Yesterday while reporting on Ben Affleck I included a clip of an interview he did in 2004 when he drunkenly groped a Canadian interviewer, had her sit on his lap, talked about her breasts and tickled her. At 4:50 into that interview he said “I just want to talk. All you want to do is have sex all the time.” (I remembered that interview after learning that he’d grabbed then 18 year-old Hilarie Burton’s breast on Total Request Live in 2003.) Well the interviewer, a woman named Anne-Marie Losique, spoke to The Hollywood Reporter and said that it was taken out of context, that it was a “game” and that he didn’t touch her when the cameras weren’t rolling. I think someone called in some favors to get her to say that, although it’s possible she doesn’t want to be part of the conversation and/or believes that the exchange was innocent. Even if Affleck had a relationship with Losique, that behavior at her job when she was supposed to be conducting an interview was wildly inappropriate.
The story about Affleck groping Burton’s breast on camera in 2001 got so much coverage that it was on the top of People Magazine’s site for some time. (Here’s a link to Hilarie’s exchange with another Twitter user about that. That’s just for context, we’ve already talked about it.)
After that tweet Burton embedded a video of the incident and wrote that she had to laugh to keep from crying. In fact laughing is often an automatic nervous response women have to unwanted advances and it’s hard to suppress, especially when it’s your job to act friendly on camera.
Affleck has since apologized and he didn’t go into detail, he just tweeted an apology as damage control probably, but at least he said something.
I acted inappropriately toward Ms. Burton and I sincerely apologize
— Ben Affleck (@BenAffleck) October 11, 2017
How about something a little stronger, like he’s mortified he grabbed her like that and regrets it or no woman should have to put up with that kind of violation? Remember the character limit on Twitter is higher now and he could have written more or just taken a screenshot of a note. I guess his publicist wasn’t available to craft a response for him. One thing that Affleck has not addressed is the fact that noted badass Rose McGowan, who has hinted for over a year that Harvey Weinstein raped her, called Ben out as a liar after his statement condemning Weinstein. She tweeted that he told her at the time that he warned Harvey to stop doing that. Ben has surely heard that McGowan called his bluff and doesn’t want to touch that accusation because it’s likely true.
Just yesterday a makeup artist named Annamarie Tendler tweeted that Affleck grabbed her butt while at a Golden Globes party in 2014, and it wasn’t a mistake as he put his finger in her crack. That’s disgusting and this seems to be part of a larger pattern for him. [via Vanity Fair]
In case people might assume that was an isolated incident (are they ever?) a writer named Jen Statsky (The Good Place, Broad City) has tweeted that her friends were also grabbed by Affleck at that same party:
I was also at this party and *multiple* friends had this same exact experience. https://t.co/GlSIllKqAJ
— Jen Statsky (@jenstatsky) October 11, 2017
So now we know of two cases of Ben’s horrible behavior caught on camera and at least one or more additional times in which he grabbed women at a party. Imagine how much he’s possibly done behind the scenes and what we’re going to hear about him next. Imagine how much shit is about to come out about other actors and Hollywood bigwigs grossly abusing their power by violating women. Affleck probably doesn’t think grabbing women’s boobs and butts or making them sit on his lap is not a big deal because compared to what the other men in his industry do it’s nothing.
Will Affleck go to rehab now? Will he make a statement acknowledging his behavior was despicable? Grabbing and groping women is sexual assault and should not be trivialized. He’s canceled as far as I’m concerned.
The photos of Affleck in the ill-fitting jacket were taken yesterday outside of an outpatient recovery facility, which he visited for the third day in a row. I would say that he should visit a woman’s shelter to listen to their stories but he’d probably proposition them and try to feel their butts in the hallways. I’m being flip but it’s probably true. Credit: Backgrid, Getty
Not if there’s no video of it. 🙄
My thoughts exactly!
My question is – does/did Jennifer know? If she knew and did nothing then I may have to cancel her as well.
I’m not going to start blaming everyone associated with Affleck for his conduct. This is starting to get out of control.
+1
+1 again
Why is she responsible for his awful behavior?
I didn’t say she was responsible for his behaviour only asked if she knew.
She doesn’t strike me as the type who sits quiet about these things.
i wouldn’t drag JG into this; it’s naught to do with her. but she totally is the type of woman who’d be quiet about this, since she has put up with his horrendous behaviour for a decade, and even had children with him.
Unfortunately, butt grabbing isn’t really a rare thing. I’d only blame his wife if she also grabbed or she watched and laughed as he did it. Can’t blame everyone in his life for his rude behavior
He didn’t just grab her butt though. She says he inserted his finger into her crack. That’s more like assault than just plain groping.
Um, try a search for the legal definition of battery.
Groping constitutes battery.
I think the title should be changed to Affleck accused of rape or something that more accurately reflects battery or assault. He was not just butt grabbing, it was digital penetration, which is what sent rapist Brock Turner to jail. What is the legal issue here with saying Affleck accused of digital anal penetration?
I doubt these incidents are isolated, just that they’re “minor” enough for women to not want to mention them. You only have to look at how smoothly he moved to “hug” Burton as a feint before shifting his arm around to tweak her breast just below frame. That’s a practiced move, one he’s clearly done a lot. He also seems to have quite a repertoire of such moves and no sign of nerves while executing them: so again, not a new behaviour.
I’d say he’s pulled this kind of stuff for decades, honestly, why wouldn’t he would be more of a question. He obviously doesn’t sincerely value women beyond how they inform his idea of masculinity, and he’s in a cache where he can get away with it while not being called out as vile.
I remember being amused by David Fincher’s observations of him on the Gone Girl commentary because they seemed pretty on point.
As per my own observations the guy is very entitled with women’s bodies because he isn’t confronted publicly very often, and even then he and Matt are pretty slick with the damage control executed to look like it’s not damage control. If they ever had the real boom dropped on them, I’d imagine they’d get very defensive, very fast though.
@Ladidah I have been raped with penile penetration and also another time with digital penetration. I have also been groped (minorly and severely) on a large number of occasions. They are NOT the same thing! Being groped is awful but it is not the same thing as penetrative rape. Her arse crack is not an orifice. Please do not confuse terminology, it is there for a reason. Whilst this was awful for this woman, I’m sure, it was groping and sexual assault. It was not rape.
Um, @notsosocialbutterfly, maybe you didn’t understand my comment. I’m very aware of the legal definition of battery, but what in the world does that have to do with my saying his wife shouldn’t be blamed for what she didn’t do?
People AREN’T responsible for their loved ones behavior (which was a point I made yesterday regarding Ben and Casey). Wives, in particular, aren’t responsible for their husbands. I don’t know why people kerp jumping to the loved ones rather than focus on those committing the bad acts.
I have generally liked Ben Affleck (while recognizing his problematic behavior but I also felt like he recognized a long time ago that he had demons and had varying degrees of success in confronting them) but this is atrocious behavior and good on the women who experienced it for coming forward.
+1.
She DID do something, she divorced him! What else was she supposed to do? Get on Twitter and say her kid’s father groped women?! Have him charged?
I think we have to really analyze what we are saying when we call on people ‘do something’. What can witnesses or people ‘in the know’ actually do in situations like this? And how do we know they haven’t tried to do what they could? (I.e protect themselves and warn others).
I agree with you emma. She stuck around for ten years trying to reform his nasty ass and it didn’t work. He cheated on her and relapsed into alcohol and gambling time and time again, and she finally left him. NannyGate was the best thing that could have happened to Garner because it forced her to evaluate her situation and leave before he caused her any more public humiliation. Could have been sooner in my book, but at least she finally did it. I doubt she was around when he was groping women. Garner did what she could to try to change him, then learned that Affleck does not and will never change. It’s probably heartbreaking for her, but she and her children are better off.
Yes-I feel like so many of these comments are from 23 year old women in grad school. If you are a cog in a corporate environment and you hear “rumors” about things, there’s really nothing you can do. Harvey Weinstein isn’t the only person out there in a position of power where there were rumors of his “casting couch”.
I am no Jen Garner apologist. That being said unless this is a Camille Cosby case where she was confronted by women he assaulted or witnessed then enabled the assault she really has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Wow, it only took to post #2 to try to also blame a woman.
Again. Just so f*cking sick of comments like these.
This trend is depressing the hell out of me. I can’t believe how pervasive it’s become.
Women are not responsible for the actions of men.
This
This.
The thing we should do is to take a good look at male behaviour. We are always told we’re feminazi’s etc etc, if we take male behaviour to task. That is just a silencing tactic. When I was only 17 and talked to my friends, there was just one who had never been harassed/abused. One had even been raped. Of course none of us told the boys or even blamed men’s behaviour. It seemed more of a ‘crime’ to say there was something wrong with a large group of men than the actual crime was. I also read story after story here on Celebitchy in the last few days about women with such experiences.
Oh sure, there are many nice men, yadda yadda, but too many are not. It’s now time to take their behaviour to task and not that of women.
And one more way to balance power in Hollywood is to support movies by and about women, instead of the 59th Marvel movie with a male, white lead. In the end, it’s the money that gives them this power.
Um, at the risk of getting yelled at and accused of “misogyny,” can’t we look at these situations on a case by case basis? I won’t attack an asshole’s wife or life partner as a first instinct, and yes, I agree that the focus should be on the actions of the asshole, but personally, I’m also not going give anyone involved an automatic pass just because they’re a woman like myself either. Eg: So we can yell at Harvey’s male business associates because they must have known, but not his wife?
I’ve known wives who were aware of their husbands’ bullshit but they still provided PR cover for them and leveraged their own reputations to improve their spouses’, making them out to be great men to the public—even if that meant that other females, or males, would initially feel secure to be around their husbands because they were supposedly “happily married” and “good family men.”
That being said, I don’t know what Jennifer knew or what she did about Ben. What I do know is that she’s also in show business and well-connected so it’s safe to assume that that’s probably quite a bit more than we do. Was she a victim in all this and only stayed with him because of their children? Was she actually complicit in covering up his misdeeds? I don’t know. But I do know that I won’t think of her as innocent or guilty of complicity simply because we’re of the same gender.
” I don’t know what Jennifer knew or what she did about Ben.”
Exactly, no one knows. So no one is in an educated enough position to make the accusation that she DID know. When people have actual evidence to support accusations that someone knew, then go ahead and make that point. But all we have seen so far is people making **baseless** accusations directed at women. That IS misogyny, so please don’t poo poo people with “at the risk of getting yelled at and accused of “misogyny” BS. Don’t try to shame people for calling it when they see it.
There is evidence right now that the higher ups are Weistein’s company knew, as they were involved in payouts and reports had been made to HR. Save your ire for them (and Harvey himself, of course).
@Tiffany, respectfully, your overuse and misuse of the word misogyny is problematic for me, because it lessens its impact. Personally, I save that word for people like Weinstein and Trump. Just because a woman said something that, rightfully or not, questioned another woman—on a gossip site—that doesn’t mean you have grounds to basically accuse her of being an asshole with a deep hatred of her own gender.
Going forward with what I wrote in my last post:
Since society often shits on single moms, I’d like to add that the one who had not been harassed, had been raised by a single mom, where the father was not in the picture.
Out of all of us, she was the most confident and raised to be the least dependent on male approval. If a situation did not seem right to her, she would leave and not care if that hurt a guy’s feelings. This while all the others (including me) had more “maybe he doesn’t mean it like that” and “I don’t want to seem crazy and better leave quietly while still smiling” going on.
We should teach kids safety first, nice a distant second.
+1,000,00 Tiffany.
The problem with these comments is precisely because we DON’T know.
NONE. OF. US. have intimate knowledge of their relationship. I mean FFS did we learn NOTHING from the Gretchen Mol story yesterday? Gossip is called GOSSIP and not facts for a freaking reason.
We don’t know Jen Garner personally.
We don’t know the dynamics of her relationship with Affleck.
We don’t know whether she tried to get him help, tried to hold him accountable, tried to leave but felt compelled to stay.
We don’t know if she went to sleep crying every night because she felt like she couldn’t save him.
We don’t know how she comforted her children who undoubtedly suffered from their father’s transgressions.
We don’t know SHIT about this woman except for the PR narrative that is an amalgamation of what they themselves put out there and what the gossip rags been selling for years.
Without knowing anything for certain, people see no problem in assuming that she is complicit in her husband’s infidelities, that she knew and covered it up because she only cares about her image and protecting her husband.
How the HELL do you not see that as a completely sexist narrative, one that is based on assumptions that are rooted in misogyny and the idea that women are somehow responsible for policing and reporting their male partner’s behavior?
And I can honestly say that I’ve never seen an example where a woman cheated on her husband and the man was shamed and denigraded by women for staying with her. Never would a woman assume that a man in that situation turned a blind eye to their wife’s infidelities because it was more convenient for his public image, the assumption is always that he didn’t know. He is painted as the “good guy” who stood by his wife only to have the “evil bitch” cheat on him.
Greenie,
I absolutely have the grounds to question why people jump to accusations that have no basis in fact. The assumptions are absolutely a part of the ingrained prejudice against women. That is misogyny.
“I mean FFS did we learn NOTHING from the Gretchen Mol story yesterday? Gossip is called GOSSIP and not facts for a freaking reason.:
Exactly, Kitten.
Greenie, I think a good example of this might be Camille Cosby. I believe at least one, if not more, of his victims reported that she was present at their home when an assault took place, purposefully left the victim alone with him, and has since been very public in calling the 60+ women liars and defending her husband. She’s made herself part of the story, and deserves our scorn for protecting and enabling a serial rapist.
Jennifer Garner so far hasn’t said a word. We have no idea what she’s thinking, if she knew, etc. Until we do, the focus should remain on the person who committed the behavior/crime, and not instantly jump to trying to “cancel” her too.
@Tiffany, of course you have every right to question and argue and defend. We all do. As I said, my issue is with your sweeping use of the word misogyny. How are you so certain, from a gossipy question on a gossip site, that the woman who asked it really does have an ingrained, intense contempt for her own gender? Do you have more information on her that makes it very clear that she’s a raging misogynist? Honestly, if you set the bar that low, then you are doing us a disservice. Because the real misogynists love that, and they use that as ammunition against us when they call us lame buzz word-shilling SJWs or feminazis who just want to fight everyone. I feel that accusing just anyone of being a full on misogynist over something like that dilutes the true impact and horror of misogyny.
Anyhow, I hope you have a good day, and yes, thank you, I will indeed focus my hatred, as well as the use of that word, on the people who I feel truly deserve it.
Greenie
Well said. I’ve already had my feminist card revoked on the threads from yesterday so I have nothing to lose by agreeing with you. It seems sexist to me and the exact opposite of feminism to de facto turn every female spouse into a victim until further notice. Forget about agency or the spaces in which we turn over the facts as we know them and form considered opinions. These are serious, disturbing issues and everything should be analyzed. Gretchen Mol should have helped us realze that a victim is a victim when *she* says she is yet Weinstein’s “victim” wife seems to have garnered more defenders than his actual victims do. Not one person that I’ve seen is holding people like Garner or Chapman responsible for Hollywood sexual assault. Not one. But it fits the scope of this horror show to question in what ways the powerful and the elite may or may not be complicit or enablers. In what ways do people balance what they have to lose with who they are as individuals by aligning themselves with abusers? It is only opinion that people like Garner and Chapman turned a blind eye and it is only opinion that they were victims without knowledge or the ability to do anything or at least leave these men. This should be discussed without the feminist version of McCarthyism sweeping the threads. In addition, thes concerns are relevant because of proximity to power, not gender.
Misogyny doesn’t need to be “intense” or “raging”. It is simply an ingrained prejudice. I am talking about implicit, unconscious bias. You are misconstruing my points, using straw men. (Seriously, why did you feel the need to use such amped up terms when I didn’t suggest anything like “raging”?).
Yes, there are those out there that like to attack “feminazis” who stand up for the greater good, but I am not going to let those forces intimidate me from speaking out. Making people reflect on WHY they are suspicious about a person ***without cause*** is a good thing. I will always question when I see racism, sexism, etc.
Tiffany
But you’re not questioning or opening the conversation, you’re accusing, slapping labels on women who don’t measure up to your definition of feminism because they dare to criticize another woman. It’s narrow and reactive and the very opposite of balance.
I am not slapping labels on people, I am slapping labels on actions. Big difference. Once again, straw men are being created (“to de facto turn every female spouse into a victim until further notice”). No one is arguing that point. We are simply saying don’t hold crimes against a woman for which you have no proof.
You note that you are harboring resentment from yesterday’s threads, which I had nothing to do with, so I will leave you with that.
Tiffany
Telling someone they are being sexist, misogynistic or anti-feminist is giving them a label and unfairly saddles them with your definitions. As for me being resentful about yesterday’s thread, nice deflection. Assigning motivation to my comments lets you detract from my conviction and sincerity. As I said yesterday, I am a woc in America. Do you seriously think this is my first time having someone try to define me, explain things to me, question my motives or derail me as a bitter/angry dissenter? These things don’t deter or silence me in the least. There are too many battles to fight. Nice try, though.
I agree with Greenie. Jerry Sandusky and his wife Dottie come to mind. She turned a blind eye to his rape. Many times it happened in their own house. She still claims he’s innocent.
“Telling someone they are being sexist, misogynistic or anti-feminist…”
You need to read my comments again, because nowhere did I tell a person they were being sexist, misogynistic or anti-feminist. I wrote “But all we have seen so far is people making **baseless** accusations directed at women.” In your desire to call me out on something, you have resorted to invention.
I didn’t ready your comments yesterday. You are the one that brought your attitude about yesterday’s discussion (with other people) into this discussion with me. You yourself wrote that it was influencing your comments today. I didn’t assign motivation to you, I read your comment and listened to your own words.
Who is trying to define you? It certainly isn’t me. Unless you take my general comments about misogynistic habits and see yourself in them…but that is something only you can mull over.
@Tiffany Yes, you did slap a label on that poster for asking a baiting question. Lol Btw if you really read my initial post, wasn’t my point that I would not see a person as automatically guilty or innocent simply based on the fact that they were the same gender as myself? Isn’t that what you basically just said to Enough Already, but with a different spin?
Look, I don’t know what your story is, but I’m pushing past a few decades now and I’ve got quite a few doozies of my own. And yes, I’ve been front and center, on the front line, on different fronts, of the fights against misogyny, sexism, prejudice, racism, bigotry. Apparently that stuff just finds you when you’re female, mixed race, outspoken, and (in my former job) around a decade younger than my contemporaries. Oh and with shit taste in men. Lol Maybe that’s why I just can’t get with the way people have been throwing the word misogyny around. For me and many women my age that I know, it’s something far more insidious than the comments of some gossipy chick on a gossip site.
But it’s been asked, didn’t we learn anything from the story of Gretchen Mol? Well, I learned that I shouldn’t believe anything people write about famous folks, especially because those people will usually have an agenda or at least a bias. If you’re going to tell me that I should have learned about the dangers of gossiping about women, you may want to check where you are and what most of us usually do here. I mean, does this now mandate that none of us should ever say anything negative about a female celebrity again, even about Gwyneth or Taylor or PMK, because we don’t actually know them or their real story behind the headlines? Well, my mother did always tell me to not say anything if I had nothing nice to say. /novella
PS. @Enough Already, I’m not really aware of what happened to you yesterday but I’d like to think that your feminist card can’t be revoked for an argument, because last I checked women are allowed to do that… short of you pulling a Karan of course. lol
The difference between Dottie Sandusky and Camille Cosby and this situation is that the victims said they were witness to this behavior. There is NO ONE saying that Jennifer Garner was witness to Ben’s behavior.
The big question: is there factual reason to support an assumption of being complicit? If not, don’t assign guilt until you get proof of wrong doing.
@Greenie: A person doesn’t have to be a man who’s out there sexually harassing and raping women in order to participate in misogyny. Come on now. Let’s not set the bar that low.
(@Enough Already) : “But you’re not questioning or opening the conversation, you’re accusing, slapping labels on women who don’t measure up to your definition of feminism because they dare to criticize another woman. It’s narrow and reactive and the very opposite of balance…Telling someone they are being sexist, misogynistic or anti-feminist is giving them a label and unfairly saddles them with your definitions.”
And yet, that’s a tame version of exactly what many here and elsewhere have been all too comfortable with doing to every single woman who’s had ever had any sort of connection Harvey since this story broke, whether she was one of his victims , or someone saying that he never touched her.
Also, accusing people of not being open to conversation, being too divisive, or being unfair and ‘labeling’ by talking about people’s sexism is exactly how the right responds when they don’t like the way a conversation is going. If only people cared as much about whether they were intentionally or unintentionally promoting misogyny, victim-blaming, etc, as much as they cared about being accused of it. It’s funny how the cries of “Lying, complicit , subservient , selfish Hollywood Concubines! You KNEW and we know he did everything to you no matter what you say!” are seen as fine or ‘just harmless gossip’, but somehow it’s ‘too divisive’, ‘unfair’, and ‘unbalanced’ to hold online commenters accountable for their own complicity.
@Otaku Fairy We are talking about labeling a woman a misogynist for asking a gossip question and making a speculative gossip comment on a gossip website. I’ve been around CB a long time but only started commenting again under a new address (got hacked by ex, y’know, that old story) and I can say with some certainty that by that measure—where someone said something negative and speculative about a woman in context of her S/O—sooooo many CB commenters (even the nice ones) could be called misogynists. Lol
Frankly I don’t even have a problem never saying anything negative about a female celebrity on here again, just in case there’s a back story there that would change the tone of everything. Believe it or not, I am capable of being all sunshine and rainbows. Lol I think accusing people of full on misogyny for gossipy gossip site comments like that one isn’t really doing all that much to help us but hey, if you guys have time, CB commenters would do great with the crazies on CNN’s news feeds (seriously, I’ve muted and blocked so many people).
“You yourself wrote that it was influencing your comments today. I didn’t assign motivation to you, I read your comment and listened to your own words.”
Now you’ re just being creative because I said nothing of the sort. I referenced threads from the previous day that you, by the way, weren’t a part of. Without more information or even a basic understanding of my comment you should have refrained from mentioning it or assigning meaning to it.
“Who is trying to define you? It certainly isn’t me.”
Yet you said upthread that people who make ‘baseless assumptions about women’ satisfies your definition of misogyny. That’s a label and a stupid one. I happen to think Sarah Jessica Parker is an insecure wife and a professional bully. Some might say that is a baseless assumption because I can ‘t prove it but by your criteria that assumption would make me a misogynist simply because SJP happens to be a woman.
“Unless you take my general comments about misogynistic habits and see yourself in them…”
Lol because only a misogynist would take issue with your statements? This is eXACTly the type of smug, self-righteous, dismissive, silencing behavior I’m talking about.
Greenie
I love your backstory 🙂 My opinion is in the minority but I just don’t believe it’s misogyny to criticize a woman. It’s misogyny to criticize someone because she’s a woman. It’s. That. Simple.
I showed these comments to my s-i-l and husband and their stunned shock made me lol. I am definitely that one loudmouth person at the dinner table, office meeting, football game, checkout line etc that you do not want to overhear a sexist comment. At any rate thank you for your consistent and measured commentary.
@Greenie and Enough Already, I hear you and have to agree. To me, your arguments are spot on. EA, you were very clear.
Otherwise, in fact, everyone here is a misogynist for their criticism of you, if you are female; and also for criticism of any number of female celebs in stories here.
When I was 25, I brought two top business execs who were sexist creeps to their knees, and they were forced to undergo months of retraining and restitution and lost promotions for what they did to women who worked for them. I had had it, and used my strength as a woman. Other women then joined me in speaking up. We stood strong when the assumption was we would be fired; we literally did not care. It was our time to fight. Like Enough Already, you’d better not make a sexist comment in my vicinity.
Comments on here about our views on some women, or speculation, are not misogynistic just because we are assesssing women, or because our speculation is different from the opinions of others. If the spouses were male, or if Weinstein had a male partner and was sexually attacking a man, a boy, a girl a woman, I would speculate in the same way about his partner. I am having the same thoughts about industry males. My views and questions are based on vicinity; historic press proliferation of rumors; career preservation choices. These can apply to parties of any gender: what did they know, why did they speak or not.
Liberty
Thank you for understanding me and speaking out. I just don’t get it. Matt Damon was dragged for filth over this. “He was close to Weinstein” “Of course he knew” “His career was more important” etc. the more I thought about those statements the more I realized that not only were they valid but they could be applied to some (not all) of the powerful women in Hollywood. Then out came the knives lol. Because of the unequal treatment of women I’m even more compelled to ignore gender when I’m assessing behaviors. It was a shit person who just happened to be a woman who lured Cara Delevigne to Weinstein’s hotel suite. It was a shit person who just happened to be a woman who bait-and-switched women into meetings with Weinstein only to leave him alone with his victims.
Thank you for what you did at your place of employment. Who knows? That could be a place where my nieces work in the future. In the 1970s my mom, her best friend and my aunt attended a women’s rights activist meeting at a Washington, DC hotel. They were disheartened to find that no one greeted them, spoke to them afterwards or attempted to engage them although the other, white attendees were excitedly talking and networking. As my mom and her group were leaving a woman rushed over to them and asked them to please stay. Her tone was so warm and apologetic that my mom gave in and they spoke for nearly an hour. They ended up eventually marching together. My mother’s take away and what she passed on to me is that what people should have in common had better be *more* than race, gender, religion etc or as a conscious woc you will always find yourself disappointed in the fight for equality. She was right and that’s why I fight.
The issue is this. How many posters have looked at Ben’s behavior thought ‘oh that’s bad but that’s Ben!’ but then turned their eye and focus on Jennifer and started ripping her instead? And he gets to slither away relatively unscathed? Why isn’t he getting all of the focus for his actions?
I know it’s probably not your intention but speculating on what Jennifer knew or did not know shifts the blame for his actions on to her. It lessens what he and his grabby hands did. Could she be culpable for covering up his behavior? Certainly, but we don’t have the facts and until we do, throwing her in with Camille Cosby and Dotti Sandusky isn’t fair.
Like it or not, it kind of perpetuates the ‘boys will be boys’ defense, taken with a shrug while the woman gets crucified for the man’s behavior.
For years I have read on here and elsewhere about her PR maneuvering to make him look good and hide his bad side and secrets. She has been praised ad nauseam for her so-called “skills.” Well we ALL know what she was hiding so hard now. It’s just disgusting.
Stop. Just stop. God, will women EVER really come together and stop blaming and judging other women for things they did not do? That’s what’s disgusting.
I am going to post my opinion whether you like it or not. I will not be silenced because you can’t handle someone daring to call out one of your faves.
She’s not even one of my “faves.” And I’m calling YOU out over you misogyny whether YOU like it or not.
@paranormalgirl Nothing CC said is misogynistic or sexist. That person has questions about Ben Affleck’s PR/handler, aka Jennifer Garner, covering things up and they are valid. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it misogyny. It has been discussed on this board for years how she has manipulated the public’s opinion of Ben Affleck in her favor and there is no point in denying it now.
Yeah this is surreal. Post #2 and people are blaming Jen Garner for Ben being a disgusting pig in 2001 and 2004? It is act Ally crazy-making to read these type of comments.
America, the misogyny problem is real. Holy smokes.
2014. It’s even in title.
@ Paranormalgirl @ Peanut – I admire that you tried.
Is it really any wonder that we have Trump in the White House instead of Hillary?
Well said, Paranormalgirl.
Misogyny? CC is criticizing Garner because she actively and consistently covered up her husband’s behavior over the years and did everything under the sun to make sure that the public saw his scrubbed image and not the truth. Whether or not you agree with her is one thing but to say she is not a feminist is wrong. Unless the op tied her disgust with Garner to gender or insinuated that Garner caused him to do it you can’t superimpose your moral line in the sand over hers. You don’t decide who is a feminist and who is not. She didn’t say Garner was responsible for Affleck’s behavior, only for being determined to cover it up after the fact. The last time I checked this is one of the same reasons everyone is going after Matt Damon.
@paranormalgirl, more and more women are doing this.
Ignoring that is also not very women-friendly. And I’m saying that as someone who supports what you’re wanting to accomplish.
Whatever. I’m not going to bang my head against this wall anymore.
@Paranormalgirl: Ignore (but also expect) the gaslight. Now that people finally have what they see as a golden opportunity to take down dreaded spoiled little rich girls for mens’ violent and abusive behaviors (even if the woman hasn’t enabled him), we’re going to see an increase in women being dismissed as ‘stanning 4 a fave’ whenever celebrity gossip is approached with a critical eye. Whether they’re even a fan of the dreaded woman in question or not.
Oh, for god’s sake! Yeah, it’s all her fault. It’s her fault he was a sleaze for a decade before she met him. Why not drag Lindsey in, too? Hasn’t she known him for about ten years?Stretching, there.
Shookus hasn’t been married to him for almost 13 years, hasn’t had three band-aid kids with him, hasn’t protected and cultivated his image in the press for more than a decade. Garner’s the one who protected this KNOWN sleaze bag.
@rosencg. And it is STILL not JG’s fault.
@rosemcg fan, in JG’s defence (and i’m not a fan of hers at all, i think she’s a hypocrite) we don’t know whether she was aware of affleck harassing women. sure, she was aware of him being problematic, but this is on another level. for all we know she always assumed his relationships with other women were always consensual.
@rosemcg
Except until recently no one was really saying that Ben Affleck was harassing women. People seemed to have mostly forgotten the pre-marriage harassment that happened on camera and no one had said anything yet about the stuff that was happening later on. So we really have no idea if Jennifer was protecting him or not. She separated from him long before these recent allegations, so she didn’t leave him just to save face. She was done with him a long time ago. The only people she seems interested in protecting are her own kids.
“had three band-aid kids with him”
That’s a really gross way to talk about children and a family you don’t even know. Sigh.
I agree Tiffany.
First and foremost, there are far more ways to get the “receipts” these days on people than when Jen and Ben first met. YouTube wasn’t around until 2006. And the “social” aspect of social media was confined to bulletin boards, email, and certain sites in the days before MySpace, Faceboook, and Twitter. I wouldn’t penalize her for not knowing when it is entirely possible she didn’t.
Maya you are the worst. Why are we holding women responsible for men’s actions?
She is not responsible for his behavior. With that said, once all this blows over there is no doubt she would take him back in a heartbeat
This is not her fault.
How could she have stopped it?
Maybe she knew and threatened to leave him and take the kids with her. Then he promises to change, attends therapy and goes to Bible sessions. Jen gives him a chance because maybe he is a good father to their kids. He changes but a few months later he’s up to his old ways again. Lather, Rinse. A lot of long suffering wives hope for the best, @maya. It doesn’t help that Ben is an alcoholic.
Yes,”Maya”. Just stop yourself at least once in awhile.
@everyone here, my 2 cents… It’s not about a blame game; ie, men versus women; it’s about us as a society as a whole. It’s pretty simple: if you see something, say and do something (that is, if you are in a position to do so), be it whether you are a man or a woman. My friends consider me to be an uber feminist, and as such, I have the highest regard for women and our capabilities, and as a result, hold them/us to a high standard… as I do men, of course.
The other point here is that we do not know what Jennifer knew. So let us not assume. Let our opinions be driven by fact(s).
Meanwhile no Hollywood for me. Not paying a dime to support this misogynistic industry!
Does he just not have any handlers at all?
Why would any PR people have allowed the wooden, one line “apology” to appear via Twitter (or at all)? He’s just making it worse.
God, he’s just so gross.
gross is an understatement.
does no one remember that story that (I think) Kevin Smith or one of the View Askew people told about how Affleck would come up behind someone who was sitting down and plop his junk (twig and berries both) on top of the person’s head? Like, it was a THING he did as a joke to a lot of people.
According to @bobbie ‘s comment above Jennifer Garner is his handler. She is responsible for him. She is responsible for the publics opinions about him. He was just a victim to her PR genius ways. He didn’t want the be seen as a family man she made him do it. (Pure sarcasm in case it is not obvious)
Ben Affleck is responsible for Ben Affleck. Period.
But Jen *was* his handler for years, lol. She did aid the public’s opinion of him. He wasn’t a victim of her PR genius ways – he benefited from them. He wanted to be seen as a family man and she helped him even though it was clearly very different behind the scenes. There are posts in this very thread that state how much of Ben’s messiness we are now seeing *because Jen isn’t protecting him anymore.* So which is it? Did she help at any cost to portray the image that he/she/they wanted, or didn’t she? The whole “she’s a PR master” thing that I kept seeing on this board for the last two years is really coming back to bite her now.
I don’t see much “lol” about any aspect of this story.
He needs his hands smashed so he’s unable to grab his own bum. Prïck.
He’s really going down now as well.
I think he’ll be shunned now also and people are afraid the same will happen to them.
And the way this sticks? By not going to movies of these people, aka not giving them money aka not giving them the power they abused. I was looking forward to Justice League because of Wonder Woman being in it, but I won’t be going now.
His first “apology” was a joke so a second one would be pointless.
He is far grosser than I thought.
**cancelled**
He’s acted like a frat boy from day one, not surprised.
This.^^^
And there are so many bros out there doing this kind of thing (or who did when they were younger) that this will likely be a blip. If the president can brag about it, why not an actor? It makes me so mad that this might actually help his career.
@Birdix, not if we decided to stop going to his movies.
But then really stop, and not just go to ‘this one’ because it was ‘made by my favourite director’ or some excuse like that.
He’s repulsive.
I certainly hope this means we will see less Of him…so sick of him and everyone in his circle
Let’s see how this is handled with the Justice League coming out soon …
Not going and I’m a DC fan.
Color me shocked that the man who banged the nanny and is now publicly dating his side piece of 3 years is a disgusting pig. I know those things have nothing to do with actual, sexual assault, I’m just saying I have zero trouble believing this and worse. He is disgusting. F*ck Ben Affleck.
oh please. being a cheater and being someone who harasses women are completely different things.
Not completely different in his case. Its part of a pattern. He aggressively comes onto everyone. Some women are impressed by his charisma/stardom etc and those are the ones who are swept away by his aggressive narcissistic ‘love bomb’ of attention. The women who don’t consent well thats really besides the point right? He’s going to get the power trip and humiliation he wants. Thats the way he operates. He’s a predator.
Theres a difference between an affair and the kind of indiscriminate womanizing that BA displays.
I agree with shambles is clearly a pattern of disrespecting women there. Not every cheater is a sexual harasser but both conducts are based on the assumption that they’re allowed to do whatever they want regarding women.
I literally, word for word, said “I know those things don’t have anything to do with actual, sexual assault” ??? Lol. Did you just choose to ignore that? But, like Luca said, patterns of deviant sexual behavior definitely mean something here.
“being a cheater and being someone who harasses women are completely different things.”
and yet, he’s both. so, not always different things.
@Shambles i didn’t ignore anything. you still made your point that even though they’re different things, a man who cheats being someone who would potentially harass women doesn’t surprise you. but it’s a generalisation that makes no sense.
now, if we’re talking affleck i don’t disagree with luca76’s point; there’s definitely something much more sinister going on with him other than simply being a man who likes to cheat (the alcohol, the gambling, etc). i just reject the he cheats = he could do anything as a general notion.
@Mannori: ‘Not every cheater is a sexual harasser but both conducts are based on the assumption that they’re allowed to do whatever they want regarding women.’
no. because women cheat on their male partners as well. sometimes cheating CAN be a symptom of misogyny and thinking you can treat women however you like. many other times cheating is just cheating, and both genders do it.
“many other times cheating is just cheating, and both genders do it.”
Okay, but that doesn’t actually matter here, because this is obviously not one of those “many other times”? This is one of those instances where, obviously, his cheating and his misogyny are deeply intertwined. So your point is kind of moot. I understand that you reject the notion that cheating automatically opens someone up for other unsavory behavior, but I don’t. Yes, sometimes cheaters are just cheaters, and there’s nothing more to it. I respect your right to defend that notion. But many times, cheaters are also sociopaths, predators, etc. I have personal experience which speaks to this. Harvey Weinstein’s wife may have thought he was “just a cheater,” but look what was underneath all of that?
My point was that I have no trouble believing that a man who has already been proven to engage in piggish behavior is engaging in more piggish, and possibly predatory, behavior. A man who is capable of looking his wife in the eye while he sleeps with the nanny to their children is probably capable of some really f*cked up sh!t. Cheating, and the circumstances around it, shows what a person is capable of. I’m not trying to be holier than thou~ I’ve shown myself to be capable of some messed up things at times, too. I’m just saying, it’s not a stretch, and I don’t feel bad for pointing it out. *shrugs*
i don’t agree. but ben affleck is not a hill i want to die on, so agree to disagree.
Indeed. *handshake*
I agree. From what we know, he clearly has MAJOR ISSUES in his relationships with women, so nothing would surprise me. For a man to be repeatedly unfaithful in a heterosexual, monogamous relationship is disrespectful of women. There are clear boundary violations here. Given his multiple addictions, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a so-called sex addiction as well.
A consensual affair or one night stand is one thing. But the nanny? He was her employer at the time. It may have been consensual and she may have been awful too, but there was a big imbalance of power there. Much like Arnold S and his housekeeper.
Surprise surprise two brothers that have no concept of what’s appropriate. Amazing.
Good point, who raised the Affleck asshats?
Yeah, blame a woman.
Do you think that it’s some kind of coincidence that both Ben and Casey grew up to be hardcore addicts? Both cheated on their wives and now we learn that both are sexual molestors as well. Yeah I’m okay with blaming their parenting for at least some of it. Also, it wouldn’t surprise me if, like Casey, Ben has quietly settled lawsuits from victims and has been able to keep it out of the press, with Jen Garner’s help of course. That wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Both men have basically turned into their largely absent alcoholic father.
Was going to say they are legit their dad
Their mother raised them, and if I were a betting woman, I would say these boys have some Mommy issues. Deep too.
No excuses of course but Sigmund Freud is crying in the netherworld because he can’t get his hands on these two.
To quote Rose McGowan: Ben Affleck F*ck off
He wrote half a novel about Weinstein and how sooo terrible his treatment of women was and how totally wrong it is and when its about him its “ah well sorry”
And the novel never mentioned Wankstain. Hes protecting these abusers while taking the barest minimum of culpability.
And conveniently, pap photos of Jen Garner appear…we see you trying to gloss over your complicity, Jen.
Why is she responsible for his behavior? Man is a dog, so let’s blame the woman who should’ve had him under control? That’s what we’re going with here?
So disturbed by the sexism that’s been exposed in the comments at this site over the last few days.
She isn’t responsible for his behavior. I never said that. I said she’s complicit. She is. That’s not sexist. It’s fact. She’s rehabbed his image and played PR games to make him look good. I’m not cool with that. She also likely knew, and did nothing. She let him slide.
Have to agree with @abby rose that it is, in fact, sexist to immediately jump to blame his ex-wife. If, in fact, she is “complicit” (of which there is no proof), it is because she is a part of an inherently sexist and corrupt system. Rather than jumping to blame her for that system, we should be examining the misogyny in it and focusing on ways to address it.
FFS, it isn’t SEXISM to have questions about a sex offender’s spouse, what they knew and what they did to hide the behavior.
The Oxford dictionary should change its definition of sexism/misogyny to “any attempt to question the behavior of anyone who identifies as a woman.” I’m so sick of the feminist card snatching lately. Guess what? Many of us question the complicitness of the partners of these abusive douchebags. These partners just happen to be women. Deal with it and stop attacking the motives and integrity of commenters who are clearly here because they care about the world women have to try to live in.
He is the father of their children.During many years,she tries to save their marriage because of his behavior.Don’t blame the wife for his husband’s behavior.Above all when they are divorced.She underwent his behavior
She married and had children with him knowing what he was.
The behaviour in these videos was standard him in the years before they got together. He was known for being sleazy, he was known for being an alcoholic, he was known for cheating. Not long before they started dating he’d just gone out of his way to very publically humiliate J.Lo, because he was too much of a coward to just break up with her.
Ben is disgusting, but he’s never really tried to hide it (and when he has tried, he’s failed, because he’s sloppy). All the crappy things he did throughout his marriage, he’d done publically to women before. His behaviour isn’t Jennifer’s fault, obviously, but she certainly can’t claim she didn’t know exactly what she was getting into.
They aren’t legally divorced yet and I’m guessing that Doormat Jen will use this as an excuse to take him back and rehab his image yet again. He’ll probably “find Jesus” or some other bullshit.
Jennifer Garner is not the problem here.
+1000
Unless she was actually confronted with the behavior and covered up for him or knowingly helped him to orchestrate and procure women into vulnerable positions she is absolutely not complicit. I am positive she was aware of his infidelities and looked the other way. But I also believe she always took it for granted that these were consensual relationships. She is not the saint she advertizes herself to be but in no way is ANY Of this her fault.
She did her damnedest to protect his image and make him look good for more than 10 years. She knew what she was covering up. Now WE do, too.
No, no we don’t. We have NO idea what she knew or didn’t, what went on in her head. Stop it.
Oh PUH-LEASE. She was on a mission to make him look like Mr. Family Man from the time she got knocked up. He was sleazy TRASH before than and she was the main reason his Good Guy image had everyone fooled for years. People all over the internet have been saying that for a long time but now that we all see the deviant that she was protecting, you want to absolve her of guilt. Nope.
Wow, you really an issue with her, don’t you? Apparently she pisses in your cereal on a daily basis.
There’s just as much of a chance that she was there trying to get him to realize his behaviour was gross and trying to stop it, but that she didn’t announce it to the public.
You can’t blame her for her husband being a douche and you can’t know what their conversations were over the past 5 or so years. Perhaps his behaviour was better when they were together and that’s why she stayed. It is ridiculous to assume guilt on her part.
Keep on fighting the good fight, Paranormalgirl.
As I always say, internalized misogyny is one helluva drug.
The pictures of her picking up her children from school? Something she probably does every day? Is she supposed to go into hiding because her ex is shit? Try dragging the paps who know her routine and want to get pictures of her looking upset.
To be fair Jen dose photo ops every day so this is not out of the norm for her, girlfriend loves the paparazzi.
@ Rapunzel, Uhm what? This is about Ben Affleck -NOT his soon to be ex wife. Focus on the real perpetrator.
How is she complicit? She has been separated from him for over 2 years. She didn’t try to prevent or gloss over any of his recent scandals. Dude is crashing and burning as a result of his own behavior and she isn’t even trying to cover it up for him.
So many of these comments are just…. horrid. Sad and horrid.
Yup unconscionable, disgusting, appalling, the usual….smdh.
I’m actually thinking about taking a break from Celebitchy. I’m sick of all these “women blaming” comments and then saying that’s not a sign of misogynistic behavior.
I’m starting to wonder if women are even able to recognize misogyny when we see it, like we are just so used to it that it doesn’t blip on our radar anymore.
Sigh.
I’m thinking a long Bahama weekend with no internet is calling me.
It’s f-cking depressing. And pissing me off. I said I was gonna take a break but now I really am I going to take one. paranormalgirl can I come with?
Sure. Meet me at Republic Airport at 5:56 on Friday!
Since we are blaming women for the men’s actions, why don’t we throw Jlo, Gwyneth and Lindsey in there too? They didn’t say a thing, they must be complicit. Christ.
His mother is also apparently to blame (see above). In addition, she should go on Twitter and publicly denounce and renounce her sons or else she is complicit. Or something.
Don’t you know men’s actions are always women’s fault!? /s
The comments the last few days here, my favorite site, have been depressing. *sigh*
Actually why don’t we blame Cris Judd for staying with j Lo even after she reportedly cheated on him with Ben?
Clearly, he only cared about the money and the notoriety he got from being married to her.
Right? RIGHT?????? O_O
He is so beyond messed up.
Does anyone have the name and address of the publicist in charge of the Justice League press tour? I’d like to send her or him a bottle of scotch…and vodka…and mezcal….and something chocolate. I think they’re going to need it.
Ha! So true. What a nightmare for those folks in charge of publicity for Ben.
Heck we should send something to the entire cast at this point. Promo for this will be a nightmare.
Meanwhile the Thor cast biggest issue might be if someone brings up TSwift.
That’s an interesting statement @Nicole. Wasn’t it two days ago you were furious at Kate Winslet but you see no issue was Thor star Cate Blanchett who won an Oscar in a Woody Allen film, named one of her sons after Roman Polanski, and works with but has condemned Weinstein?
I have no problem supporting either woman’s work and statements, I’m just curious.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he checks into rehab so he can skip it. At this point I think WB would actually be happy if he didn’t show up.
I could see WB insisting he goes to rehab to keep him from the press.
They’re trying to sell a $200+ million movie, capitalize on the success and popularity of Wonder Woman, and their Batman is in videos all over the internet being gross and assaulting women. People there must be sh!tting their pants.
This may be a jeavy prediction but the “treatment” business is about to be booming! Every person who is being called out now has some need for rehab and will justify their behavior past and present on an addiction!
I’m miss Cleo, call me now!
I have no idea what rehab does to change any of this.
Rehab cannot humble a person or force them to show appropriate conduct.
In order for these men to really feel the impact of their behavior they are going to have to lose something, something will have to humble them and show them that they are not entitled to do anything they want.
Man, Jennifer was smart to abandon that ship before the rest of us saw it sinking.
Maybe. I just hope she’s in intensive therapy to work out why she stayed and sacrificed a good portion of her career for this guy who cheated on her, was dismissive of her, and generally is rather gross. Stayed ten years.
What! He was doing it with the nanny and she still didn’t kick him to the curb
They still aren’t legally divorced yet. I’m sure she’s so eager to help him recover from this, as are her stans.
You know, it isn’t being a “stan” to think she doesn’t deserve the shit you and others like you are heaping on her. It’s actually being a decent human being.
@para. ++++++++++++++
Lol more like it was halfway sunk.
Lol you are being generous. He was a total wreck before and Jennifer put a band aid on a hull breach.
He was a mess before he split with Jen, but it’s amazing how fast he has fallen since their divorce announcement. She really was the main person holding all of his sh*t together and his descent has been spectacular since she gave up custody on making him at least appear to be a decent man. He’s back to being bloated, abusing alcohol and who knows what else, and now he and Damon are deservedly being attached to their dude bro Weinstein. Love seeing these jerks finally taken down. All of their careers deserve to be ruined.
It takes one person to come out and speak about their assault and the flood gates open. How many of these guys are out there? Evan Rachel Wood was raped twice and wishes she could out her rapist but can’t (the 2nd was by a ex). Rob Schneider had a old perv (who is dead) telling him to crawl toward him while the perv disrobed. I think many have bottled up their experiences and now found a voice among other to free themselves of the trauma. sometimes when I see these young girls like the Jenner and Richies and Co with boyfriends twice their ages I wonder since when is it ok for 40 something to go to or party with 16-18 years old while most have already been in a dozen relationship with multiple kids.. there is a atmosphere in Hollywood that is so unhealthy one can be easily lost when the line are blurred. Affleck, Leo, Tobey Maguire and Alex Rodriguez making derogatory comments about women , ex J.lo, while playing poker (you can read the New York Post of June 2014..)..
There are SO many out there. My husband is a lawyer in the entertainment industry (contractual law, primarily the talent side) and he said he is always hearing about settlements involving Hollywood “players” and things like sexual harassment.
@para, you and your husband must have the most interesting conversations about the people you work with. I look for your responses on here all the time!
Yeah, but we usually end up talking about the latest article on how healthy farting is.
Not defending him, but he was drunk AF that night. He was tipsy and slurring his speech when he was presenting an award, so I can’t image what he was like at the after party. It’s still no excuse, though.
Yeah, a lot of his gross behavior seems to be when he is really drunk. Which doesn’t make it okay at all, but I don’t think it is the same abuse of power thrill that makes Weinstein tick. But who knows what will come out now that everyone is talking…
In vino veritas, you know?
I always say “In vino oblivio”, but my tolerance isn’t what it was.
Can’t believe Jennifer Garner stayed with this creep for so long. He’s really falling apart without her, and she’s doing amazing.
Good. Out them all. All the inappropriate behavior, all the harassment, all the a**holes…
yes! lets not stop at Weinstein and Affleck, these two pigs are well known for their grossness. I’d like to know about the least obvious ones, the ones who present themselves as family guys. Those are the most dangerous ones.
#NotMyBatman
Women – here is a lesson for you. These type of men do not change. Period. Jennifer Garner fell in love with him hard. That is evident in the Dinner For Five video. She probably thought she alone along with having children would be enough to change him. So many women in love believe that. Most of them do not change, they just suppress their douchebag behavior and urges for a little while before they act up again. Some people call me pessimistic, but I call it being realistic and pragmatic. Look for the signs early on when meeting a man and cancel him ASAP if he turns out to be the douchebag frat boy type who is known to do these sorts of things to women. If not, you will undoubtedly end up either in an unhappy marriage, faced with infidelity, or divorced. Don’t ever believe a man will change just for you or even the children you have together.
Unless she’s some kind of hillbilly idiot, she realized that he hadn’t changed after Kid #1. She then proceeded to have two others, including the last one when they were on the verge of divorce. I don’t feel any sympathy for her whatsoever. She knew what she was doing.
FFS STOP.
@Joni No.
@ CC, you really have some deep issues with Garner. You are entitled to your opinion, but you’re so angry about HER specifically that there is definitely something else going on here.
Hillbilly? Is this about her WV heritage? Watch it cc.
You should stop because you’re embarrassing yourself all over this thread.
You really need to learn to love yourself, CC
Whats your damage, CC? You’ve said your piece.
Everyone’s seen your opinion now, and very few agree.
The type and direction of your comments make it sound like you made a hard choice in your life, and are judging anyone who chose differently.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW
This is why the White House is what it is. THIS. The fact that people — including many women — can hear that a man assaulted multiple women, and Immediately they turn all their ire toward a woman, and make HER the subject of the story, instead of directing any ire toward the criminal at all. A woman who DIDN’T assault anyone.
Men don’t need this from you, they’re doing just fine avoiding all accountability on their own.
Truth.
I just have to laugh when I think about Garner having to explain to her kids how Daddy slept with the nanny, how he can’t stop drinking and taking drugs, how he tried to hide his slave-owning ancestors and NOW how he’s sexually harassed young women. Her eyes were wide open and no one needs to hate him for her, right??? Ben Affleck is cancelled, his dirtbag brother is cancelled, and you know what? Jennifer Garner is cancelled too.
I don’t think it is funny for either Jen’s children or Lindsay’s children (Affleck’s current enabler gf). Let’s not pretend Garner is the only parent who has had to hide her spouse’s behavior. This happens all the time to normal non-famous people. Whatever Garner and Affleck’s faults are, their children are innocent in all of this. I don’t envy any parent who has to deal with a spouse who abuses sex, alcohol, drugs, etc. and have to explain this horrible behavior to children.
Yes, that is so hilarious! Hahaha!! Perhaps you could help out by gathering up a collection of clippings about d-bag Ben and sending them to Violet. I know she’d laugh along with you.
i feel for those children, he’s the worst but to them he’s still dad. i don’t like JG, but i don’t think her having to explain this is very funny. hopefully those children have enough support from extended family/friends.
@ell. Someone who laughs about the hurt his children will feel has no business slamming their mother. Sick.
I don’t share your sense of humour. I feel sorry for the kids of all of these sleazy men.
Yeah, nothing funnier than the suffering of children, ammirite?
I just can NOT with these threads on Ben, anymore. The bile towards Jen and now her children? What thell is wrong with people… *looks for exit*
This may also be why the SNL staff doesn’t like him. Tendler’s husband, comedian John Mulaney, was a breakout writer on the show from 2008-2014.
I was just going to post about this. Affleck harassed/assaulted the wife of his then-sidepiece/now-girlfriend’s coworker. Wonder if Lindsay knew about this at the time…
I guess this is why most men in Hollywood are hiding or issuing tepid statements: because they fear that someone will call out their bluff and hypocrisy as most of them probably have a lot of skeletons to hide, specially regarding their (mis)treatment of women on different levels. probably not all of them have engaged in criminal behavior like groping and kissing and harassing (let’s remember all of them are criminal sexual abuse) but many of them have used their power, fame and money to at some point get laid by overpowering someone. Because that’s the reason why most guys what to become actors or just being known in the industry: it gets them laid.
Yep this!
Remember when Gerard Butler fingered Jennifer Anniston’s but during a photo call, then laughed it off? Like “I don’t really think I grabbed her ass”? Gross, the lot of them. https://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/Gerard-Butler-Jennifer-Aniston-Butt-Grabbing-Photo-2010-04-02-133000-7984297
Tha disturbed me so much at the time and nobody was saying anything about it. In fact people’s reaction was that maybe they were dating!
actually, people were saying she clearly welcomed it and loved the attention. Even worse.
Jen Garner is exactly the type of person who would stay quiet and look the other way while her King/husband pulled stunts like this. Unsurprisingly, she’s said nada in support of her own colleagues who have been victimized, hasn’t condemned Weinstein or sexual harassment in the industry. It’s been hearts and flowers all over her social media since this thing broke a week ago. More looking the other way. Can’t stand her.
Women need to support women!!! Jesus fk, it’s commemts like these that leave us open to the abuses men love to bestowe on us. Give ur head a shake!
I don’t entirely get the nuances of these PR things…but legit question…if she came out and made a statement couldn’t it be said she’s ‘taking the opportunity to get publicity and make it about her?” Has she even worked for Weinstein Co? I feel like the Taylor Swift haters have trained me in what to expect from gestures/statements.
You know why she hasn’t spoken out in support of Weinstein’s victims? Because she’s still legally married to a sex offender and is still sister-in-law to another.
Let’s focus on the MAN WHO ASSAULTED WOMEN, maybe? Instead of the other women in his life?
Not a single word of your comment is about Ben or what he did wrong. “Can’t stand her” is your takeaway from THIS story?! Really? Because I can’t stand HIM. Way to normalize his behavior and place the onus on women, though. That’s super helpful.
Ben and Casey’s mother must be heartbroken. A single mother doing what you can to raise to two boys and this is what you get? Ugh.
I am so over this bratty frat boy who’s actually a grown ass man. Yes, Ben Affleck is so cancelled.
Poor Hilarie Burton was just a kid when he assaulted her, said that she laughed to keep from crying. Sickening. His throwaway “apology” on twitter was total trash. Now we find out that he’s been groping women as recently as 2014? Delete your account, Ben. Delete your life. GO AWAY.
This thread is infuriating
It’s very infuriating. Ben Affleck has been a problem for a long time & now people are seeing it??? I get that most don’t equate cheating with assault & predatory behavior, I surely don’t. And I’m not there yet with Ben but his behavior is terrible. Many of these threads forget that Affleck has additional demons: addictions & multiple ones at that. Gambling, alcohol & drugs. Has everyone forgotten the alleged rumor he slept with the barely legal Britney Spears at 18 when he was 30 years old? That was what supposedly split her up from Justin Timberlake. The 2014 after party where he grabbed the makeup artist butt he was visibly drunk. It’s no excuse but I can guarantee you he doesn’t remember any of it.
i didn’t know any of those things about him, but then again i’m a barely 80s kid, so i would have been like 10 when britney was 18, and not reading gossip. it seems that all those things that were going on in the 90s early 00s, which were well known at the time, have been swept under the rug and forgotten as time passed. lots of things about brad pitt and johnny depp as well. it’s odd, and worrying.
I wasn’t going to click. Didn’t click all morning because I knew it would be the same old shit.
But my curiosity got the best of me.
I seriously want to scream. My fingers are actually shaking as I write this.
Thank you to my friends here–Paranormalgirl, Jerusha, Shamby, Detritus, and others.
Because I just don’t have it in me anymore.
ladies. my sisters. my coven. Please, please practice self care.These topics are nasty, and bring up a lot of echos for many of us, and your first responsibility is always, always to yourself. You can’t do good without being good to yourself first.
You should know though, that seeing you lovelies (and a few brave men) comment here – you give me hope.
The ladies who speak about raising their boys and girls to understand these issues – you give me hope.
It is always going to be a battle, but seeing some of these names, seeing them fight for change – this gives me hope.
I had a moment of intense gratitude reading through threads yesterday and seeing on each and every one a person or persons speaking up against the toxic narrative. At being able to read Kaiser, and CB, and Corey, and Hecate. Strong voices who get things right. who hopefully provoke thought.
For every nasty response, there is someone reading the comments, someone who may be reached by what we are saying.
I am not happy.
Garner’s name should not be on anyones lips with blame for this.
You should have seen what this comment looked like originally. There were a lot of all-caps and angry question marks. Jen Garner was mentioned approximately nowhere in this article. Why is it that we cannot be appalled at the disgusting, predatory behavior of men and just leave it at that? Why do we always have to make it a woman’s fault? Is it because of the snake and the apple? No, really. Is it because the Bible told us that we are responsible for everything up to and including the original sin? I am so f*cking tired.
it’s the same reason why when this story first broke, some were happily chanting about jennifer lawrence and alicia vikander’s demise. as if it were their fault, somehow.
so much internalised misogyny from some commenters, i mean i completely understand not liking a celeb, but this is not the time to be petty.
I feel you. It can really hurt when you realize a community you thought was super progressive, still has a lot of changing to do. And when you realize this is super progressive, and we are still here.
Its horrifying when your realize how deeply engrained sexism is. I mean, that f*cking snake gave Eve that apple, but here we are. Still focusing on Eve.
I guess its just ever so much easier to blame other women. Then you don’t need to think any deeper. Why examine, when you can just position yourself as better?
It’s the same shit. different day.
@ Detritus- I definitely think that’s part of why we do this to each other.
Women want to believe that it can never happen to them because they’re not Jen Garner or Georgina Chapman or ______. There’s a sense of security in condemning the woman, pointing to her failures and saying “This happened because she did/didn’t do ____.” instead of acknowledging the complexities of a relationship, especially one that involves a level of abuse–be it emotional or physical or both–and acknowledging that even intelligent, caring women can end up in abusive/toxic relationships.
It’s pretty sad to see women being weaponized against each other, used as a tool of the patriarchy to push their sexist message.
Yeah it was really disgusting how posters were trying to blame Shookus for his drinking in other posts. Ben Affleck blamed JLo for his career problems and was allowed to get away with it. It’s always blame someone else. Not very progressive.
@Kitten i think specifically in JG’s case, is that people believe she knew exactly what he did and she curated his imagine to sweep all his crap away, like pr. while there’s some truth to that, the trouble is we literally have NO idea whether she ever did know of any harassment, so to accuse her of enabling him of harassing other women is pretty out of line. like, i’m not denying they both seem quite messy as people, but taking it out on her instead of him is nagl and i don’t get it.
ETA: @Stacy, exactly. literally every BA thread in the last few months has been a letdown of internalised misogyny.
@stacy, for full disclosure, I was one of the commenters who put some of the blame on Lindsay. I was wrong.
It has to deal with my own issues with alcoholics, and it was unfair, and some other commenters called me out on it. its amazing where and when misogyny will surface. I feel like Mad Eye Moody – constant vigilance!
Wise words, detritus.
@detritus, kitten, Shambs, paranormal and all the lovely ladies of Celebitchy
I just want to say as our culture changes, and we begin to understand what has happened to us these subjects hit raw nerves that have hard scar tissue over them that we put there to survive. As these issues come up where are faced with trying to untangle our conditioning, and we aren’t always going to get it right.
I know my views have changed dramatically since the Harvey story came out. And I began to understand what has happened to me in my past. I have kept a secret that I can’t tuck away anymore, and it has me near tears almost every day. It is also why I look at a man like Ben, and I see him so clearly now as one of the most insidious types of misogynists.
These issues are raw and frustrating, and the fall back to blame the woman is really about the narrative that everything is our fault. I think it is excruciating to relinquish that role because it means that we had no power at all in those situations. Self-blame is like trying to pretend you had choices or could have done something different when it is only a lie. You had no control, and that is why it stays and hurts for so long. We are used to blaming ourselves, so we blame other women.
We should lean into the conversation as hard as it is and not be afraid to get it wrong sometimes or to correct ourselves when challenged.
That was very thoughtful, magnoliarose.
@ Mag-ITA with everything you said in your insightful comment.
*hugs* to you, my friend and to Detritus as well. I love that my fave celebitches value growth and introspection as much as I do.
I’ve become far more “woke” than ever because of people here at celebitchy. I mean, it’s kind of easy to get trapped in a bubble of oblivion when you’re a psychiatrist married to a lawyer, make good money, and the thought of white privilege really isn’t too much on your radar. I thank the ladies (and gentlemen) of celebitchy for opening my eyes to so many things and making me branch out beyond the proper “society” causes and doing more for causes less close to my home.
But THIS… this blaming women for the actions of men… THIS is not acceptable.
I’m seriously sick to my stomach right now.
And sick for all the victims and women who might be reading these comments and realizing this world is not a safe or friendly place for them, and no matter what happens to them — or what their significant others do to them or ANYONE ELSE — it’s still going to be their fault. They’re still the ones to blame.
I’m so so sorry. This is so unacceptable.
Reportedly Jen did not attend 2014 after party.
She went home to care for their children & Ben stayed.Ben was reportedly very drunk that night & I am betting they separated shortly after!
Ah yes. Tale as old as time. Woman stays with dog of a husband, becomes equally at fault for his behaviours. The only thing worse than an abuser is the woman who thinks he might change, of course. Let us all jump on her for not realizing it earlier.
Its ever so much nicer to blame someone close to the matter for not knowing, when we ourselves did not either. A certain level of comfort, that someone else, definitely not us, should have spoken out and changed this.
Its amazing how we look for ways to put the blame on women, or turn the narrative back to how they are equally bad. We don’t even need men to do it for us, we’ve been so conditioned we do it ourselves.
Hear, hear, detritus.
All the women blaming other women for their husband’s behavior don’t deserve being here. What a disappointment!
Sadly,
I think we would have liked to believe Ben had matured since hanging out with Kevin Smith. I think Kevin Smith knew the true Ben!
When one thinks that Kevin Smith has matured more than Affleck…
I support the women who were victimized by Ben Affleck and I praise their courage in speaking out. I don’t support the women who enabled him for years. Fuck them.
No “fuck him”, though? No “I don’t support him”? Just gloss right over that part, and straight to finding a woman to blame?
It’s like fucking Margaritaville. Some people say that there’s a woman to blame…
Lucky Lindsay! Didn’t she bag a prize! LOLLLL. Oh, Karma ….
at least she can walk away. garner is stuck dealing with his bullshit for the rest of her life. karma’s a bitch i tell you!
the whole world has known that ben affleck is, was and will ALWAYS be loser masshole trash but looked the other way for some years because his pr made sure to present a different image. i knew that would only work for so long. good god, why do men like him feel entitled to womens’ bodies? i hope he never works again.
It is not Jennifer’s fault for his behavior.
Sighing for England. (I am not English, but I always wanted to sprinkle that in somewhere)lol
Joking aside, Jennifer Garner’s situation with Ben is very different from Georgina’s with Harvey. Ben is an alcoholic drug abuser, and it is easy for a wife to blame his behavior on alcohol and think if he is sober he is his real self. Butt grabbing used to be acceptable, as in bad behavior by a creep yet it wasn’t classified as assault until recently.
If you have to say she made some poor decisions I agree and did she enable his addictions? Yes I can go with that, but I don’t believe for a second she conspired to cover up his sexual misconduct like she is being accused of here. She loved him; no one can say she did not, and she saw good in him in places that don’t exist. He didn’t buy her with a business or a film career or anything to make her overlook his faults; she honestly loved the idiot. Once you have children with a man, I am telling you something primal kicks in, and if he is a bad penny, then it can eff you up. Salvage the family at all costs, or it is your fault because you had kids with him, therefore, make him great so your kids aren’t hurt. Then there is the deep shame you married such a flawed man, so you try harder and lose yourself along the way. It keeps women in abusive situations, and there IS an element of mental abuse to their relationship. He made sure everyone in the world knew he didn’t want her, but she was in that salvage mode to her detriment and pain.
She is a victim of a misogynistic culture that tells a wife and mother somehow it is her fault. It isn’t in this case or most cases. She is a victim, and she has to live with all of his crap for the rest of her life, and she has to put her children back together every time he disappoints them and every time he embarrasses them.
Now she is free of him and let her move on FFS. She made some mistakes, we all have, but he is not her burden, and his behavior is not her fault.
We have to change this perception so that complicity is understood when it is true and when it doesn’t apply.
Great post.
This is so true. My mother stayed with my father for years – even though he cheated on her the entire time time. I hated her for being such a doormat. But in my old age, I realized that that the constant cheating completely shatters someone’s self-esteem. She couldn’t accept that he could treat her so. So instead of leaving, she kept waiting for his redemption. Because a horrible husband (esp a cheating one) makes you feel so worthless and unlovable so you stay waiting (hoping?) for his conversion. Somehow that becomes equated to your self-worth. Sad but it’s human nature.
Excellent post!
Jennifer Garner will have to carry this burden throughtout her lifetime . The women here blaming her for Ben’s actions are not in her position as the mother of his kids.
Great post @magnoliarose. Very well said.
@magnoliarose
This happened in 2014 not 10 years ago and he didn’t more then just grab her butt he put his finger in it. That is sexual assault by any standard.
but it’s still not his wife’s fault, unless she PUT his hand there.
I know that’s not what you’re saying, but I’m cutting off the crap at the pass from others.
*applauds*
May I add a hearty “Well Done!”
Ben’s shitty behavior isn’t Jen’s fault, no matter how many years he tried to convince her it was. (I have no doubt he did, that is what manipulative abusers do) I do not understand why so many here work so hard to help him in this.
Well said! I wish I could upvote your post!
say it again for the people in the back.
“She is a victim of a misogynistic culture that tells a wife and mother somehow it is her fault. It isn’t in this case or most cases. She is a victim, and she has to live with all of his crap for the rest of her life, and she has to put her children back together every time he disappoints them and every time he embarrasses them”
Yes thank you.
YASSSSSSSS, queen!
We can do better. I believe we can.
I kept thinking as all of this comes out she has to get up and face the day with all of this in the public domain yet again because of his behavior. Wouldn’t you feel like pulling the covers over your head and just hiding away for a month?
It does make sense how she shared that she is in therapy a few times a week and I hope for her and her children they can find some space in their lives that isn’t tainted by him. By telling us that she is letting the world know she is doing the work on herself. She has a long road ahead, and we should support her.
When I think about all the women he has hurt and the damage he is doing to his daughters’ perception of relationships and his son’s idea of a man, it sickens me.
He is canceled. I am not big on the concept, but enough is enough with him.
I live for those days when Ben Affleck finds himself knee-deep in his own shit. Glory be! Men like him should never, ever have children. They are a constant source of pain, embarrassment and shame to their families. The next headline that I want to read about this loser is that Warner Bros has fired him (officially) from the DCEU. You can’t have someone like this playing a superhero. Ben Affleck, delete your account! Go mop floors like your dad.
I hope at some point people(women!!)will stop placing blame on Jennifer Garner and will instead wish her the best in her career and in raising her children so that Violet and Seraphina do not eventually become involved with men like their father and Sam does not become like his father, the way Ben and Casey mimicked their father.
I know Larry David always looks pretty miserable, but he looks especially miserable in this photo. Wow.
I haven’t read all the comments because I had to stop. This is about another duplicitous asshole. I won’t mention his wife’s name, because she’s not grabbing ass, shoving digits in buttholes and successfully ruining the psyches of, most likely, countless women. Sorry if that was crass, but I’m in disbelief here. I’ve never liked this actor at all, but could never explain why I didn’t. He and his best friend were always too, I dunno ‘boy scouty’ for my taste. Now I completely understand why I’ve never been able to watch that charlatan on film. Shame. Lift the veils ladies and shine. Quit blaming others. Snakes know how to demand complicity in the same veins as harassment and assault.
Same. When Gwyneth P mentioned him in her Oscar speech, I thought Why is she with HIM? When Bennifer1.0 was playing out in the tabloids, I thought Why is she with HIM? When JG was starring in a successful TV show, I thought Why is she with HIM? Never found him appealing in any way.
Ben, Casey affleck & Matt demon are cancelled.
x 1000!
DONE with the lot of them.
My god this is a spectacular clusterf-k. Regardless of this massive mess he still doesn’t look as if he’s ready to deal with his issues. I feel sorry for his children, because they will have to deal with this long after the headlines are gone.
that video was so horrific to watch, I had to stop at less than a minute! and it goes on like that for 4 mins??? that’s insane and disgusting and I want to cry. Why does being a girl suck so much, why do men think they can do shit like that whenever they fucking please. I’m so enraged right now, I don’t know whether to cry or scream!! what else is there?
I love the supportive, wise counsel being spoken here in directing the anger and frustration where it belongs – at the actual perpetrators. As it should be.
Buttman. Hopefully, that title sticks and people waive signs in the background for every press event Ben does in the future. And then, I hope that the humiliation he feels will touch something that is buried deep and he’ll learn empathy.
It is totally insane and unreal here. Ben Affleck committed these crimes and you guys are crucifying Jen Garner. Is there anyone on here with any common sense. My God Ben and Ben ALONE is to blame for Bens actions. The ultimate final buck stops with him. He is a full grown man! Bet he is enjoying the fact that Jen is being hauled into this mess and taking some of the heat off him. You guys are more upset over her than him. UNREAL!!
Have you read all the comments? There are about four people posting over and over about Jennifer’s so called guilt. All the rest of us are calling them out. Some posters are calling them out very eloquently.
And I’m just over here banging my head against the wall. I’m starting to like the feeling.
Sorry I should have qualified that to say “some” posters and not referred to everyone on here. It is unbelievable that some are making this about Jen. If you hate her fine hate her but don’t make “this” about her! Shake your head, repeat, and get a grip. The blame lies with ultimately one person and one person only. The person who did it.
Thanks to the sane people on here trying to voice of reason. Want to talk about hilly billies there are a lot on here as evidenced by all the backwoods thinking. I cannot believe this!!
I’m not surprised by the comments attacking Garner and calling her complicit. This is par for the course on Ben Affleck posts: “Ben cheated? Don’t feel sorry for Garner. It’s her own fault for marrying him, having children with him, staying with him, trying to rehab him, etc.” So the fact the second comment immediately shifts from Affleck to his ex-wife is not shocking. Disappointing but not shocking. It’s also a pattern I’ve witnessed all over the internet since the Harvey Weinstein story blew wide open: A pattern of condemning women for not speaking up or not speaking up sooner. Go to Ashley Judd’s Facebook page. It’s disgusting to read all the attacks on her. Look at how people have turned this into a Hillary Clinton issue. GMAFB.
But I’m digressing. I wanted to mention something about Ben. People in comment sections often claim Jennifer Garner is this PR master manipulator who forced a “good guy family man” persona on Mr.”I never pretended to be anything but a rogue” Ben Affleck. But remember what happened when Ben was on “Finding Your Roots”? He pressured Henry Louis Gates into editing out the revelation he came from a family of slaveholders. I think Ben is alot more conscious of his PR image than people realize. There is no doubt his career benefited from the family image he got with Jennifer and their kids. I think he had just as much to do with that as Jennifer Garner. Now he’s trying to cultivate this image of being Mr Woke. I believe Rose. He’s a phony SOB. And the way people attack the women in his life when he’s the serial cheater, groper, liar is just sad af.
Yes. To everything that you said.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Well said!
Preach it, sister.
You remember how that director said he was sneaky? His sneaky is much broader than I thought, and he does craft the image he wants because he isn’t stupid. Anyone who thought he was stupid was very wrong. He is aware of his image and what he puts out there.
I am beginning to think he even let it look like she was the image manipulator when all along it was him in a subtle, sneaky way. Nothing about him would surprise me anymore.
Sorry Jennifer!!
No I believe 100% that she was a big part his image manipulator team, when it came to fixing and keeping his family man, good guy image.
With out her his PR game is a mess he so I wouldn’t call him smart. The “Finding Your Roots” situation was a debacle, his is a mess in public before this bomb dropped, before Jen his image and career were in the crapper.
Having said that Jen G, JLO, the nanny and his new girlfriend should not be held accountable for his actions
Ben is responsible for his sexual assault.
Ben is responsible for his career slope.
Ben is responsible for his cheating.
Ben is responsible for his drinking and public intoxication.
Yes. And on a side note, I’ve never found him physically attractive and he’s aging poorly.
It’s now 3:13pm East Coast time and this post has 238 comments and 90% of them are about Jen and not what a disgusting piece of sh*t Ben is.
I have no words.
I have words, disgusting and pathetic for people to even bring her up in a discussion on Ben being a douchebag predator. Makes my stomach churn.
I wish Jennifer Garner all the best as she continues to move forward as a single mother. She has handled this entire experience with dignity and grace. Ben Affleck is a pig and has been reverting back to his d-bag ways over the past few years. His behavior on the Live By Night tour was beyond comprehension. He was all over Sienna Miller and going on about the marathon sex scenes. Remember when he put his coat on her while he was still wearing it? Some people thought he was groping her too. In his world, that type of behavior is okay – most people see it as gross. I am so glad Jennifer filed for divorce – I just wish she didn’t have to deal with him at all. He is drama with a capital D and unfortunately she keeps on having to deal with his problems.
Rose McGowan’s Twitter has been suspended!
Ben Affleck is a vile, disgusting, grope-y pig.
He is. HIM. Last time I checked he has total autonomy over his wandering hands and his sewage mouth. He made is choices. He put up quite the act for along time but this is who he is.
And what was Garner was supposed to do? Put a shock collar on the creep to detour him from being a pig? The guy would have died from being electrocuted apparently because he did what he wanted to, giving zero f*cks about his wife or children. Ugh.
Ben Affleck and his brother are trash. I wonder how many more women have tales of being sexually assaulted by them.
I’m sure he’ll go to rehab and paint HIMSELF as a victim (of addiction, or fame, or some other cr@p).
I was a little saddened to read the reporter’s reaction, but not really surprised. I’m pretty sure she does think it’s no big deal and it was all a “game”. Unfortunately, just how there are men that don’t realize their behavior is harassment, there are women that don’t realize they are the target of inappropriate behavior. This is why I’m glad these stories are coming out and I hope they keep coming, so they have an actual impact in our culture and we start calling things for what they are.
Yeah, I’m thinking that Ben’s PR were quick to get her on board. In the comment section of an article about the video, one of the camera men during the taping said it was not appropriate and they were very uncomfortable with what was going on during the taping and where ready to stop him.
If she says she was fine with it then that is her truth.
I can’t help but feel suspicious though. I imagine Ben’s PR is running in circles today.
Canceled here, too. Was never a big Ben fan. For years, I’ve referred to him as Garbage Man because he always looks to me like he just crawled out of a dumpster. Turns out, he’s a Garbage Man in deeds as well. BOY BYE.
It certainly seems like the flood gates have opened. I bet there are a lot of men in Hollywood, and other industries, looking for confidential settlements and/or prepping crisis management/PR.
Soon, all men will be gay, start groping each other and women won’t have anything to worry about…
I’m sorry but what in the everloving f*@k does this god damn comment even mean? Am I taking crazy pills? Reading some comments has me feeling like I’m turning into Louis Black or Sam Kinison.
Wow. So you didn’t read the Terry Crewes story? Men don’t like being assaulted any more than women. This is not a woman’s issue, this is about having respect for humans. Just, wow.
Not that any of this is good, but WOW am I glad to see all these creeps get their comeuppance. Keep talking, brave ladies.
Ha! I had that exact same sentiment earlier after seeing the Momoa ‘unearthed video’ bit on the Guardian website, on top of the Affleck mess that’s been developing. Warner/DC execs must be banging their heads against the wall – they caught such a huge break with WW, and now Justice League comes up and the main actors in it bring all this baggage to the PR. Surely some people in pr/press department are doing overtime right now, trying to figure out how to best navigate through this shit.
(Sorry, wrong reply button; this is supposed to be a reply to no. 12 post by Mia4s).
Ben’s PR or bloggers are working hard today. Aren’t we?
You mean CC? Sure i will buy it.
You suck Batdad! Booooo!
You know when the nannygate came out, I thought to myself “how low can Ben go?” Then he rolled out his mistress so blatantly courting the media and paps with all their smug public parades all over the place. He was out drinking with her and his PR spin was “she lets him be an adult” while the ex was just a nag. Now this. It turns out this guy is a bottomless cesspool. His constant cheating (no Hollywood secret) showed no respect to his family whatsoever. Everything he has done shows a narcissist who cared for no one but himself. It was always up to Jen to care for those kids and shield them from all of this grossness. I can’t fathom why others condemn her. Imagine her job. A parent’s job is to protect his/her children from the ugly things in this world. In her case, one of those things is their father.
I stayed out of commenting on this thread, because blaming Jen is silly. I don’t get it. She loved him. She loves her children. She worked on the last several shittyyears of her marriage, because she still loved him. But, most importantly, divorce means not being with her kids every single day. She had little ones and tried for her family. And people don’t have to believe it, but I believe they had a lot of good years together.
Ben is his own worst enemy, and he doesn’t look happy. No one can fix that, Now his career is heading back to the toilet, an alcoholic. I think Jen is moving on. But she just wants him to get his life together, because she loves her kids. And that’s what is best for them, a sober, healthy father.
@Jayna, I think she is in a no-win situation and has been for a long time. She can’t really turn her back on him because of the kids. The pictures yesterday were painful to see. It seems that every time they are starting to heal – he does something else to hurt them.
He can grab my butt anytime.
We know, Matt Damon.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
tell that to his daughters and son who will soon be reading/watching the videos/being bullied/derided at school about their father’s grossness.
He won’t though. He isn’t overly interested in ladies who consent to his ‘overtures’.
Affleck was cancelled from the whole JLo thing, tbh. When he blamed her for almost ruining his career (whut?) I was done. Also, his turn at Daredevil, too.
Well of course Ben was out with Jen and the girls doing a cozy pap stroll yesterday. Disgusting. He was getting called out for it on every site. He uses those kids whenever he needs an image repair. Why does Jen allow her children to be used this way? Why does she participate? He made his bed, let him lie in it.
People are smarter now. We know he is a POS and really a lousy father. The pictures are sad looking. A couple of them looked like Jen was crying but he appeared to be whispering to her to make them all look good. She was there to pick up Sera. Ben did the photo op clearly.
On another note, both girls are so beautiful!
There is so, so much internalised misogyny on the comments here that it hurts my heart.
A thread on a man who sexually assaulted women, plural, during a marriage to a woman who plainly loved him very much (whatever else you think of Garner, and how healthy you think that love was, I’ve not seen anyone deny it) and she’s getting more blame and commentary than he is? When there’s not any scrap of evidence that she knew, let alone supported this behaviour?
Can we at least agree to castigate the actual perpetrators as a first response? No?
No wonder men like this get away with it. Everyone is looking at the women around them and asking what they were doing to police it. It’s the metaphorical short skirt query, and yet another way a woman is being held responsible for the depraved actions of a man.