Over the weekend, we discussed the rural gossip of trouble amongst the Turnip Toffs, the loose group of aristocrats, royals and merely wealthy friends in Norfolk, England. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge apparently view themselves as the King and Queen Bee of the Turnip Toffs, so much so that Kate might have felt the need to “phase out” a powerful local marchioness, Rose Hanbury, the Marchioness of Cholmondeley. No one knew WHY the alleged phase out. It was some interesting tea, made even more so when Prince William ran to Richard Kay to deny the whole ordeal in weirdly specific fashion, all while throwing Meghan and Harry under the bus for no apparent reason.
So where are we right now? Well, the story is both dying on the vine AND getting dishier, if that makes sense. After William’s blatant tantrum to Richard Kay, many British outlets are terrified of being sued if they report any of the rumors circulating about the whole situation. And to be clear, there are rumors out there, they just aren’t being published by any of the British media outlets which would have been gleeful if a similar piece of news came out about Meghan and Harry. One of those rumors came out yesterday, when a well-known restaurant reviewer/food critic and all-around shady, racist provocateur Giles Coren tweeted (and deleted) this:
Is it more than possible that Coren was merely gossiping about something he thinks is happening? I don’t know. I think an affair is definitely in the realm of possibility for William, because let’s be real. What I question is whether this particular marchioness was up for it. Rose Hanbury is already married to an attractive older aristocrat with a cool name and cool title. She lives in a virtual palace. She has three kids. Why would she endanger her lifestyle for a roll in the proverbial turnips with Normal Dull Bill? Here’s something else I don’t get about the “affair” rumor – the idea that William and Rose were having an affair and Kate only recently learned about it, and that’s why Kate wanted Rose “phased out.” If that’s the case, Kate was the one who brought attention to this whole situation, and that’s not exactly her m.o. Anyway, I still have questions.
Also – the Daily Mail contacted Rose’s parents to see if they would spill any tea. Their reaction is very odd too:
Parents of the Duchess of Cambridge’s ‘rural rival’ looked to each other for support before revealing there was ‘nothing to say’ about their daughter’s alleged falling out. At their Devon home yesterday, Rose Hanbury’s parents, Tim and Emma, expressed surprise at reports the Duchess of Cambridge reportedly banished her from their social circle.
Asked whether her daughter had discussed them, Mrs Hanbury glanced at her husband before replying: ‘Nothing to say about it.’ Mr Hanbury then intervened, saying: ‘Got no comment. There is no comment.’
No comment is not a denial! LOL. Rose’s parents are way more discreet than the Middletons, huh?
One last thing: we did get an email from someone claiming to be “close” to the Turnip Toff set in Norfolk, and this person claimed that the dynamics of the Turnips are not like anything we’re thinking of, that the aristo families are all trying to “one-up each other through vanity projects” and that if Kate really wanted to attack Rose, she wouldn’t do it in this messy AF way (I’m paraphrasing). I guess it’s possible that Competitive Keen Kate just decided to make a rival out of Rose and it had nothing to do with William, honestly.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red.
Messy messy messy.
I like the theory someone floated yesterday (Nota maybe?) that Rose was the go-between. She’s not the one sleeping with William, but she knows who is, and maybe is helping somehow. I could see Kate finding out about THAT and being hurt and angry.
I keep saying this, but that denial was just such a bad idea, whoever actually ran to Richard Kay. The initial gossip was sort of like “ooohhhhh, turnip toffs in a tiff!” but everyone would have lost interest in a day or two. the denial just fueled the fire.
I wonder who was the initial source about the falling out/fazing out/whatever. That is the interesting part to me now. Was it someone who was pissed at Kate, and went to the RRs to try to defend Rose?
I believe it was DigitalUnicorn. That theory’s a good possibility; after all, discretion is the most important thing to that set. Perhaps the Cholmondeley’s home is what Anmer Hall was to Charles and Camilla.
And I’m totally with you on the denial. I still cannot believe that they (William, Richard Kay, etc) thought that would be a good idea. No one was giving the story any serious attention until that ridiculous piece was published.
I wonder if Rose is the one who has been gossiping about this affair between an unknown other and Normal BIll Windsor and that was why she was being frozen out.
Maybe a “sympathetic” ear in one of the papers caught wind of this and reported the freezing out as a way to allude to an affair without risk of suing by the Palace and Normal Bill being dense threatens to sue and fans the flames and really blows things apart.
I may have too much imagination and time on my hands to think about this.
!!Further tin-foil hat theory alert!!
Does this alleged affair explain William’s recent thawing towards Charles in the press? A deeper understanding and forgiveness now that the boot is on the other foot sort of thing?
It’s a reasonable theory, don’t remember which of the more regular posters here mentioned it.
But also, there was someone on the original CB article a few days ago who said they had info from an ex-London flatmate who was close friends with someone at KP.
The story was, Rose is gossipy and indiscreet; no one is sure what she said and to who, but Kate flipped when it got back to her. And that some Tatler folks hang out with the Norfolk set.
Don’t think I’ve seen that person comment again on these articles, and the comment didn’t get much notice at the time, so who knows how valid the info was.
@WindyRiver, oooh, that’s a good theory. The only thing this set can’t abide by is people being indiscreet. Anything is fine as long as it’s under the radar, but if the affair is supposedly an “open secret” like it’s been hinted at by other reports, then I imagine that Kate doesn’t like it.
Giles Coren is a friend of Markus Anderson. He attended the opening of SoHo Amsterdam along with Harry and Meghan.
A lot of people from the London social scene, including celebrities (Coren was one of several presenters), attended that SoHo Amsterdam opening. Sophie Winkleman’s half-sister was there. Does that make her, or her sister or Princess Michael friends of Markus Anderson, too? Using 6-degrees of separation to tie MM to this clown and that over-blown rumor is ridiculous.
If there was an affair, I hope it was between Kate and Rose. Kate is a lot hotter than William.
LOL @Megan! I actually did have the thought that maybe Kate was the one having the affair, but I honestly don’t believe she would jeopardize her marriage/position that way.
You know what? If it weren’t for the kids I think I’d actually have a little “good for her” moment if Kate was the one having the affair. But I don’t think she’d risk her position like that and even though William expects to be allowed to play away, I bet he doesn’t let it go both ways.
Ha, I would love that but agree with Becks that Kate is way too controlled to jeopardize her lifestyle for an affair.
YES! This what I am here for. Can we make this affair happen? Please!!
Perhaps not now, but I’m rooting for 50-something Kate to have a side piece. When she’s older and has less flips to give. It would serve William right, tbh.
ITA with Millenial. Kate can’t risk an affair now, especially if she’s planning a 4th kid, but give it 10 years.
Does anyone really think Cathy Cambridge is planning a 4th child? Why on earth would she want another child?
A lot of people are saying Kate WILL have a fourth child.🙄
It would be delightful to think that Kate was open mined, adventurous and sensual – just don’t see it.
For an interesting read on the “turnip toff”, check out this 2014 daily mail article.
It hints that all of these aristocrats have bedded one another…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2754010/The-Turnip-Toffs-Meet-Kate-Will-s-new-neighbours-party-loving-Norfolk-set.html
@Becks1: I came here to write the same thing. I believe Rose knows that PW has been having an affair, is possibly friendly with the mistress, or even related to the mistress.
I believe that everyone has known, including Megs and Harry, & that we’ve been witnessing a covert meltdown of Wills’ & Kate marriage, disguised as aggression & gossip against the Sussexes. I also now believe that Megs and Hazza have been burdening the brunt of the affair, due to Wills’ determination to NOT end it, and thusly, has been rude to all who appear as a threat to said affair.
The parting of ways with the two brothers goes deeper than we realize, and even so, Megs has probably, with Hazza’s blessing as well as the Queen’s, decided to cancel any of Hazza’s associations with people who are close to this situation.
It appears that Wills is a chip off the old block. No wonder Kate appears to not have slept a wink for the last month or so.
As an aside, I just saw that video of Wills partying it up in Switzerland, with a very pretty blonde. He looks like a crazy, irresponsible, drunk 16 year old, on a weekend Ski trip, away from Mommy and Daddy.
This could also explain Kate’s weight loss and the strong belief amongst some people in the media that Kate will have another baby….maybe to offset rumours or try to cement the relationship.
Giles is a friend of Markus Anderson and attended the SoHo Amsterdam opening along with Hazza and Meg.
everyone is assuming it’s an affair. but i don’t think kate leaked it. kate’s MO has been to look the other way. she and bill are only so upset because it got out. he’s being messy. and it’s been going on for months. the daily beast said there have been whispers since last year. and the daily mail comments cried “fake news” because this story has come up 2 times before. i don’t think it’s fake news. i think it’s the british papers trying to whisper a story by innuendo and it’s finally taking notice.
again, why sue over this and not the meghan stories? something seems off.
Not suing over the Meghan stories is adding more suspicion.
Yes!
William threatens to sue at the drop of a hat. It’s his first reaction when things don’t go his way.
Exactly! All that horrible stuff posted about Meghan and no mention of suing but Some faux rumor about a rural rival of kate is worth suing about? Nah. Besides Kate “will be queen.” She has no rivals!
I can understand them threatening to sue because this affects another family with young children. This isnt just about W&K. Already the press are hounding the woman’s parents which is unfortunate.
The initial story was hardly a story at all though. It was a bare bones report that essentially said some high society wives had a fight with no reason provided. It was petty gossip and people were already dismissing it as such. Hardly anything worth taking legal action over.
The press has been hounding a pregnant woman viciously for months, so if they don’t care about doing that, why would they care about doing this?
The original story about a supposed fued came out two weeks ago. Then another story came out a week later that went a little further. If you look deeper at these stories innuendos were being made leaving people to wonder what it was all about. Rumors were clearly already doing the rounds so it’s doubtful it would have just gone away especially when social media is involved.
The other family are private citizens so it’s different how that is handled. The mantra of don’t complain don’t explain doesn’t really apply to them.
The whole “legal action” thing never made any sense to me. Suing someone for saying your wives don’t get along? Wtf? I…don’t think that’s illegal? Not to mention that a lawsuit would end up airing any dirty laundry that does exist. The entire Kay story was bizarre.
@Lorelei YES I agree. The threat to sue over something they really can’t sue over makes me think there’s something deeper there.
William and Harry had a falling out right? As wills told harry not to marry Mm? So why would they want to go to court about KM and MM rumours, and risk bringing attention to the real dirty laundry. Isn’t a “nicer story” that the two married in commoner wives have jealousy (cat fights are so normal!/s) than that the prince brothers have a serious rift?
Anyone want to bet that W&K are desperately hoping for Baby Sussex to be born any minute to take the attention off them? “Push Meghan, push!!!”
Why would she endanger her lifestyle ? Why would one do William, futur king of England? Well, for one, he is the futur king and it’s a proven aphrodisiac. Second, boredom.
i don’t think an affair would endanger her lifestyle. her husband can’t divorce her because that would pretty much admit she had an affair with william. and we all know kate and william will never get divorced. he wants to succeed where his parents failed and bring stability to the monarchy. the cambridges will never divorce. which is why will chose kate. she is solid. he gives her a cushy life and he gets to do whatever he wants. he just has to be discrete.
she always pushes back when he starts to get messy. 1) the hunting trip with jecca; 2) dad dancing and his hands inappropriately on that woman; and 3) now. she’ll get him in check again and it will all blow over
Yeah, re your second paragraph, I’m predicting Cambridge baby #4 will be announced within a year. Or maybe a new upgraded home for the Midds.
There has always been a concensus around here that the only reason Will would divorce Kate was if he fell in love with someone else. I’m not saying there will be a divorce, but perhaps the *messiness* of all this is that Will is in love with a woman not his wife. It would explain his strong reaction of running to Kay, and it would explain why Kate’s reaction is an issue. Kate doesn’t care about cheating but she would care deeply about love.
I agree that the chances of baby number 4 have now increased by 50%. I think we will know by August based on past timing.
@Nic919 AGREED.
So married men are not allowed to ‘dad dance’ with women that they are not married to? How very parochial.
There is a tradition of aristocratic ladies sleeping with the King or heir.
William seems a lot like his dorky father. Wouldn’t surprise me if he cultivates a “Camilla”.
Yep.
Its actually supposed to be an honor for the lady and her husband. Camilla’s husband let the affair happen. Its all very upper class English.
Not only that but in nearly 8 years of marriage Kate has had 3 babies. I used to work in a mainly male workplace and was astonished and dismayed by how many of my male colleagues cheated on their wives whilst the wives were pregnant. Awful…..
Honestly, I don’t think aristocrats like the Cholmondeley or others really look at these things the same way we do. I don’t think marital fidelity is exactly a deal breaker for them, perse. What they don’t like and can’t stand is when people are indiscreet with their affairs. You have to keep up a certain image at the end of the day, and that’s what matters, but as long as you do that, you’re free to dally as you please.
Heck, look at the Duke and Duchess of Rutland. They haven’t divorced, or even separated, but they’re quite openly living apart and carrying on affairs. But no one says anything, and it’s not a deal breaker, because everyone has full knowledge of the understanding they have with each other, and no one minds. Also the Duke of Rutland is a UKIP MP and a Brexit supporter, so I imagine if that wasn’t a big enough deal breaker for some of these aristocrats, the infidelity wouldn’t be either.
You are right, this is part of their culture. I just saw a documentary about Princess Margaret (who had numerous affairs with both sexes along with her husband, and let’s not forget Prince Philip). In the documentary her friends said that you married the proper person and had affairs along the way and that is the proper way.
Giles Coren is a strange man. He’s also talking to Hadley Freeman, who is great, but also a journalist.
Could it be that they are just being very tongue in cheek?
Not sure I would take this at all seriously, really!
That’s not to say that there might be something weird going on though, that’s being handled really badly!
So I keep trying to think of what the “something weird” could be if not an affair. What is such a big deal that this over the top, extremely bizarre denial was warranted? If we exclude an affair, then I wonder if it goes to what is described in the post, about the competition and vanity projects etc, and I wonder if Kate and Rose really did have a falling out related to that, and the full story makes Kate look really bad.
Giles is strange, for sure. What gives me pause about all of this is that Giles’s set is Cotswolds, not Norfolk. If he had gossip about Harry and Meghan, I’d be inclined to believe it, but this is a bit more doubtful.
Giles has a weekend country house in the Cotswolds but he’s pretty firmly London-set. All these people are. I mean the Cambridges live in London now, right, not Norfolk?
The upper class Brit world is very tiny, and not contained in geographical bubbles. Pretty much anyone on the London scene knows all the gossip going on anywhere else.
Giles is well-connected media elite, not upper class (Alexander Armstrong, his brother-in-law, is both). Pretty much anyone wealthy who works in London has their week day place in London and a country bolthole, but they pretend that the weekend is the only thing that matters (the poshest thing is, of course, to not have to work, spend no time in London and despise it with every fibre of one’s being). You tend to know more gossip about your neighbours.
It’s not just gossip within the aristocratic circles, journalists also know a great deal more of what is going down than they are allowed to say.
There’s media and there’s media. The fact that Giles apparently knew about it but Hadley Freeman had no idea means, to me, that it wasn’t common knowledge in London journalist circles. Sophia Money-Coutts’s silence on the matter is much more telling IMO.
Sophia actually commented and said if she said any more she would lose her head. That to me screams that Will is screwing around.
The rumors of an alleged affair are already doing the rounds in certain circles hence the innuendos put out there by journalists. Word will have obviously gotten back to w&k and it was only a matter of time until someone on social media started spreading it hence the push back. I’m really not sure they had any choice considering there is another family involved whose lives could potentially be destroyed by the media over something that might not even be true.
Yikes, that picture of Kate side-eyeing Rose tells quite a story. I know it was probably a quick glance caught in the moment and not as bad as it looks, but there’s something very sly and mean in that little side-eye.
Love the choice of putting that pic after “competitive keen Kate”.
The pic with the three of them that everyone is running is pretty funny. Rose seems to be saying something. Catherine knows what time it is, and is just watching. William looks concerned.
How has no one done a “TURNIP TOFFS TIFF!!!” headline yet?! Or did I just miss it?
Please let “Turnip Toffs Tiff” be the comment of the week on the next podcast!!
I want a Netflix TV series about the Turnip Toffs!!
I think a lot of this is just bs speculation. Honestly – I don’t think there was an affair. I think it’s more likely someone stepped on someone else’s toes, and there’s some weird aristo tantrum over something dumb like events or donors or something like that.
Honestly, I think that Giles guy was just trying to jump on the gossip train and look more informed than he is – but who knows. Maybe he’s right, but I don’t see it.
And either way – marrying an attractive old dude with a fancy title isn’t enough to keep someone from cheating. Rose isn’t some sort of wildly attractive woman either – I think Kate’s prettier – but again, that’s not going to keep someone from cheating. People who want to cheat will cheat. It has little to do with titles or looks, or anything else.
Yes to all of this. I think the affair gossip started simply because it would be the most scandalous reason for a tiff, not because it actually happened.
I personally can’t imagine a married woman with 3 children star-f**king Will, knowing how public the story would go if discovered. I mean, obviously this woman has spent her entire life cultivating her position in high society. She would be very cautious.
Also, William is ugh. Ugh to look at, ugh personality, treatment of Kate is ugh. I would never.
I can’t really see either of them doing it. I mean, he’s clearly not the greatest partner in the world, we know that. But the kind of treatment from the press would be BRUTAL for both of them.
I also wonder if the reason he issued a denial with this is that he genuinely isn’t going to cheat while married. And for all I know he has. But I also think there’s a good chance he wants to live his life differently from his parents and avoid the kinds of things that happened to them.
I think a lot of people are quick to believe this one because they don’t like W or K. But I don’t get any glee in hoping that a family gets busted up.
I think Kate told everyone to hold a date for a soirée at her place and Rose threw a better party that day and no one came to Kate’s party.
What about Camilla?
MA – Camilla and Charles had a relationship long before either married.
@Ader – Camilla disproves the whole “married women with children would NEVER”
Titles, money, power, looks – those things all play a huge role in affairs. That doesn’t mean that a woman in a perfectly happy marriage is going to look at William and just not be able to help herself, but let’s not pretend that William can’t sleep with a wide variety of women (IF he wanted to) because he is the future king.
That doesn’t mean that he was definitely sleeping with Rose, because who knows at this point.
I mean, yeah it plays a role. But it’s not the end-all. Usually people aren’t just cheating because they think someone is better looking than their spouse, usually there’s more to it than that. Affairs are weird.
And 100% – being a future King does help. But I also don’t think he’d be that stupid at this stage in the game – wife, three kids, and considering what happened with his own parents marriage. I genuinely think a ‘normal’ family unit is important to him.
I guess the difference is that I don’t think William and Kate would consider his cheating (discreetly) as against the “normal family unit” or that it would lead to the family breaking up, etc. Didn’t she tell Chelsey Davy that turning a blind eye was “part of the job” or something?
People repeat the sins of their parents all the time though. I never personally believed that William’s front row seat to his parents’ mess of a marriage automatically meant he would not repeat those mistakes. I’ve seen plenty of friends in real life follow the same dumb route as their parents. Now, it also doesn’t mean that William is or will, of course. Plenty of people, however, have affairs despite having great partners, lovely children, and financial and professional security.
To me, William seems like a decent bloke for a Windsor, but that is a low bar. I’ve never felt that Catherine and William have some grand passion for each other. They have deep trust and lots history, which is probably most critical for their roles. But I can absolutely believe one of them or both of them seeks out that passion somewhere else as a result. To each their own, IMO. If William IS having an affair, I very much doubt Catherine isn’t aware.
The aristocratic set is known to have open marriages and we can take a look at other Windsors who have had multiple affairs even beyond Charles and Camilla. The media sold the fairy tale “tru wuv for 10 years” story but we don’t actually know what the real situation is. Based on the glimpses of behaviour we have seen from William, he doesn’t exhibit devotion to Kate and has done many things which would have caused other marriages to fall apart. And if it’s true that Kate told Chelsy Davy to expect cheating, then she knows and is aware of that possibility. So if there is outrage, it isn’t because of cheating, but of that cheating not being discreet.
In any case this would probably have gone away had that ridiculous Richard Kay article not come out and mentioned talk of legal action. That raised eyebrows as to what really is going on and whoever spoke to Kay is an utter fool.
Interestingly, people have already taken it as gospel that the affair is ongoing; William is garbage and Kate is a doormat.
I personally think it’s gross speculation given that there are several small children involved in these two families, but speculators gonna speculate.
I hope it is not true. But seeing what Chucky and Diana did… maybe this is Chucky’s leak, who knows?
I don’t want to think that we have to repeat our parents’mistakes. But if will did cheat and it gets out, it will hunt those kids forever
@Enn, yep and the gleeful tone of many is very gross indeed.
Some people don’t care about a pregnant woman being attacked, so why would they care about little children being involved in a story about adults?
Bono
No one sane thinks attacking pregnant woman is ok. Two wrongs don’t make it right.
If this is all gossip yet people take it without a grain of salt, Will is a future king so imagine the crap Harry’s and Meg’s kid is gonna get. Literally one person cam destroy a family. And one thing i learned from Meg attacks is that there is no limit to human evilness. And the result is international insanity.
This …. Cheaters cheat, if that’s even what’s happening. He could be good looking, rich, have good life and kids, doesn’t mean what you know what goes on behind closed doors.
There are all kinds of reasons why people cheat.
@Erinn, “I think a lot of people are quick to believe this one because they don’t like W or K. But I don’t get any glee in hoping that a family gets busted up.” Agree so much with this. If only everyone were as nice and reasonable as you.
Shades of Emily Gilmore and who gets served tea first at the DAR meetings. For whatever reason, Kate is no longer served tea first at the Turnip Toff Tea Hour, Rose is. Kate is freezing her out of the club or she’ll never be able to show her face again.
Sounds plausible. LOL
I agree. Kate has seemed to happy recently to be a wronged wife. OTOH, I can totally see her getting her knickers in a twist if Rose said something positive about how well the Sussex tour went, or if mutual friends wanted to check with Rose first about plans for a holiday, or if Rose mentioned to a third party that George was sucking his thumb again.
Will might think that last option was sue-worthy (or referencing top-secret holiday plans).
Since when did a woman have to be prettier than a man’s wife before he decides to embark on an affair…Duh.
Princessk….exactly! Not sure how many other posters are in my age group but recall Bruce Springsteen married to a drop dead gorgeous Julianne Philipps cheating with Patty Scialfa!
Then why not say there is no beef and end it right there? Why not say Rose and her husband are delightful and we adore them and it’s all a misunderstanding and Kate would never try to “phase someone out” or some such. That would have ended it right there. But to say we barely know these people that live right down the road and know all our friends is ridiculous. And the line about prizing the loyalty of our friends and considering legal action seems over the top of it’s just nothing. But it sounds like whatever is going on is an open secret. Maybe Kate was trying to show she could get rid of the “other” whoever it is and not just be a doormat. Who knows?
This feels like history repeating itself. Granted, I was too young to really follow Charles and Diana at the time, but I’ve read all about the happy show they’d put on to quash rumors when things were actually imploding behind the scenes. Lies, mistrust, infidelities. Then later you read all of it was true and then some!
Yes, it does have vibes of things seen before.
Also weird one of Rose’s great , great family members was Mistress to the King.
Not that I think Rose would do that.
My feeling is Rose is a smart lady and plays the long game.
Also we read of threats of suing, but Richad Kay’s next sentence in the article ,backs off of that threat. The Richard Kay article did more harm than good.
Do you know her personally (or have mutual friends with her), AM?
I apologise if you do, it’s just a bit weird all these posters saying “Rose thinks…” and “Rose wouldn’t” and using her first name, about a woman most people had never even heard of before a couple of days ago.
if they sue that means all the parties would have to come to court or does it differ in the UK? Imagine the cross examination. The Queen would want it shut down, just like when Diana wanted to sue a gym owner or the Paul Burrell case.
It’s just an opinion, like every other commentors here.
I’m waiting for the truth to come out, that’s all, so I’m playing it middle of road, safe.
I said “I think”
I said ” my feeling”
Never said what Rose thinks. I said what I think, I feel, which I am perfectly entitled to as an opinion.
Frankly, I don’t think Rose Hanbury gives a sh*t.
She’s got it made. She’s the wife of a very very wealthy, titled aristocrat. She’s got the money, the castles, and the three beautiful children. Her son is going to be the next Marquess of Cholmondeley. The social circles she runs in are really lax on issues such as marital fidelity, and they don’t necessarily see it as a knock against one’s character. She’s never made pretensions about living a low key, middle class life, so there are really no stakes for her here like there are for the Cambridges. She doesn’t need to play the long game. She’s won the game.
Camilla’s grandmother or grandmother was the mistress to Charles’s great grandfather. That was how she introduced herself to Prince Charles. History repeating itself.
Camilla’s great-grandmother, Mrs. Keppel, had a long running relationship with Charles’ great-great grandfather, Edward VI
I was born the same year as Diana and this is nothing like Diana and Charles. Kate and William seem to be partners, not the same dynamic as C & D at all. I think people are all jumping on a very harmful rumor made up by some cook.
I was born two years before Diana & recall when they got engaged and wondering whywhywhy she was marrying that boring old stiff! Especially after the boneheaded response he gave during their engagement interview when asked if they were in love. They hardly knew one another before they got married and she had to call him Sir. Gah!
I would say this is really not at all like Charles & Diana. There was a huge age gap and he held all the power in their relationship. I feel like William and Kate are more of a team & of course much closer in age and knew each other well before they married.
Now every news outlet will play who’s the official sidepiece of the future king of England. And yes if there were rumors were Harry sniffing around Chelsy or Cressida on Meghan’s watch the tabloids would go there. If the Cambridges were behind the smears on Meghan karma has come for them. Sorry for the kids though.
Are you sorry for the kids? You don’t sound it.
In this era of social media it is easy for gossip to spread whether true or not. After reading a lot of the nonsense put out there by supposed reliable writers & journalists whose to say which one of them is even credible these days! I’m also not entirely convinced the Richard Kay piece came from KP because it raised more questions than answers, and didn’t do any of the involved parties any favors. And Kay has never been a fan of William in the past so he seems like an odd choice.
I also think the ‘no comment’ is the best response when faced with these questions because potentially anything they say will be interpreted either way.
I agree that that it wasn’t KP who spoke to Kay. I feel like this whole thing is being spread by a third party. They probably want Rose kicked out, Kate to look bad or both. I think they are behind the initial story and the denial.
@Ainsley the Kay story didn’t make Kate look bad at all. It praised her and really seems to have come from William, or someone from KP — or the Middletons. What motivation would any third party have for initiating that story? Occams Razor applies here.
@Ainsley7, Why would any Royal reporter (or anyone else for that matter) care one way or the other about Rose Cholmondeley?
The Kay story was gushing with sugary, comically over the top praise for both of the Cambridges. If not KP, who would have the incentive to push that narrative? And Kay might not have been a fan of William’s in the past but, as with all the RRs, he’s done a complete 180 since Meghan.
I want say only this: karma is real. So much for the Cambridges fan who keeping say that Harry and Meghan will divorce and now we have this. LMAO
Karma is real, for what though? It’s complete fantasy to think the Cambridges were behind any of the slander that the Sussex received. You may not like W&K, but we do not know them. To wish an affair on a couple with children, when you do not even know them, is just absolutely ridiculous. Both stans of these couples go way too far.
+1
Well said!
Complete fantasy that the Cambridges are giving stories to the press? Because they would NEVER do that…despite having done it for years. Give me a break.
And no one is “wishing” a divorce on them. What is karma is the fact that a specific narrative has been pushed about Meghan and Harry – and yes I completely believe it’s coming from the Cambridges. And now they are getting a taste of that nasty gossip themselves. At least this will die down after a week or two. Meghan will have to contend with the narrative that has been pushed about her for years to come.
Yes, Karma is real.
IMO.
Most naive to think KP isn’t involved and paying very close attention to the Sussex ongoing smear campaign.
And if you believe in Karma gloating that it’s happening or hoping for it to catch up to someone is setting yourself up for your own karmic slap in the face.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the Cambridges were behind any of the slander though, except that people have a weird hatred towards W&K. No one outside of this website believes that this is the case. So yes, it is complete fabrication.
@Lolly, no the Cambridge’s aren’t necessarily behind the slander. But they’re also not lifting a finger to vehemently combat the slander. Not even William, who we all know is exceptionally trigger happy if he even gets a slightest whiff of the press printing something questionable or critical about him or the Cambridges or the Middletons (this whole Turnip Toff story is proof of that). He speaks volumes in his silence, even if that silence is potentially born of apathy and not malice.
@Lolly I have no idea if the Cambridges were behind the smears but it is completely untrue that only people on Celebitchy believe that. Have you been on Twitter? Many people said from the moment it started that the Cambridges felt threatened by the success of Harry and Meghan’s tour and that was exactly when the garbage thrown at Meghan kicked into high gear.
There have been RRs on twitter who’ve claimed that they pieces by KP (Andrews) or they’ve been told by KP that their racist / xenophobic press pieces against DoS are not the problem at all and that RRs are the real victims of bullying (Palmer), so no, it’s not 100% fantasy at all.
Also, as others have brought up, it’s a bad look that William or peeps at KP have been quick to try to squash this story while they have continued to let DoS being a victim.
I hope all the people upset about small kids being involved now keep this same energy after Baby Sussex is born and the press still attacks DoS.
For real, karma works. The antidote “talk sh*t, get hit” applies here. Don’t know what the Cambridge’s did or didn’t do or say, but for the team Cam people who were so gleefully embracing the anti-Meghan rhetoric, the schadenfreude is on the other foot, so to speak. Harry and Meg are loves young dream and we’ll see what becomes of the future sovereigns. I imagine some extra displays will be necessary.
Why would a food critic not in that circle know about a private affair? Just so weird.
His tweet makes it sound like it’s a well-known affair. If this story has been floating for a while now, like someone said above, and the affair has been happening for even longer, then I could see that the gossip would trickle through to those outside the immediate Norfolk set.
@Eliza Coren knows EVERYONE. He’s certainly everyone adjacent, due to his Oxbridge background: most of us who went there who were not of the aristocracy were regularly dumbfounded by the sheer insularity/stupidity/lazy assumptions of superiority emanating from sets of berks who had known each other from infancy (sample conversation: “All right, Johnno? [Or Hugo, Ali, or the charming tendency to take someone’s surname and add an ‘ers’ to it – Cobb becoming Cobbers etc]. Response: “mate.” “Going to Hanber’s do later?” “Could do, mate. Any totty?” “Sure thing, Bro” [because they try to do ghetto/working class speech, which sounds very strange with twelve added dipthongs]. “Got the polo girls coming – prime Blue Tacks [Girls who latched on to Varsity sportsmen]. Bring a bottle or four.” A final “mate”, a deeply uncomfortable attempt at a Fresh Prince handshake, and off Cobbers trots to try to understand what his lecturer means over an excruciating of 45 minutes and resigns himself to the inevitable lower second/third: shouldn’t matter, given that he has a future as some sort of executive-who-hangs-out-at-Boujis and returns to the country acres at the weekends, dutiful boot faced wife – who has probably dated 2/3rds of his friends, such circles being intensely incestuous – in tow. Being only upper middle, and the child of very bookish parents, I no more fit into such a vacuous lifestyle (save for attending a couple of sportsmen’s dos, being a member of various athletic clubs and dating a few Blues) than an elephant riding a velocipede (nor had any desire to) – but such circles make such noise/nuisance of themselves, and must always be in the limelight, that if I opened the back pages of Tatler at any point in the years after I graduated from either degree I’d unerringly be able to point out not only the identity of half the individuals, but whom they’d slept with and their shadier exploits. I could spill a lot of tea, but can’t currently afford a libel suit.
Coren, who attended Oxford, has hung out with the literati and glitterati for decades and is a journalist (ergo skeleton-in-closet sniffer-outer) would certainly be in the know.
Interesting
I’d watch this reality show. “The Real Jerkoffs of Turnip Toff”
I enjoyed hearing your insight. Ugh, I can just hear the stupid back and forth, with a “bro” thrown in to be “cool”. Ha
FYI–this description also fits the writers and editors of the Tatler to a T. Spoiled, aristocratic and aristo-adjacent ilk who mine the dinner table gossip at weekend getaways to drafty country mansions with no central heating or hot water, where they feed you the previous night’s cut off crusts for the next morning’s breakfast because they want to “cut down on costs” (seriously) and skimp on towels, expect you to pack 30 different outfits because you have to change every half an hour for a different event, and then snub you because you sent them a thank you card where the gold margins are 0.45″ and not 0.5″ like the Debrett’s accepted standard.
That sounds sooooo pleasant. ;-/
Some of the cheapest people I know are also the wealthiest.
@JadedBrit, please spill the tea! You’re anonymous here on CB, no worries about libel suits 🙂
This is brilliant. And all I can think, as a fellow Southern Californian, is omg, Meghan-how are you surviving all of this??
@Lorelei The closest I can get to tea spilling – given that the Internet does not protect anonymity – is a little example: that Barbara Hepworth could never have imagined the use to which her statue would be put by a burly rugby player and his paramour after a Bop…
@Jadedbrit This description is amazing, you really have a way with words. You cracked me up.
Fabulous JadedBrit….
It’s possible that this Giles person might have heard the gossip especially if he works in the media & moves in certain circles, but it’s important to also add that this doesn’t make the rumor true. It doesn’t take much for gossip to spread and at the end of the day only William & this other woman would know the truth & not this Giles guy.
Well this is a reasonable point too lol. Giles coren hearing the rumor is different than the rumor being true.
It’s Giles Coren, not Giles person nor Giles guy.
The “upper class society” bubble here in England is really tiny, and everyone knows everyone. And it does to a large degree revolve around London, regardless of where individuals are based. I grew up on the fringes of that group and everyone always knew what gossip was going on with everyone else, including royals.
Giles is part of that set so yes it’s believable that he’d know all the gossip. And supposedly this is an open secret.
Do you know how long it has supposedly going on? I wonder if it has been a year, or two?
If it is an affair, loads of people probably know about it but at this stage nobody dare publish.
I take issue with KP threatening to sue over stories about Kate falling out with Turnip Rose but doing nothing with all the stories about Meghan and Kate fueding.
The difference it seems is that the gossip concerning Meghan made Kate look good. It’s only when the Cambridges look bad does KP take action. This makes it obvious why Meghan and Harry are getting the hell out of Kensington. They really have no advocates there.
One could argue it was the private citizen of much more wealth and privilege who was threatening to sue (as the official message was the two men were looking into it and decided not to).
This would make sense in theory, but why threaten to sue over a story that someone is being vaguely mean to your wife and there was a “falling out”? Again it makes me think that there is something more there, and neither party wants it to be made public.
Agreed Becks1. There was literally nothing in those initial pieces worth suing. Richard Kay even admitted as much in his now infamous article. Tom Sykes brought up the excellent point in covering this little saga: why would the Cambridges want to pursue legal action against a story with virtually no info vs the numerous detailed stories about feuds with Meghan?
agree with all of this.
I completely agree. It’s quite clear the KP staff have never and will never have Meghan or Harry’s best interests as a priority or even equal to the Cambs, even though they supposedly worked for both couples.
I am soooo glad the Sussexes are getting the hell out of there. I can’t wait to see how things are different at BP. When does Sara Latham start, do we know? Can’t be soon enough for me!!
KP hasn’t said one word about it. Not one.
Richard Kay claimed the ladies involved threatened to sue, then his next sentnce in his articles basically backs off of that.
KP never threatened anything and has not said one word.
Richard Kay article is odd if anything, we don’t know where it comes from, but it is not an official word from KP.
KP hasn’t said one word about it. Not one.
Richard Kay claimed the ladies involved threatened to sue, then his next sentnce in his articles basically backs off of that.
KP never threatened anything and has not said one word.
Richard Kay article is odd if anything, we don’t know where it comes from, but it is not an official word from KP.
of course Richard Kay’s article isn’t the official word from KP. No one is saying it is. I think most of us think that it was William (or a friend of William) who went to Kay because KP did not want to put out an official statement beyond “no comment.”
Honestly the main reason I think it was William is because the Richard Kay article IS so odd and over the top, and I can see William thinking “I know how to handle this! I am a PR genius!” and then just making the situation so much worse.
Becks, I agree, William has to be the source of the Richard Kay article. There are way too many odd pieces, the flow isn’t smooth or polished. It seems to have specific bits hammered into it.
@Becks and @Sharon, ITA. The only person with any motivation to have that Kay article published — especially considering the details included and the way it was written — is William.
He’s branded himself as the potential mediator of the dispute in the Kay article, of course it comes from him. Who other than William himself would think he has the ability to resolve a dispute between two women?
The difference *is* the private citizen. The Royal family is considered public property and only on rare occaisions do they / can they run around threatening their public for being interested in them. When they do, it is because they have decided that the public’s interest has crossed some line that only they know exist – else it is never complain, never explain.
Giles Coren isn’t revealing an affair. This is his brand of humour – tempest in a teapot? Obvs there’s an affair, dahling. *Everyone* is talking about it. What, Hadn’t you heard? Oops. Clearly you’re not in the right set. Awks!
There may be an affair, there may not be. But Giles’ disclosure was to mock those getting exercised about the falling out of two society ladies, not to share society dirt.
“A joke is a very serious thing….”
Churchill
I don’t see it was a joke though.
He is a journalist and has been filming series or tv specials at these posh estates for years. Friendships may have formed or been even more cemented from his Eton days.
Anyway, People will read it how they want, in the end.
Speaking of jokes, Mary had a little lamb, her doctor had a cow.
Interesting how KP never protected the Hubb Community Kitchen women after they were smeared as terrorists on the front cover of a national newspaper but somehow a royal possibly falling out with a privileged, rich aristocrat warrant action.
+1 I have no respect for KP.
As I said to someone else on one of yesterday’s posts, Giles’ comment seemed iffy to me. The delivery seemed like he was joking or looking for attention. But there was a tweet from Sophia Money-Coutts, the writer whose story everyone was tweeting about in that thread. She said she couldn’t spell it out further in response to Hadley, who then begged for a DM (along with a few others). That tweet is what’s raising red flags to me.
There was nothing iffy about his response , IMO.
Looks like a definate statement.
Yes, the statement was definite, but it was the *tone* of it that I considered iffy. It reads rather flippantly. Seeing some of the other comments elaborate on his connections and potential knowledge of this group’s skeletons, maybe he does know something and felt like airing it out directly. I’m still a bit wary of his tweet either way.
His use of ‘darling’ in the tweet gives the impression that it was more tongue- and- cheek rather than serious IMO. Also if Giles Coren’ really is connected to the upper class/ royal adjacent why would he ‘out’ himself as a blabber mouth who can’t keep secrets so publicly?. Fair enough if he does it anonymously but he gains nothing by doing it publicly. Those social circles are all about discretion.
+1
Unrelated but how is this Rose woman only 37? She needs a nap!
These aren’t flattering pics of her. She looks quite good in other ones I’ve seen on the net. She isn’t as into botox and fillers as others are either.
She’s 35 I think. She also needs a good leave-in conditioner. I can’t believe her hair looked so frazzled while hosting such a high profile event.
she lost her chin in a crap game
They both look at least 45.
Yeah, they look way older than they are. Starving yourself ages you terribly
sigh…in the era of Instagram, photo shopping, etc…people no longer know how to tell someone reals age. She looks her age and is very thin. Whch makes her look a bit older but she doens’t look 45.
Thank you. I despair what future generations will think of me. And I think I look pretty good for mid-30s. But not filter/Photoshop good.
Honestly…I don’t understand how she was a model in any capacity. She has some high-fashion looks, but the weak aristocratic chin does absolutely nothing for her.
I agree. Being tall and thin with boobs isn’t enough to be a model.
She looks a lot like my sister and me. Like, other than being taller than us, she’d look totally natural in a group family photo. (We are also weak of chin, lol.) I was pretty surprised when I googled her and found out she’s several years younger than me. I’m 40, have not had plastic surgery, and don’t look that old in pictures yet (though I definitely look older than I’d like to).
I find nothing ages you more than being in a relationship with someone significantly older.
If someone was spreading rumors that I was sleeping with Willnot of Cambridge I would sue them- for not crediting me with having better taste. 😏
😂😂😂😂
LOL! Me too, Mego. Ugh.
lol
ME TOO!
LOL that’s only part of the story that gives me pause about these allegations. Why would SHE choose HIM??
No wonder Wills tried to block Harry’s happiness. Maybe he realizes that his marriage isn’t that great and misery loves company. What ever the case, where there is smoke, there is fire.
THere is another person stating the affair is a well known “secret.” Sarah something, I think. She stated “all will be revealed shortly” or something like that, and when someone asked what she meant she said the affair is well known in those parts (paraphrasing). I think she has also taken her tweets down but I saw screen grabs of them just this morning. I wish I had screen grabbed it or copied the link to the tweet. If I find it again I’ll DM the Celebitchy twitter.
I believe the affair is true. William has a history of cheating and Kate has a history of looking the other way. I would also assume the marchioness’s husband is also cheating and that’s why he doesn’t care and she wouldn’t really be risking anything if her husband is also having an affair. I mean isn’t it common knowledge that this turnip toff set all sleep around? It reminds me of Charles and Camilla where Andrew P-B didn’t care about Camilla’s affair because he also had a mistress.
The story about Rose and her husband is a funny one. He was apparently known for jumping from woman to woman before marrying her. He got with Rose for a bit… and then they announced their engagement, announced she was pregnant, and got married all within one week. Apparently her sister Marina is also married to her ex-fiancé’s father. The aristocratic set is certainly something else.
I also read she was originally engaged to his son…is that right?!
Jeanne – I just searched my twitter TL and can’t find it. I’ll keep looking though and post if I see it again.
Yeah, I read that Rose was engaged to her brother in law’s son and Marina lived with the son for a while. That’s how Marina met his father and got engaged to him in the span of about 3 months. Anyone else would be openly called all sorts of names but I guess this is nothing because nobility is involved.
ahh! if you find the link let us know. i would love to see that
check it!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1259487/Marina-Hanbury-announces-engagement-Earl-Durham.html
It’s been pulled down!
The link is still there. Marina’s face is better than Rose’s, at least from this camera angle, but the boob sag is serious for someone that young. Yikes, wear a bra.
The aristo set is so incestuous. This does have some Camilla and ABP vibes(or Dale Kanga vibes) but I’m not sure that Normal Bill would cheat so close to home. I mean I believe he and Kate probably have some understanding re:fidelity but this seems like a terrible idea. I mean a possible affair with someone she is friends with?
I like the theory that she may have been talking about a few things or possibly playing go-between for Normal Bill and someone else.
It would be a really bad idea, but Normal Bill is a rather arrogant type.
Who else would Normal Bill conceivably cheat with? All infidelity in royal and aristocratic circles is, usually, close to home. Or facilitated by those closest to home. If William did cheat, then I can’t imagine that Kate didn’t know the writing on the wall tbh. She’s spent her whole life trying to swan around in these circles, so she has to have an inkling of how they operate.
That’s the thing, right? These incredibly privileged people are disconnected from the real world, what us peasants experience. They exist in their own bizarre space with strange social mores and rules. Culturally speaking, cheating doesn’t really seem to be a problem and might not even be considered “cheating.”
I think we all need to come to the realization that Meghan will not be protected like the other family members. She is there simply because Harry wants her there. The family does not want to lose Harry, so they put up with Meghan.
Also, rich and powerful people have affairs all the time. There is no such thing as the “perfect” couple. Many of politicians, royals, aristocrats, and celebrities have jeopardized their careers, families, and finances for sex.
I find no joy in William possibly having an affair because we all know who is going to get thrown under the bus to cover up these allegations.
Harry without a doubt is meghans biggest ally in that family. Hes definitely showed hes a great man for being there for his wife. However, meghans shown shes not the shy thing of royal wives in the past. If things ever go south meghans got a great support system of friends and connections.
Meanwhile Harry and Meghan are probably curled up in PJs eating cheese toasties together gawping at all this nonsense.
Awwwww, I so hope so!
I hope so too. I pray they are living unbothered in their love bubble and enjoying this special time in their lives.
I hope so but I have a feeling that Harry (more than Meghan) actually pays attention to the nonsense and is well aware of the Tatler article. I hope Meghan’s convinced him to give all that up but he seems like the type to want to know everything that’s been going on so he can protect his family.
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@Missys I would agree if the Cambridges and Sussexes were going to stay under the same comms team at KP. But I think once Sara Latham enters the picture, things will be different. (Hopefully.)
William will certainly try to throw them under the bus as usual to distract from his own BS, but they will now have a dedicated team advocating only for them. Fingers crossed that any bus-throwing by W&K gets thwarted going forward.
Kay and the dm made this bigger. No one cared if kate had a tiff with another woman. It’s not the first time we’ve heard about this but KP came out swinging. Every blue check on Twitter has deleted anything about cheating. And right on schedule hear comes the RR trashing Meghan. Its turned from nothing into something. I wouldnt be surprised if baby num 4 will be announced this year. This is just like those ski pictures from a while back with William then surprise kate was pregnant.
Perhaps a child is the payback Kate charges when William gets caught having another affair?
This is a joke, by the way.
@Guest, this is another reason that points to William being the source for Kay’s article. He thinks he’s masterful at PR when in reality this made things so much worse. Apparently William is not familiar with the Streisand Effect.
I read a comment once that William has all of Diana’s impulses/emotions but none of her skill.
Marchioness of whatever. Is that really a title? Is it something she gets paid for? Does it give her some kind of authority? I bet it’s not an elected position. What a life
her husband is a marquess. It’s a fairly high rank, below a duke. It’s inherited. I don’t think she gets paid for it per se, but her husband is worth a lot of money.
Thanks!
Her husband is also the Lord Great Chamberlain, an actual official government role. This family is elite.
I know it’s probably just his resting face but William always looks so insufferably smug. I would never approach him for fear of being spat on.
What’s up with all the racist asshats in England like giles coren and piers Morgan?
@Kara You do like bashing the English, don’t you?
I do indeed. As I bash most other countries. But the British have the added bonus of having sticks up their asses about everything.
Yes, just like ALL Americans are obese gun-toting Trump supporters. /rolls eyes/
@Kara Reducing ca. 70m people to a stereotype – one hopes that you’re trolling, as malice would be preferable to propagandism.
There are plenty of racist asshats everywhere. The US is notable for having one in the White House.
hey, it’s not just England with the racist asshats…….United States has them in spades….they are everywhere, not just here or there…they are here, there and everywhere
sorry this was in relation to the very last post……
What’s with all the racist asshats in ‘Murica? Especially the murderous ones who shoot dozens of innocent people?
I’m not denying that there are racist asshats in America, but I think we can agree that the racist asshats in America aren’t of the Piers Morgan and the Giles Coran variety? They’re just a different breed, surely, and they’re unique to Britain, in the same way American racists are unique to America. I don’t think that’s stereotyping, that’s just an observation.
Streisand effect. Such a weird thing to tantrum over. Who cares that Kate’s no longer friends with some random woman she used to be neighbours with? I didn’t keep in touch with any of my neighbours when I moved.
Looking at her husband and his age, I can see why she would have a wandering eye but William????!! Surely there must be a few more attractive prospects in her social circle?
As for William, how is this woman an upgrade from Kate? Also, with 3 kids to consider, is he really going to venture down the same path as his parents?
I don’t understand why people think children are ever a consideration when someone decides to cheat. Heck, I knew a person whose father had a whole separate family that he hid for fourteen years in a different city. For their whole lives, this person, their mom and their siblings thought they were one happy family until it all fell apart, quite literally overnight. People who want to cheat, will cheat. The rest is just commentary.
@Claire cheating is not about “upgrading” from one’s spouse. Looks rarely have anything to do with it. FWIW I agree Kate is prettier than Rose, but the reasons William would cheat are much more complicated.
To your first question: Charles cheated on Diana with Camilla.*
To your second question: Charles cheated on Diana with Camilla. Diana cheated on Charles with [insert # of men]. Camilla cheated on her husband with Charles.
*No offense meant to Camilla, who I actually think is quite pretty. But Diana was gorgeous.
@MA, you forgot: “Andrew Parker-Bowles cheated on Camilla with [insert # of women]”
Oh Kate. I feel so bad for her. She’s so solid, so dependable, so consistent. She is a good mother. I think she’s beautiful. It goes to show cheating is never about you- it’s always about the boundaries of the person doing the cheating. I also think it’s emotional abuse. My heart goes out to her.
Honestly, if he is screwing around on her, I feel very sorry for her too. She clearly wears her heart on her sleeve and rarely is it reciprocated by the arrogant douche she married.
I feel sorry for Kate too. Not so much because of the affair per se, because I think she knew exactly what she was getting into when she married William. But she expected him to be discreet. The fact that it has become public (IF it is even true) has got to be so humiliating for her.
Dear ****, how do you know who is cheating?
Cheating is not about dependability, consistency, beauty or parenting.
Right. No one thought lovely Diana was cheating, but she was. Why do we assume Kate would never cheat?
I’d like to see more pictures of Roses husband. He seems handsome and distinguished. And older, just my type…
We all know that if this was a story about Harry possibly having affair people on here would be sure it happen. There were people on here claiming that Harry went to Africa where his ex lived earlier in his marriage and he had a affair people were spreading rumors around as gospel. But the moment there a kink in the armor of the mostly perfect future queen and king all hell breaks loose. We all know that if this was about Harry and Meghan half the people complaining about mischief gossip and hurting the kids would be loving this right now because it’s Harry and Meghan . I think it’s ridiculously that people are gleefully wishing for Meghan and Harry union to broke up within 5years but the moment you say something remotely negative about precious Kate it’s threatened of lawsuits. The moment something is reported about Kate the immediate actions taken but Meghan has been getting attack daily throughout her pregnancy and not a peep from the Kensington palace where all the people who saying Meghan is out line for getting her friends to defend her and the royals are never to complain and explaining anything . Here William complaining and explaining and threatened lawsuits to protect his image to defend his name but when Meghan and Harry does it it’s oh so wrong .
**scratches head** 😕
best post of today
Well said Vanessa.
This reminds me of something. There’s a tinhat campaign to have someone seduce Harry so that he’ll cheat on Meghan.
Yes, Kate’s “perfect” hair was threatened when shots of her extension clips made the papers and suddenly we had a news release about a mysterious operation and a “scar” shaped like a hair extension clip. We can all see what’s a priority here.
I hope for the people involved, especially the families and the children, the affair is not true and dies a quick death. On a gossip standpoint, it would be much more interesting if the fallout between Kate and Rose was all about being the big turnip in the toff. If the denials have any ring of truth, it’s that the women were friendly, but not close. I could see them circling each other, fake laughing, cheek kiss greetings, all the while, figuring out the best way to subtly one up each other. I like women who mentor each other, and female friendships, I would die without my small group of coworkers at work, and cat fights over men are boring and sexist. But I don’t think all women have to be friends and lift each other up. And a snooty rivalry is so much more fun when it’s not sexualized, when it’s a turf war in the upper class, I think it’s great gossip. Who’s going to throw the best charity brunch, who’s hat will be biggest, is Rose going to sponsor her OWN garden to compete with Kate’s?!
I get the point you are trying to make. But why would Kate’s husband (and supposedly Rose’s husband) get so upset over something like that and threaten to sue? That is what caused the story to escalate. And what always struck me as odd is the way the story went out of the way to distance the Cambridges instead of saying “of course there’s nothing, Rose is a delightful charming person , etc…..” .
I don’t think there’s anything more than rumor and aristocrats trying to one up each other, but I have one question, why is Coren a racist?I haven’t read or heard anything from this guy until today, so if you have anything, I’d like to learn more, thanks!
Exhibits A-C, your honour:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/giles-coren-reviews-kaki-london-n1-6n67ghr9f
https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/1046399439642996739?lang=en
https://www.indy100.com/article/giles-coren-twitter-alternative-account-pavel-pilnik-jonathan-nunn-wife-antisemitism-8703366
Here’s a whole thread of him “joking” about rape and also being ableist and racist: https://mobile.twitter.com/demarionunn/status/1046399439642996739?lang=en
I don’t think there was an affair between rose and will. I’m just not getting the vibes. My personal opinion, will would pick someone he could control who wasn’t in his circle. Also, there are a million reasons rose and Kate could be having this falling out!!
Actually he picks women from his circles because they are taught not to run to the media about it.
Exactly. He needs someone from that culture of discreet sleeping around.
William is his fathers son who is making the same mistakes father did. William did not marry because he really wanted to, he married as it was expected of him. His family and friends all expressed surprise when he did as we all know how much of a party boy he is.
As I said yesterday he’s not having an affair with Rose, it’s someone else. Either she knows who it is/is a go between or she gossiped to the wrong person.
Once William finds his Camilla, Kate and the Mids r history. They (Kate and the Mids) only react to stories like this if they feel it’s serious beyond a shag here and there.
I’ve always believed this. If you marry for complacency and duty, whenever you find real love in someone else, then all bets are off. He consistently cheated on her during their 20s and Kate kept rooted in place. Sex and love are 2 very different things.
He screamed on a bar after dumping Kate in 2007 “I’m free”. I can’t imagine marrying and procreating with such a man after that, but I guess some are so in love, they are able to look past things.
@Andrea – Ugh, gross. He’s so gross.
@Digital Unicorn, this is the only scenario that makes me so sad for Kate. Because I believe you’re right. I’m not a big fan of the Cambridges but after all they’ve been through together, Kate does not deserve that.
I believe she would tolerate cheating to keep her position/status/etc., but I also believe she truly loves William and would be completely devastated if he fell in love with someone else.
Am no Katie Keen fan either but yes she does not deserve to be treated like this and neither she or her family deserved the terrible treatment William dished out to them during the Waity years when he his indiscretions were well known in the tabloids.
And yes I believe she is in love with him but he is not in love with her – i think he loves her but is not ‘in’ love with her.
If it’s true l feel sorry for her too but that is what often happens when you act too eager and make yourself a doormat.
Digital. Another very common pattern is for kids to so the opposite of what they think their parents did. If Charlea failed aa a husband and father then Will may be determined to do both better.
But just like Charles, William also did not marry a woman that he really wanted to marry.
I will go one step further and say William never found someone he truly loved.
Hmm. Maybe this betrays the reading I’ve been doing recently, but…how do we know that all of these Turnip Toffs haven’t been engaging in the tried and tested aristocratic tradition of “wife-swapping” as it were? I don’t know if Will and Kate’s image would contend such a notion, but from what I’ve gathered about the Turnip Toff set, and Rose Hanbury especially, it doesn’t feel entirely too far off the mark, at least on the Cholmondeley’s end. Both of them seem to be that bohemian variety, and at least one article I read went on about Rose’s “unconventional” upbringing and how her “parents were more her friends than her parents” and how she’s always rubbed shoulders with “interesting” people, and that’s why she gets on so well with her husband who dated a whole string of glamorous women before he settled down with Rose etc. etc. etc.
I just want to be really clear that this is all just me speculating though, but can you just imagine if what really went down was that one of them ran the idea past W&K, and they just booked it out of there faster than you could say “threesome”?
LOL! I like this theory. Except who knows, maybe W&K are just as freaky?
Ok so putting aside whether or not Rose and Will bumped, do y’all think Will has cheated on Kate at any point in their marriage?
My gut says yes, because it’s still something that they get a subtle message about (that it’s ok) and that their wives get the message that they should turn a blind eye.
But still. Yes? Or no?
I think no. I think William certainly wants to, and Kate certainly doesn’t care if he does so long as he doesn’t bring that stuff home and it doesn’t get out and embarrass her (like it’s doing right now). But I can’t see any woman wanting to have an affair with William. He seems like someone who’s painfully boring in every capacity (and I mean EVERY capacity).
My gut says yes, too. BUT, I don’t think Wills is a prolific cheater. I think he’s a cheater who cheats if there is an opportunity to do so. I bet mostly on his “away” trips.
There were stories he was bringing women to the RAF barracks while Kate was at home in Wales. So yes, I think he has and will continue to do so when the opportunity arises. I don’t think he has long term affairs though.
My gut says without a doubt, yes.
I just think that if you’re raised as a future Prince of Wales, there are different rules and privileges afforded to you. You’re raised to believe that you’re the most elite and most important person in the country. For hundreds of years, there’s been a tradition of kings having mistresses. I don’t see how William would have different expectations or be any less entitled than his predecessors. I don’t think it’s even considered “wrong” in their world. It’s just how he was raised and what he’s been surrounded by.
Hmmm…in light of W’s reputation for pettiness, my first thought was that when the tiff rumor emerged, he decided to break tradition with his OTT denial as a not so passive-aggressive way of letting his younger brother (and the world) know for whom he IS willing to go to bat. Feud between K and M? Silence. Feud between K and Who? OTT denial. And then, much to his clueless surprise, it backfired, and now he’s in crosshairs of his own making. If rumors over the years are true, this doesn’t seem terribly out of character for W. But like all the rest, just one possible theory.
Then William must be stupid AF to go about it this way. If you wanted to squash this beef just say the Chol-whatever’s are wonderful neighbors and we always enjoy their company and leave it at that, not “we barely know these people” and “Legal action!” . It reminds me of Trump and his “I barely know him, he’s a coffee -boy!” denials.
MsIam, you are so correct. To say “we barely know these people” just smells like an out-right falsehood.
An affair with William? Surely things can’t be as bad as that!
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*Leaning my head back through the mists of time* During the Nixon administration, portly, bespectacled but not in an ironic, hipster way, ugly Henry Kissinger used to date women like Marlo Thomas and Jill St. John. “Power is an aphrodisiac” or some such thing he claimed. He also compared himself to the lone cowboy riding into town ready to take on the bad hombres. Such a dick swinger facist.
I also remember a tea spilling article in People magazine (back when it wasn’t known as Kneepads) about reporters catching Princess Michael in a red wig leaving an apartment with one of those Texas Hunt millionaires. She next appeared at Wimbledom with her husband and appeared quite affectionate with him. Her father was SS/Nazi, yes? Not surprising she would have a rendezvous with someone from that far right wing Hunt family.
There is probably little “risk” to William or Rose regarding their respective marriages if they are having an affair.
Many aristocratic men would be fine if their spouse has an affair with the future King of England. See: Andrew Parker Bowles.
Many women would be… if not “fine”, then at least resigned to the idea of their husband having an affair as long as they themselves remain in line to become Queen.
The above is why I question whether this story is true or not. Not because Kate would be happy to know that William was having an affair; but because she’d find a way to discretely live with it if he was.
One doesn’t wait on the sidelines, humiliated, for years and years, to become the wife of the future King, just to throw it all away because he’s having an affair.
Oh I believe where there’s smoke there’s fire. I absolutely believe W&K want to give off this vibe of the perfect family but who knows what lurks underneath the facade. Nobody’s perfect. Nobody. And kids or no kids, history is replete with royal indiscretions. Charles, the Duke of Edinburgh, kings of Spain and Sweden to name some recent ones.
Kate i am sure would want to secure her position and turn a blind eye once he is discrete, but once the whispers got out it forced her hand to action.
Meghan does not fit into those social circles nor does she desire. As a result she is always going to get treated badly. You either play the game or you are the game.
Luckily for Meghan though, she has a bonafide support system of friends, who although aren’t part of the artisto set, are wealthy and connected in their own right. I think the People magazine was a return of volley of shots aimed right at the people who tried to undercut Meghan. Almost a subtle warning, of “You don’t own this game.” If those posh toffs don’t think people in H’wood can be conniving, manipulative, and downright hard ball players, they are in for a surprise. To make it to the top of the food chain in H’wood, you have to be tough, resilient and ruthless. For sure, I bet they thought they would have crushed Meghan by now, to be a quiet little mouse in the background willingly taking their cruel potshots whenever they please. To have her push back in a formidable way, probably shocked the sh** out of them.
So true Fluffy. She did not earn the name Tungsten for nothing.
I heard a theory that the Richard Kay piece came from the Cholmondeley family and that he has some connection to them since he broke the news of Rose’s pregnancy. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195057/Thunderbirds-NOT-ITV-reject-relaunch-plan.html) He’s always been so critical of William that I’m not sure William would have run to him first for a denial (unless he asked his father, who is also related to the marquess, to be a go-between). It’s pretty clear that that article was meant to be a warning to the media to not print the actual gossip if they wanted to avoid being sued.
I’m sure William is capable of cheating and has, but I’m still not 100% convinced that’s what’s actually happened in this particular situation. Maybe there’s proof out there one way or another, but right now it does just seem like gossip people have accept as fact and passed around. I think Kate has an engagement tomorrow so it should be interesting to see if the rumors pick up again, or if they’ve been squashed in the press. Per Lainey, it seems like everyone is running around Norfolk trying to get details.
Which story are you referring to, the feud story or the rebuttal? Because if the Cholmondely family was the source then why talk Kate up and not Rose? Isn’t she a “wonderful wife and mother” too? Plus why would they throw in the Meg/Harry dig at the end? Who does that serve besides Will & Kate? I think this story came from Carole Middleton with shady Will’s blessing. And probably shady Katie’s blessing too.
The “Kate has never put a foot wrong and is enthusiastic for her work” comments by Kay scream Carole Middleton more than William actually.
@Lexa: “unless he asked his father, who is also related to the marquess”. How is Charles related to the Marquess of Cholmondely???
On the whole, royal life to me seems pretty dull. You make your appearances and are told how to dress and act, etc. I could see (not an excuse) but being how confining it is that cheating or an affair would add some excitement. I’m sure it’s quite rampant in those circles.
William looks like he hates her. He always looks so uneasy and awkward. It’s so ridiculous.
Hates who? Kate or Rose?
If the cheating is true how does Kate come out fine in this? The affair will get out in this day and age. As the aggrevied party Kate will be dragged for not leaving him and throwing her self respect out the door for a title. And William can still dump Kate: as I said previously the Cambridge kids secure the succession and a divorce will not cost him the throne. Will’s dad is the precedent.
I think it’s obvious Kate will suffer anything to be married to Will and a future Queen. And I doubt William would ever leave Kate. He’s been raised from birth to protect the Crown and avoid scandal, and he’s seen the damage divorce does to kids. Whatever their marriage is like he’s got the perfect royal Consort in Kate – she pops out kids, raises them, smiles on demand and looks the other way when he cheats.
No way is he going to throw all that over in order to… what? Ask a woman far wealthier and more privileged than him to divorce her husband and abandon her ultra-luxurious cossetted life of wealth and privacy to spend the rest of her life in a goldfish bowl opening leisure centres in Basingstoke? Break up her own family and probably lose custody of her own kids in order to become the most hated woman in Britain, and stepmother/Other Woman to three small children? And that’s assuming he actually loves her and it’s not just a meaningless affair.
You can’t compare to Charles and Camilla because 1) Diana was vengeful and exposed the affair (I don’t think Kate would ever do that) and 2) Charles and Camilla wanted to be together. As long as all three keep their mouths shut, and they have no motivation to do otherwise, no one will ever really know no matter what gossip leaks. And no one would blame a young mother of three in line to be Queen for overlooking a rumoured affair.
I think the most hated woman in the UK is a bit much – the Brits really couldn’t care less about if William and Kate divorced. She is NOT Diana and never ever will be – if they divorced most of the UK would not raise an eyebrow, the rest of the world would probably.
Never. Kate is the perfect, unflappable British Rose who would just be showing how strong she is to stand by her man for sake of children, king and country. She would be by and large applauded for wanting to remain committed to her marriage.
Let us remember that Diana was originally considered to be a mouse, and then became the mouse that roared. In order to bag William l think that Kate suppressed her true personality to prove to the RF that she was not going to be another Diana , we still do not know the real Kate, and there is nothing to say that one day we will be not be in for a real surprise.
It’s not wholly uncommon in royalty for royal women to suffer through their husbands’ various infidelities. For a very long time, people did see royalty as a responsibility. You don’t marry for love, you marry the one who you think will fit the job well. The extent to which consorts who married in performed their duties (giving birth to an heir and a spare, being a visible figurehead of the monarchy for their subjects etc) has had a significant impact in a royal family’s longevity. The only exception to this in the BRF has been Diana, who did divorce Charles at the end.
Is this a mercenary view of things? Yeah. But royalty, no matter what people say here, IS a job. It’s a job not in the sense that you or I would work at one, but it’s one in the sense that there are people who would either be good at it, or people who are simply not cut out for it for various reasons. And I think Kate has more strengths in this than people realize. She struggles to connect to people, is awkward and halting and not really all that personable at first glance, and she’s lazy and not present–but she will endure. She will never go away. She will always be a dependable presence. And that endurance is what I think will erase most of the criticism that her and William face in the long run.
For naysayers, everyone forgets that this is the man who dumped Kate and jumped on a bar and declared “I am free!” afterwards. I don’t care they patched things up, they were young etc, that tidbit will forever haunt me and is telling of their relationship in general. I think Normal Bill wants a bit of spice and excitement especially after seeing Meghan and Harry.
When I first saw this story it made me wonder if THIS is what/why all the Meghan stories have been otp in the past few months. I’m not discounting the other “reasons” but the voracity of them in the past few months could easily cover up this.
A wag the dog, throw Harry and Meghan under the bus to distract kind of thing.
Yeah, this story has apparently been brewing for a while now and only just now surfacing. People have been thinking something’s up since the Oceania tour. When you look at the level of vitriol Meghan’s been experiencing when she’s done nothing but exist, it’s shocking.
I still think it’s all about chutney.
But, if not, and there ARE extra-marital shenanigans going down Turnip Toff way, then I want chapter and verse of them, in every gory detail.
As a UK tax payer who helps fund the outrageously pampered existence of one of the alleged ‘strayers’, I feel I have every right to demand (entertainment) value for my hard-earned money.
Here’s why this whole story does not add up to me: Rose Hanbury and David Rocksavage, Marquess of Cholmondely are very much part of the IT Media, Film, Music and Fashion Industry crowds. The Marquess of Cholmondely and his wife are NOT boring people. Bill & Cathy Cambridge are as dull as dishwater. If Rose is out frolicking without her husband, I am sure and will bet my last dollar that she IS NOT rolling-in-the-hay will Bill Cambridge. The Duke of Richmond or Marquess of Bute well yes…maybe but NOT Bill Cambridge.
I think Carole Middleton is behind the DM Kay article. Her business is being scrutinized and now Catherine marriage maybe on the rocks? Imagine her fear that her dreams of aristocracy and a title when William becomes king going up in smoke! The fact that Charles and Camilla were lovers involved in an illicit extramarital affair on the brink of becoming King and Queen has got to scare Middleton. What if Rose and William are having an affair? What if he wants her? Its not like the Monarchy will implode. It just mean that there could be a queen Rose instead of a Queen Catherine! There is a precedent after all. If this is true, all the Meghan bashing makes sense. DEFLECT attention from the scandal and try to fix it before it blows up your face!
I think there’s more chance of Lupo being crowned King than there is of this random rumoured mistress becoming Queen. Rose has a lifestyle far wealthier and more privileged than Kate, and she has complete freedom and privacy. You’d have to be completely insane to give all that up (plus give up her own children) to become the most hated woman in Britain, stepmother to three young kids who hate you, and spend the rest of your life with zero privacy or freedom being forced to do boring ‘royal work’ for a public and press who loathe you.
And that’s assuming that Will is so madly head over heels in love with her that he’d cause a massive scandal, upset the Queen, devastate his children, and ruin his own reputation just to marry her (why would he want to marry her, if he’s already shagging her?).
I doubt Carole is behind this, she’s far too media savvy to alert attention that a dull “aristos falling out” story is a cover for something more juicy.
No way is the marriage on the rocks. This is the moment the Queen, Charles and William are planning the transition. William has respect for the monarchy, it was drummed into him. He wouldn’t do a thing to jeopardize the transition and that means not jeopardizing Kate.
But one does wonder what worries those dark circles under her eyes reflect.
Uh, William has been plenty disrespectful of the monarchy. He’s always loved the perks but not the work.
And her weight loss.
I agree, I think it’s Carole too. I think she would do anything to protect Kate’s image.
Hmmm… she reminds me of Jecca Craig…William has a certain “type” …
Was it Jecca Craig or Isabella Branson who was supposed to be the love of Bill Cambridge’s life?
Jecca—she very much has a similar look to Jecca Craig.
If Isabella had shown real interest she would today be the Duchess of Cambridge.
Poor Kate is full of insecurities when it comes to William…and now she has comparisons with Wonder Woman Meghan.
I used to enjoy this site and comment section. Now it very obviously has become a team or squad type place where you’re on a “side” and automatically against the other so-called side. Not just in the comments but also in the articles. It’s getting sad, celebitchy used to be fun. Now it feels mean and negative, even when you’re all defending someone, it’s defense by offense. Oh well, Go ahead and rip me. Bye.
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I completely agree. This site is what got me interested in the royals in the first place but the way it is now, you’re only welcome if you’re on the “right side”.
I have read through the comments here and there seems be a lot of empathy with Kate.
Notice they post this on this particular post and not the one about Meghan when she gets bashed? Nice try at pretending to play neutral. And if they had read most of the comments the large majority is bashing William for possibly cheating on Kate.
@PrincessK that’s exactly what I was going to say. No this site isn’t particularly pro-Kate in general, but I think the comments about this story seem balanced — fair and sympathetic toward Kate, even from people who aren’t huge fans of hers. I’m not sure why OP finds it so vitriolic.
Exactly. I’m no Kate stan and she knew what she was getting herself into, but that doesn’t make Billy’s infidelity right. A cad is a cad. Having your family upset like this takes a toll.
Is Rose’s husband wearing a rug? I’m checking out his picture at Vanity Fair.
No. He has very thick hair. Check out Cholmondeley’s picture on Wikipedia. Mr. Rocksavage-Cholmondeley Person was quite a dish 20 years ago.
I will never see William as a player. Every time he broke up with Kate and tried to be one, he came off nerdy and awkward then ran back to Kate. He’s a Cancer Sun Cancer Moon. These men are about family all the way.
I hope all the people upset about small kids being involved now keep this same energy after Baby Sussex is born and the press still attacks DoS.
You know they won’t.
Personally, I’d much rather sleep with Rose’s husband. Mr. R was and remains (to me) far more attractive & interesting than balding, uptight-looking William. So I say go for it, Kate. What’s good for the goose…
I agree! He looks like a suave older man!
Marquess of Cholmondely is a very interesting person who has actually done many interesting things other than running his two estates.
I completed my daily gossip rounds I start here, head out to Lainey, Pajiba, Jezebel, dlisted, finally Datalounge. The last is a gay forum site comprised of different topics/threads. One long thread is on British Royal Gossip that run to hundreds of comments then start over to the next batch of comments. When it first began it was interesting then segued into Meghan Markle hatred which I couldn’t stomach. Today I went to the BRG topic to see if there was anything Turnip Toff and only to read that Duchess Sussex is responsible for unveiling, revealing, instigating this whole mess and wait til William strikes back. The MM hatred is real, smh.
At bedtime I soothe myself at the animal site, The Dodo.
Ha ha. Me too. (Re bedtime Dodo.)
Yeah, l was going to say that the only thing we can be sure about is that if William has indeed been playing away, somehow a way will be found to blame poor nine month Meghan.
It’s already started. Somebody here posted a couple of times that the reporter Giles is friends with some guy who was at a party that Harry and Meghan were at and now 2+4= 167.
That’s the new Anti-Meghan math. I addressed that 6-degrees of separation nonsense up-thread. The OP was seriously reaching (and looking rather foolish 2x) in trying to make a MM-Giles connection.
Maybe Kate and Rose had an affair and it soured.
*Just as valid as any other internet theory*
William was known to have cheated on Kate more than once when they were dating, what reason would he have to stop if she put up with it before? I’d absolutely buy that he’s had a side piece or two, but as long as he was able to maintain their happy marriage/family narrative in public everyone was fine with it. That’s how most of these aristos roll. Now that there were people potentially sniffing around he’s gone into overdrive and ended up making it worse by freaking out over a non-story about his wife fighting with some random rich lady. KP always thinks that they are better at PR than the actually are.
Why are so many people commenting that William treats Kate badly? They look fairly happy to me. What am I missing? There is definitely something going on. On an unrelated article about Prince William in the daily mail today, comments have been moderated with only one comment published. Yet, they bash Meghan without any restrictions.
I think those comments are about their 10 year dating period, where he pretty much kept her at beck and call, cheated on her, broke up, came back, etc.
Meghan Markle is nothing but click-bait for the Daily Fail and they have made a Metric F*^K Tonne of money off of her. The owners really should send her a bonus profiting sharing check for all the money she made the Daily Fail.
Were William and Kate feeding stories to the press about Meghan to take the attention off of William’s affair then?
I don’t buy that Kate wouldn’t kick the “other woman” out of her social circle because of some Royal protocol of politeness. Any woman would kick that woman out of their social circle if they could.
Rebecca, that is where my mind went. That it is possible that the Cambridges and their team fed a few anti-Meghan stories to the press in exchange for them keeping quiet about whatever shenanigans they had going on. The odd thing about the whole recent media onslaught against Meghan is that it came out of nowhere and was fast and furious. Not to say that the media was being kind to her before, not at all, but this campaign just seemed way too coordinated and quick.
No. Look closely at their press history. They’re not “story feeders” – they’re on high lock down. In fact, they go to great lengths to carefully manage access and make themselves appear as milquetoast as possible. All of their exposure, even positive stories with photos of kids, is very very controlled.
The onslaught against Meghan did not come from them.
@SVEA 😉
No big surprise if he has cheated, whoop de do, Royal male cheats. However the glee that the commenters on this site take in it is disgusting. Because you don’t care for the woman, it’s ok!? You think she’s made some kind of ‘deal’ to get a lifestyle – maybe, but so have a lot of women who marry into money and status, I’m really saddened to see such vitriol, just as it saddens me to see the vitriol directed at Meghan. Can we all just check ourselves and maybe practise a bit of that female solidarity that ya’ll preach?
I dont get it: why Carol can’t influence William’s cheating behavior, since she is his most favorite person, she must have some kind of authority on him?
Carole depends on William whether it’s for money, status whatever. She can’t upset the apple cart. William will be the king regardless, she is looking out for her and Kate. The kids are protected just like William and Harry were when they kicked Diana to the curb. Plus she knows the score about men who cheat.
Thank you!
You Meghan and Harry’s friend claimed this. Shame on you Harry.
LOL! With your comment, Lilyberro, the intelligence quotient of this entire thread was lowered to room temperature. Please RD, open that damn Sussex forum back up!
Here’s the one thing you’re missing – if this was a well known thing for quite some time, why was it just leaked? Here’s why: it was a retaliation from someone who perceived a wrong.
I feel for Kate. A man who truly, deeply loves a woman will spend time with her and the kids, will go out of his way for her, will do a lot to try and make her happy. Will not care what people think about public displays of affection. Will treat her with respect in public and private. Will not go on ski trips with questionable friends and leave her alone for her birthday to do something else. Recently he did not spend time with her during her birthday. She doesn`t look happy in photos lately. I heard of a story where she was walking with the kids alone, outside of the palace in public (not very safe). Why would she do this? Probably, she is lonely and wants a normal life somewhat so she takes a day out with the kids in a park outside of the palace hoping few will notice to give herself a breath of fresh air. Was her husband with her, no. I think something was going on probably quite apparent and humiliating to her. So Kate could not take it and probably put her foot down. I don`t know if it was cheating but this kind of group can exclude people who are not born into it. Who really knows. I hope they can work it out for the sake of the kids and the royal reputation. But if the marriage is a farce it can`t go on forever. Something will come out eventually, if it is true.
A woman who is cheated on can only delude herself and turn a blind eye for so long until it becomes so humiliating its too much to take. This is the point where she will kick the man to the curb whether he is a nobody or the future king of England.