The Duke and Duchess of Sussex just announced the name of their firstborn son. And the name is not what any of us predicted. I don’t think any of us had this name in the Baby Name Pool. The name is…
Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor
ARCHIE. I cannot. I really can’t. As a nickname? Perhaps I could get on board, but not for the little kid’s real, official first name. Harrison is, I would assume, a name important to Meghan and Doria’s side of the family. We also know from the surname that the Queen isn’t making this baby a prince – they would have announced his title along with the name, and Mountbatten-Windsor is the surname given to non-princes and non-princesses.
Archie… I still can’t. I mean, it’s sassy and “cute” and very British, but I still can’t. He’ll forever be Polo Baby to me.
Also: confirmed, no title for Archie.
I’ve had it confirmed Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor will have no title. He will simply be Master Archie.. #Archie #Royalbaby
— Rebecca English (@RE_DailyMail) May 8, 2019
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I like it.
My son’s name is Archer. I am not pleased at the impending popularity.
I like the name Archer. It’s classy. Archie, to me, conjures up
a comic strip.
Og I wish Polo Baby was named Archer! A million times nicer.
@moxylady, Archer is a fabulous name. Great work 👍🏽
+1. And we call our guy Archie. Best name. Not happy if it becomes the new “Elsa.”
Love it! Do you call him Archie for short?
I really really love Archer. Personal preference over Archie as the full name,
I am surprised at the name. I honestly..don’t like it. As a nickname, I find it adorable (shout out to the ladies here who have an Archer, great name!). I love Harrison. But hey, I was named in the early 80’s when it wasn’t popular to have a more unique or typically “boy’s” name for a girl, so who am I to judge? People all the time either love or hate my name and have told me. I’m also sure if I am lucky enough to be able to conceive with my partner (I am near Megan’s age) after our wedding etc, I will come up with a name a ton of people do not like. My partner looks at me lovingly but with an “absolutely not, also is that even a name” face when I tell him my fav name ideas. If the parents are happy, which is incredibly evident, that is all that matters!
Hopefully his name will erase a stream of review’s/roasts of “Riverdale” on YouTube I watched recently and have been in my head. I used to think of the comics and now it’s a show that is…interesting…I am just way too old to appreciate.
Ann – actually, for me Archer does conjure up a comic strip/ cartoon…. really. It’s in the title! Google for
Archer adult swim
since it runs on Adult Swim periodically.
According to Wikipedia:
“(American sitcom). It follows the exploits of a dysfunctional group of secret agents—Sterling Archer and seven of his colleagues—Malory Archer, Lana Kane, Cyril Figgis, Cheryl Tunt, Pam Poovey, Ray Gillette and Dr. Algernop Krieger.”
OK, technically it’s the main dysfunctional guy’s last name, but they call him Archer. You can also choose the names Cyril, Ray, and Algernop for the tiny tot if you prefer and prefer to stick to gender norms. I can’t remember if Algernop is male or female, though. Although a lot of names have switched genders over the ages.
Algernop sounds intriguing to me. Algernop Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor. What do you think?
@jwoolman
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Ugh, the optics of not giving the child of color a title are awful.
There’s a world of difference between Archer, which is elegant and masculine, and Archie. Jaysus. As a nickname Archie is cute, sure, but who gives a baby a nickname as his true, official, given name? It seems a bit tacky to me, honestly. More than a bit. It’s a nickname, ffs. What will they name their first daughter, “Girlie”?
And maybe others are already talking about this (I haven’t read down-thread yet), but Archie is Prince George’s nickname! It’s awful of the Sussexes to have given their newborn the same name that his five-year-old cousin Prince George is known by at home (and no doubt thinks of as his own real name by now)! If there was strain between the two couples before, this is surely not going to help.
I’ve been a longstanding huge fan of Meghan and Harry since day one, but this really is a huge letdown.
@Megan this was his parents’ choice though. It’s not like the Queen denied him one. Megan (his biracial mother) and Harry decided this together and it is a wise choice. Harry knows this better than anyone. Zara and Peter have always been happier title-free than Beatrice and Eugenie have been with titles and the extra attention and criticism that comes with them. Far better to have a more normal life. Besides, I am assuming that one day this child will inherit his father’s Dukedom. Not exactly underprivileged.
We don’t know that Archie is George’s nickname. That is one random hill walker’s interpretation of a conversation with a 5 year old child. And the Queen doesn’t approve or disapprove names, it’s just tradition that they tell her about them first. (And I may think Archie is a bit trendy, but Archer sounds like a Marvel hero to me).
My son’s first two names are Andrew Archer…..and when my husband read the Polo Baby’s name to me I said, “What is that short for? That is DEFINITELY NOT his actual first name!”
Was Meghan pregnant when wee George said his name was Archie? If so…I’d be willing to bet A LOT that he’d heard that name floated for Polo Baby and took it for himself.
Agreed. I like Master Archie even more than just plain Archie. It’s very Richie Rich.
Ha! Yes, absolutely Richie Rich. 😂
Master Archie screams polo baby to me! The more I hear it, the more perfect it becomes.
I find it interesting that for a while the trend had been parents calling their kids by their formal names and not using nicknames (James, Abigail, Thomas, William).
Now it seems like parents are starting to name their kids more nickname type names (Elsie, Maisey, Lulu, Leo, Luke).
Interesting how the trends change!
Yup. If British royals can’t name their kid Archie then who can?
Agree with tealily! i think archie is sweet. harrison sounds like a hedge fund manager in boston. american version of harry methinks.
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I actually love it! It’s so non-traditional. It’s so freaking cute.
I love it too. And I love that it’s so unexpected and is coming as a shock to so many people who were waiting on a bland Arthur or James or Charles!
Go, little Archie!
Oh and big love for the official pic with Meghan, Doria and Queenie centre stage, with the princes knowing their place!
I do too. Adorable.
A friend of mine has a son named Archie Harris!! LOL He’s in his late teens/early 20s. Bet he’ll be able to get any table in a restaurant now. They are British, and Archie actually sounds really good with a British accent. I like the name.
Here’s my question though. Didn’t Prince George tell strangers his name was Archie, and we all thought it might be a family nickname? Or am I misremembering that.
My daughter-in-law’s big dog is called Archie… But I still like the name, and especially since there’ll be no title.
I don’t mind the name. Meghan looks wonderful, and they look so happy and in love. It’s nice.
??? Not sure why this posted here. 🤷♂️
Yeah, I like it but I don’t love it (I would have preferred Archibald, but that’s just me.) I can’t help but automatically jump to Archie Andrews, but then I was obsessed with those comics when I was a kid.
Maybe this is their way of telling is he’s definitely going to have red hair? Hahaha.
I think that this baby is soooooo beautiful and I love how Harry especially has reacted in the most utterly sweetest of ways, more than I could have even imagined. He is a doll and a great man, grace personified and this solidifies how I’ve always felt he was most alike his mother.
BUT I am soooo DISAPPOINTED IN THE NAME. Like, what a buzz killer!!!! My word. For one, I cannot stand when people give their child a nickname instead of an official first name that can be conjured or derived into a nickname. It lacks sophistication and sounds incomplete to me and doesn’t go over well as they are an adult living with a given name that sounds like a nickname in my opinion. I know people who have done this, for instance one named her daughter Charlie, not Charlotte and then nicknamed her Charlie….it is just….Charlie. Also Archie is an American comic that I loathe. I just don’t find the name fitting of such a precious baby boy and a royal to boot. I really was hoping it was Phillip or Andrew. I really thought one of those names would have been in there and Andrew would have been so fitting and adorable. My first thought was my Lord, how gorgeous is he?!!! Literally marveling over his beauty but I will never get over this name.
Before I am attacked, I know they can name him whatever they wish. But heck, I guess because so many people especially on this site had much more proper and fitting names to bestow on this little guy and I really thought he would be named something traditional but cute and this just ruined that notion.
I never saw them naming him after the repugnant Andrew.
Same. Archibald would have been fine with Archie as the shortened name. And I too think of the comics.
@ladymtl Omg I Hadn’t thought of that. If he has red hair and he’s called Archie, that is just cruel in terms of the teasing that he’ll get. I have to say I also thought Archie Bunker which dates me obviously. I really don’t like the name, but he’s their child so…. And the proximity to George’s apparent nickname is really strange to me.But I am disappointed that they didn’t call him Jack ha ha!
No British children born in 2019 will have heard of either the Archie comic or Archie Bunker, unless there are some serious remakes.
me too. i love it.
I love it. Archie is a red haired cartoon character, kind of clumsy, but the girls love him. Who does that sound like? And Harrison is son of Harry. I couldn’t love it more. And no title. Perfect. All the goodies with none of the jobs. He will build his own brand and become a billionaire.
Agree, I love it… Archie doesn’t need a title, he has Harry & Meghan as parents and the world will be at his feet.
You may be the only one!
Archie is actually a name used a lot in posh circles. British prep and public schools are full of Archies. Both William and Harry most definitely have come across people called Archie…very upper crust.
Yes, my friend who is British has a son named Archie.
This will please Price Philip.
After losing the battle to have a new dynasty named Mountbatten, the deal was this his non royal descendants be called Mountbatten-Windsor,
But how many are there who will pass that name down?
Of his great grandchildren, only Louise and Archie carry the name. Louise’s children won’t be Mountbatten-Windsors.
Eventually, male descendants of Prince Louis and Viscount James will, too, but that’s a long way off and only if they have sons.
Same.
> 500 comments for Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor!
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Ikr?! I was guessing it would be about 400 comments, I’m off quite a bit. Bet this will be the most commented article of the year. 😁
I suspect Harrison was chosen to act as a surname so Polo baby can go through life as Archie Harrison without having to identify himself as Mountbatten-Windsor on a day to day basis which Harry and Wills hated. It’s very ye ol skool having a surname made from fathers first name and adding ‘son’. It’s called a patronym.
They must’ve let Prince George pick the first name.
OMG, you may be right!!! Didn’t George call HIMSELF Archie to a woman who spotted him walking out with Carole??? lolol. How funny would that be, if they *were* influenced by George?
https://www.bustle.com/p/prince-georges-nickname-is-archie-this-theory-may-explain-why-15903725
SICK. BURN. Checkmate Sussex. Oh, you wanna tell us we’re forbidden from using MY OWN MOTHER’S name for our child? Cool. We’ll take your kid’s nickname for himself, name our kid that. Have fun explaining how he can’t use his favorite name because his dad (and uncle…but especially his dad) are petty af.
@Enny
There’s nothing stopping George having the nickname Archie. He can still be called that and still call himself that if he wants too. Equally, if he no longer wants to be called Archie another name can be given to him instead no problem. Kids change their minds all the time.
Also, what are you talking about being forbidden using the mother’s name? who forbade it and why would they want to call their son Diana or Doria? Diana’s middle name Frances (‘Francis’ for a boy) was still an option, they didn’t use it. That whole section of your post is very confusing.
Exactly! Fine for a kid, I guess…but adult Archie? Terrible, oof.
Cary Grant’s real name was Archie Leach.
I think Archie is more common in England as a stock standard name, definitely in Australia but not so much America.
Maybe he’ll pull an: A. Harrison M-W as an adult. Or just go by Harrison. Although I like Archie for an adult too, especially if he’s happy, charismatic, kind…his character will make the name cool.
I like Harrison too – Harrison = son of Harry. I think that’s what it’s for, not for Meghan’s side (per article hypothesis).
It’s a real name. The kid can use whatever he wants if he doesn’t like it. People do change their names to suit themselves when needed. Some cultures build that into the whole becoming an adult thing.
Funny how people get so stuck on what they think “adult” names must be. I get that myself, with control-freaky people incorrectly coming up with various other names they think must be my “real” name. Nope.
Names are names and go in and out of fashion, except for people who have strong family roots and look to ancestors for ideas or who just march to their own drummer when naming their kids.
Archie might be derived from the old Archibald, I think, but is also a name in its own right (obviously). Not just for comic book characters. Might as well dump the names Bruce and Veronica and Donald if that’s the criterion.
My guess is that it wasn’t picked out of the air but rather there are ancestors or relatives somewhere in their family histories with the first and/or second name. Maybe the middle name Harrison is a way of giving him part of his dad’s name in a more creative way.
A friend has a son, Archer. He was called ‘Archie’ in his childhood; when he was in his mid-teens it was shortened to ‘Arch’ and that has been his name for years – except his parents will sometimes let an affectionate ‘Archie’ out, and it’s so sweet. I like ‘Arch’…I like them all!
My terribly nice friend is named Archie. He is utterly adorable and not at all oof
@sequinedheart Cary Grant was Archibald. Archie for a nickname.
Actually, I can see them calling Baby Archie, “Arch”. Especially as he gets older, that seems a more grownup version.
Or maybe Harry named his favorite comic?
Archie is quite trendy at the moment in London
I think Harrison is them adopting the Scandi system – he *is* literally Harry’s son
Well Archie Andrews is a ginger isn’t he?
My heart sank because of exactly this: Prince George introduced himself as Archie just a few months ago. This is disappointing, without context. I hope they give us context, because (a) the name is so short, compared to other royals and (b) PG’s recent use….I’m a little disappointed. And the surname/s (a) hyphenated, why? why not Baby Sussex? Archie Sussex works, dammit.
Surprised and a tiny bit (it’s none of my business) disappointed.
That’s the surname for kids who aren’t princes or princesses. it’s been hyphenated like that forever.
Maybe the family knew the name ahead of time and that’s why Prince George called himself that? He could have overhead it, which is common with kids. Just a thought-
Surly Gale, I am with you. I find this all just plain weird due to PG’s nickname being Archie.
Harrison I like and understand but not Archie. Archibald maybe, but not Archie.
The Windsor Mountbatten name is for all of QEII’s descendants who are not printes and princesses, so just another hint that he’s not going to have a title.
Harry used Wales because technically he didn’t have a last name.
Charles, William and Harry have the name Mountbatten Windsor so it’s not reserved for non princes.
Or maybe they had that name in mind for a few months and George heard it from them and was being a cheeky boy by using his cousin’s name?
George’s nickname isnt Archie, someone scoffed at that and said no. Either he never said that or he was just being a kid. However Pippas son is named Arthur so maybe George got it from that.
George may have been taught to use a different name with strangers he meets when with his nanny.
Because Mountbatten-Windsor is the family’s actual right, normal last name.
The “William Wales”, “George Cambridge” type territorial title non-sense is a more gaudy choice they make to use for various things. (And its honestly a tad gauche. Especially if you really want your kid to be normal, use your normal last name.) Officially their birth records all say Mountbatten-Windsor anyways. Using anything more special when you’re already a royal is quite superfluous.
What if PG heard his parents commenting on the name and he liked the name or they said it’s his code name to throw off the little tyke and that’s what cause Wills and Harry to quarrel: discussing the names and letting out a leak.
Maybe he knew his little cousin’s name was Archie, he liked it, and took it for himself, 🙂
RIGHT?! I heard that and was like “isn’t that George’s nickname?” Yowza.
Love the name! And he already looks like an Archie! I wonder if there is a story behind the choosing. Hmm……….
Same, love it!
I love it too!! Archie Harrison 💙🥰 lady sassington said (Harry’s son) on twitter and my heart exploded lol
Reminds me of the father from The Secret Garden which was my favorite movie for a long time.
Also, Harrison is really popular here in the states right now. I know about 4 little ones off the top of me head with the name so i think Archie is better. I mean Master Archie? So cute.
The Harrison is literal right? They do this in the Nordic countries. Archie is “Harry’s son”
That’s nice but it’s still really popular here. Also, Archie is so much more I retesting then all the boring standard royal names. I would’ve been disappointed had it been Arthur, which does sound like an old man to me, or Albert or Alexander or James. Let’s face it, the Cambridge’s kids names are pretty boring and Charlotte is another one where I know about a dozen little charlottes but they are heirs to the throne so they had different standards I think. The Sussex’s got to have some wiggle room and fun.
Me too! And can I say… this trio is SO CUTE! I love them!
And Doria always seems so elegant… I’m glad Meghan’s Mom is the complete opposite of her ass of a father.
Harrison is for one of Meghan’s distant relatives who was a President of America. So she does have some “American” royalty.
@twilly what? President of America?
.? Benjamin? William Henry?
She does, doesn’t she? Doria is a very pretty lady.
YES, Doria looks so elegant! She always does, but this is an especially lovely look.
Wow, awful name. I expected a lot better from the lovely Meghan, she seems like such an intelligent and gracious woman.
Archie sounds like a character named in a cheesy sitcom and Archer sounds like a stiff 89 year old.
Any of the following names would have been a lot nicer :
Alexander for an adult – Alex for a child
James for an adult – Jamie for a kid
Henry for an adult – Harry for a kid
Feel free to name your child whatever you choose and you will find that others will do the same.
Archie is a Top 20 baby name in Great Britain and has been for a little while now. So way to insult a good portion of their population Celebitchy readers! 😂
Archie is a nickname? Only for a child? Well according to recent records there will be plenty of adult Archie’s running around in 18-20 years. And we will all be old and obsolete by then, so who cares what we think LOL! 😉
I love the name as well! My brother’s name is Harrison and its a bit rare for those of us in our 30s. I know several Augies, and Augusts. I like traditional names, (seriously my kids’ names are Charlotte and william) but the combos the royal family comes up with are a bit stuffy. This feels fresh though! Welcome Archie!
My kids have been dying to know the new royal baby’s name – and our dog is named Archie, so they will get a BIG kick out of this.
I don’t know…I don’t mind it. For a royal baby, anyway. It’s cute, and he can use Harrison when he’s older, or not. His dad is world famous for being adorably goofy, so this name may fit him like a glove. He’s certainly not going to have to worry about how it’ll come across on a CV. CVs are for the peasants, not Mountbatten-Windsors. 😉
Just thought it was a weird coincidence that they randomly named their son a name George may have randomly given out to a stranger. I was being facetious about them stealing it though, don’t get ur panties in a bunch. If anything, it was a one-off random thing George did that they all find hilarious and maybe it’s a bit of a family joke. And they said, you know, it actually is a cute name? I can see that. And it is cute. And a bit of a nice tribute to George too, if that’s how it went down.
No, to be clear, I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY STOLE THE BELOVED NICKNAME OF THEIR NEPHEW THE FUTURE KING. 🙄 OK?
Ew and gross. What an awful name.
I agree. I like Harrison, but Archie? That’s a nickname for Archibald, both are awful. Dear M&H, yes I do have a say in naming your baby! Quick, change it to James Charles Philip Alexander! See how much nicer that is?
“James Charles Philip Alexander” is boring and dumb.
with all the “James Hewitt is Harry´s real father” shit I dont think they would ever name their child James
Caty, be nice. These comment sections are just for fun, okay?
Yes, Himmiefan : James Charles Philip Alexander, it’s much better than Archie, horrid name.
Classy is never boring, it’s just classy!
That name you made up IS boring. I don’t care either way for the name they have now, but at least it’s not dull and stuffy,
Personally, i like Archie better than Harrison. Archie is quintessentially British to me. Harrison is just blah and honestly, if it’s just a pun (“son of Harry”) that’s even worse.
They already have a child named James among the grandchildren.
Naming their own son James would be seen as a huge faux-pas. They’d never hear the end of it.
Do not like it either, The commentariat of The Fail will have field day with this one.
Commentariat…..lol! I love it
So true. Archie sounds like the name of a sixty year old sexist and right winger.
Part of the problem for me but wasn’t part of H&M’s generation.
You mean, like Archie Bunker? LOL
Whenever I hear the name Archie, I always think of Archie Bunker of the 70s sitcom All in the Family (if you don`t know whom I’m talking about, Google ”Youtube Archie Bunker”). No, I’m not crazy about the name.
haha Montrealise – I was thinking the same thing. I was too young to watch the show in its original run as it was past my bedtime 😉
That is your opinion….Archie for me is a name for posh boys found in British prep and public schools.
Agree! Ugh.
Glad I’m not alone. Beautiful baby, but I hasaaaate the name.
Not fond of it either, although it conjures up a ‘fun’ image and I guess they wanted something light and non-traditional. Just to be clear, I was utterly disappointed in George as well, future King or not I just felt it was cruel to saddle a little kid with such an old fashioned name.
I like it. I especially like Harrison. I also notice there’s only one middle name.
I love Harrison for the little guy. He is Harry’s son!
Maybe because of that double-barreled last name.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the reason.
Ohhh 🙁 I hate it. Ugh
They misspelled Andre.
They also misspelled Armand.
You should explain that to all of us.
I’d like to know what this means.
Come on ladies, it obviously means they gave him the wrong name, as opposed to the names we would have chosen. It’s a joke.
@ladyD
Oh I see. You guys genuinely thought the baby would be better named Prince Andre. For normal reasons. Okay. Nothing to see here.
I wouldn’t choose either Andre or Armand, but they’re both better than Eugenie in my opinion.
Me too. I think it’s awful.
I’m so confused. I thought PG said this was his nickname once to a lady whilst out on a walk with Grandma Carole and sis Charlotte. Is this baby name Dramz?
Welcome, baby Archie Sussex!
THIS! Wasn’t this reported a while back? Very odd if it’s true.
Maybe they heard it and fell in love with it, and if PG is future king, maybe it’s a way to honor his cousin w/o being very obvious? I really like the name
When George is King he’ll get his revenge on Meghan and Harry for stealing his name, he’ll banish them to America. He and Archie will be friends, but he’ll refer to Archie as The Other One.
I wonder if George had asked what they were going to name the baby, and maybe it was always in the running? And he just kind of ran with it? haha. WHO KNOWS.
@Erinn – that is my theory. That the name Archie was being discussed and George liked it so figured, “I’m Archie too!”
I’m choosing to believe they knew they were having a boy and maybe had even decided his name and George had heard them or his parents discussing it and then he basically gave away their secret and no one realized it. No evidence other than I think that would be HILARIOUS. Out of the mouths of babes!
I always thought the Sussexes KNEW they were having a boy. I think this came out sometime around the NYC baby shower. I read it on some very unreliable site that Meghan let it slip during the shower party.
Meghan strikes me as the type who want to know the sex of child ASAP.
I think it’s so terrible haha. Archie?! are they huge Riverdale fans?! I like Harrison though, I wish they had swapped the two names.
I definitely did not have Archie on my list.
I grew up on the Archie comics and love it! Gingers 4eva!! And Harrison, OMG, I’m crying at how great this name is.
Ugh, seriously? All the great names they could have picked and they chose that?
Yes, let’s to back to Polo.
Agree!
I so agree, minx! It’s awful.
Ouf. Not what I was expecting.
I mean, could it be short for Arthur? But if it was, I’d assume they’d have called him Arthur in the announcement.
Ah well. It’s ‘fine’, just not what I expected.
Archie is absolutely adorable! The BW photo of Meghan, Harry, the Queen, and Doria etc is incredible – it really brings home what an important moment this is.
I did think they might include Francis or Spencer as a way of honouring Diana…
Exactly! We should be focusing on the amazing picture of the Queen, the Duke and Doria with the new proud parents and gorgeous Archie, which will become an iconic image.
I love it. It’s both modern and old. I used to work with a guy called Archie and he was a fab guy. I wonder if Harrison is an extended version of Harry?
Harry’s son = Harrison?
Like….come on now. How lame is that. LOL.
Very nice play on words
Like the Nords do!
Harrison I like but not Archie. Archibald maybe but not Archie.
That is mockable if that’s the reason they chose it. On it’s own Harrison is acceptable but the pun? Oh no.
I thought that was sweet. Like, “Listen kid, no matter all the crap that’s going to come your way for being a Mountbatten-Windsor, at the end of the day you’re Harry’s son so don’t feel too overwhelmed and remember that you are loved.”
Also, Doria Ragland is stunningly beautiful. Omg
Yes, I would have thought I’d be staring at the baby and his parents, but I couldn’t take my eyes off Doria. She has such an elegant sense of style.
Harrison, yes, Archie, no. Archie as a nickname but my gosh…
I’ve never seen the point in giving a child a name that you have no intention of using in real life–such as Harry being named Henry. They said from the start he’d be known as Harry, so why not name him that? Maybe M&H liked Archie but not Archibald & there you go. I think Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor is perfect. And all the photos are lovely.
I always assumed Henry was chosen due to the family always picking “royal” names.
I’m surprised by Archie. TBH I don’t love it, but I do like Harrison, but I doubt they really care what any of us think and had their reasons!
I think one of Amy Poehler’s kids is named Archie also? I only remember that because it’s kind of unusual.
A lot of us prefer to give our children the real name and then use the nickname. However the child then has the real name which he or she can use in their adult life if they prefer. So I have a relative named John, who is called Jack by the family, but he uses John in business. Another relative is Mary and called Molly, but Mary is more formal so she uses it in certain circumstances.
I know that using nicknames as given names is acceptable nowadays, but some prefer the older way.
I kind of agree with that. If lets say you love the nickname Beth for Elizabeth and hate the other nickname choices…then just name them Beth. You can’t really control that they could grow up and feel more like a Lizzie, you know?
I know what you’re saying but as someone who was officially given a full name Catherine and solely called Cathy for the first 18 years of my life, I ended up hating Cathy and from 18 on (basically when I moved away from home, started college and wanted to reinvent myself) solely went by Catherine. Now if someone from my family slips or–as has been the case recently–someone from high school finds me on FB and calls me Cathy, it’s like nails on a chalkboard to me (no offense to any Cathys out there). Long story short, if my parents had named me Cathy, I wouldn’t have had any options, at least for the official use of my name, unless I wanted to go through the hassle of changing my name legally. I mean not my baby, or my name, but due to my own experience, I’m not a fan of people using diminutives as the official name. Why not leave the option open? You can still call the child by their nickname until they rebel.
Archibald Harrison has a nice ring to it, but Archie makes me think of Archie Bunker.
Not gonna lie. My heart just bursts when I see Doria with E2 as an equal granny. & tbh the rest I just cant. love republican (small r)
E2 is great grandmother though, Diana would have been the Grandmother
Yes, Karen2. Seeing Doria in the mix made me happy.
That’s exactly what I thought. QEII just looks so thrilled with her great grandson — she glows in this photo. But Doria is equally compelling and charismatic, while also backing her daughter and keeping watch on her new grandson.
Honestly, someone could write an entire novel based on this photo — there’s a lot going on here.
Of all the names in the world and they choose Archie. Not good.
Archie is a cute name. And why assume Harrison as a meaningful name to Meghan and Doria? Taken at face value, Harrison son of Harry.
I like it, but it’s actually quite popular in Britain at the moment, I thought they’d go with something a bit more unusual. Harrison is a great middle name!
It is very common in Britain just now – hope there aren’t 3 other “Archies” in his school class – in 2016 it was number 18 on the popular boys name list
Maybe Archibald is too much?
Harrison can be shortened to Harry so I get the middle name being Harrison. I like Archie.
Ugh I also don’t care for it. An adorable nick name for sure, but I like full names if you want to use a name like Archie. Archer or Arthur would have been fine.
“ARCHIE. I cannot. I really can’t. As a nickname?”
My very first thought. Cool nickname but as a first name? Nah. Glad to know I am not the only one who doesn’t like the first name. I like Harrison though.
“Mountbatten-Windsor is the surname given to non-princes and non-princesses.”
Thank you for mentioning this. I wasn’t sure why this last name.
Edward and Sophie chose Windsor rather than Mountbatten-Windsor for Louise and James, so this is interesting.
Louise and James’ full legal names are Mountbatten-Windsor.
Ah sorry, you’re right, but they do go by Windsor most of the time. I wonder what they go by at school, and what this little one will go by when he goes to school.
He’ll probably be HRH by the time he goes to school – chances are the current Queen will die before he’s that old. Charles becomes king and Harry’s kids will be upgraded.
The Queen and British royal line is a Windsor and Prince Philip is a Mountbatten, they gave their children the combined surname.
I remember from the Crown the discussion they were having between Mountbatten & Windsor for the monarch. Makes sense.
The hilarious thing is that half my twitter feed is saying that the name is very American. I guess Archie is whatever you want it to be. It reads very trendy to me, but not one nationality or the other.
I think it’s Cary Grant whose real given name is Archibald and he was known as Archie, in England, where he was born & grew up.
I think my people think it sounds American because of the comic strip.
Cary Grant = Archibald Leech
It sounds American if people are thinking of Archie Bunker I guess. But an old racist isn’t a very good association in that case. But my immediate thought is the Archie part is very British, the Harrison part sounds American.
My husband’s comment was that these names are what Americans think British names are like, and it rang so true 😀
I would consider Harrison very American actually and Archie much more British. Archie isn’t a common or popular name in the US. Harrison might be though, much more than Archie.
My first ever comment, longtime lurker. I LOVE it. Of course, my firstborn son, Pierce’s middle name is Harrison, so I may be a bit biased, (and my dad’s name is Harry). I think it sounds old fashioned and modern at the same time.
I like Harrison but Archie, not at all. Sounds like an old man.
My thoughts exactly!
No more “old man” than George or Louis. And I’m not biased against those names, my husband is a George. But he is in his sixties, lol!
I never understand the “old man” or “old woman” names comments. All the old people you know called Archie or Dorothy or whatever were once babies themselves. What often happens is that names cycle. So for instance Nancy and Barbara sound like old women’s names to lots of people now, because baby boomers were given them (baby boomer speaking here). But Emma and Sophia (which would have seemed horribly old fashioned to folks in the 1950s (because they knew old people with those names) now seem trendy to young people who never met the Emmas, Sophias, Charlottes, etc. who were born in the late 19th century.
Never understood the old man or old lady name thing either. I was in my son’s graduation for 5th grade and there so many Aidens. Looking back, it was prime SITC with SJP and Kim K. Now that’s dated. Love recycling names. I am not a fan of Archie though. My my.
@Justme, yes, exactly this. The next generation will fall in love with Barbara, Carol, Nancy, Linda, Sharon, Joyce, Patricia, Sandra, Susan, Carolyn, Norman, Ronald, Larry, Kenneth, Gary, Jerry, Dennis, Roger, Frank, Raymond, Walter, Harold etc.
It is a great name and very unexpected! Welcome earth side Archie!
Yes, agreed. It’s a great name that Harry and Meghan wanted for their son.
I’m more amazed by the reaction, tbh.
I don’t know how i feel about ‘Archie’ but i like the combination of ‘Archie Harrison’.
Also how is this woman in HEELS 48 hours after giving birth i-
And can someone please explain why the baby won’t have a title?
Im pretty sure the baby doesnt have a title because its too far down from succession. I think the only reason why Eugenie and Beatrice are princesses is because the Queen Elizabeth was in power and they were the children of her son.
Presumably because Harry and Meghan don’t want him to have one.
The photo with the queen, ahh I love it!
I don’t know how I feel about Archie. Would not have been a name I’d pick as the full first name. But it’s their baby and if he doesn’t like it, he could go by Harrison. 🙂
Interesting that he’ll have no title!
I think its a cute name, not my style, but cute.
Why is he Master Archie and not Archie Earl of Dumbarton? (a la James, Viscount Severn?) Would a girl have been Lady? (again a la Lady Louise.)
I wonder if the name was long decided on ago, and that’s why George started calling himself Archie?
It just seems really weird that George told someone his name was Archie months ago.
It’s weird because he should take his father’s second most import title. However, if the RF has announced he is to be addressed as MASTER then I suppose they’ve decided to ignore that, too. I wonder what will happen when Charles becomes King.
I guess it means they were serious about trying to give this kid as normal a life as possible, within the realm of the royal family at any rate.
So will he not inherit the Dukedom? Something seems off to me.
He will inherit unless his father were to give up his own titles. They are his by birthright. And as soon as Charles is on the throne he is automatically “Prince Archie” 😁😁😁 unless his parents decline. They’re trying to give the child some normalcy and good for them, really is it any surprise Harry would want that?
I suppose they can decline as long as Archie in underage, right? It would be weird to have your parents decline something that’s legally yours.
Archie will inherit the title, but any title given to him is only a courtesy title and not actually his. They are choosing not to use it. It’s the difference between peers and commoners. The sons of dukes, marquesses, earls, etc. are not title holders in their own right but only provided courtesy titles if the father has them.
There’s a difference between the titles that the royals have from their parents and being created a member of the peerage in their own right, which is the legal title that cannot be disclaimed on your behalf. William and Harry were royal princes, but not peers until they were given their dukedoms by the Queen.
James, for example, is not a member of the peerage in his own right, even though he is called Viscount Severn as a courtesy title. Edward is the actual peer. So Meghan and Harry can decline to style their children as Lord/Lady now and Prince/Princess later, but they can’t decline the Duke of Sussex, Earl of Dumbarton and Baron Kilkeel titles for Archie when he is an adult.
“I suppose they can decline as long as Archie in underage, right? It would be weird to have your parents decline something that’s legally yours.”
Correct! Lady Louise and Viscount Severn are HRHs but the parents did not want the “style” used. When they are 18 they can ask to be call HRH as it stands now. For any of this to legally change QEII would have to issue revisions to the 1917 Letters Patent.
The title “Earl of Dumbarton” is Harry’s secondary title so, as a courtesy, Harry can allow Archie to use this title if Harry chooses to do so.
If Harry says “Master Archie” then “Master Archie” it is.
Thanks for posting all that about the titles, Tina. All of the protocol for titles is confusing to me, your explanation was very informative.
@nic919 and Tina – thanks! I did not know those details about courtesy titles. Interesting.
Sarchie can not be Earl of Dunbarton while Harry is alive. Archie is a Viscount.
Yes, Archie is a Viscount and he will become the Duke of Sussex after the demise of his father, and assume the other titles.
Monicack:
Titles are weird. Harry is Duke of Sussex, Earl of Dunbarton, Baron Kilkeel. Those are three separate titles in descending rank for one person. Archie will inherit them when Harry dies. However, as a courtesy, he’s allowed to use Earl of Dunbarton while Harry still lives. If Archie has a son while Harry is still alive, that son may be known as Baron Kilkeel.
Prince Edward was created Earl of Wessex, with the subsidiary title of Vicount Severn on his marriage. His son, James, now uses that title. Rumor has it that Edward will be gifted his father’s title after he dies (not something that an ordinary aristocratic family can do) and then he’ll be the Duke of Edinburgh, James will be Earl Wessex, and James’ hypothetical son could then be Vicount Severn with a living grandfather-Duke.
historybuff, you are 100% correct. Edward was purposely not made a Duke of And-or-Wherever so that he could get the Edinburgh title when Philip kicks the bucket. It is well know that Anne is Philips favorite child but what is not so well known is that of his three sons, Philip is closest to Edward.
I have also read that Philip is also very close to Edward’s son James.
Sorry to piggyback on this question — does Archie not being titled means he’s gonna be a regular British taxpayer?
I am sad that he is not titled, for some reason! But it is probably better for him. I’m sure Meghan will get flack for it. Somehow.
@Call_Me_Al I’m sad me too!!
I assume Zara and Mike and Peter and Autumn pay taxes on their income, yes, as do Eugenie and Jack. I’m not sure Beatrice earns any money, but if she did, she would do so. (Louise and James are too young). So yes, Archie will one day join the rest of us in contributing to the Inland Revenue. (Assuming Brexit-related poverty hasn’t meant we’ve sold our country to the highest bidder by then).
Thank God he’s not both! Both a redheaded Archie, potentially, and then that title? It was a blessing to forego that one.
I think Archie is adorable for a little boy but I’m not sure how it’ll work when he gets older. I assume it’s short for Archibald? That’s a mouthful. Well, they better get looking for a baby Betty and Veronica (and Jughead!)
My thoughts as well. Really fun and cute for a young boy, but an older Archie brings to mind some rich spoiled trust fund kid.
Any case they are all adorable and glowing so congrats to them.
I’m not going to pretend to like the name. I retract my wish that the baby has Harry’s red hair now.
LOL, I spit out my coffee, but keep in mind red hair and Archie go well together. I’m betting he’s not a red head though anyway, it’s a recessive gene so it’s hard to get. Surprised Harry got it. I know it’s odd, but I always liked the mouthful of royal names, and I’m disappointed in only two. Also, Archie is better for when they are little not adult. I do have to say they waited to name him for this name, a bit disappointing. Plus, why does it seem that people who take longer to name the baby come up with mediocre names. They seem happy though so it doesn’t matter. Love the picture with the Queen and Prince Phillip smiling at the baby. It’s cute.
Lol, AryusMum!
Crying…
I agree, I hated the comic when I was a kid (that annoying Veronica!) so the name has negative connotations for me. Super cute baby though, I hope he goes by Harrisson instead when he grows up, that’s a great name!
If the next baby is also a boy will we get a Jughead Mountbatten-Windsor? Also, I believe Archie (the comic book character) is a ginger, so there’s that.
I’m cackling at the comment
Looking forward to Betty and Veronica.
LOLOLOL Jughead!
This child cannot become king OR run for president with that name.
Says who? Barak Obama?
+1, MsIam.
He can’t become King unless he wants to get rid of seven relatives, and we can get into the natural born citizen thing with the US, but pretty sure he can’t become US president either.
Constitutional scholars differ strongly on that latter question, it’s by no means settled either way.
Technically Archie was not born on “US Soil” so he cannot be the POTUS but he could be the VPOTUS.
As Tina said above “Constitutional scholars differ strongly on that latter question” but every time the question has come up the person (John McCain & Barry Goldwater most recently) were able to trace their birth place back to “US Soil”.
As I recall, it was an issue for Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada to an American father and Cuban-immigrant mother. The consensus was that it would be okay. Archie may be in the clear.
Interestingly, the “born on US soil” criteria was to prevent any of George III’s sons from taking over and reuniting the former colonies with the British royal family.
Meghan is American and lived in the US as an adult long enough for Archie to qualify as a natural born US citizen. Archie is no different than Ted Cruz, the only difference being that Meghan hasn’t filed anything at the US Embassy to confirm his citizenship.
If Archie moves to the US when he’s over 18 he can run for president once he turns 35.
I’m sure if given the choice between being a distant royal and US president any sane person would stick with being a royal.
People keep confusing “citizen at birth” and “natural born citizen”. They are not the same. The latter term is only relevant to who can be president. It has never been adjudicated by the Supreme Court on it’s interpretation because it has never needed to be adjudicated. The only thing that is clear is that being born on a military base is considered US soil so with McCain it was never an issue. If Cruz had won the nomination though, someone might have sued because he was born in Canada to an American parent. No one would be challenging Cruz’ citizenship though. That’s definite. Just his eligibility to be President.
So little Archie would be in the same boat as Cruz. Definitely American if proper paperwork completed by age 18. But maybe not able to be President.
Yeah, the Ted Cruz run is a bit debatable too, as that was totally different than what I was taught. My understanding is you had to be born in the US unless military is the reason, like John McCain born on military base- considered US anyway. Plus if Cruz was natural born due to one parent being a US citizen, the whole Obama birther movement would be moot, as Obama’s Mom was born in Kansas. I thought Cruz was just excused cause it was the crazy right wingers, and you have to bring it to court. There was talk about suing against Cruz too, but he didn’t win so no one tested it. So I did say probably not.
@noway & Susan, This also came up with Barry Goldwater as Barry Goldwater was born in the Arizona Territory before Arizona became a state. Some judge somewhere ruled that US Territories (Canal Zone, Guam, Arizona, Alaska & Hawaii), military bases (even Guantanamo Bay), protectorates (Puerto Rico & American Samoa) are US soil. Therefore, born in any of the above and you can be the POTUS.
Besides, when you become a King/Queen you usually take over a new name anyway. Although Elizabeth didnt. But her father King George was actually born Albert.
Love it. Glad they didn’t go for some dumb fuddy duddy super white British royal name.
I kind of love it, and Doria is really stunning
That black and white picture is absolutely wonderful. Don’t love the name Archie but knew it would be a name no one would guess. Also called no title.
Ugggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh. Cue the comics for THE REST OF THIS KID’S LIFE.
Maybe they thought, “well, f— it, if he’s not going to be a price we’re not giving him a princely name.”
doesn’t he become a prince automatically under the Letters Patent when Charles becomes King? I haven’t understood this complication the entire time.
He becomes HRH under the 1917 letters patent when Charles becomes king unless his parents make a different choice, like the one Edward and Sophie made for Louise and James. If they’re not giving him any title now, then I can’t imagine they would want him to suddenly be known as Prince Archie in ten years’ time or whenever.
I agree. I’ve always felt that whatever they decided they would begin as they meant to go on and he’ll be Archie Mountbatten-Windsor forever. Taking the Princess Anne route it looks like. Good for them! I like Archie.
When Archie becomes 18 years old and is a legal adult, it will be his choice unless the 1917 Letters Patent are revised.
Archie? Um….is that a nickname for Arthur? Kinda how Harry’s real name is Henry?
If it was just a nickname, I don’t think the official announcement would have left off his legal name though, right?
No Archie is a nickname for Archibald, which is a fine name – very Scottish sounding. But they chose the nickname version for their son, which is their right. Just as loads of people use Jack instead of John. It’s a modern thing and they are modern.
Yeah, but Jack is so common as to have made the leap to acceptable first. Archie is just flat nickname.
I LOVE Archie! Such a great non-heir to the throne name!
I hope the baby is a redhead, like his dad, and Archie Andrews, they must be Archie comics/Riverdale fans.
I’m fine with the baby not having a title, I hope it means he will have more freedom, like Anne’s children.
Master Archie. OMG. That poor kid. That’s something you can call a dog.
It is my dogs name LOL,
To anyone who understands the legality and validity of Letters Patent – what happens when Archie becomes grandson of the Monarch through the male line? Is he automatically Prince or can the title be withheld?
He’s automatically a Prince, but they can decide not to use the title. It’s what Edward and Sophie have done. Their kids ARE Prince/Princesses but they choose not to style them in that matter. I think it makes a difference with how the public treats them, so I’m betting Harry and Meghan will follow their path.
That makes sense and seems like a good path. Especially as he’s going to be more heavily scrutinized as he grows up, if the way Meghan has been treated is any indication.
No he will be a commoner just like Zara Phillips….it gives her a lot of freedom, he wont be in this awkward situation like the york sisters…..and who needs a title anyway
No he won’t. Zara and Peter have no titles because their father isn’t a peer. Harry is a Duke. Archie will inherit that title eventually, regardless of what he’s styled now.
I’m of the opinion that the York sisters would have been immensely better liked if their parents were better liked and less scandal-prone. It seems they are stuck with one foot in the common world and one foot in the Royal World and can’t seem to manage either world very well. I think they might have found a valid role as working or semi working Royals if their parents weren’t so thirsty for them to be treated with special favour because they are princesses. If you’re going to be a working royal then you actually have to do some Royal work. If you see work as holidaying more than half the time, then it isn’t hard to imagine why they’ve been relegated to very minor and quickly diminishing roles. Having said all that I think Sarah has done quite well to try to redeem herself the last while. Andrew just seems vile IMO.
I think the name is adorable maybe little Archie is a red head
Hopefully Archie sounds better with a British accent, much like Harry does.
By the time I’ve scrolled to the bottom, the name has grown on me. It’s kinda cute.
I love that Doria is in the photo with the Queen. I thought Doria should have made an appearance in the earlier photos. The beaming grandma.
That photo is everything.
Such a perfect photo. LIke a painting!
Yes, it is like a painting..it will be an iconic image.
Also, look how happy and excited they all are. The Queen and Philip love that baby and they love Harry and my guess is they love Meghan too.
Take that Royal Reporters!!!
Would’ve be nice if the besotted Gan Gan would’ve “had a word or two” with some of her RRs and courtiers, you know, the ones that made her favorite Pedo Andy’s bad press go away…forever. You know, take a bit of stress off a pregnant woman. But no. Not a peep. Not from her, not from any of them. There may be times for “Never complain, never explain” but this wasn’t it. Will she/they remain silent about comments made about the baby, too?
She probably did, but I get the feeling the royal courtiers, RR’s and others are worse gossipers than people on here. The monarchy by its very nature doesn’t deal well with change. Meghan is a big change for the monarchy, and I just think it’s set off this bad change of events. Still Archie is beautiful, who cares if he has a cartoon name. Maybe Meghan was a big Riverdale fan, and Luke Perry’s death really got to her.
I love that photo too, Doria’s & TQ’s faces say it all, very proud of H&M, they look like a very happy, contented family. Meghan haters just won’t be able to cope with how Meghan has been accepted so quickly and publicly.
Agree about RR’s – ha ha!
“worse gossipers than people on here”
Is this even possible???? Rose Who? LOL! LOL!
Oh yes! Archie sounds great with a posh British accent.
Can someone explain if there would be a real difference to the child’s life had he been made an HRH? Is it just the perceived honor of being “Prince Archie” to the public, or does it come with some tangible privilege that little Archie Mountbatten-Windsor won’t get?
Also: does this mean he’s not going to be styled the Earl of Dumbarton?
It sounds like they are choosing not to style him using the courtesy title but I feel like that is kind of weird because he is going to inherit Harry’s titles one day. He is going to go to posh schools with other boys who have courtesy titles. So I’m questioning a lot of this.
It’s an acknowledgment that he is very unlikely to be a working royal. For example, the Duchess of Kent is technically still HRH, but she doesn’t use HRH any more, since she has retired from public life. Diana and Fergie lost their HRHs in the divorces but kept the titles. And yes, no Earl of Dumbarton. Harry will keep that one and use it when he is in Scotland.
I would like to think that Meghan heard the title, Earl of Dumbarton, and said “hell, no!”. Why saddle an innocent baby with that? What if he inherits Charles’s ears?
I wouldn’t blame her!
Had he been an HRH, he would be bound by all of the rules and conventions of the Firm. He would need the permission of the Royal Family to do almost anything in his life. As HRH, the school he attended, the profession he could undertake, how he represented himself, would all come under the jurisdiction of the family. So for example, Zara Tindall can endorse a product. HRH Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie of York can’t endorse products. Zara Tindall could start a business while the york girls cannot (they would be seen as profiting off their Royal status. Yes, Princess Margaret’s son now Earl of Snowden started an interior design business, but he’s in the position of Archie, not the York women).
The problem with the Yorks is that they were raised to be working royals, but now there’s no place for them in Charles’s streamlined monarchy. So technically, they have to get real jobs to make a living (which Eugenie has managed to to do. Beatrice has struggled more with this. They have enough money in trust not to have to work, but it looks unseemly for them to do nothing). They are really in an awkward position. They have just enough Royal duties and expectations that they have to miss work (or at least that’s Beatrice’s excuse for not ever sustaining a job, much less a career)–that makes them not too desirable as employees. And yet they have to do work that jibes with being Royal (so no social justice work, no advocacy work for political causes). It would also be unseemly for employers who would want to capitalize on their royal status, yet their royal status could interfere in their ability to do a job.
I can see how Meghan and Harry could look at the York Princesses and say “no way for their kid”. Especially as the Cambridge kids will push little Archie further and further down the order of succession. While it would be great optics to see an HRH Prince Archie, I understand why that’s absolutely the wrong choice for the Sussexes. Now Archie has a chance to make a life on his own terms. He can choose to be a public figure or not–a Prince Archie would not have a choice, just as Prince Louis and Princess Charlotte won’t have the choice. Too bad if Louis/Charlotte want to open their own business as a cabinet maker, or build a tech start-up, or become a fashion designer. They will be lifers in the Firm. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up envying their cousin Archie. To be Royal with no defined place would be pretty crappy.
Can Zara Tindall be political?
I am wondering because I don’t remember that happening.
Understand a lot of people are disappointed because he’s not title As a prince but Meghan and harry choose what best for little Archie which to have a freedom. How many times over the years have William and Harry complaining about wanting to be normal aleast Archie will get to have a choose in what he want to do in life . The York girls are in a difficult situation because yes their princess but their not working royals like their cousins .
If Archie was given a title he could give it up when he was older, just as the York girls could do now if they want to. The problem with the York’s is their father. Keep in mind Andrew for a good portion of his life was second to the thrown, he feels his family should receive this honor as he has been a working royal for a long time. Charles thinks the future is with a smaller monarchy. Aside from the fact his boys were most likely raised to believe this too, it would look odd if Harry who has only been third to the thrown wants his kids to be working royals with titles as such. Plus both Harry and William have given interviews about how they feel being royal has been a bit of burden, so if given the opportunity they go for the other. You get most of the perks without the other stuff.
Yes, Zara could be political but politics does not seem to be her thing.
@Lanne – great explanation and very helpful, thank you!
Lanne, excellent post and very informative. I agree with your comments ref B&E, it is their father’s fault they are in this position as not being able to really work in the real world and now they are not needed as full time royals (despite the fact Andrew keeps pushing TQ and Charles to give them full time royal roles as his little darlings aren’t cut out for real work as Z&P are). It does leave them in a bit of a limbo. Anne made a very sensible decision when Z&P were born not to have them titled so they could have the freedom to live as they pleased (within limits, and it has nothing to do with their father not being titled). Little Archie does not need a title to get on in life and I have a feeling his 3 titled cousins could well end up being envious of his freedoms compared to their restrictions.
@Moose, You are really not being fair as B&E cannot due the type of work which Z&P engage in. There is work that B&E (anything in the medical field or philanthropy field) could do but it is not the type of work they are interested in. Eugenie seems to have found her groove. I hope Beatrice does the same.
Archie is a good name for a TV character or a dog… a sweet son of a Prince? No. What an odd choice. Thought they would go with something a tad more sophisticated than that.
I don’t like the name at all. Technically the child does have a courtesy title, they just aren’t going to use it.
Archie means nobly and corageous
I don’t get the name. Also, his parents are HRH and he’s not, that’s weird. With his last name not being Sussex, he’s not baby Sussex. He’s baby Mountbatten Windsor. Omg why?
What do you not get? They are people. They had a child. They named their child Archie. The end.
I’m confused about the surname. Don’t George and Charlotte and Louis go by the surname Cambridge? I thought M & H’s kids would be Sussexes with or without the HRH?
People are literally going overboard Saying things like Ew and complaining Meghan and Harry are Archie’s parents they choose a name that they like . Just because some people in here like the names James or Charles it’s their baby their choose I don’t like the name George but I would never say things like ew and his name is horrible people are being ridiculously .
At some point it was determined that the surname for anyone not using a title who is a direct descent of the Queen would be Mountbatten-Windsor.
Candikat, I don’t think George or Charlotte or Louis actually have surnames since they were born as HRH princes and princesses. The “Cambridge” moniker is just used as their choice to use when they intersect with the real world (like enrolling in school) and they need a surname because that’s how the real world is set up. I think Prince William went to university under the name William Wales but Wales was never his surname.
Under the letters patent Archie doesn’t get HRH until Charles is KIng, but it sounds like they plan to refuse it.
They (Megs & Harry) cannot refuse the HRH on Archie’s behalf. All they can do is not use the title as The Wessexes have done for their children.
As I understand it, Sussex is not a last name. It’s not like Harry is Harry Sussex. He’s still a mountbatten-windsor. Archie doesn’t share the title but does share their surname.
If you do not have an HRH in front of your name you are Mountbatten-Windsor. This will (may) change if/when Charles ascends the Throne.
According to the 1917 Letters Patent issued by George V, Master Archie will become HRH Prince Archie of Sussex assuming his father (Harry) is still alive and Archie has not succeeded to the Dukedom of Sussex. Just because you have a title and/or style does not mean you have to use it day-to-day such as the current Duchess of Wellington who was born HIH Princess Antonia of Prussia.
Isn’t Archie a pretty common name in England? There are plenty of people who have nicknames for names: Harry, Jack, Katie. If this is going to be a situation like Zara, where she just goes by Zara and not a title, I think Archie works well.
But Zara and Peter are not entitled to use courtesy titles since their father was not a peer. Harry is duke, it is a different situation.
I read that when Charles becomes King, Archie will automatically be given the title of Prince. So one day he will be Prince Archie. 😃😃😃
His parents could decline it for him, and I believe they should. Just like the Wessexes declined HRHs for their kids. I suppose, at age 18, the Wessex kids and Archie as well could petition to be recognized as HRHs, but HRH would constrain their lives so much that I can’t imagine why they would. Not having HRH has no effect on their place in the succession, or the state of their trust funds. Having HRH puts tons of restrictions on their lives, and they would not get any real gain from the title. There’s no royal job for them to do. So they would be forever in the York limbo. There’s no benefit to HRH anymore. It’s a dying convention. King Charles should issue a LP stating that only direct-line descendants to the throne (1st born of monarch, then 1st born only of each heir) should be named HRH. That would be a way to further modernize the Royal Family by removing any sense of social status to HRH. HRH should be firmly connected to duty and nothing more. And they should ditch the bowing/curtseying altogether.
“I suppose, at age 18, the Wessex kids and Archie as well could petition to be recognized as HRHs”
Correct. The Wessex kids could petition for proper recognition. Also, unless the 1917 Letters Patent are changed, It would be extremely difficult to deny.
One of the reason that the Earl of Snowdon has been able to do all he has done is because he has no HRH in front of his name.
It’s been getting popular since the year 2000. It’s in the top 20 now. There were about 3,000 newborns named Archie last year.
This is a fun tool for popularity of baby names in the UK (up to 2015):
https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc363/babyindex.html#0,Archie
Also, here (halfway down the page – up to 2017):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45559619
Harrison = Son of Harry.
Also, my son’s name, so I’m biased.
I like the logic behind choosing it. And if the kid decides to go by that instead of Archie, I totally get it. I like Harrison way better.
Archie…one thing is for certain…expect the unexpected from the Sussex’s. Which is why they are so fascinating…not vanilla at all!! I love that they have chosen a normal life for their son. Hopefully the racist Brits and their media leave him alone!!!
But he will not have a normal life.
Okay in the past 5 minutes I have come around to the name. super cute and yes, trendier than I think many of us had expected, but still a nice cute name.
Yeah, it snuck up on me and now it’s just back to looking at photos. I hated the name Louis too and now it’s just a name
@OhNo – I didn’t like George or Louis at first, and now both have grown on me a great deal. George grew on me so fast that I was really tempted to name my second son that (its the name of my great-grandfather and great uncle), but since my oldest is William I figured people might think I was too royal obsessed 😉
That really is too cute! And I completely understand the pros and cons to it
I would have gone with Archibald and called him Archie. I like formal “legal” names. However, I grew up in “The South” where everyone or almost everyone has a nickname.
The more I hear it the more I like it, honestly. I’m glad Harrison wasn’t the first name – I know a few (bratty) kids with that name (given by equally bratty parents). I just was surprised that it wasn’t Arthur or Archibald and “Archie” in quotes signifying a nickname.
I guessed Charlie. I got the -ie part right.
Archie, Archie, Archie…no it doesn’t sound right, not a good
name, I wander who came up with Archibald for first name.
It’s not Archibald though, right? Just Archie.
Not Archibald, just Archie.
The name Archie is a Scottish baby name. In Scottish the meaning of the name Archie is: True and bold.
@deedee, thanks. I love the meanings of names. True and bold is awesome 👏
Yeah Archie without the bald part for a first name is a Scottish thing . When the name was brought over by the Normans the Scots associated the bald part with tonsured monks but liked the first part .
Archibald is used as a surname here beyond the wall
Thanks for sharing this! And now I also see the name as a “See Scotland, we love you. Please don’t leave the UK” move :).
LOL can you imagine getting a job and having someone called Master Archie (or just Archie) as your superior/boss? I don’t think anyone would take him seriously.
Archie is a nice name for a pet or a cute nickname for a young child but it’s immature for an adult.
I dont see why Archie can’t be professional. I mean if Harry as an adult can use his nickname (remember his first name is actually Henry) or other people can simply go by Jake instead of Jacob or whatever…then why can’t someone just go by Archie?
He only gets called Master Archie until he’s 18 or finished school I believe.
I like it (it has Scottish origins), its better than Archibald. It sounds cool when I say it with my Scottish accent. I hope they give him a title at some point 🙁
I love that photo, TQ is basically ‘gimme the cutie pie to eat already’!!!!!
There is no mention of Thomas, so cue a whinge fest in 3, 2…. I think its safe to say the Markle’s have been perm cut out.
I love Archie, don’t like Harrison, sounds more like a surname.
I don’t particularly care about royals, but they look happy and the baby is cute.
I guessed Aiden, so I had the “A” part right, haha.
I like Archie. It’s cute.
LOL they were never going to use one of the most aspirational chav names out there for their kid.
lol probably not, but it’s what I was vibing.
I don’t like when parents don’t consider how the name will land with adults in a professional setting. Archie is cute for a kid but why not a non-nickname for when he grows up? They could have named him Arthur and called him Archie. But he can go by Harrison as an adult if Archie is too cute for a grown man. But the more I think about it Archie is a perfect name for a hard partying, polo playing, aristocratic, entitled, Eton bro.
You forget that the “adults” in twenty years or so will be all the Hailees, Kaylees, Montanas, Brooklynns, Coltons, etc. Archie will fit right in, thank you very much!
@aang…..”But the more I think about it Archie is a perfect name for a hard partying, polo playing, aristocratic, entitled, Eton bro.”…..You have cracked it …Yes!
I know a very sweet little 2 year old named Archie. You just can’t please people with names; may as well please yourself.
I love the name and the photo! HM looks delighted!
Well, the french prononciation sounds really…harsh. but it’s cute. Not HR, but cute
Did someone give her a copy of “The Big Book of Chav Baby Names” and forget to tell her it was a joke?
ha!
I’m just gonna go with they saw my dog Archie’s Instagram and stole it from us
I love it. Love that it’s not the typical royal name. He doesn’t need 4 middle names. I’m really starting to like this couple.
Such a dumb name. I just…no. That’s all I’ve got.
He doesn’t have the prince title, but will he still use Harry’s secondary title? Louise and James are also Mountbatten-Windsor and they’re Lady and Viscount respectively.
No, they forgone ALL titles.
@CEE is that stated outright somewhere?
It’s a shame, though understandable. I was hoping they wouldn’t forgo the title, especially since the racist af media is just looking for any excuse to delegitimise them.
Nevermind about the first part of my reply. I just saw the “Master Archie” bit on Rebecca English’s post. I missed that the first time.
He will eventually be Prince Archie once Charles becomes King. It’s an automatic thing, I guess.
I was wondering that, too, thank you.
I love it! Archie is an old-fashioned jolly-sounding name.
Yes! Sounds like a name from “Larkrise to Candleford.” I love it!
Ha! Both my dad and grandfather were Archies, as well as a dean at my college, so the comments about it being a kid name are pretty strange to me 😀.
It’s pretty old fashioned, though. I think of it as being way more common in the black community (as all my Archies were POC).
They stole Prince George’s nickname! I bet Kate is pissssed
That is pure speculation, and it is NOT George’s name. Anyway I have two nieces who bear the same name, and there is no problem whatsoever. George and Archie will live very different and very separate lives.
Yeah, I thought the same thing…
I like that it isn’t a usual royal name but I do not like Archie at all, Harrison is okay
OMG now it really all falls with the Cambridges! Hope their three children inherit some work ethic from somewhere!
Am surprised that no one has mentioned Archie from Archie comics yet – he has red hair like Daddy. Did they take the name from there? LOL
Twitter is on it. Calling their second child Jughead.
I’m hoping they really love the name, cause come on you are just asking for twitter memes when a red headed man names his kid Archie.
Well if the kid starts wearing bow-ties and three piece suits we could call him Archibald Cox! LOL! LOL!
look – i despise monarchies, hierarchies, inequality and anything of the like, so i try to avoid the royal threads here and the gushing. and am naturally predisposed to antipathy, if not outright dislike of royals and such, including this couple and their family members.
but goddamn, that is an adorable name and an adorable baby. his mom looks like a radiant angel. his dad… whatever. truly, i have no inherent respect for the saxe-coburg-gothas-battenburg-mountbatten-windsors and disliked meghan for marrying into them by default.
like, she has made some missteps (human, duh) – but her baseline soul seems *good*. she deserves so much more than that rotten family.
i second your emotions.
Helen, you left out Glucksburg…Prince Philips real paternal family name!
Thumbs down from me. Just no. 100% no. I’m terribly disappointed.
Good thing it’s not Fluffy Princesses kid then.
It IS a good thing. Because I would never choose “Archie”–never.
You’re being kind of a pill in here. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
I’m thinking it’s a good thing that baby is not Caty’s.
Meghan and Harry choose the name of their child, not you.
No, really? Harry and Meghan chose the name? You don’t say.
I’m allowed not to like it. Just like you are allowed to like it. It’s a gossip forum. We give our opinions. There are opinions in here for and against the name. . . so I’m not exactly sure what your point is.
Awful. Archie is terrible. I also think using a nickname instead of a full name is tacky. Give the child a full name and call him/her by a nickname. Finally, Harrison is so trendy. It would have been nice if they gave a nod to history given their family.
At any rate, I am glad Meghan and the baby are healthy and that Meghan and Harry seem so happy.
Phil is smiling more in this pic than he has in ages! All the grands look very happy.
Archie?? Maybe he’ll go by “Arch” as an adult, or even “Batt” Windsor? It’d be confusing to have 2 Harrys in the same house.
Beautiful baby boy. Horrible first name. I am dumbfounded by this choice. I wasn’t a fan of Prince William’s third child’s first name. But Archie I’m even less of a fan of as a name. Archer I could get behind as a first name. Princess Diana managed to give her sons great names, William and Henry (Harry).
But I’m not British. So what do I know? Maybe Brits think it’s a great name.
He is a beautiful baby, though, Meghan and Harry are clearly over the moon with their litte baby boy.
Why are William and Henry great names? Just cause they’re standard traditional ones you hear every day? If I ever have kids (I won’t) I’m staying hella far away from names like that.
@Caty: CHILL. People are allowed to have opinions different from yours. You’re all over this thread scolding other commenters.
I think Archie is a unique name in this day and age – see Graydon/Jayden/Hayden etc. Also, so much better than Albert or Arthur.
Archie is a traditional name, its really Archibald and goes back centuries but Archibald’s these days get called Archie. George is going to be King not Archie, and Archie sounds nicer than George.
I’m a bit disappointed that the first non-white member of the RF in line to the throne, grandson of the future King, is not titled. I find the optics hard to understand BUT it’s not my kid nor my life so I’m sure his parents made the best decision regarding his future. Now RRs will have to back off – this kid will never be a working royal.
I was too at first, but really, it’s the best choice for this kid’s future. He’s already going to be the most photographed and talked about kid on earth for quite a long time. To saddle him with an HRH would not only mean that he would have all kinds of restrictions on his life (see my earlier post), but also that he would be raised to claim a position that no longer exists. At least when the York women were born, it was still expected that grandchildren of the monarch would be working royals. But now we know they won’t be (and Charles is right–they can’t be. Too much strain on the Sovereign Grant budget and too hard to justify to the public. Imagine the Queen going to parliament and asking for more public money to support more working royals). Not having a title is the best gift his parents can give him. And this is Harry likely thinking about his own life as a spare. Archie’s still #7 in the succession, he’ll still be extremely rich, and he’ll still live a life of privilege. He’s no second-class citizen.
AGREED!!
Such a great explanation!
Lanne – beautifully explained.
@Cee I felt the same way at first but now im thinking it’s a great way to protect him. He can lead a relatively normal life and people can’t complain that they are not letting the public/media see him lots re; Cambridge kids.
Judging by the way his mother has been attacked in the press etc, I don’t blame them one bit. They are protecting their child.
In the long run he won’t have to answer to a King William or a King George, he can lead his own life away from the royal family if he chooses to.
Once Charles is King, he could be Prince Archie if they want him to be.
I felt the same as you, but when I thought about it more I realized it would be a lot of responsibility for him that he might not want. By the time he’s 18, if he decides he wants to take up the mantle of representation, he can petition to be Earl of Dumbarton and/or HRH Prince Archie of Sussex (assuming Charles is king by then). In doing it this way, Harry and Meghan have made it clear that the styling is their choice up to the point that it becomes Archie’s choice—and there’s a lot of power in that.
I think the optics of no title are terrible. It looks like he is second class in the family. All those rascist horrible people are going to use it against them and later in life him.
I actually like it, and typically I don’t like old fashioned names. But for some reason this fits their family, it actually sounds cool. And I bet Harry picked it out, lol.
i love it; and it’s so british. and there’s also an informality to it.
the queen does genuinely look delighted. very sweet group shot.
Archie is a cute name and not unusal here in the UK. Looking at the pictures again, he’s already looking like an Archie.
My mum’s 80 something year old cousin is called Archie and it works for him.
Most of the traditional names such as James, Alexander, Louis, Arthur etc were already taken. Thought something like Jacob or Samuel might have worked but Archie is sweet and really growing on me. As long as they are happy with it, so be it.
But Archie IS traditional , just not a royal traditional name.
That’s true and a name in its own right.
Aw come on y’all. Archie is fine! And only Americans have the comic book connection. I couldn’t see them using a super stuffy set of names anyway. Master Archie is adorable. And I’m not surprised at the lack of a title. He’ll be able to live a more normal life (though he’ll never be poor).
This makes me sad that people are ripping on the name. They must like it for a reason. I named my first son Sheamus (we added the H to make his life a lot easier for pronunciations), and people were so openly rude to us about our name choice, which I was extremely hurt by. They found it unusual and therefore made us feel like we were aliens from another planet for choosing that name. My next pregnancy I refused to tell anybody anything!
My daughters name is June (after her grandmother) and people constantly mock me for it and make fun of her and call her “June July”. People are dumb.
People are so stupid! Btw, I love the name June. I have an aunt June that I adore.
People do make fun of anything. I have a Robert, and got some comments about what an old man name that is. My Bobby is adorable, TYVM.
I’m very fond of the name June, it’s my mother’s name. It’s also my niece’s middle name. 🙂
I immediately thought of Cary Grant when I read the baby’s name was Archie. I’m surprised they chose a nickname as the formal name but I’m learning that’s something of a trend. I like it, though, it’s cheerful and plucky, I think it’ll suit him as he grows up; it suits them all somehow – no pun intended with “suits”, lol. I’m just glad they didn’t go with Alexander, and I had a feeling they wouldn’t use Charles or Philip in the name.
I love the informal photo with the Queen and Doria. The Queen’s smile is always so infectious.
I’m so thrilled for Meghan and Harry. Royalty aside, they seem like genuine, good-hearted people and you can see how in love they are with their son and with one another. And I miss holding a newborn! You just know that weight and how perfect they feel in your arms.
When I was at school we had a Zoe, and back then it was such a strange name but not now.
My grandmother was called Archie (a nickname for Audrey) so I have a positive relationship with the name, but I still think it’s an odd choice for a “given” name. I would have gone w/ Arthur and then called him Archie. Love Harrison though.
That’s such a cute nickname for Audrey.
I like the name Harrison. Archie will have to grow on me. I would have liked Archer or Spencer imo Archie sounds like a nickname. I hope he has red hair with that name.
I really love the name.
I recall that, some years ago, Harry himself, had considered relinquishing his royal titles because of what it did to his mother, and also because of the pressure that the title holds. So, I’m not surprised that he would want to spare his child from that. It will still be an option when Charles is king, anyway.
Archie?? Oh hell to the no. Sound more like a nickname. All of the great names they could have picked. SMH
I don’t know why the -ie or -y sounds like a nickname. Mary is a very common name with that sound. Barry, Lindsey, Shirley are others. What’s wrong with it?
Lindsey is good enough for a US Senator and Shirley was good enough for a US Representative. When Archie is an adult, his name won’t make him sound like a baby or a comic book character. There are plenty of adults with that name now.
I think it just isn’t that common in the US at the moment, but it’s popular in the UK.
To be fair Lindsey is a terrible senator.
Terrible Senator but “Miss Lindsey” is very entertaining! LOL
I completely understand why they don’t want to share as much – everyone is rude AF. Plus he’s “only 7th!”
Archie is super cute, it’s the name of one of my favorite murder mystery characters – Archie Sheridan. I think this kid is lucky to have those two as his parents. Also, I’m making a prediction that he’s gonna grow up to be very attractive – thank Megs for diluting those harsh Windsor features.
People are being so rude it’s a name it was their choice Archie is not a bad name at all people are just being extra today for no reason.
If you go out of the norm at all people always comment about the name, even to non-royals. Generally the kid doesn’t like their name at some point too, so who cares what’s in a name. Apparently, his cousin the future King of England likes it so much he called himself that, so that should get him some points on the playground. If his cousin George ever realizes he’s going to be King of England.
I love Archie–it sounds like a sporty little boy.
Maybe I like it because Amy Poehler’s little red haired boy is an Archie and I always thought it suited him.
I think declining a title means Archie will be free to make his own choices, and I suspect with all that Harry has gone through, that is what he would want for his son.
Lol at everyone so upset on the name they chose for their child and the decisions they’re making regarding the titles. It’s THEIR baby! I’m sure they spend a lot more time on coming up with a name for them than anyone here and I’m sure they thought about how it would transfer over into adulthood. Stop taking it so personally that they didn’t pick the name YOU wanted and just be happy for them! I think it’s a great name.
Any smarter people who can tell me if that’s a painting of the goddess Diana in the background?
Diana was a huntress. That lady looks to be carrying water (?). So I’d say not.
I agree Emby – just thought it would have been a nice touch
“Master Archie” is horrible, but I do like Harrison. Whatever makes them happy though. Many aren’t fond of my naming tastes either. I look forward to seeing who he becomes.
Master Archie will be his formal public name. It is also the address used for minor boys. I forget the age cut off when boys go from Master to Mister.
Downton Abbey…Lady Mary & Matthew’s son is referred to as Master George by the household staff and guest.
Master is just the equivalent to Miss. My son gets letters about his GP appointments etc. addressed to Master [his name].
Say the what, what!?!? Archie. 🤔😳🤨
I like the name. But regarding the no title thing. What’s the point of having monarchy if not for the titles. I fell like this says, we will take all the benefits that come with being part of the system but we see it as a burden. We will use the security, housing, fund our lifestyle, get him into certain schools just because parent are duke and duchess, but keep out of certain aspect of it all. I guess even the people who job is to keep the class system in place knows it’s a terrible one. and please Meghan stan don’t attack me just an observation.
His parents are the ones doing the work, it is only fair that their dependent children share in the benefits. Just like my husband and I worked to provide a roof over our kids and feed them, otherwise what would they do? When he is of age, Archie will have to support himself since he will not be entitled to the royal benefits. So no, he is not “using the system” and neither are Meghan and Harry.
They not using the system is this joke. They get jobs created for them. Harry is is a so call youth ambassador without a college education because of the system. and also my criticism is more about the monarchy AS A SYSTEM.
@letmejustsay…..so people without college education are useless?
Where did i said that ? My statement clearly stated because of the privilege system that he is part, Which according to him is a burden but he will never live it all behind, created the “youth ambassador” position for him without the educational background for it. In the real world without privilege background and proper education he would not be ambassador of anything . I’m sure his wife can tell him all about that cause she tried .
There are many people without a ‘college education’ who have taken on leadership roles and done a lot for humanity. Such roles require attributes that sometimes a ‘college education’ can’t give you.
So – is that they refused the title, or none was offered? Is this a slight on Harry and Meghan, or a typical “normal” thing?
i think it’s the typical “normal “thing they do. never living the system that they see as a burden, but taking all the benefits that comes with it.
I’m assuming no HRH was offered, but I’m sure the Queen would have offered it if Harry and Meghan had wanted it. The fact that Harry and Meghan chose to not even have their son use Earl of Dumbarton as a courtesy title (which was entirely up to them) indicates that they are the ones making the decisions.
This is a fair critique of the system – Anne’s kids get all the privileges of being members of this family but none of the responsibilities and none of the criticisms either. I’m sure there was other examples as well.
@letmejustsay I don’t understand why you are mad that people are operating within a system that they were born into, as the case with Harry, or married into as is the case with Meghan. The system was there before they were born, they did not create it. If the British people want to eliminate the monarchy or the tax payer support which I guess is the issue, then that is their right. But until such time, the Royals will operate within the system. They are limited with the type of jobs they can take (Harry wanted to continue with his military career but was told he had to stop to do the royal work). They can’t participate in politics or have a trade, unless they renounce their title. So they have these ceremonial jobs. What should they do all day, play Xbox and eat cookies? As far as Harry not having a degree, so what? Right now I am working with someone who has no degree. I have two. When I was hired in it was a requirement. When he was hired, they dropped that and went based on experience. Am I mad at him and in a huff? Nope, that is part of life, not everybody gets the same things. So Harry is doing the best he can within the system he was born into. I am not mad because he decided not to torpedo everything in order to go on a different path.
lol i’m not mad. i’m just not falling for the PR that they do any real changes when they job is to keep the class system in place.
I could be wrong but IIRC Harry went to Sandhurst which is the UK equivalent of West Point. If I am correct then I would say Harry has a college degree.
Archie is so British. Like, young, fun, cute British boy that you meet while doing a semester abroad. I’m so here for it.
Great description! Lol I like it.
I don’t feel one way or another about the name itself. But I had hoped they requested/got a title for the boy from the Queen. Especially because he’s black!
Weigh the “cool, black kid’s a prince” against “he’ll be raised to take on a role that no longer exists, and he’ll have to be a public figure whether he wants to be or not”. No title is the much better option. I say this as a woc. He’ll still be on the balcony, no worries!
I’m also a woman of color and I agree with you. On the other hand, I thought having the title would’ve shut some of these pesky courtiers and drama stirring folks up – the ones who have been giving his mother hell since she met and fell in love with Prince Harry. Giving him a title would’ve satisfied the petty side of me. Settling on not giving him a title is probably less drama in general but still gives the nasty folks more ammo – as in, the boy didn’t deserve a title because he is black. Which, that narrative could affect the child too. I know this child wasn’t meant to satisfy my petty urges or have that kind of weight on his shoulders but it sure would’ve broken some of these pesky, chatty, nonsensical fools
Archie will have an HRH style when/if Charles ascends the throne and will be the Duke of Sussex when Harry kicks the bucket. Archie will have a title, just not as a child. Harry can allow him to use one of the courtesy titles of the Dukedom of Sussex anytime Harry chooses.
To stave off all of this drama, they should have pulled a Beyonce and named him “Hisroyalhighness Prince Whatever.” Then those courtiers would have to call him HRH and Prince. And it would have been a lovely tribute to (the artist) Prince.
philip looks like the nosferatu that he is
I think Archie is a fine name, it’s ‘unusual’ and yet has a history to it as well. I long thought that they’d forgo titles too. When Charles ascends to the throne, they’ll have a chance to change if they wish. Honestly, being born into that royal family…being like a Zara or a Peter would be the best case scenario in my opinion.
Archie Mountbatten-Windsor will become HRH the Duke of Sussex…..but I won’t live to see that happen.
Archie is a cute nickname for a child, but it won’t age well.
Archer would have been better.
I’m blaming “pregnancy brain” for this one.
Won’t age well? This kid will be in the peer group of North, West and Stormi. Archie will fit in just fine.
I think Archie sounds more classic than Archer to be honest.
Greatest Generation names are all coming back. My Uncle Archie was a great guy, WWII vet. I like it better than the soon to be dated Archer.
I love the name Archie. I think it’s really cute, and if he ends up taking some of Harry’s or Meghan’s personality as he grows, I think it will really fit him.
Also I find it amusing when people say that having a nickname as a given name is “tacky” or ugly or not a “great name”. And then suggest giving him a “real name” like Arthur but then calling him Archie anyways. It makes no sense to HAVE to do that. If you know you’re gonna call your child by their nickname their whole lives you really don’t need to give them an extended name just to cut it down anyways. That’s more nonsensical to me than just skipping straight to the nickname. Also Archibald and Arthur are definitely not “better” names than Archie, they’re outdated and less phonetically pleasing. Archie is great.
My husband wanted Archibald /Archie I had picked Harrison but with our surname too much we have Orson as I didn’t want to Be able to shorten as I am referred to as Ange (Angela) . I don’t mind it better than Richard.
At first I was all “Whaaaat?” but it’s growing on me. Without the HRH it works. He’s gonna be a spitfire and I can’t wait to watch him grow up. I bet he and Charlotte will be thick as thieves.
That’s where I’m at. I like George and Charlotte as names but I’ll never like the name Louis – especially pronounced Lewy.
Louis pronounced with English or French accent sounds better than done with an American accent.
I call Louis “Lewis” out of spite. I just can’t. Lol
Louis’s the only name of the three I do like.
I like the name and the pic with Doria is so cute
I think of Archie Bunker…who to me made the name “tough” that a guys guy could carry
So is he technically a Lord but they’re just not going to allow him to addressed that way? He’ll just be addressed as Master Archie and when he turns 18, he can decide if he wants to be styled Lord, or since Charles will be king by then, if he wants to be styled Prince Archie? I think that’s what I’ve understood it as.
I think he technically is/could be Lord Archie, Earl of Dumbarton, and he will be able to be HRH Prince Archie when Charles is King. I think it makes sense to have him just be called Master Archie as a kid though because Prince and Earl are similar to adult jobs in the royal family, so maybe they’re waiting until their child is an actual adult before letting him choose his profession. Does he WANT to be HRH Prince Archie and have royal work be his work (it’s probably not going to be an option anyways with the streamlining of the monarchy). Does he want his job to be Earl of Dumbarton? That’s just a courtesy title anyways, it’s not like it comes with actual responsibility of running the Dumbarton estate or something. I guess the “job” of someone with a courtesy title would be to just be a “gentleman of leisure.” Those are adult choices and responsibilities (or lack of responsibilities) that Archie can choose for himself when he gets older. It makes sense to me to just have him be a child as a child, that way you also don’t run the risk of him feeling like his whole life trajectory was chosen for him at birth. He gets to be a kid before assuming/choosing his profession.
Amy Too I feel the same way. He can be a kid and then figure all this out later. I never expected any child of H&M to just lead a life of leisure so the lack of any title isn’t surprising at all to me. I think it’s smart.
Lord titles aren’t just for adults with jobs though. That sounds weird. Every peer who has ever had a son has had a little Lord as an infant and growing up in their household. To me, it’s strange to say it’s limited to adults.
I know that being called Lord Whatever isn’t just for adults, but when you give your child that title, you’re kind of locking them into the future of running your Dukedom/Earldom/family estate whether they want to or not. I think it would be easier for a person to assume the Lord title when they’re an adult if they want it, than to relinquish a title once they became an adult and decided they didn’t want it anymore. I’m choosing to see it as a marker of someone’s profession, almost. Being HRH Prince Harry was a job (being the spare). Being the Duke of Sussex is a job (working on behalf of the monarchy). Being HRH Prince Archie or Earl of Dumbarton would be job titles that signify working on behalf of the monarch and those jobs would start when the child became an adult, so why not wait until he’s an adult to give him the job title?
I think it makes a little more sense to give a baby their dad’s courtesy title and style them as Lord if they’re the child of a peer who has actual land and estates and country homes that have been and will be passed down for generations because inheriting a centuries old hereditary peerage title isn’t really something you can get out of. Someone has to live in that house and manage the estate. Whereas Duke of Sussex/Earl of Dumbarton is a title that was just given to Prince Harry by the Queen. It doesn’t come with an estate that needs to be managed or a spot in the House of Lords. If I’m remembering correctly, there is a difference between the centuries old, hereditary peerage titles and that type of courtesy or “gift” title that the current monarch can give out at her pleasure like the Duchess of Cornwall or the Duke of Sussex. I don’t think those are hereditary, they’re just to be used for the lifetime of the person they were bestowed upon and can be transferred to different people later.
@Amy…..Harry will get an estate which Lord Archie will inherit and that will be Highrove I expect, and become the seat of the Dukes of Sussex, that is how it will work. Little Archie will definitely have a title one day.
@PrincessK
Highgrove belongs to the Duchy of Cornwall which William will inherit when he becomes Prince of Wales. IF Harry wants Highgrove then he will need to buy it from the Duchy of Cornwall. Charles can’t just give it to Harry.
@Amy Too, you’re right that the dukedom of Sussex doesn’t come with lands or assets like many non-royal dukedoms. But it is hereditary. For example, the Duke of Gloucester and Duke of Kent will pass the titles on to their sons when they die, they’ll just become non-royal dukedoms. Harry has now had a son, so he will do the same with Sussex (although it will remain a royal dukedom for Archie’s generation, as long as Charles becomes king).
If he took the courtesy title he would be Archie, the Earl of Dumbarton or Lord Dumbarton. He would not be Lord Archie.
Tina, Thanks for letting me know about royal Dukedoms. How long will the Duchy of Sussex be around as a royal dukedom? Is it until the line dies out when a future Duke of Sussex doesn’t have a son? or is it just for a set amount of years/generations? If it’s passed down indefinitely, eventually there are going to be future Dukes of Sussex who will be pretty far removed from the working royals of the future, and it seems slightly weird to me that they could still be passing down a royal dukedom if they’re such distant relatives to whoever the monarch will be at the time. Will we have royal dukes of the future who have to get real jobs and live in the real world since their title didn’t actually come with an estate?
HRH stops with the great-grandchildren in the male line of a monarch unless that person is the heir…i.e….HRH George Cambridge.
I like it. It’s cute. They chose Harrison for son of Harry. There’s no other meaning for it.
I think Harrison is a hell of a pun! As for Archie its been a popular name in England for a number of years. I think it’s no 15 and rising among boys names, rather like Alfie, which is also popular. I think people will get used to the name, just as they got used to Charles and Diana’s son being Harry not Henry, in spite of shock at first.
Harry has been consistent about his HRH being a disadvantage in his eyes. I don’t even think he wanted to be a Duke. So the fact that the baby won’t be known as Earl Dumbarton if Harry has anything to do with it is going along with that. He may use it when he’s older though, and he’s still heir to Harry’s dukedom of Sussex. But I think it’s pretty definite that Archie won’t be an HRH in Charles’s reign.
it’s not a pun. this is how a lot of scandinavian names originated – johnson is son of john, anderson is son of anders, ericson, etc.
Eh… I like it.
The name really fits with the two of them. I mean, they did not even use their given names in their wedding vows, Rachel and Henry, so this just jives with that as well.
I think its really cute. Im surprised it isnt something more formal like Archibald….but I guess this child is so far down the line at this point that it doesnt mattter, I wonder if we’ll see Archie rise on the name charts now.
I like the name Harrison but when your Dad is called Harry I think it’s too on the nose. Archie stops being cute once the kid is not so little anymore. I’m not fond of these infantilised names, they sound like names for a pet. I know several Archie pups. Oh well. Could’ve been worse. I’m sure he’ll be adorable regardless of the name.
They both look so happy and I hope they’re enjoying this very special time.
I didn’t think of Archie. It reminds me of the comics. It would have to grow on me. Good news – the baby is not named Thomas or any Markle!! Cue the trail of tears.
Wow is that baby every jaundiced.
Lemme guess-you’ve only ever seen a white newborn?
I legit thought it would be Dorian, named after her mother Doria since it’s a boy. Dorian Charles or Dorian Phillip would have been SO cute. Archie????? I can only think of Archie Comics.
Yes, thought maybe Dorian Spencer to honor both mothers!
I really like it. I was expecting some super stuffy/boring name. Welcome to the world baby Archie!
Love Archie
I’m okay with it. Sure they would have been less fuss if they used Archer (which I actually like more) but Archie isn’t that bad. Harry also never goes by Henry, so maybe he didn’t want to give his children more full first names if they are always going by nicknames.
Archer is a cool name but when I heard that name I automatically think of the show Archer on fx .
I agree Archer is a great name, a very strong name that could have been shortened to Archie.
When Archie is christened we’ll learn if it’s short for something (Archibald, Archer, whatever). Back in the day, the Catholic and Anglican Churches wanted at least one of the baby’s names to be a saint, or Biblical in some way. But I have a feeling that that rule is not really followed.
It’s a lovely photo, Doria looks lovely and that’s the happiest I’ve seen Prince Philip in a long time.
Archer is a loooovely name. Never met someone with that name. Man, I hope it’s something more formal like that for the birth certificate.
@HudsonGirl Doubtful that a name like Archer would be Validated by her Maj. It’s as much a (historical) profession as Cooper, Miller, Chandler, Wheeler, Tay(i)lor &c. Meghan may be very down to earth, but old working class surnames/trade designations would probably be given a wide berth.
Oh hell no. What a godawful name to give to a child. And the Queen approved this?!
Anyway, the Queen and Philip both look delighted with the baby.
The Queen’s approval isn’t needed.
Archibald! Archie is a short version. So from now on I will think of my uncle Archie, who has long since passed away every time I hear this babes name.
I do not like the name. It is ugly.
Such a ninny…
It’s cute. A little unexpected if Archie is full first name (rather than Archer etc). But it’s fine. Made me smile when I read it- baby Archie! Definitely lacks pretension, which seems to be a goal for them.
I also love that he doesn’t have 3 useless middle names.
So I just took a look at Archie from the comic book and he has red hair. We also have Harrison – Harry’s son….the kid has red hair! If so the red hair is a Spencer trait…Diana would be proud….I should like a Royal Reporter with all the speculation..LOL
I was hoping for Henry Jr. (or Harrison- perfect!) with the nickname Hank. Bummed I lost my office pool. Archie is very, very casual, more of a nickname, but I’m sure we’ll get used to it.
I don’t like it at all, so I shall keep calling him Polo Baby in my head.
I like it! Harrison is a name I’ve always liked for a boy.
Also, HARRISON as in HARRY’S SON! LOL I’ll leave now.
All I hear is Edith Bunker shouting “Aaaarchie!”
Lol!
I like Harrison. No on Archie. I mean, really?
I am not really a fan of Archie, but I like the combo Archie Harrison.
I like it! I think H&M are doing a good job of showing that they are making their own choices for their family within the confines of the BRF and don’t care what others think.
Archie is …RHOC Shannon ‘s dog.
No comment.
My niece has hamster called Val…no comment
I would normally be like “Archie? Really?”, but omg Meghan is just GLOWING in these pics and I am literally just so excited and happy for her and her happy healthy family right now!
I like it! Definitely not what I was expecting though. He can go by ‘Archie’ while he’s young and he always has the option of ‘Harrison’ when he’s older. I also like the theory the Prince George knew and that’s where he came up with ‘Archie,’ as it would indicate the two families are on better terms than we might think. Sorry, my family fights enough as it is, I’d rather think of them all getting along lol
Jeesh, why so negative? Archie is adorable.
The whole “he didn’t get a title” is a moot point, why take a lesser title now, when once Charles becomes king, any child(ren) of Harry will also be entitled to using HRH and Prince or Princess as the male line descendants of the sovereign.
I think it’s kind of weirdly informal for what is essentially a very formal family. However, it’s not my kid. Meg and Harry had a long time to pick names and this works for them.
I was hoping for a D name in there for their moms, but maybe next time.
“I think it’s kind of weirdly informal for what is essentially a very formal family.”
That’s pretty much the point? They’ve made it abundantly clear they aren’t trying to be the stuffy royals or yore.
Eh, I don’t think it’s weird. He’s 7th in line and his parents declined titles for him. I think I read there was an uproar when Zara was named, but she was in the same kind of situation so it really didn’t (and doesn’t) matter in the end.
Exactly this. Some people are reacting as if there will eventually be “King Archie” and I just can’t see that ever happening. If there are more Cambridge offspring, or when George and his siblings start having kids of their own, dear Archie will only fall farther down in line. Let’s face it, once the kid is an adult he will be on the periphery (relatively speaking) in royal circles, and that sounds like exactly how his parents want it, so why not give him a normal-sounding name.
My thinking was that he’s still in the line of succession (grandson of future king) so they might go with a more traditional name and a cute nickname. I was surprised, that’s all.
Again, it’s their baby and it’s not like they named him Pilot Inspektor.
In the time it’s taken me to read the headline, absorb the post, ask a few questions, and get to the (current) bottom of the comment thread, I’ve totally come around from “Archie, huh,” to “the name is adorable.” I’m also glad they were allowed to give their baby the name they wanted, rather than being persuaded into something more traditional they may not have liked as much.
Me too. I didn’t like it when I first heard it, but by the end of the thread I thought it was quite cute.
God help this kid if he comes out with red hair and then looks like the comic book Archie.
LOL.
Anyhow, I like the name.
I’m glad I wasn’t alone in thinking that. The first think I thought of was the red haired Archie comics character.
Harrison – Harry’s son
I also think that we will soon learn that Harrison may have some other meaning to the couple as well.
I like the name, Archie. Meghan and Harry look very happy. Beautiful family!
I suppose “Master” is in reference to a minor (age). And will Archie be titled in the future, if the parents accept it, by Charles when he becomes King?
I’m not keen on the name but I like that he is not called after anyone. Choosing a name that is not a traditional Royal name suggests that Harry and Meghan want their child to have as normal a life as possible. I imagine they hope to give him a similar upbringing to the Phillips and Wessex children.
I don’t really like it. I was def on team Arthur, but I’m sure it’ll grow on us.
Pippa’ s kid name is Arthur…Arthur has been done to death.
The photo of Archie being introduced to his great-grandparents is lovely!
Lovely? More like iconic.
It’s lovely and iconic. TQ and PP look so happy, and Doria looks serene and loving. Great photo for the times and the history books. Too bad PC wasn’t there to complete the generational scene. But, congratulations to all of them!
Yes!
Odd. Wasn’t there just a story a few weeks ago that Kate called one of her kids “Archie” as a nickname?
I remember when Harry walked behind his mother’s coffin wondering how a child could get over that…it is WONDERFUL to see him so sincerely happy with the outcome of his life. On that front, the name Archie well…they are happy and healthy and that is all that matters.
Lovely to see Doria hanging out with the TQ and Prince Philip…Papa Smirkle must be having a conniption.
He could have been part of that wonderful experience, and never have to worry about money or security…I can’t work out what he turned on his daughter like that and so publicly.
I agree, Harry has really turned his life around since his wild-child days (in his teens he was banned from a pub just down the road from where we live!) and I love that is he so obviously in love with his wife and now little Archie too! He has grown into a fine young man, a role-model. His Sentebale and Invictus Games achievements are inspirational (take note Wandering Willy). Also think it is fabulous how Doria has been accepted as part of the family, she is so beautiful and gracious and has behaved with dignity and loyalty throughout (Papa Smirkle needs to learn from this….).
I agree. Totally agree! Genuinely. Additionally, I wonder how we, the public, characterize it. Does “dignity” equal “silence”? I hope not.
To be clear: Pops Markle clearly went through something and has some proving to do, no doubt. He doesn’t deserve to be there right now. But maybe with a little counseling, etc…maybe he’ll surprise us in years to come.
I say that because the royals are all about “mental health,” and I suspect that Pops Markle has some mental health issues to address — and there’s nothing wrong with getting help.
In Britain Archie is not a diminutive of Archer, but Archibald.
Not sure what side of the Atlantic the Sussexes are going for, here – but will be interesting come the christening!
Understand Harrison but we DO know it IS Harry’s son, LOL! My choices would have been: Alexander Spencer James or now even
Spencer Harrison James or Alexander Harrison Spencer. Archie does seem very informal but, of course, it is the parents prerogative. Disappointed there was no nod to Diana or MM’s African American heritage. As much as Harry loves Africa (as did Diana), was surprising they didn’t take some “meaning” from there. Archie deriving from German seemed a bit odd, imo.
What IF Prince George spilled the beans by telling people his name was Archie and that’s what cause the brothers to have a beef. 🤷🏼♀️
Unexpected yet trendy and cute. I think of RIVERDALE. The hit show that the main characters name is Archie Andrews.
Cute baby. Awful name. Gahhhh.
I think it’s a really great name, I just wish it didn’t make me think of Archie Andrews. I love that “Harrison” is “Harry’s son.” So sweet, and so happy for this little family.
Archie also lived in a pink castle in Balamory (British kids TV programme), but I still love the name for Baby Sussex!
This is a good time for everyone to watch season one of The Crown on Netflix.
The Mountbatten-Windsor surname is explain thoroughly. The Queen wanted to appease her man, yet keep the Windsor name.
I love Doria. That is all.
Love the names and can even hear the butler asking “Will that be all Master Archie?” In a snooty voice. Such a posh sounding name.
It’s straight out of a PG Wodehouse novel, and that’s honestly why I love it so much.
I was kind of meh, and startled, about Archie but its starting to sound better to my inner ear. It might be super popular in Britain right now but I can’t think of any American babies in my sphere that have that name. Also, just personally not a fan of nicknames as the given name. Use the full name, call the baby whatever you like – but gives the person the option to perhaps someday use the full version of their name when they’ve grown into it.
I picture them hearing the cute story of George calling himself Archie and going home from Kate and William’s and whispering in bed to each other “can we just steal the name Archie for us because I love it …”
The name Archie reminds me of Mark Strong’s character from RocknRolla. But it’s still cute. I think it’ll work fine. Maybe it doesn’t seem that great at first glance, but there’s no reason it can’t be a cute name for a little kid and a good name for an adult. At least they didn’t recycle the same six names for the umpteenth time.
Awful first name but my husbands middle name is Harrison and that’s what I hoped to name our not yet born child sooo I’ll allow it but yuck to archie
He has his own name and hopefully will be his own person.
Master Archie!!!
Doria has an invisible halo! She has a calming and commanding presence. She is a beautiful lady. I am happy that Meghan has a wonderful mother who loves and supports her.
Papa Markle must be rolling in cinders because he and screechy Sam (thing1) cannot manipulate Meghan and Harry into a photo op with their baby. I detest TM and that thing1.
Can’t stand either of them, they do not deserve to be anywhere near this beautiful baby contaminating him with their negativity and nastiness…
How sweet is it that Harry was the one holding the baby in those pictures? He is such a proud papa, and Megan and he are so loving with each other. She can tell how meaningful this is to him.
If “Master” is the alternative, maybe ask for a title.
Master usually used to address young boys under the age of 16 in the UK – because Mister is considered inappropriate for a child so young. All of my brothers were referred as Masters in several official documents as children and we are nowhere near aristocracy/royalty believe me lol.
They must be watching netflix Riverdale episodes. I wonder if the little guy has orange hair or not? Anyways,not a fan of this name but I think we’ll see his little personality and come to love it eventually. To each his own lol
I love his name. It suits him. Also, all young boys here in the UK have the title Master in documents. My son gets letters and documents addressed as Master Oliver and Miss is for young girls. I guess this just highlights how they want him to be raise as normal as possible.
How do you know it suits him? You don’t know him. His parents are still getting to know him. A bit presumptuous and narcissistic for a stranger who doesn’t know him at all to decide it suits him.
His parents chose that name for him and probably thought it suits him, so I guess that would make them narcissistic as well? Go back to the dm commentary boards.
If he’s 7th in line for the throne, he should have a title. I feel there’s a lot of background racism for the reasoning of depriving him of a title when he should have one.
I think Harry & Meghan opted not to have him styled with a title.
I think if harry and Meghan wanted him to have title they would have given him. Either way hes a son of a Duke and when harry dies he will keep that Dukedom going unless hes doents want it.
Why do I see Archie as being an actor one day, lol? Starring Archie Windsor! Somehow it just fits.
I have to say, I didn’t really like it when I first heard it, but then it grew on me. It’s just a really really posh name, and I really love it for that reason alone. I just wish it had been Archibald and not just Archie, because the full poshness of the name Archibald Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor is just too much.
I’m really surprised that they’ve decided against any title entirely. Like, he’s the son of a duke, and he won’t even be addressed as such?? That’s a bit left field, and really weird to me. Huh.
That’s because he will become a Prince once Charles is King. In the meanwhile, the press has zero reason to ask questions about their son. It’s pretty smart of them actually.
I know he’ll be HRH Prince Archie of Sussex when Charles is king, and if Harry and Meghan decide they want the title for their child. But again, he is the son of a duke. Under any other circumstances, his name would be preceded by Lord, even if he doesn’t have a courtesy title, so it would be Lord Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor. It just seems to me like it’s much easier to go with that, and then have him be called Archie Mountbatten-Windsor at school or elsewhere. He’s going to become a Duke someday anyway, why squirrel that fact away?
Hated it…then loved it. My 2nd son is named August and everyone hated it until they LOVED it… now friends are borrowing the name.
So why is George called ” George Cambridge” and Archie is not called “Archie Sussex” ?
Because George is an HRH.
Ok, so when Charles becomes king, then he will be Archie Sussex?
Only if Harry and Meghan choose to style him as HRH when that happens (I’m assuming the Queen will not live for another 18 years). Since they haven’t chosen to give him Earl of Dumbarton, I wouldn’t imagine they would decide to style him as HRH at that point, giving him a new surname as you correctly point out. (The other thing is that it is possible that the Queen might outlive Charles, and none of this would be relevant).
“(The other thing is that it is possible that the Queen might outlive Charles, and none of this would be relevant).”
@Tina, This has always been my gut feeling…Charles would not out live his mother.
I think Harrison is son of Harry, not a name from Meghan’s side of the family.
I like it. I wouldn’t have been my first choice, but I like it.
I do find it interesting the different reactions that seem to be generally split down the Atlantic with some exceptions.
Archie is a common name, not just nickname here in the U.K., and it’s definitely been on my own list before too (and I usually lean towards more traditional names, so it can’t be THAT far out if I like it).
From some of the reactions, you would think they just named their kid “Tiger Lilly” or something.
Also I was thinking that they are planning to fit him in the world, so to speak, more like Zara and Mike’s children tban Kate and William’s. And the small first step is no title, a non typical name, for the statement that makes about how they see his life at this early day. I do wonder if a Brit commenter would say is it possible the title might be given later when Charles is King ? And Archie is then a grandchild of the monarch ?
Archibald|Archer by all means shorten it to Archie, but Archie doesn’t sound right as a proper first name
I love the name. I don’t think Archie is any more “old man” than George, nor is it any more unfitting for an adult than Harry. I actually think it’s a delightful choice for the son of a man who has gone by a nickname his entire life—and whom many people don’t realize is actually named something different. And I think that Harrison, while generally slightly overdone, in this case was the absolute perfect choice for Harry’s son. My only change is that in my head I will always call him Prince Archie.
“My only change is that in my head I will always call him Prince Archie.”
Haha. Same here. Prince Archie, First of His Name. He’s adorable!
Love that they came right out with the Mountbatten-Windsor surname.
Lord Mountbatten was instrumental in India’s INDEPENDENCE (Viceroy’s House is fun on Netflix!). So there’s some subliminal messaging there, in the confines of the royal family. Yes, I understand that all non-HRH heirs are Mountbatten-Windsors after Queenie made that compromise with her hubby….but the secondary meaning — proudly coming out with Mountbatten-Windsor (whereas the rest used courtesy titles, etc…..) is worthy of a tip of the hat. I can’t remember any other couple in the family coming out so proudly with the mouthful surname.
I love it all! So happy for them!
It hurts my heart to hear people call a child’s name awful or ugly. I had people call my name weird and terrible often as a child because my Mom chose a very unconventional one for my era. It really hurt my feelings too. Archie may not be your cup of tea but it’s hardly awful or ugly imo. If you think it is you don’t have to say it – I don’t like it will do.
I’m just here to say that my favorite psychology prof from college is the person TIME magazine contacted to find out the meaning of the name. I learned so much about psych from Dr Evans… and SO MUCH about names!
If someone pointed this out sorry, I didn’t read all the comments but I used to live in Utah and this is such a Utah thing but I think Harrison is Harry’s son. And wasn’t it speculated that PG goes by Archie?
Uff da. That’s a name, I guess.
They look radiantly happy and that’s what matters.
I love the name. I think Archie is darling and very unexpected. My first name also ends with “ie” and people often ask me if it’s short for something. So I am not surprised that many people feel like it’s not a full/ proper name. However, I personally love my more unique name and I think Baby Sussex will have no problem rocking that name at any age.
I’m disappointed that he doesn’t have a title. I can understand why but having a POC be titled means the same racist courtiers and people who so despise POC would have to bow down to him. To be called a Prince/Duke in a country that colonized and and still treat POC badly, would have the racist losing their minds. It would have been so pleasing that even if you hated him simply for his existence, he would have outranked. Title also means power. Yes, I know he will have power regardless because of his family; but the title itself is a form of power in itself. It would have so much meaning for POC to see a prince/duke who looks like them. Plus I don’t think Eugene & Beatrice we’re prohibited from working because of titles. They are just lazy, especially considering all the vacations they take and using tax payers money for a wedding extravaganza nobody cared about. If Archie really hated the title and it’s restrictions, he could have given it up
Archie makes me only think a green parrot….
I love the name Archie, it’s very popular these days. Harrison makes me think of Harrison Ford…
TBH I seriously don’t mind about the name. He could be Horatio Hornblower for all I care. He’s healthy and they seem so incredibly proud and so happy. Isn’t that the most wonderful thing?
And that photo of the generations of family around that baby, all with genuine love and delight shining on their faces… that’s the gold right there I think.
Oooh that name is adorable. Archie means bold and brave, Harrison means, son of Harry, so they named him bold and brave, son of Harry. I mean….it may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but they gave that baby a name that means something. It is truly beautiful.
My own real name is very english and french and I love it. It means something and is a name that represents me well. It’s clear that Meghan and Harry wanted the same with their baby.
Sorry ! Archie I could never get used to Archie, all the Archie I know are dogs or rabbits.Archer would have been better or they could name her Harrison Archie. Parents often give names without thinking that their children will not always be babies.
Mmm… nah. Not liking either name, really. But then, it is better than some of the seriously old-fashioned names the royals usually come up with, like George and Arthur.
Archie is a popular name in the U.K.
Welp, Mr. IMUCU guessed Archibald a couple of months ago, so he was pretty close!