I’ll say it: I’m a Wes Anderson fan. I still love The Royal Tenenbaums, sorry not sorry. I thought Moonrise Kingdom was a beautiful gem of a film. I flat-out adored The Grand Budapest Hotel. I never saw The Darjeeling Limited, which is probably a good thing since I hear that film was problematic AF. I can recognize Wes Anderson as a brilliant filmmaker making these delightfully weird films AND I can recognize that Wes Anderson has some issues with culture appropriation, using people of color as props, and playing into racial (and racist) stereotypes about Asian people. Well, Wes has a new movie – Isle of Dogs. As we discussed last year when the first poster came out, the film is set in Japan, and yet almost all of the actors doing voice work in the film are white Americans. These white Americans voice the dogs on-screen. I said I would wait to find out just how problematic it really is. So now that critics are screening Isle of Dogs, what’s the reaction?
Wes Anderson’s new film Isle of Dogs is generating controversy for its depiction of Japanese culture, ahead of its theatrical release on Friday. Written and directed by Anderson, the stop-motion film is set in a dystopian future Japan where dogs have been sequestered to a remote island due to an outbreak of “canine flu,” and the plot centers on one boy’s mission to find his own lost pup. Murmurs of cultural appropriation and insensitivity have followed the film since its award-winning premiere at the Berlin Film Festival last month, and now as its official release nears, criticisms are becoming more widespread.
Among the elements of the film sparking controversy are Anderson’s decision to have the dogs speak English while the residents of Megasaki City speak native Japanese; the fact that the vast majority of the voice cast is not East Asian; and, as Los Angeles Times critic Justin Chang puts it in his review of the film, the fact of a “white American filmmaker’s highly selective, idiosyncratic rendering of an East Asian society.”
Isle of Dogs remains a well-received film, with its Rotten Tomatoes score above 90%; EW’s own Leah Greenblatt praised the movie’s “endearing, complicated humanity.” Neither a representative for Anderson nor the film’s distributor, Fox Searchlight, provided immediate comment on the controversy. Speaking to EW recently about the inspiration for the film, though not about the controversy specifically, Anderson said, “The movie is a fantasy, and I would never suggest that this is an accurate depiction of any particular Japan. This is definitely a reimagining of Japan through my experience of Japanese cinema.”
Stephen Gong, the executive director of the Center for Asian American Media, said in a statement to EW about the controversy, “This film is part of a larger oeuvre that includes films like The Darjeeling Unlimited that uses ‘exotic’ people and locations as window dressings. Anderson’s aesthetic hasn’t evolved despite the larger conversations sweeping the industry. This is just one example of why there still needs to be more films directed by women, people of color, and people from other marginalized communities.”
From what I saw, The Los Angeles Times’ Justin Chang got the ball rolling last week when he published this review/commentary piece about what is so problematic and insensitive about the film. Chang actually liked the film and had a lot of praise for many parts of the film, but Chang points out the levels of marginalization in the language issues, like having the “Japanese characters” speak Japanese and yet the Japanese dogs all speak with American-accented English. Chang also has a problem with one of the central plot points which casts the Japanese population as largely “passive” and in need of leadership from a white foreign exchange student.
So is it possible to enjoy the film with all of Wes Anderson’s weird brilliance, or should we avoid it? I don’t have the answer. I think the conversation is important though, because maybe someday soon Wes Anderson will understand why some of his urges are problematic and he’ll try to be better.
Photos courtesy of ‘Isle of Dogs’.
Before anyone starts banging on about the insignificance of the ethnicity of a voiced character let me remind you that animated films take great pride in matching the energy and persona of the voice actor to the characters they portray. So Anders deserves to be called out here. And depicting the Japanese as unintelligible natives is reductive and patronizing as hell.
And the first six dogs ‘interviewed’ are male. Is this based on a Japanese book? I’m unfamiliar with the story.
And it does seem odd, ‘American’ dogs, Japanese people, in Japan.
Yup. With two female dogs and one human girl. So 30% of the main cast is female including what sounds like smallish parts for ScarJo and Swinton. The major parts are all male. No thanks that’s not good enough. Going to see Tomb Raider instead.
PS the translator’s voice is also female. So add another small role for women.
That’s what I noticed right away too — I thought “Why are all these dogs male?” and then oh, there’s the cute token female afterthought. *sigh*
I’m surprised in all the discussions going on about this movie right now, no one has brought up Wes Anderson’s signature on the Polanski petition.
http://www.indiewire.com/2009/09/over-100-in-film-community-sign-polanski-petition-55821/
Wes Anderson is a bit twee for me – I find his films overly self aware and pretentious. Though after reading this, I’m now thinking they aren’t self aware enough? Very disappointing.
I just binged on Catastrophe. Now I think of Wes Anderson and “The Emancipation of Flyburton Crisp.”
Maybe self-regarding? I’m of East Asian descent. I remember watching 500 Days of Summer and finding the bit where they’re shopping in the furniture store and the Asian family peeps out at them without a word incredibly racist and offensive. Two seconds in a film but it was racist the way the family was presented as a “weird touch” to add “texture” to the scene. Also the crazy lady in the hotel where Will Smith is escaping from the gov agents in Enemy of the State. Ken Leung in all of the Hangover films. The list goes on. Scarlett Johansson’s casting in Ghost was controversial but I actually think they treated the Asian characters in that film okay, for example, the Japanese lady she visits (avoiding spoiler here). Often the apparent reticence or reservation of “Asians” (a diverse group) is used to distance the character(s) and make them “exotic” or “weird” just for the sake of it.
Directors really can’t win here. If they don’t make these films, they are critiqued. If they do make these films, they’re critiqued. I’ve seen the film and I thought it was brilliant (also not white so don’t accuse me of being so). WallE didn’t exactly depict Americans in a flattering light. Sometimes it is JUST a film. I wish people would get as riled up about climate change and factory farming as they do about entertainment.
It’s easy to win, though. Don’t be racist. Don’t treat other cultures like shoes you bought at Target.
Thank you @Hindulovegod. It really is that simple and yet people still struggle
Right? Not that hard
I love many of Wes’ films and hated a few too. So I am a critical fan but being also Asian American, I want a talented director such as him to do better. We know they can —- so this is very disappointing. Especially the stereotypical portrayal of East Asians or reinforcing the the message of being the other. I will sadly skip this based on the commentaries.
This. Exactly. @Ramona:
“I wish people would get as riled up about climate change and factory farming as they do about entertainment.”
Agree. Those two topics are dear to my heart. I guess I’m not that critical in some respects. I just go to be entertained. I tend to not think too deeply about movies. This wouldn’t have occurred to me to be bothered about who is speaking english and who is speaking japanese?
I wouldn’t applaud that “point” it’s actually a classic derailing tactic to frame our awareness of important issues as if it is a zero-sum game. It’s not in fact. As others have pointed out, it’s very possible to care about climate change, factory farming, AND representation in popular media. It happens that this is a media gossip site, so we are focused on the latter in this thread.
This. Exactly.
“I wish people would get as riled up about climate change and factory farming as they do about entertainment.”
well umm.. it is very possible to champion all three causes. just because you care about climate change doesn’t mean you’ll stop caring about the entertainment you feed yourself.
You sound White.
P.S. People can get riled up about POC representation in media and the racist microaggressions in media AND climate change. POC environmental activists exist, you know. (I’m one of them, a board member of a local organization building sustainability culture.) And I hate that right now I basically have to justify my personhood to yet another person who doesn’t understand why White Saviorism and cultural appropriation are such problems. I love this site sometimes but other times the comments are such hot garbage.
I’m snatching hot garbage. Oh and well said.
Yep. As if we don’t have enough space to worry about multiple things. Chances are if you’re a minority you consistently have to hold space for a million problems.
white saviorism reminds me of a video of a compilation matt damon’s past works as…white savior, obviously~
but seriously, back on topic, just because we talking and fighting on cultural appropriation doesnt mean that we dont care about other things ffs
people can be passionate about more than one issues
ITS. NOT. THAT. HARD. TO. MAKE. A. CULTURALLY. APPROPRIATE. MOVIE.
@Nicole, louder for the people in the back plz
‘ I wish people would get as riled up about climate change and factory farming as they do about entertainment.’
Talking about social issues within the framework of the entertainment industry seems to make the information easier to digest for the average person. Thus making it a more effective way to win hearts and minds than hitting them over the head with cold hard facts.
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I compared the dogs experience to the First Nations experiences in the beginning of colonialism. They spoke different languages, the surviving First People were placed on garbage land. They didn’t understand why they were treated as unwelcome interlopers in their own country, unjustly treated, losing their homes. The last injustice being treated like garbage, thrown away to be forgotten
I’ve seen the trailer for this in theaters and I had the same thought so I’m glad people are speaking up. I generally like his different movie style but when you base a movie about a country and its people, I would think you use actors from that country? This kind of reminds me of Matt Damon saving China. Why can’t people learn not to be dumb?
ITA, when I saw the trailer last year I knew right away that this would be an issue. How could so many people be so blind about this?
Because they don’t even know anyone who isn’t like them.
it reminded me of that movie too.
having said that, I’m not even surprised tbh
this is not the first of ‘white savior coming and leading the (asian) pack’ plot
The Darjeeling Limited…not Unlimited
Listen I’m the last one to defend a problematic white man, so I’m surprised I am thinking this way but… couldn’t the American English of the dogs be akin to them having their own “language”? Like a way of setting them apart as not human and not speaking the native launguage of the humans around them because they are a different species entirely?
That’s just what I thought when I saw the trailers for this movie.
I interpreted like you. I am sorry, but I fail to see this controversy.
I feel we as society are becoming too thin skin and too sensitivity and forgeting about context and all…
Don’t do that, don’t minimize like that. It’s highly insulting and condescending
Agree, Miss m.
This is part of the problem – that our voices are not acknowledge. Asian Americans are speaking up on how they should be accurately portrayed and it is labeled as ‘a non issue’.
Yes that’s what I thought also.
I mean… in real life dogs don’t speak. He had to choose a language to represent “dog language”. He chose English because he’s American and makes his movies for an American/international audience.
Yes. Exactly. And because he uses voices that are familiar and will be known. That’s the point.
I actually thought this too. I saw the movie a few weeks back (prior to Justin Chang’s piece) and really loved it, but his piece made me realise the tone deafness of having Gerwig’s character the leader of the rebellion against corrupt Japanese officials. Like, really? The white American leads the fight? Ugh.
But I also believe it’s still a great movie. Uniquely Wes Anderson, incredibly funny and sweet, but admittedly with that sliver of diceyness, in a “cultural tourist” sort of way . With stuff like this, I think people’s criticisms are valid, particularly from Asian-Americans or Japanese critics themselves, but I also don’t think it’s great for anybody to talk about “Wes is cancelled” or anything along those lines. He should be entitled to make his movie, others should be entitled to say it’s trash, and non-white filmmakers should be entitled to the same opportunities he has had to make their own work that doesn’t so overtly traffic in cultural tourism.
I think it is just symptomatic of American film-making regardless, even in a white film, where there is an international setting, it will be a white American coming to save the day.
This is why Europeans get annoyed when European stories or histories get made in to films and get altered so that suddenly there is an American in there centre stage.
That is not to minimise the issues with regards to race and ethnicity but if you are used to inserting Americans in to save the day you probably aren’t going to be thinking about these issues anyway.
By making it literally impossible to comprehend the Japanese people in the film he is otherizing them to the extreme. It robs them of their narrative, despite the integrity of it or lack thereof, while mining their very land and culture for the nice juicy bits he wants to keep. In absolutely every single crappy espionage movie or thriller we can understand the bad guys, whether they be Russian, Asian, Middle Eastern, Italian etc.
Completely agree Shotcaller.
POC are not thin skinned, they are extremely thick skinned, historically to present day. So when a minority group speaks up its insulting to say you are overly sensitive.
Its so easy to make a film where you are not racist, mysoginistic, ethno-centric and otherizing. Its just most movies are made by white men and they choose to remain ignorant and see the world through white privileged tinted glasses.
If the Japanese is not subtitled, or even if it is, it might be intended like the sound of adults in Peanuts. The dogs are the focus, yes? The English is a dub of dogspeak.
It’s weird that they use a foreign exchange student as the “leader” for the action, though. Would make more sense to have a Japanese character. They could have wild hair color in anime fashion to make the character stand out
Ugh. Too bad, because it sounds like a very interesting project, cosidering Wes’s weirdness amd aesthetic and a sensitive story, someone (producers, studio, writters, casting directors) should have put a bit more effort into the right execution of that idea. On the other hand Wes makes it sound like his his take on Japan was sort of tourist’s gaze at the culture and mkst his movies have that element of an outsider looking in. Most people do that in their own way, including travelling to some distant countries and then they come back in two weeks and act like they are experts on their culture (despite hardly interacting with locals or learning their history), most often ending up perpertuating whatever stereotypes we have here in the West of non Western cultures. The question is if art such as movies consumed by large amount of people can and should do that. I personaly find it highly problematic because it is very hard to make it right and more often ends up reinforcing the streotypes. In any case this does not explain why more Asian actors were not hired to voice the characters.
I’ve never seen a single Wes Anderson film and I won’t be seeing this one either.
I effing LOVE Wes Anderson! I haven’t read Chang’s piece yet or seen the movie so I’m not aware of the details of the voice problem. But like, Fantastic Mr. Fox, Anderson intentionally uses voices we recognize to voice animals. That’s the point and it’s very effective. I’m sorry that an American movie audience recognizes American actors voices.
Also, I LOVE The Darjeeling Limited the most. I’m not aware of that controversy. What’s the problem?
Read this @Kathleen
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2007/09/unbearable_whiteness.html
I would expect that the dogs’ parts will be dubbed into other languages for international distribution, along with any other English parts. If it’s aimed at children, they are unlikely to use subtitles.
They are likely to keep the Japanese parts as-is, however, since it seems that language was used to keep the focus on the dogs (although the Japanese dialog is actually properly scripted by a Japanese writer). That will be fun for a Japanese audience at least.
I don’t think films like this would be AS big an issue where cultural appropriation was concerned if Asians and other ethnic minorities had visibility within the movie industry. However, when you have a consistent pattern of utilizing minorities as window dressing to a plot driven by white actors (or in this case, DOGS), it does reflect poorly and continues the trend of subordinating minorities to the “Other.” If you’re only focusing on the ways that non-Westerns are “different” rather than finding human threads that run through all of us, regardless of culture, that’s an insidious form of racism that requires more self-examination.
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And there it is. Thank you!!
Yup! You wrapped it up nicely, Veronica.
I wish people would just LISTEN for once. People who are used to racism f*cking know it when they see it.
“It doesn’t seem racist to me.”
Well, congratulations on being white.
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As an Asian, it’s never fun being lectured by white people on racism. The worst one when they lecture me on appropriation, ugh
Kitten, I get all the points.
I am not white and I still fail to see the controversy.
I am genuinely asking this if the dogs were speaking Spanish, any African language or mandarim would people still have a problem with it? Of if the dogs were voiced by minority actors speaking English, would it be an issue?
Miss M,
With respect, I think maybe you aren’t getting all the points if you’re not getting that it’s not about the language that the dogs are speaking. It’s about the fact that the movie is set in Japan. Veronica put it very well up thread when she wrote that the is a bigger issue is in the context of lack of representation. If you have an industry that pretty much excludes the voices and stories of a certain group of people or culture, it’s irresponsible and perhaps offensive to make a movie that represents that culture and its people through the lens of exclusion and otherization when said movie takes place in that culture’s homeland. It’s imperialistic and exploitive.
“It doesn’t seem racist to me.”
Well, congratulations on being white’
Because only white people can be racist, right?
@girlmonday: thank tou for your respectful reply. Language is very much part of a culture. But based on what I just read here and without watching the movie, it seemed the outrage was the fact they use English for the dogs. As of right now, I have read some of the reviewers (including a Japanese born critic working at Vulture) that the way they use the language (sometimes not even translating what the Japanese characters say) and making all about the dogs that speak English made it seem they could have chosen any other place other than Japan as the background to the story.
So, the way the discussion started here, I totally viewed as a non-issue because I interpreted as the dogs had their own language and Wes chose English to depict that.
Ps: on a positive note, I believe I read that they did hire a Japanese writer to write the Japanese dialogue…
I ADORE Wes too…have seen EVERYTHING he’s made…but he’s ALWAYS straddling that line where he can damn near DROWN in his entitlement…and when I saw the preview for this last year…I LITERALLY SLAPPED MY FOREHEAD in the theater with the “WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY” of so many aspects regarding this film…He’s too old and too intelligent and TOO TALENTED to STILL be this lazy…
Veronica nailed it. Instead of saying people are being overly sensitive, try listening. This is a problem, and one that is not new for Wes Anderson. I’m proud of the Asian American film critics that first started calling this out, and for the non Asian film critics that have also begun to criticize it.
When you still can’t get representation in entertainment (yet your food is constantly being columbused and trendy in culture) and yet another movie reduces your culture down to art direction… yeah it’s problematic AF.
I understand the sentiment. However, the dogs spoke their “own” language which he made English because this was intended for an English speaking audience. The little boy pilot was also an active protagonist who led to a rebellion in his own way. I felt the white girl didn’t have that large of a part, and actually the Japanese scientist and little boy pilot were the actual drivers of the plot of the movie. It was a great movie nonetheless, and had strong references to colonialism, nationalism, and fascism.
Would you say that a dog who lives among white folks should speak with a white voice and a dog that lives among poc folk should speak with a poc voice?
derp. just posted a similar theory below. don’t roast me for repetition.
I appreciate your review as you’ve actually seen this film. This is a difficult topic as while there are some depictions that are unquestionably offensive (being Arab and Native I’m used to terrible, often very demonized portrayals of my peoples), there are others that are more open to individual interpretations. This sounds like the latter, and I’m now kind of interested to see it myself. Hmm.
Still begs the question why not use Asian voice actors??
Gee, I wonder what accent my dog speaks in?
Mine speaks in Derp, Sneaky, and Lovestruck. I could listen to him all day
Why hasn’t anybody brought up the fact that Wes Anderson’s signature is on the Polanski petition?
http://www.indiewire.com/2009/09/over-100-in-film-community-sign-polanski-petition-55821/
ask him about THAT.
I’ve seen the film. It’s beautiful, wonderful. And when you say “Isle of Dogs” it sounds ike I Love Dogs. That’s all.
In addition, to the culture appropriation, there are like twenty men and two men! Why only four woman’s voices out of forty? I will see this because it looks amazing and I love his movies, but he needs to include everyone–including the other half of the species.
I work in the filmmaking industry and I can’t tell you guys that it’s the studio that calls the shots , the producers and the financiers, not the director. It is likely that his choices would have been different but like in a political election , you owe to concede creative freedom to the people who put you there. All they largely care about is ratings and box office. The film has to appeal to a wide audience, an American one at that first and foremost. It’s sad but that’s how it works. The studio is responsible if anything.
Responsibility should be expected of everybody up and down the line. Wes Anderson isn’t a struggling indie director trying to get his first movie off the ground. He’s a well-regarded director with a lot of financial success backing him. Is the studio responsible for their decisions? Sure. But so is he. We just watched Black Panther smash its competition for more than a month straight, so this outdated concept of minority participation being financially detrimental is becoming increasingly and more obviously problematic.
My husband and daughter are excited to see it, and I’m kind of meh. The man and I were talking about the appropriation/culture/language issues, and he pointed out that in the trailer when the dog talks to the boy, who presumably speaks only Japanese as depicted in the movie, the boy can understand what the dog is saying, even though the dog is speaking what we’re hearing as English. Which lead to the idea that the dogs are speaking “dog” so you hear it in whatever language you speak. If it’s dubbed over in other languages for other audiences, it’s a workable theory, but may be giving too much credit.
Kubo and the Two Strings had the same issue, which annoyed me too. At least with Disney, they actually cast actors of color for characters of color.
I’m torn because I really hated the cast list when I first saw it- white white white (and in japan?), and so male. But it also has Goldblum, and I love Goldblum. I wont watch this in theatres, but I hope I’ll get to stream it sometime.
The studios know better than this by now, come on.
Good. Wes had this coming. His cutesy white guy indie darling status has protected him for too long. On the surface his films seem harmless — highly stylized miniatures organized with clockwork precision. But behind the lucre is a rotten, orientalist worldview. Grand Budapest Hotel was a travesty for me, as someone who grew up partially in Eastern Europe. Cute Nazis? Check! Reducing a seminal cultural text (by Stefan Zweig) about the pains of losing a sense of Europenness during world war two to marzepan figure hijincks? Check! Naming a fake Eastern European country after a Polish vodka? Check again! Laughing at the differently abled and using them as gruesome punchlines? You betcha! Of course mostly American and Brisitsh/Irish actors were cast. That film had the cultural nuance of Borat, without Baron Cohen’s glimpses of self-awareness. I can’t even imagine what Darjeeling limited was like. And these kinds of images are harmful. Others above have explained why they are better than I can, but wanted to reiterate that. No pass – do better.
The issue I don’t see brought up is the not so small matter of the target audience. I am pretty confident that the vast majority of moviegoers will be children and parents of those children. With that in mind, young minds are not going to appreciate any cinematography, new wants, artsy farts he crap. They’re going to see that Japanese people yell a whole hell of a lot and they are fine with treating dogs like crap. I’m oversimplifying here, but that’s been my problem when I’ve seen the trailer. It looks like a beautiful movie to watch. The visuals are odd and creative and cool, but do I want my kids to internalize Japanese stereotypes? It’s obviously a kids movie, so what are kids taking away from it? It just doesn’t sit right.
i watch Criminal Minds; have for years. The UNSUB is almost always a white male. on rare occasions it’s a white female.
Statistically, in the US, going back 40 years, serial killers are 52% WHITE and 40% BLACK.
Am I supposed to be upset over that?
Only you know what upsets you, so I don’t know if you should or shouldn’t be. I also don’t quite know what your point is. Is it that Hollywood is so White that Black people can’t even get cast as serial killers?
Bella – Those statistics are in dispute, so not sure what about them should worry anybody. I just googled a bit and saw much lower figures for black and/or non-white serial killers (the lowest I saw was 20% in just a few minutes of searching) in some definitely reputable sources. So be careful about repeating them as gospel truth.
There are problems in the records. For example, which ethnicities are actually included? That’s not always clear. Obviously there are going to be more white serial killers simply because whites are still the majority in the US (although percentages are shifting). But I would say your statistics sound like at minimum lumping everybody not obviously white into the black category. That covers a lot of people.
Also there are problems in deciding what any statistics mean because experts seem to think that many serial killers are not caught. It also depends on the definition and how they operate and where they operate and why they operate. For example, if they are motivated by money (contract killers) or gang warfare (really paramilitary) — are they all tossed in together as serial killers? Most people don’t consider those in the normal serial killer category, probably because they would not affect most people as targets. Likewise, when two competing drug dealers decide to shoot it out between them – not really my problem unless I get caught in the crossfire. The public risk is less compared to more conventional serial killers who might more likely target little old me.
“Also there are problems in deciding what any statistics mean”
Exactly. Some people think that just throwing raw numbers around are the be and end all. They’re not. 53.7% of people know that.
I liked Rushmore and The Royal Tannenbaums but I couldn’t finish Moonrise Kingdom and The Grand Budapest Hotel because I found them incredibly dull. I have no interest in seeing this dog movie.
I am half Asian and have spent some time in Japan. What bothers me is the idea that Japanese people are passive. That belies a total misunderstanding of the people and their culture. In reality, Japanese people follow rules, protocols and niceties because they can see the intrinsic value to society. It’s a totally different way of viewing the world than a Western ideal of the individual first.
To be fair, I haven’t seen the film but it would seem that Anderson has totally misread Japanese society.
Sometimes change comes at a glacial pace. Over 50 some years since Breakfast at Tiffany’s and Mickey Rooney’s nightmarish performance as Mr. Yunioshi.
Not to mention the Afro textured hair. Beyond tone deaf. No excuses at this point. It’s willful ignorance/arrogance.
What about criticizing it for being boelring and pretentious like all of his movies?