bit their gifts too each other. “Coz they’re so in love y’all” …Hurray for the Hollywood machine.
Yeah, I remember that. People and UsWeekly reported about it. That they are so in love and blah blah blah:
“Angelina Jolie Pitt and Brad Pitt are currently celebrating their second anniversary as a married couple and they are reportedly “as happy as ever.”
“They really are great,” a source told People. “They’re really busy, but happy. The kids are getting so big! It’s hard to believe.”
wow. one of the first comments on that thread was:
“In my experience, when you start talking about how proud you are of your spouse, how things are both good and bad, etc., it’s going downhill.”
Thanks for the link. It reminded me that a certain prolific poster on here sounds an awful lot like someone else. Almondmilk = CLINIQUA?
@junebug
It is known lol. Makes sense with the cheap makeup
Yes, that’s one and the same person.
Just PR games to keep the money flowing and people thinking they ‘know’ one or both of them.
Yep, you’re right but some people will always think they know them personally and act like they were on the plane etc.
At the beginning of this divorce sources where saying they still love each other but what happened in that plane with the kids was the deal breaker, you are judging their love and that is wrong, an accident unfortunately happened with the kids and a great parents will always choose their kids even though the parents love each other, kids come first.
Yeah but a lot of people don’t believe her because she always said that he is a great father and now suddenly he isn’t? For some people that’s a problem.
i am so tired of this pathetic and one dimensional statement.
“great father, great husband” and now not, so obviously faked and lies.
because life does not occur in a vacuum, folks, no matter how hard some of you would like to pretend this.
holy crow.
i have never seen such hardcore dedication to obstinance, EVER, like some of you bust out.
HI THIS IS CALLED LIFE. what we believe to be true can change. see: relationships of all kinds, every damn day.
They didn’t look traumatized when they had their photo op in Colorado.
Plus I still think she called the paparazzi herself so that the public and media thinks she is a loving perfect mother.
Ofcourse the kids are traumatized…hell even the therapist think so or else there would’nt be a therapist present with brads visitation at all!…It’s damn annoying how people who dislike Jolie can’t see this whole situation for what it is & that Brad behaved like a nut!…if my partner of 10+ years behaved like a nut..reportedly Infront of our kids & he throws leaks out that I’m the bad mother in that I don’t allow visitation etc..when he couldn’t control himself…sorry I would’ve blasted him the same day…like Pitt but the way he’s handled this has been disappointing to say the least & Jolie has every right to be angry/disappointed since she trusted this man!
Yep!
I have lost respect for both of them. Not because of the divorce or what happened on the plane, it’s sick how they treat each other now and leak stories to the media. Their lawyers also attack at each other like little children, it’s all a bit embarrassing.
Angelina and Brad seem to be very immature, I always thought they are better than the other clowns in Hollywood. No more kool-aid for me.
I work for a lawyer and have personal experience when my former boyfriend lost his parental rights (temporarily) because he refused to sign a permission slip for his son to play a high school sport – because the boy was being a jerk to his little sister. The boy decided to text his mother (at the school) saying that his father was being abusive. The mother told the boy to “call the police.” I still remember my shock when he came home without the kids from what was a routine school event. He had to jump through a million hoops to see them again and in the end she was able to keep the kids permanently and they never stayed at their Dads house again. Years later, I have talked to him about this and it is still very, very puzzling how it all happened so quickly. He has totally restored his relationship with his kids (they are young adults now)…but I will never forget how quickly one can lose their kids and how not signing a permission slip was the crime. That is why I feel that whatever Brad Pitt did or did not do or say on the plane, [and he was cleared of any wrong doing. And, in my experience DCF should recommend (mandate) counseling with the entire family present. That is what they ask for in these situations. They often say “it is an angry ex wife situation but you must try and do family counseling.” The pressure and intensity of it all is really, really scary if you feel like you will never see your kids again [and not signing a permission slip is your federal crime]. I think that the lawyers are totally fueling a situation here. I feel that Jolie wants sole custody. But, I don’t think she deserves it or needs it and may not really want it. Since they have nine nannies she can still pursue her career and live where she wants. She can find a new Dad for the kids. She must have it all worked out…but lo and behold if they have a good, loving Dad then they will always return to him…it may take years sadly.
@geneva
So you’re saying Maddox set Brad up, and Angelina unwittingly or knowingly went along with the set up. Oh and Angelina has 9 nannies and doesn’t need her children anyway (just Angelina, not Brad, has 9 nannies) – but for you the real culprit is Angelina, not Brad.
Exhibit A folks.
If they had found Angelina in a bloody pool on the plane, i pretty much think some women would still line up behind Brad and say she did something to deserve it.
Maybe the poster is saying that with how easily you can loose parental rights it says something that Brad did not. There is no need to make this something more that it is, I have no idea why there needs to be so much hostility when were really have two sides of the story here.
Excellent commentary, especially since it is widely known that AJ insists upon an absence of boundaries and rules. They do not like chores, they don’t like rules and boundaries, which BP has tried to instill…
Even if the kids know what happened, they are all young and are living with their mom full time. Given how low class they have both been in handling this divorce, I don’t believe for one second that Angelina is refraining from saying bad things about their father in their presence. She’s probably encouraging it, so I don’t find it surprising that the kids remain traumatized. If this doesn’t fit the bill of parental alienation I don’t know what does. If she’s behaving like this publicly, there is no reason to believe she is not drilling it in their heads that the father is awful and they are all better with mom. Perhaps she’s counting on the judge asking all of them to choose which parent they want to stay with since she knows the judge will grant 50/50. She should have a chat with Halle Berry and see how well parental alienation worked for her.
Brad is no better but it seems like he is in a defensive mode and is launching missiles at her after being attacked from day one PUBLICLY. One of them should be the adult in this situation and extend an olive branch so they could sit down and talk. Of course the lawyers will not advise it because they won’t get paid if things resolve quickly. Neither will the therapists who have their own interests as well. I come down harder on Angelina because imo she has not indicated at all that she’s interested in anything else other than possessively keep the kids with her all the time. He tried to talk to her initially, is submitting to therapy/drug testing and also wants joint, not sole custody but she continues on her path publicly so. He could remain silent and take the high road to hers, sure, but these are mega stars with a lot of stake outside of their personal lives. She has been by far the most dissapointing celebrity to me. I thought she was so classy and now all I see is a narcissist.
I don’t think Angelina will need much help with encouraging parental alienation if the things that Brad actually did happen to be true. In that case, then he’s done all the work himself, and she’s likely just watching the train wreck or attempting to mitigate the damage. Or manipulating the perception of it on the part of the public to make it more beneficial to her. Who knows.
THIS
There is no doubt something awful went down on that day. Brad drunk, marriage already going downhill, and in an argument with his mother, when his teenage son got in the middle, he had an altercation with his teenage son. It’s public because someone called DFS. Some say Angie or someone on her team did. I don’t think so, because I think she’s mad about the public humiliation.
BUT no one wants a peek in at their life at their lowest moment, a moment that looks horrible watching it. Angie says he doesn’t want what happened that day out there. Of course he doesn’t. No one in their ugliest moment with their child would. He has paid a price. He agreed to everything while DFS was investigating. He has been cleared. He has complied with everything for these months. He barely ever gets to see his children, basically not in their lives at all. Don’t tell me it’ wrong that he asked for an extra hour a week. He loves his children. Sure, Maddox will take a while to fix their relationship and he’s not pushing on the older boys. But I don’t believe for a second all these months later it is healthy for the younger kids to be basically out of their father’s lives. All that had to be done was to show some grace and agree to him having an extra hour, not falling back on Angie’s response, that it’s up to the therapist. Those are only recommendations. They are the parents. There is so much animosity and anger. I get it. But sometimes stop letting it cloud your judgment and put it aside a little for the little ones.
It’s not that I don’t think Angie should have the kids right now. I do. It is that four months later, when he has in absolute good faith complied with everything, holding his feet to the fire on this beyond-punitive visiting agreement I disagree with. He is the father of those children and he has been a great father the bulk of their relationship.
I have worked with divorce attorneys as clients for years and been in divorce court for divorce or child custody hearings and seen and heard it all. A little grace for the children’s sake goes a long way.
This isn’t Angie hate. She’s the most beautiful woman of her generation and is admirable in all she does. I genuinely like her live interviews and find her warm and down to earth with her beautiful smile and connect with her pain over the loss of her mother. So stop with the misogyny attacks. Both shouldn’t lashing out in public. But my problem has always been not that Angie has the kids and agreed Brad needed to work on issues, But some on here turned him into some kind of monster, bimbo, bad parent. He’s a human being, who has hit a bad patch in his life. But she says he doesn’t want us to see what happened on the plane. It wouldn’t change my mind. What was reported was far worse that was fake, crazy drunk out on the tarmac, stealing a truck, blah, blah. We all probably imagine worse than was on the plane. I would still think all these months later, after suffering a steep price for that, that he should have more visiting time with the younger ones. They love their father. And I have no doubt Angie is going after full physical custody because she has never had to share her kids before.
I have said once before my father got into with my teenage brother and it got physical. It was ugly. It was a low moment for my dad as a parent because my brother pushed him to the brink with my dad losing control angerwise. I witnessed it as did my younger sister. Thank God, nobody was involved and took my father away from us. He was a wonderful father and my brother adored my father throughout their adult lives until the day he died. He misses my dad greatly. Teenage kids can be trying. That doesn’t excuse Brad. I’m saying he didn’t behave as a parent should, the adult, and lost is temper in a horrible way. It doesn’t define him for his whole life as the present and loving father he has been to these kids, all per Angie I must say.
They need to go behind closed doors and work this out. They can’t control all the tons of fake rag mag stories, but they can control what they are putting out there to hurt the other one. Both are at fault.
In agreement with MichLynn. Re: Therapy
A parent could say “If you’re not comfortable, you don’t have to stay.” So subtle.
Or they could say “We need to mend fences. This will help.”
Lord knows I don’t KNOW a thing but I think the are taking cue from Mom who has total control at present.
Fact is older boys are reported to have walked out of therapy.
To quote an attorney I know — ‘there are no winners’ in divorce-custody battles. His family’s firm stopped handling any family law cases because of it.
Thanks for that Jayna, it puts a lot of what I think into words.
Jayna , wonderful post and I agree with every word.
@Meandyou. I agree. I think she has spent the last few months manipukating those kids. Its easy with kids, you dont even have to be explicit. Just remove photos and stuff their dad liked from around the house. Have zero engagement with him in their presence. Give them everything they want and be the funnest they have ever known you but change the instant his name comes up. When his name comes up, weep for their pity like your Oscar depends on it. Give them a distorted idea of family unity so that they think that if one of us has a problem with X then we all have a problem with X. Withold affection from any kid breaking ranks and encourage other kids to do the same, then love bomb them when they cold shoulder their dad. And when the judge gets around to asking the kid whether his mum told them to hate dad, they can truthfully say no because she never explicitly did.
Yes kids can be manipulated without the mother technically saying a word. And the longer kids go without seeing the other parent very much, the worse it gets. Also if kids are not very forthcoming with therapist, that therapist is going to go by what the mom is saying they feel because she’s been around them the whole time. Angie objecting to an extra hour a week is very telling. And don’t tell me it’s the therpaist’s decision, she is still the mom and can agree to it.
I hope this isn’t happening and if it is then it is not knowingly done. MichLynn, I agree with you about that extra hour, that and arguing in court against sealing the papers in court before Christmas are both worrying to me.
The kids barely see their father since September which means she has a lot of time to brainwash them. Honestly said, I don’t think he will have a lot to do with the kids after the divorce. Maybe he will start a new family with another woman, who knows. We’ll see.
Brainwash?! Really?! Ay ay ay!
It’s easier than you think, the Ramona’s comment above shows you a few ways.
I have the feeling Jolie and Pitt have forgotten that they have children. It’s more a “revenge-divorce” and the children are their weapons.
@indira
With people being so willing and ready to throw Mom Angelina, the responsible custodial parent under the bus you’d have quite the case if Brad hadn’t allegedly attacked his child, traumatizing the other ones.
That kind of throws a wrench in the ‘their both to blame’ contingent.
By the way, the misogyny is so gross here- it’s no surprise how we got the P-grabber in chief over Hillary when women do this religiously to each other. In post after post on these boards, they always start out saying how they’re *both* sooo awful, and then in the body they do nothing but kick Angelina in the head.
While also arguing that Brad has done everything perfect and right (after allegedly attacking his kid) so why can’t mean witch Angie prematurely stop all the legal and professional therapy crap that Brad agreed to and give over the children unsupervised.
Please more posts on how awful SHE is.
Reminds me of so much of ‘yea Trump colluded with Russian KGB, hacked democracy, slyly winked to kkk and neo nazis, scammed widows out of their savings, never released taxes, assaulted various women including his ex-wife..’
But Hillary’s email server y’all.
Team kids. Don’t really care about AJ and BP, they also don’t care about their images, so why should I? I feel sorry for the kids, especially Maddox who receives a lot of negative comments on websites like DM.
WTF is wrong with people? why would anyone talk smack about the kids?!
call Jolie or Pitt whatever you want, call out their behavior, etc. but leave the kids, who are the victims in all of this, ALONE!
sorry, that anger was not directed at YOU…
Don’t worry, I know what you mean. It’s really sad that some people start attacking their children, it has a lot to do with the anonymity on the Internet.
Which is why I keep saying that Brad needs to issue a statement.
Unfortunately, it’s their parent’s fault. BOTH of them. They used those kids to promote their various projects for years, and gave the general public total access to all of them. I thought it was disgusting then, and think it’s even worse now.
no brandyalexander. it is the fault of so called ADULTS who are choosing to shit talk children on the internet.
just because kids faces are recognizable doesn’t magically absolve adults from behaving like adults when online.
if adults are saying disgusting things about some kids whose faces they’ve seen, that means the “adults” are disgusting.
holy crap, is there no concept of personal responsibility anymore?
end of story.
@ kay, well that goes without saying. But everyone knows internet trolls are going to internet troll, and PARENTS should limit what is put out to protect their children, especially celebrity/famous parents. Most of what I see people making fun of these children for comes from direct quotes from their parents, disclosed in their interviews/magazine spreads. As far as I am concerned, neither of them have ever done a good job protecting these children.
As a former Brangeloonie (albeit not a worshiper) this is sad to see. It’s also gross how there are so many wanting to say that Brad did nothing wrong Angelina is evil etc. His initial press releases to People indicate that he did do something wrong. I completely believe that he bought surveillance tapes etc and was able to prevent getting exposed as being out of control. And yes I’m betting things weren’t great before then but they were also together for a long time. And they very clearly were passionately in love at one point. The big mistake Angelina is making is making it a tit for tat and unlike some I think she still does have feelings for him(that’s not to say I believe they’ll reconcile). If not she would let go of trying to win every little point. To be honest it’s kind of eerie to me as I’ve seen more than one divorce play out this way. I do feel awful for the kids but I think both of them are in a fog of sorts and being manipulated by lawyers on top of everything else.
As rumors of actor Brad Pitt’s conduct at the Falls International Airport Sept. 14 continued to grow over the weekend, local officials reiterated that gossip reported in some national and state media outlets was not true.
The airport is managed by Thor Einarson, whose business, Einarson Flying Service, also has a contract with the airport to provide fuel.
Einarson was the driver of the fuel truck that refueled the Pitts’ jet.
From: September 27, 2016
Asked Monday whether Pitt or anyone else attempted to board the fuel truck on that day, Einarson said, “Absolutely did not. It is a totally false story. Nothing, I repeat, nothing happened out of the ordinary that evening.
“No one got on to or attempted to steal our fuel truck,” he continued. “If it happened, I would be first to pursue legal action. Nothing out of the ordinary outside standard operating procedures, standard routine, happened.”
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The mayor said he does not believe the Federal Aviation Administration has gotten involved, and suggested it would be if there was truth to the rumor that Pitt boarded a fuel truck.
“There is not an investigation going on by either the FAA or the FBI or any law enforcement agency,” Einarson said. “No one contacted us and we’re not expecting that because we have gone on the record with our statement that nothing happened.”
Anderson said, “It certainly is concerning to me as chairman of the airport commission that this kind of thing gets out and gets away, because we strive to keep the privacy of those folks who come through here. Law enforcement was never called, there was no video — we do not have that kind of security there.”
That there is no video from the airport to support that the celebrity couple got into an argument in the air, and that it continued on the tarmac at the Falls airport is contrary to some media reports.
“We do not understand how this vicious rumor, this totally false story, got started and how it grew on itself,” Einarson said. “I was there, I was the only person outside of the crew and passengers on the aircraft that got onto aircraft. Nothing illegal or out of ordinary happened.”
http://www.ifallsjournal.com/news/local/officials-pitt-stories-not-true/article_89d83f34-86b0-5117-8fac-4dec53b57adf.html
Notice I said ‘something’. I believe he did ‘something’ and was able to pay people off and keep it quiet because he’s Brad Pitt and it probably didn’t meet the standard of a serious crime. The airport said no one tried to steal their truck that’s very specific and the FBI did make several contradictory statements but basically admitted they were investigating. Even Pitt friendly sources were saying there was surveillance tape in the beginning.And as Jenns said below having CPS close a case isn’t the same thing as saying nothing happened.
All one has to do is look at Tiger Woods or Bill Cosby to know that tabloids will cover up celebrity peccadilloes for access.
Luca, I too think something happened.
There’s a lot of somethings that are bad parenting, but aren’t illegal.
I don’t like the false equivalency either. Angie was never investigated, because she hasn’t done anything wrong/ Brad was, because he did something wrong or borderline wrong. That makes them speaking out on the situation unequal from the start. She doesn’t deserve the shit she’s getting.
And I don’t believe this, mainly because if you read the emails submitted by Wasser to the court………….you see the back and forth between Wasser and Spiegel….and Wasser outright says that the goal is joint custody between the two of them. Angelina also released a statement saying how glad she was for the investigation of Brad to be concluded.
What I see now via the court docs, is them fighting/disagreeing about how to proceed with the kids and visitation. Angelina wanted to wait and see what the therapists said; Brad didn’t trust the therapists. Both agreed that the therapists weren’t doing much good, as the kids were not opening up to them.
But given that they are about to seal (something Angelina should’ve agreed to from the get go–no idea why she didn’t)……..I imagine that we’re getting the end of court docs via TMZ.
I know this is a gossip site but reading most of these comments makes me shake my head. Obviously most of you have never had someone close to say something so hurtful it changed your relationship with that person in an instant. I have and it is devastating. In my case there would have been no abuse charges filed but what was said could not be unsaid. None of us know what truly happened or was said. We never will. None of us can say with factual knowledge that this is parental alienation and the kids are not really traumatized. None of us know crap about any of it. While I think both are being petty with the releases the are doing, I honestly feel the best route would be to stop reading about it, stop reporting on them and the process until all is said and done. And all sides of this debate need to stop assuming they truly know anything about these people. We know what they want us laymen to know and that is it.
This. Especially if there are children involved. Some folks are puzzled as to why Angelina Jolie would leave, if Brad only said/did something to the children and not to her personally. That’s honestly astounding to me because I know parents who have issued strict ultimatums to their spouses who have harmed, or attempted to harm, or just threatened to harm, their children. It’s not that off the mark for it to happen. I also know parents who stood by while their spouse went ahead and treated their children badly, all the while having the power to put a stop to the situation and still doing nothing. Those are the parents whose kids don’t speak to them anymore.
I agree. I feel people are taking this personally. All I see is one side blaming the other and a bunch of projection and speculation being toted as fact.
The fact that people are willing to say things like, Brad doesn’t care about their kids or Angie doesn’t care about thier kids is gross.
The fact that people have no qualms calling this man a alcoholic junkie with no proof what so ever is gross. The fact that they are both leaking stuff but one side claims the other isn’t is crazy.
The fact that the writer has compared Brad to Trump (saying that he must have gotten the Trump treatment when it came to the FBI clearing him) only adds to the turmoil that is the comment section.
It isn’t about the parents, it isn’t about us, and they don’t have to make public statements or apologies, because at the end of the day it is about the kids.
Yet it seems like to some ppl it’s about being on #teamBrad or #TeamAngie
Thank you for speaking sense.
So well said.
Do you guys think they still love each other?
I think Brad feels a combination of love and hate towards her. I think she feels pure loathing towards him. I think she fell out of love with him a long time ago. Just the impression I’m getting from reading about them.
I have to agree with this as well. There are lots of parental and familial units I know where either one or both the parents are dysfunctional, but their actions aren’t criminal in nature, so neither CPS or the law enforcement can really do much. However, that doesn’t mean that the children in question wouldn’t be better off if they weren’t removed from their parent(s); it just means that whatever is going on doesn’t constitute as criminal behaviour, so CPS can’t do anything about it.
It’s obvious to me that both sides of the situation are trying to shore up public support, but I do think that AL has an edge in this case. If nothing else, I think that this is one thing in which she’s got the right idea, and it irks me sometimes to see Brad Pitt try and lash out for his own benefit. They should just focus on putting their children first, and he always seems to be the one who’s in the press or making a statement to the press or initiating some kind of contact with them for some reason. It seems like she’s always responding to his comments. He’s not going to win very many points in this way. And neither is she. I can’t put into words how much I loathe parents who let their ego get in the way of the well-being of their children. It ALWAYS backfires on them both. This isn’t a game, this isn’t a movie they have to build publicity for–it’s their children. They didn’t ask for this. Whatever the situation, it has to be resolved internally without having to run to the press every 3.25 seconds for some new, contrived angle to make one of them look better.
I would say this is backwards, really. The first to issue a statement was AJ “for the health of the family.”
Brad has been consistently quiet…
I think their media dragging of each other is more traumatizing then anything they could have heard or seen. Just imagine all your friends being able to google your parents and the shit they have said about or have done to each other. Stop traumatizing them further and get out of the spotlight.
Thank you!
They are both reprehensive human beings. BOTH of them. Poor kids.
@Onika
…and by “both,” you mean Angelina. Lol
Yea we see you.
Who does that?
Today, a husband murdered his wife and mother in law. A woman on the street says, I’m sure the wife did something to set him off, she was a real bish. He was such a nice guy.
That’s what these threads remind me of.
They barely criticize Brad Pitt.
The worst he gets on average here, is to be lumped into the vague and general ‘they BOTH suck’ postings. Which as mentioned, usually go on to only excoriate the Mom trying to get her family healthy through therapy the abusive parent agreed to, then wanted to renege on.
Pretty disgusting behavior.
Women do better.
Well, in the example you gave above, the fact was the man murdered the woman.
In this case, we have no such crime, not a shred of evidence of anything. It is reprehensible to accuse someone of doing something with not a shred of evidence.
Brace yourself because the same five or so people who comment on every post and accuse you of being misoyginsitic are about to show up I feel it.
It’s funny how on a site as heavily moderated as this that those comments always get through.
Yep.
Non of my ‘pro’ Kate comments in the Prince William threads are ever approved.
I’ve given up posting in the Jolie-Pitt threads.
It’s also impossible on this site to write all the facts in Depp/Heard’s divorce case.
Really? That’s too bad, Menlisa. I think balance is a good thing.
@lolypop
It’s exhausting. I can’t even go there anymore. I have a couple of theories though.
No Its because of her more if not all imo
Lol ofcourse you think that …even with everything against Brad he’s the “Prince Charming”…..it’s still a man’s world folks…..I mean the fact that even though crumbs of truth are in favor of Jolie it’s still too much for those who hate/dislike/distrust jolie to accept that!….they go from its her-to both-NO!…he acted a fool & some of you are in denial of that…& I sort of believe the fact that the kids were witness to this made the divorce decision that much more definite..what example would she be to her girls if she stuck with him after the alledged “verbal/physical abuse”
The problem is between Brad and the kids and how much what Brad is going through is depression, drugs, drinks and it has affected his relationship with his children.
I think Angelina was already dealing with Brad’s altered behavior at least from the beginning of the year. We began to see Brad traveling alone and not one of the children staying with him, all stayed with Angelina and her brother James began to accompany the children and Angelina. I think in July there are pictures of Angelina without a wedding ring and in August there’s a video of Brad brining with Angelina in a place along with Shiloh …. Brad was as stuck on Angelina as if she was going to disappear …. maybe she Tried to give him one more chance …. but apparently what happened on the plane was the last straw.
From the documents of Angelina’s lawyer since the day of the incident the children were only with Angelina and the therapists who are the same of the “voluntary agreement” that are connected to the DCFS had begun to treat the children … certainly as soon as they landed in LA They were interviewed and agreed to the safety plan and Brad only managed to have the first count with the children after almost a month ….. in this situation if Angelina continued with him the children would risk being taken from her as well.
Can I ask you a question? In fact this is a question for any and everyone saying that Brad had Alcohol and Drug issues, is there any proof of this?
Why do people keep accusing him of being a addict?
I’m seriously asking, besides the fact that he may or may not have been drunk during the incident and is getting tested (from his own will as I understand it) what other proof is it that he is depressed,a alcoholic and is on drugs?.
Did something else happen that I’m not aware of?
I’ve wondered that myself. I think it’s likely, but as far as I know, there hasn’t been any sort of proof, admission, rehab, etc.
Angelina’s divorce papers said substance abuse was an issue in the home.
Allegedly he likes to experiment and mixed his drugs with steroids, then has roid rage episodes.
Especially since he has tested negative. Again, this is malicious gossip.
“I think Angelina was already dealing with Brad’s altered behavior at least from the beginning of the year. We began to see Brad traveling alone and not one of the children staying with him, all stayed with Angelina and her brother James began to accompany the children and Angelina.”
yup, other people noticed that as well, but when pointed out, it was dismissed as “Brad’s going to places where the kids wouldn’t be safe/interested etc” and “James has ALWAYS traveled with Angie”.
I DEF noticed James Haven’s presence was more common but, like a lot of folks, chalked it up to both parents being busy and why not have Uncle James act as “nanny”? the kids probably love him, he and Jolie have always been close, and he’s a trusted family member.
but, like with any break up, the signs were there but people didn’t want to see them. hindsight brings out all the “oh, remember when…?” moments.
Actually, the last time he flew alone with one of the kids he was caught on a flight from Dubai drunk with Maddox sitting next to him. A fan on the flight snitched. After that we never saw him at airports alone with the kids. I believe she did leave them with him in London when he was filming the flop and she flew to La for editing work on FTKMF. I also recall seeing photos of the twins on the set of his next flop war machine.
When they were in Cambodia they got matching tattoos and we’re still loved up. There are more recent photos of them awkwardly hugged up in a Jamba Juice- the Jamba Juice thing was probably a few weeks before the plane incident and was blurry security footage lol
Jaime was starting to do more stuff that brad Pitt should be doing with them like throwing a baseball at the park and spending quality time with them. (Paparazzi photos)
And there’s twitter on the plane incident the same day, but as soon as the divorce news came out the person deleted, I wish someone had saved:
The woman said, oh my god I just saw Brad Pitt roll out of a private plane drunk at the airport
I think they are taking shots at each other in public because they have not met face to face since this happened. Their anger with each other has built up and they are expressing it this way. I don’t understand why no therapy or joint counselling or mediation has not been required sooner? Think if they met straight after investigation closed, all this would be more amicable & no dirty laundry aired? They need to talk it out & not through lawyers & public domain. The sooner the better!
This is not news her lawyer already said in the email exchange with his lawyer that the kids need a trauma specialist and he accepted to hire a specialist, the both know that the kids need to adjust what happened in that plane whether it was bad or not. This back and forth is nothing it just hurt the parents not the kids, the kids already had therapists that help them to cope and hopefully they come out ok
4 months therapy after one incident on the plane ? Maybe this incident is a smokescreen of something more serious.
My therapy of overcoming almost pathological shyness lasted only 6 months and I was 21 at that time.
They kids not adults they need time
Divorce announced Oct 21, approximately 10 weeks ago, not 4 months ago.
What? No. Angie filed Sept. 19th.
AGREED
I thought this new information but realized it’s the same mess from yesterday. People is reporting what was written in the documents Wasser filled in court last month.
Media and our society always give excuses the behaviour of celebrities but it catch-up with them at the end for example Charlie Sheen, I think celebrities should stop hiding behind their PR team and face their problems openly because it will help them to deal with the problems as it does not help in the long run
I just want to point out the flaw in people using the “Child Protection cleared him so obviously he should have more contact”. Having worked with Child Protection in the past, there are points you are not considering. First, CP offices can be extremely over worked, and unfortunately, many social workers have giant case loads. If they are able to close out a case, they will. And it’s nothing against the workers, sometimes their managers will make them. So, cases that aren’t as severe (and sometimes severe cases), get closed out if things look to be in order. Let’s look at what’s happening here. What would CP do if they kept this case open? Make Brad take drugs tests, counseling for the family, the kids, the adults, supervised visitation? That’s usual. BUT THAT’S ALREADY HAPPENING BY COURT ORDER. And a therapist is even supervising the visitations. The court is doing what CP is doing. So why would they keep the case open when someone is already doing their work. It’s being taken care of, and that’s what CPS wants to see. And I will say, two very wealthy adults are going to be able to provide resources that most of us cannot access. CP is going to go spend their time working with people who don’t have these protections in place. I don’t have a horse in this race, but it bugs me that people think CPS clearing an adult means nothing is too wrong. I’ve seen cases cleared and children return home and die, and this was a great worker who believed they were doing the right thing. So CPS clearance isn’t the end all of an argument.
THERE IS NO COURT ORDER. They have not yet gone to court. He is doing all those things voluntarily to prove his competence as a father. He’s getting his ducks in a row so when they do go to court, she’ll have no ammo.
My bad. That will teach me to use all caps 🙂 But my point still stands. Doing all of this voluntarily (with an agreement between the two parties) with checks in place, CPS would probably close on many families in this situation. Especially a family in the public eye with financial means.
I genuinely hope that all of this is just over precaution for sensitive children and two adults who are hurting. I hope that both adults deeply believe their actions are the best for their family, whether it’s tough love or sacrifice or whatever.
I just believe think the closing of the family services file says as much as people think it does. I’m passionate about the system working for the general public, and keeping children safe. For workers, having to say at some point, this is a bad parent but it doesn’t hit the limit of needing supervision, just our freedom to raise/not raise children as we choose, I don’t know how they step back. My respect is out to you all!
@Tanakasan
What are you talking about? “She’ll have no ammo?”
Careful your extreme bias against Angelina the mother, who was not a fool on a plane allegedly attacking a child, is showing.
He’s doing “all those things,” which include drug/alcohol testing and therapy for himself and his children because it’s the arrangement and program BOTH initially agreed to if he wants shared custody.
So why are you trying to make it seem like Angelina won’t give him shared even if he gets clean and healthy and follows the professional recommendations?!
Oh i get it, when he eventually does get shared custody after having been forced into a kind of modified rehab, you want to make it seem like Angelina lost because she was wrong.
I see you. Lol
Angelina’s always said the arrangement was temporary contingent upon Brad and the family getting help.
All the woman hating and misogynistic garbage being thrown at her head won’t change reality.
Not only was there no court order, if the situation had been that bad, don’t you think rehab would have been ordered?
The pitty party started when they sealed the documents, his people already run to people magazine and page six
Brad Pitt saw his children over the Christmas holiday, amid his ongoing divorce battle with Angelina Jolie.
A source tells PEOPLE that the actor had one visit with several of the younger kids.
Pitt, 53, and Jolie, 41, have a voluntary temporary custody agreement in place that allows the actor supervised visitation with the children.
These threads are absolutely astonishing. I have a headache
Happy New Year Shamby!! Missed you tons. This thread got really crazy REALLY fast. <3 Don't even bother with the one from yesterday. Cray central.
Happy New Year, LD! Much 2017 love to ya, babe.
Oh, I saw it. I rarely comment on these threads since the divorce dropped, except to jump in occasionally and then question why I hate myself enough to do that to me, lol. But I am watching, I am always watching. And the crazy comes quick and hard, no matter what day of the week it is.
I was in a feisty mood, so I went at it for a little. I’m also writing a paper on the socioeconomic status and breastfeeding initiation in California mothers, so I tend to comment more on those days when I plug this out and am in front of my computer for way too long!! Any day of the week they come in full force.
I agree. He’s a drug addict, she’s brainwashing kids/alienating them, he needs to release a statement, they’re both childish, the kids traumatized, CPS, FBI, visitation, Wasser this, Spiegel that..etc
My head hurts. I hope this is resolved quickly and the entire family heals soon.
Yes! Yesterday and today’s thread is nerve wrecking. So many individuals acting like they know all the facts. Brad is abusive, Angelina is alienating her kid’s father and so on… We don’t know anything. I don’t like how they’re making this so public but I’m not going to act like I know the in and outs of this situation.
I agree. The level of anger and hatred this situation provokes has astonished me; celebitchy is usually so friendly and lighthearted. I guess the themes involved touch a lot of people’s nerves.
I know right? I think people are so invested because they are such a high profile family that us celeb followers loved to follow. And the themes now are some that many of us have gone through or experienced with friends and family, i.e. Bitter divorce, alleged substance abuse, working out custody. It does strike a nerve in people.
Does anyone else remember when Jennifer Aniston said that Brad Pitt was “missing a sensitivity chip” now he is trying to say Angeline has “no self regulating mechanism”.
Sounds a little too familiar… nice try publicists he is the common denominator here! Lol
i have never liked her but at the time, it did seem insensitive for Brad (and Angelina) to do a magazine spread which had no connection to the movie they were promoting posing as a family full of kids knowing that was a sore subject for Jennifer. A very dysfunctional family where the man was abusive and the wife kept appearances and endured. Oh wait a second now….
@Meandyou
Oh gee, was the Steven Klein spread a sore spot for you?
I guess you won’t feel any better if you knew that’s on record as being all Brad’s idea.
Angelina was slated to do a solo spread with him and Brad inserted himself into the mix with this ready made idea about this early 1960s family suffering domestic abuse. Pretty dark and twisted but he claimed it fit with darkness of Mr and Mrs Smith.
Angelina was just a bystander who said, sure why not.
It’s odd that you’re accusing Angelina, who I’ve found to seem nothing if not a diplomat, fair and honest to be ‘alienating’ her kids even as they attend the therapy sessions with professionals that she’s encouraging.
You do know there are ways for courts and therapists to determine if alienation is happening through a parent’s design, and yet still there are women all over these boards accusing her of it based on ZERO evidence. The same women who will sling back in response that we really don’t know if Brad has an abuse problem or what he did on that plane.
Oddly enough, they find this dichotomy, not at all worriesome.
Why you even said Angelina Jolie is the most disappointing celebrity for you this year. Not Brad Pitt, the father who is accuses of being a drunkard attacking his child…but Angelina Jolie, the mom and currently the only responsible primary custodial parent they have who’s trying to heal them.
This is some sickening stuff. Classes in women studies shoukd definitely take a look at these attitudes. Would explain so much about our current political predicament.
Yeah, that spread was a shitty thing to do and was absolutely insensitive. Their characters in Mr and Mrs Smith didn’t have children, and there was no way either of them were ignorant to the speculation it would have invited (and did invite).
I can see a lot of scenarios that fall under traumatic but not criminal, neglectful or the states view of abusive.
I think it’s pretty clear that the prolonged trauma of a messy public divorce is damaging too. Maybe more damaging, maybe less. It might be different for every child.
As protective and loving parents as them seem to be, it’s very shocking that both sides would continue a public battle of this scope.
Whatever happened on the plane, I think This situation has arisen because these parents are not communicating (they are letting their hired guns do that) they are not coparenting (sole custody?) and they are not placing the best interests of their children above what they perceive to be their own ( although I’m sure each would argue they are doing what is best for the kids) otherwise they would not be engaging in a public conflict over said children. They have the power to stop this conflict today so I’m judging both of them for this cluster all the while knowing that otherwise pretty nice people going through a divorce will act like jerks.
Divorce tends to bring out the absolute worst in everybody. These two are no exception.
They are both a pathetic disgrace. Never cared for either one of them, but they officially make me physically ill.
If they make you physically ill then maybe you need to step back a bit and detach yourself emotionally.
Don’t confuse it. I am not attached emotionally to these two. It’s an expression. They will not get one chunk of puke from me.
I’m sure they are more traumatized by having their father ripped from their lives. Even if the incident was upsetting, Angie has insisted it was an isolated incident. I have known many people who have had one isolated incident with a parent – yelling, a shove, a slap. It’s awful, but usually the parent learns something and they are able to rebuild a deeper relationship. Parents are not gods, they are flawed humans.
Well, brad Pitt’s lawyer says the older children that can’t be forced to see him do not want to see him. that says a lot- that even after months of therapy they still want nothing to do with him… Not even to get Christmas presents.
I wonder when enough will be enough and therapist will realize they are not helping the older boys reconcile with the father. Angelina is going to have to let it go – she can’t force them to forgive brad pitt and she can’t force brad pitt to be a better father to them.
your last paragraph is making me so sad.
hoping it doesn’t come to that.
These are kids. And they are very spoiled kids. Kids who do not have rules, boundaries, order, and balance in their lives. So if they don’t want to see Dad, because Dad makes them clean up, and put away their toys, because Dad may punish them by taking away their IPADS, then that does not have ANY value in condemning Pitt.
It’s a well known fact that Pitt liked more order and AJ didn’t believe in boundaries. The kids, especially the older ones, may be SPOILED. This does not mean that Pitt is abusive. AJ & Pitt may parent differently.
I’ve mostly stayed out of this, but I’m so tired of the claims that DCFS closing the case meant nothing happened. My experience as a pediatric nurse disproves this. These following patients had their DCFS cases closed:
1. A boy whose father punched him in the face. He spent the night because of a mild concussion. He was so sad and meek that he broke my heart. He was Dc’d to his home.
2. A pregnant 12 y/o with hyperemesis. She was so emotionally immature that she would color with crayons between bouts of vomiting. The nurses believed she was molested. Dc’d home.
3. A 2 y/o girl with a spiral fracture in her leg – which would have been caused by being twisted. Mom claimed the girl fell off the couch while only mom was home. Dc’d home.
DCFS workers obviously care about children, why else go through the extensive training and stress of the job. But time is limited, and so are funds. And I don’t care what anyone says, people with great wealth are treated differently, even if it’s unconsciously. Exhibit A: Brooke Mueller still has her kids.
This needs to be said, thank you.
Exactly. I believe the only reason he was still with a therapist and drug testing is because the older children spoke up. If it was just little kids it would have been the end.
His team released the “cleared” news so that he could traipse all over the world creepily smug and smiling while his kids were still traumatized.
People believe that DCFS do their work accurately this agency make a lot mistake and because of them some kids are in danger by trusting family testimony in favor of the parents
I cannot even believe I am commenting on this, but to the point – I agree that DCFS sucks and overlooks many glaring cases of abuse and neglect. I say this as a former CPS (DCFS) employee (not an investigator – I was a social worker), but I imagine, given the high-profile nature of Brad and Angie, they aren’t getting the standard DCFS treatment. I mean c’mon…
Not defending Brad or Angie, but I get tired of people citing how DCFS is such a failure (they generally are – 100%) in overlooking abuse that we should assume Brad was cleared when he’s actually a sociopath whose been traumatizing his kids for years. Logically we all know A-list celebrities are not going to be investigated with the same dismissiveness as the rest of the world. They aren’t going to accidentally ‘overlook’ abuse in this case. We’re talking about superstars and Angie, if anything, seems extremely cautious, so I doubt she’d be on board with Brad getting cleared in oversight, or as a PR move.
I’m guessing Brad and Angie have had a strained relationship for a while, combined with a couple teenaged kids, and there have been some arguments and he probably snapped. It’s wrong. Absolutely. I actually hope it was mainly an isolated incident because they can rebuild from that fairly quickly if everyone moves on with encouragement, optimism, and just accepting that it happened but it was a mistake. I think Angie seems extremely smart and compassionate so I hope she’s encouraging her kids to view their dad as a human, who loves them – and he, vice-versa. They need to stop in the press though ASAP. And if it was an isolated incident, than they need to stop dwelling on it. If it was a pattern of Brad’s, that’s a different story… it seems to me though that both parents have always had a close and loving relationship with the kids (well, at least from the small glimpse I see in the press).
I can certainly recall a time or two when my parents snapped – particularly in the teen years, and once my dad even smacked me (the horror!). Immediately after it happened my mom screamed at him, even. We laugh about it now because it was so out of character and since I’m a parent I see how kids push you to the brink. It’s sort of become a family joke ‘that time dad spazzed…’ My mom had her moments too and we are very close family. I hate that I’m even speculating because well, we don’t know them and I feel gross, but they’re humans, and parents, who are learning as they go, day by day. I hope they can work it out a lot more peaceably going forward. I do think that the kids need to see Brad more, and I do think that Angie needs to continue her vigilance but be encouraging of a relationship with dad.
Thankfully she’s not taking his sh-t lying down.
Those photos of brad pitt promoting his flop are Tres creepy knowing what we know now- that he skipped out on therapy and drug tests for that flop and a vacation. Just too bizarro and we are supposed to believe he wants what is best for his kids. Yawn.
Angelina has put her whole life on hold while he traipsed the globe for party and vacay. LoL
People magazine now says he spent sometime with some of the younger kids. Guess Maddox and Pax still don’t want to see him ( we know they don’t want to see him because of HIS lawyer).
This is all just pr work by the adults to show each other up at this point. Whatever level of ongoing upset or trauma, court dates are approaching and joint custody will be granted. There’s absolutely nothing to be served reminding the public via “sources” that something happened four months ago on their plane and the kids were very upset. I’m sure they were, as they are that their parents are permanently splitting and their home lives altered forever forward. We all know something negative ‘happened’, we’ve heard it 20 times before. We get it, Brad screwed up and Angie split.
It’s grandstanding by both Pitt and Jolie. Clam up, and get to work with your lawyers and hash out a manageable, workable schedule to share your kids. Get into some kind of situation where they come first, and won’t have to read this ongoing crap forever on the internet. That’s all that should be happening at this point.
YES!
Can Brad give it a rest and stop running to People Magazine and US Weekly every single time there is any mention of him anywhere? These are legal documents, you don’t need to give a sound bite on them, have your lawyer do their job and then issue a blanket statement that you won’t be discussing what is happening with the press. You want to keep the court filings private yet we hear about every single thing you’ve been doing the past 4 months. These therapists aren’t leaking info about his visits with the kids, his team is. She is this terrible person who insists on him never seeing the kids and he’s doing anything and everything to see them – we get it, Brad, give it a rest. Learn how to self-regulate your lust for good PR.
So I guess no more happy family magazine photo ops like the first cover they did together. I don’t feel sorry for either one of them. They were full of it to begin with.
Look. At the end of the day, who is strolling around in front of the cameras knowing she’s hurting another person.
This isn’t how a marriage ends, folks. Especially not one with children.
Hurting another person? Looks like she’s getting back to life. Was Brad hurting his children when he went on a promo tour and then vacation? Actually, yes , yes he was because he should have been in La doing therapy with his kids. But he chose party and vacation over them.
Oops!
double post.
But i guess Angelina should just hide forever so poor Brad pitt won’t be hurt, lmao.
Definitely exactly what his ex wife fans used to say about pit. “He is hurting her” boo hoo he is not the victim in this case. He’s the abuser even if it was as his lawyer said and “isolated incident”.
Or maybe traveling around the world with a crazy junkie with no structure in their lives is the problem.
I really think this involved a racia slur being uttered at one of the kids.
I hate to even contemplate that, but I’m thinking it’s a distinct possibility. Let us hope and pray that wasn’t the case.
Oh Lord, I didn’t even think of that. DAMN.
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