Can I just suggest something to all of the royal-watching peeps out there? When there’s a particularly juicy angle on a story, feel free to tweet at me here at @KaiseratCB. You Celebitches sent me the link to the Sun story about Rose Hanbury’s marriage, but I didn’t see the whole “the Sun changed their online story after publication” angle until I had already finished writing it up and had already published it. So that’s my explanation – I really didn’t know. The Sun, the Daily Mail and other outlets will sometimes change, update or mysteriously edit their articles after publication – that’s nothing new and we do it here too, everything is always changing in the gossip world. But this story felt like something else happened.
The Sun’s story on Rose Hanbury read as some kind of bizarre coded message about how Rose’s life kind of sucks now because the Duchess of Cambridge successfully phased her out of their Norfolk “Turnip Toff” society, and maybe Rose’s husband is gay or bisexual and he’s never at home, he’s too busy partying in Paris with his dude friends. But this was edited out of the original online-published story:
Now Rose Hanbury's brother is being asked questions about her relationship with Prince William. Rose and William enjoyed some suppers together, while Kate was not there. Come on Sun, stop beating around the bush and report the full story. #PrinceWilliamAffair #FreeSpeech pic.twitter.com/xSRdF430dh
— Emma-Wickes (@WickesEmma) June 13, 2019
The edited version I read Friday morning was missing the last two paragraph/quotes:
“It seems to have started because she had one or two suppers with William in Norfolk when Kate was away.”
“But it was hardly as if they were meeting behind Kate’s back – of course she knew they were getting together. And Kate was grateful that a good friend and neighbour like Rose was there to entertain William.”
I mean… doesn’t it actually make it MORE of a thing that these two quotes were included in the original story and then later edited out? And again, who is this coming from? The whole piece is rather bizarre if it’s from Team Rose trying to make her seem sympathetic. It’s also bizarre if it’s coming from Team Cambridge as an attempt to dunk on Rose.
As for these quotes… if you take them at face value, I actually sort of believe them. As in, I believe that Kate “knew” that William was cheating on her, and maybe even knew that Rose was the other woman. But as I keep saying: Kate has ALWAYS turned a blind eye to William’s infidelities. I know that comes as huge news to people who thought Kate and William were the most perfect and keen couple ever, but throughout Kate’s Waity Decade, William was always running off with other women and Kate just accepted it. That’s what I keep getting stuck on: if Kate was so used to William’s infidelities, why did Kate make the move to phase out Rose so suddenly? Is it because Rose wasn’t just some meaningless one-nighter? That’s what I’m starting to wonder: if all of this happened because William and Rose actually had feelings for each other and the Cambridges’ marriage really was “under threat,” or at least Kate thought it was.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red.
It’s more and more clear that Rose and William were lovers.
I was shocked it made pages on Sunday again. Whatever William did to silence the press did not work, this is going to be a slow drip which is the worst type of scandal. Kate and Rose should have been seated closer to each other at dinner and interacted on camera. The optics were not good for shutting down the story.. Kate needs to get with royal program, unfortunately that’s how it’s done. Leaving Rose to hang with gossip journalist was silly too.
@Chica I sort of agree with that, sort of don’t. At the state dinner, putting them together even for a minute would have seemed forced and obvious. I thought for sure though they would show up at the Houghton Horse Trials, even if Rose wasn’t there, just to show that there was no bad blood.
But, in general, can you imagine the scrutiny any kind of photo op like that would cause? Heck you have people speculating that Harry and Meghan are on the brink of divorce because of a few minutes on the balcony. If Rose and Kate met in public…..I cant even think of the body language articles we would get, lol.
When Rose didn’t wear her wedding ring and purposefully engaged with gossip editors during the State Dinner I knew she was playing some sort of long game. They may be encouraging/pressuring her to stay silent, but she’s obviously not ready for the story to die just yet. I wasn’t convinced Rose leaked the story before, but that move gives the theory more weight in my mind.
When you’re being accused of sleeping with a married future king, you do not attend a heavily publicized function like that, with not only your husband but also your alleged lover and his WIFE, and not wear your wedding ring. They have enough money to buy a dozen replacements even if she lost the original.
There is no way in hell she’s unaware that the world plays “ring-watch” whenever there are whispers of an engagement or marital strife. Just like they play “belly-watch” the moment two famous people get married. Rose knows this and now I’m inclined to believe she’s the one quietly keeping this story alive.
@VaVa – I can see what you are saying about the wedding ring. (Although I think someone said she was wearing it, just on her right hand, which she apparently sometimes does.) If there was no truth to this story, or if there is truth and they are trying to quiet the rumors, it would seem to me that she would wear her wedding band on her left hand etc. That just seems like an obvious PR move.
Not wearing it is just one more thing that keeps the speculation going, but I guess my next question is why would she want to keep the story alive? To punish Will and Kate? To show Kate that she CAN keep the story alive? Because she is still having an affair with William and wants him to leave Kate? (I don’t believe that last one to be the case.)
@Becks I think some British/European people have always worn their wedding rings on the right hand so maybe it’s an Aristocratic thing?
“she’s the one quietly keeping this story alive” I was going to say to what end, but maybe she does want William to leave Kate or she’s gunning for the title of Mistress Consort. Escort Consort?
@Chica71: I don’t think it would’ve been appropriate to try that at something as important as a state dinner (I could only imagine how well that PR attempt would’ve gone down), but a brief appearance at the Houghton Horse Trials would’ve put a lot of the gossip to bed. Even arranging a ‘casual/candid’ sighting of the two women chatting in a Norfolk shop would’ve helped. That they haven’t done so is interesting. Either the Cambridges are too dumb on the PR front (which…we’ve seen evidence of time and again) or something *really* big went down between Rose and Kate.
@Becks: I initially thought Rose was wearing her wedding band on her right hand, but it turned out to be a normal ring with a dark stone. So she wasn’t wearing her wedding band that night, and I do think it was intentional/trolling on her part.
@Beachdreams – yup, totally with you on the photo op. I know I said above the body language would be scrutinized, but it would also be a relatively easy to way to kill this story. Kate and Rose bump into each other at the horse trials, they laugh, exchange kisses on the cheeks, and move on. Or they are spotted shopping together, or walking around Norfolk, etc. SOMETHING. I feel like that would be the most effective way of killing these rumors, body language discussion aside.
Instead we’re getting this slew of articles about Rose and how isolated she is in her palatial home in Norfolk.
William made this story a story and kept it alive.
I suspect it was as simple as once Kate told William to come home or felt threatened control was lost and she triggered this mess. Only for William to blow it up.
“Supper” and “entertain” are euphemisms, I’m sure. As in, they supped together in the biblical sense.
Mrs Krabapple,
Of course they are euphemisms and this whole ‘rural rivals’ story has been reported in coded language. The question is WHY were those two sentences removed. It goes to the reason as to WHY Kate reacted to the affair.
RUMOR. From what I’ve been able to pick up from stories, comments and a co-worker in London is this: Anmer Hall has an in-law apt for use by the Middletons when they visit. Completely self-contained, with bath, kitchen, other rooms and its own SEPARATE entrance. It appears William uses it as a man cave of sorts and Rose visits him there.
That is why “suppers together” report is so dangerous and needs to be deleted. It gets too close to the truth: Will and Rose spent time alone in his separate apt. in Kate & his children’s home.
A complete disaster on his part and, yes, conventional wisdom is Rose was gunning to replace Kate.
Why would rose want to replace Kate? Conventional wisdom supports she would not. Unending bad press. Work for a living or at least be expected to. All for a man losing his looks that has a known bad temper and cheats? He’s not a catch.
Fun without the commitment sure. Replacing? Why go through the trouble.
I couldn’t resist so tempting invitation to share a juice angle of a story. Actually there are many little pieces that, if they are single don’t mean anything, but if put together, they give you a nice picture. First: the RF dinner for RF from Spain. Kate arrived smiling and relaxed. At the table, she looked like if she was being fed fried human fingers. Doesn’t mean anything until you know that Rose was scorted by Harry and probably sitting very near Will and Kate. Second: by the time Harry’s wedding, Kate was to the point of breaking in two pieces, so thin she was; no tabloid talked about; there’s one picture of an event with the four: Harry, Meghan, Will and her that scared me: she looks like a witch so thin and angular is her face. Third: on Express and Daily Mail had two or three articles about Kates’ fingers with a bandage ( a bandage on a finger worth of an article!!). Fourth: the article about Rose appeared all over. Fifth: Rose, married to a very wealth men shows up in a Royal banquet with a dress worn in another event, no jewels, no wedding ring, and worse, no tiara. Come on. Her husband holds an important place on the royal household, walking ahead the Queen on the procession for the state dinners. Gossip? Yes. Untrue? Hardly. Probably this one was going to wear Kates’ shoes. That’s why she got nuts and made the scandal. The other ones weren’t a threat. This one is (or was).
I suppose you can make the argument that it’s one thing to deal with his infidelity is when you’re in your 20s, and another one you’re married and have three children and he was cheating on you while you were pregnant.
+1
William’s behavior could not be good for Kate’s self esteem.
Kate’s self esteem had to have been in the dumps from the get-go. Her mother seems to have pushed hard for both daughters to “marry up”.
The “You’re nobody till you’re married to somebody” message is caustic and damaging.
Apparently Roses mother was exactly the same and very pushy about it, that’s why all three girls are married to titles.
+2
And there may be potential feelings involved on the part of William and Rose.
The thing is, she looked pretty content during her last pregnancy, and positively GLOWING afterwards. I don’t think she’s looked as happy or at ease as she has since Louis. Even her interacting with William seems…content…? They actually *seem* happier together now… I don’t know what to think at this point.
maybe she knew about this along time ago and they have worked through it before it became public. We will never know that part
@(TheOG)@Jan90067 – I have seen things a little differently. It seems to me that Kate has looked thin and distressed lately. When I look at W + K interactions, it seems all business. K takes delight in her children, clearly, but I think there is tension between she and Little Willy. Just my two cents …
I beg to differ. If you check the pictures taken the last years, Will changed a lot his facial expression: he always looked like a normal, happy guy. The last year, or year and a half, he looks like if he’s smelling something very unpleasant. Even the smile looks forced. Kate has a hard face. Like if she was ready to bounce. That hardness wasn’t there before. Never. Comparing two different but similar things: Kate’s hard face now with Princess Charlene eyes. All the pictures taken of Charlene before the marriage show sparkling eyes. Now, her eyes are like windows of an empty house. The same with Kate’s face. It’s hard, it is without real joy. Something she had before.
I think you can’t even compare the two. On again/ off again college romance is nothing like being married, with children. Why wouldn’t Kate be furious IF this was true?
Also, with someone connected to their inner circle?! That would make it much worse.
Yes. She might not have even seen them as infidelities before, if they were still exploring the future of the relationship. Very different after the whole world has seen them reunite, marry, have children.
I don’t really know any of those fairy tales where someone who cheated regularly during a pre-marital relationship suddenly becomes faithful once you put a ring on it. The ring is not magical and spreading that false belief is damaging.
in this digital age, news travels fast and once it’s out, one cannot not easily fix it. I’m sure back in the day these relationships were hush hush. Everyone knew and it was understood as well as excepted. Now you have a different generation with digital media at their hands. That too changes the rules. One slip up, and it if it gets out, it is out there. As I’ve said before, we don’t truly know what has happened but something has since this is still a story and how Wills reacted. Kate knows how Wills is. It’s nothing new. Maybe she thought settling down with kids would change that, since he saw what it did to him and Harry and wouldn’t want to do that to his own kids. BUT, I learned long ago you can’t change a man. Especially one how is entitled and spoiled like this one. Sad in all
Honesty, she can’t throw herself into charity work because that may set Wills off too (Kate being favored over him) so she focuses on the kids and renovations at the house.
All I can think when reading these articles is what would’ve happened if Wills had had the common sense and self-restraint to not run to Richard Kay when that first innocuous article was published. He totally showed his hand and now the hits keep coming.
Willy Windsor, PR genius
I know This is not the point but I never get sick of seeing both of those dresses!
The dresses are beautiful but Rose looks haggard and Kate’s Cruella is showing. Makes me cringe. Only thing to look at are the dresses.
I really don’t think Kate is looking at her in that picture. Kate is looking past her because if she was looking at her, Kate’s head would be turned further to her left. I realize I’m probably the only one here who thinks Kate isn’t looking at her, but that’s how it seems to me.
Lady D, seems that way to me, too. Kate and William are looking *past* Rose to someone on the other side of Rose.
Lady D—I think same, thank you for saying this!!!!
I absolutely love the pic for the lovely dresses being worn so beautifully by Kate and Rose. (I also love the meme-able expressions on their and William’s faces.)
William and Rose have guilty faces in that picture. The only innocent face is Kate’s.
I agree with this. The first time I saw that pic, I was like, something is up here, just from their expressions! William looks like he’s worried about what Rose is going to say. Kate looks arch.
Honestly, I don’t think the pictures are that big a deal. I think they happen to “fit” the affair narrative, with that one expression on Kate’s face, but they are just one second in time, we don’t know what was before or after that. In other pictures from the event Kate and Rose seem comfortable around each other. Maybe the photog caught something in that moment, but more likely its just a sheer coincidence.
It’s the kuleshov effect. What you see in their faces. If you don’t know what it is, it’s very interesting.
The heavy handed treatment of the press with this story is what’s most telling.
From Richard Kay’s story that started murmurings about an affair in the first place after what was a tiny piece about Kate and Rose falling out (no mention of William being involved), to journalists outright saying the whole thing has been blacklisted because of legal threats… It makes this look really serious.
LIke father like son it seems. Shame too if this is true. I like Kate. I think she is someone who understands how to do this Royal thing. She seems like a sweet person to me. Hope this is not true.
Kate didn’t know how to do the royal thing for years! Even avoiding events so she wouldn’t be expected to work on remembrance or celebratory marks. Which is a lack of respect to her platform and a disservice to those who support her lifestyle.
She was cruel to girls and aggressive to keep William’s attention and wait out the ring. She played the press game well.
That was Kate before the white wash. Much like the sun article removing items to clean a narrative.
To her credit Kate has changed a bit. A mother that adores her babies. She’s working much more since Meghan came on the scene. This woman is who she is and that’s obvious when you strip away the keen press releases and poor Jason.
This story won’t go away.
Honestly it shouldn’t go away if it’s true. The whole “I’m royal and I can do whatever I want” bs won’t work anymore in the era of social media. I have no sympathy for Will, who’s a petulant spoiled brat who feels entitled to his privileges. He refuses to see how truly precarious his future could be once the Queen dies. Perhaps no one would care about discreet affairs if he didn’t have the habit of throwing other people under the bus to hide his own behavior. That’s the turnoff for me. Kate can’t even make a name for herself due to his jealousy. To me, Will is the epitome of the entitled mediocre white man who feels threatened by anyone with more ability than he has, and will actively work to bring someone else down, even if it will ultimately hurt him too. Thank goodness he’s not in the corporate work force.
“Will is the epitome of the entitled mediocre white man who feels threatened by anyone with more ability than he has, and will actively work to bring someone else down, even if it will ultimately hurt him too.”
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 That is exactly it. He doesn’t realise that most people support the Queen, not the monarchy. If he doesn’t get his shit together, there will be no monarchy by the time he becomes King.
@LANNE-LOVE YOUR TAKE ON THIS 👏👏👏It’s not only people who have more ability than him, it’s people who care more and work harder than him; people who “show up”. Man, he has set the bar soooooo low…
But William CAN do whatever he wants. That’s the way a monarchy works. He gets the title, money, perks, all by virtue of his birth alone. There is no “merit” standard that he has to meet. Charles already proved that: despite the fact that the COE disapproves of divorce, or divorced people remarrying while their ex-spouse is still alive, Charles (the future head of the COE!) was able to divorce Diana, and marry a divorced woman while both their ex-spouses were still alive, and it’s all good. Charles will still be the next monarch and head of the COE.
Also, unlike Diana, I think Kate knew what the arrangement would be from the start. So unless William is cutting off her money, or taking away her titles, or making her do actual work, he is keeping up his end of the bargain. I don’t know why the public feels outraged on behalf of a woman who wanted this life.
@Mrs.Krabapple, I think Diana had already passed away when Charles married Camilla.
Yes, my mistake – Diana had already died at the time. It was Camilla’s ex who was/is still alive.
No, and I’m wondering why the surge of articles about it now.
It seemed like it had kind of died out….sure there was the initial flurry of gossip, back in March, then it faded, then got picked up again really by Twitter when William was in New Zealand, but again kind of faded. Now its back and seems to be bigger than ever. Just Rose’s appearance at the state dinner? Was that enough to start the tongues wagging again, but with much more force this time?
He throwed under the bus his sister-in-law for months, while she was pregnant, just for saving his white ass from the press.
Didn’t stop even during Easter Holiday, with the African Indefinitive Trip for the Sussex.
He is truly showing his colors.
The sweet boy from the University days never existed. He is a whining little man, ready to enjoy the life but not the duties of the role.
Married to a woman who tested for 10 years, and still control with all “you can’t expect us to come to events every year” and love to setting the bar so low, that Andy The Perv seems more suitable for the role.
He bored everybody in Uk with all this “I am family men from with my middle-class jeans” while vacationing with rich friends in Switzerland or jetting in Nairobi for the BFF who never wanted the ring of doom – Jecca Craig, during first Easter Holiday of Charlotte, then he cried to Charles that everybody attacked him and they invented a meeting with a quite confuse Kenyan PM.
He needs to be held accountable of his mediocracy somehow.
Right, the sudden meeting with the Kenyan PM. Think the Queen took a strip off him for that particular stunt?
@Lady D
Oh, it was the stunt of the year, for the simple reason that usually it’s being coordinated between the two country, but in that occasion, the Kenyan authorities didn’t have plan anything. They received a frantic call from Clarence House where they were asking to play the game. I do believe that the Kenyan press noted that was a really brief (like minutes) meeting with no big royal press around.
I still can believe that they , the Queen and Charles, played his game.
The Queen is famous for not liking confrontation and discussion, so …
So now the story is that Kate successfully pushed Rose out? I thought that wasn’t how it worked and Kate was going to find out just what a nobody she is? That’s what everyone here said. Very difficult story to follow.
I don’t think Kate pushed Rose out. I think she tried, but failed. I don’t buy that Rose is sitting at Houghton Hall crying into her teacup because the Turnip Toffs wont talk to her bc of Kate.
The only thing I CAN think is that TTs may be ticked that this is bringing the spotlight on them, if they have reporters and such asking them questions, calling them up, etc.
@Becks1, Agree with you in that Rose is not sitting at Houghton Hall crying into her teacup because the Turnip Toffs wont talk to her because of Kate or because of her problems in her marriage. Rose it not crying at all.
I do not think there are problems in her marriage. I do not think there are any problems between the Cholmondeleys and the other Turnip Toffs. I think Rose & Kate just want this story to die a fast death which is now impossible due to William’s over reactions. I think the UK press is pi$$ed that William tried to shut them down on this Turnip Toffgate story.
Rose was hanging out with Sarah Vine of the Daily Mail at the state dinner and then suddenly a new slew of articles come out. None of this is a coincidence.
@Darla, I don’t believe anyone said that Kate is a nobody. We may poke fun at the FQC title always thrown around but no one has stated she is a nobody. And we are all speculating so yeah, the story changes as we try to figure out what is going on in this soap opera.
Darla,
“So now the story is that Kate successfully pushed Rose out?”
I think something like that happened. My take is William is a creature of habit. During his infamous breakup with Kate in 2007, Harry was quoted as saying “William always goes dogging back to Kate.”
If you remember, the press had a field day with his set leaking how “middle-class” Kate was and the “doors to manual” jibe. The heat was on and Will ran back to Kate. Something similar perhaps happened here. Will was happy being Will until the heat started. Then all the PR, Kate’s Victoria honor, Diana’s earrings at Bafta, etc., to repair the situation.
Rose must not like this turn of events.
Curiouser and curiouser. So now we know why the Duke of Cambridge has not had time to work as hard as the older royals. Certainly it’s not been parental duties keeping him away. It appears to be dinner with friends and other such distractions. I wonder how much of this rosy image of the perfect Cambridge family is a lie.
The perfect Cambridge marriage has always been a lie – William was not around for the first 6 months of George’s life (Kate let that one slip at an engagement), when they lived in Wales after they were married she spent most of her time with her parents and he was off living the life of a single man with his friends, they even had friends join them on their honeymoon (the stories reported in the European and Australian press said that they mingled with other ‘guests’ on an island where they hired out all the villas for ‘privacy and security’ reasons – the owner of the villa they stayed in blabbed. I believe there was even pap photos published of them with said other ‘guests’ but it all got wiped when William sued over honeymoon photo’s of Kate in a bikini were published).
IMO the Cambridges don’t have a marriage, they have an arrangement.
@Digital Unicorn
Let’s remember that Kate lost all her friends (new money) during the first 5/6 years of the “Great Engagement” due to her constant availability to Bill. There was a rumour that she bailed last minute bridal party/hen party of one of her friends because he called her. She literally left her friends wedding party for a holiday in Spain or something, but when they left they were back asap. She always wanted the role and there is no love story here. They were always together with bunch of people and friends, that was one of the reason why a lot of other aristocratic lady didn’t want anything to do with Bill. They didn’t want to share their time with all these “friends”. Let’s not forget the all “Bill is going back to Uni (Cambridge) for a personalized course, where he resumed his bachelor life while Kate was M.I.A at mum’s house. Every time I see a post/tweet/tumblr about cute they are, I just roll my eyes!
Well l was wondering where they were having their trysts. Now it seems that it was Amber Hall. How awful for Kate. Rose going over to Amber Hall at least twice according to rumours to have supper with Wandering Willy. Kate knew about them but thought it was all innocent. How silly of Kate. Rose has a much older husband……
PrincessK,
See my post above. Yours is much clearer. BTW, there is an in-law apt with its own separate entrance that William uses. So yes, Rose visits to Anmer Hall are eyebrow raising.
The fact that this story is just not going away even though William sic’d his lawyers on the press speaks volumes, Kate has always only reacted to his affairs if it has been a threat to her position. There is/was something about the story that made her feel threatened and why she tried to phase Rose out. As much as I said he wasn’t having an affair with Rose, am beginning to change my mind. Its obvs it was more than a shag here and there, maybe William has found his Camilla.
I now think the reason this story is not going away is because its not only true but is still going on.
William is his fathers son and he is behaving in the same way his father did, right down to the press games.
@DU, 100% agreement. And I believe Rose very well may be his Camilla because she is probably more relaxed and carefree. Kate has to deal with him and Lord only knows what baggage plus her royal duties (ok or lack there of) but there is pressure. But Rose has none of that and if her husband leaves her be to do what she wants, yeah I bet she is more relaxed and fun than the wife who has to deal with his shenanigans.
@DU, Bill Cambridge may have found his Camilla but I do not believe that Rose would even consider giving up all that she has, including David Rocksavage, for a loser like Bill Cambridge.
I agree she wouldn’t willingly give up what she has but Camilla only really considered marrying Chuck when her own marriage ended as up until that point she was quite happy being his mistress (IIRC I think both she and her ex husband were having affairs). Bill Middleton is not and never has been the catch he think he is.
My question is why would she bother to sleep with “a loser like Bill Cambridge” in the first place? Is he sexually irresistible? (I could hardly type that with a straight face.) Was it to show Kate that she could? Some sort of power move?
I’ve considered the very real possibility that Bill wasn’t shagging Rose at all. There may be another person involved who was Bill’s “cup of tea” and Rose was providing a meeting place for Bill and this person.
@DeeDee
Perhaps David Rocksavage?
Well there is supposed to be a mystery female ‘German’ and a female ‘lawyer’, who may be the same person. There is a lot to be revealed and we may have to wait years for the truth.
@ElleKaye,
Two of my best male friends, who happen to be following this story due to Houghton Hall, made the exact same “perhaps” suggestion as you.
@BayTampaBay,
Interesting. I would love to hear their views. It just seems to make sense…if anything about this can make sense, that is.
I’m laughing that we are moving to the theory of “Rose would never sleep with a loser like Bill Cambridge…..but David Rocksavage would!!!” I feel like he, too, could do a lot better. LOL.
@Becks1, You are so correct! David Rocksavage could do so much better than Bill Cambridge any day of the week. I really do not like to discuss “Gaydar” stuff because I am not qualified but my male friends, who are following this fiasco, believe that David & Bill scenario is the only one that makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit except the theory that Rose Hanbury leaked the original story.
All in all, it seems to me that the Royal Foibles story is still the best theory and the rest of the news coverage is just tabloids trying to generate revenue producing click$ and at the same time getting back at Bill Cambridge for trying to impose a news blackout.
I don’t think Rose is William’s Camilla, but Camilla was never really Charles’ Camilla. The idea of Charles and Camilla as a Romeo and Juliet pair who desperately loved each other for decades but were cruelly prevented from being together is just very clever PR. Camilla chose to marry another man and supposedly it wasn’t even Charles she originally wanted. Charles had other mistresses and iirc Camilla wasn’t even his main mistress. They seem happy together but the idea they’re soulmates who’ve finally been allowed to marry isn’t true.
William isn’t going to throw away a dutiful wife, mother and consort and create a major scandal over some chick.
and I don’t think some chick, named Rose, would want him to.
OK – alternate theory here. Rose and Bill did have an affair but the person who wanted to take it further was actually Rose. She seems to have a mother, if the stories are correct, who makes Carole Middleton look like a rank amateur. This is a woman who posted about how well both of her daughters had done marrying into aristocracy. Rose bagged herself the title of Marchioness but now finds herself often on her own, with an older husband who is actually gay and spends most of his time in his house in Paris with his rumoured boyfriend. No matter how much money you have, that would be desperately lonely. Enter Normal Bill. He thinks he’s just having another fling, one of many that his wife has condoned but now Rose is imagining telling her mother that she’s actually landed the future king. Bill realises she’s getting a bit serious and tries to back out hastily. Kate is happy because, for once, he has actually chosen her over a rival and does try to have Rose phased out and kept away from William. Rose takes her revenge and also tries to sabotage the Cambridge marriage by going to the press.
This version would explain why Kate has actually been looking happier over the last few months since Louis’ birth, why William would be so heavy-handed with the press, why it was Rose that came to the state dinner deliberately minus her wedding ring but with a gossip columnist alongside her, why there has been a recent story about how “available” Rose might be and why the overall story just won’t die.
* takes off tinfoil tiara*.
Hmmmmmm. This is interesting. So its not Kate who broke the aristocratic “rules” (by caring about who her husband slept with), but Rose, who tried to turn a “mere” affair into something more. William backed out of the whole thing, Kate cut her out, Rose got ticked, leaked the rural rival story, and she’s the one who keeps making sure the story stays alive. Hmmmm.
If we believe she’s been isolated socially, that would fit in with your theory too – the TTs are ticked at her because SHE broke the rules.
I guess what I just cant come to terms with is why she would want to be FQC. I know that her mother is ambitious and she and Rose probably both want all the titles, but it seems like Rose has the ideal gig now. She’s a marchioness, she’s got money, she lives in a country manor, etc. Maybe the crown really was worth all that to her?
@Becks1 to support my theory I’m going with the fact that, whilst you and I would never want to be FQC, if you are brought up by a mother who trains you to hunt down a title then FQC is first prize.
ETA also, a marriage where you are left alone for long periods of time and your husband prefers men would be far from ideal. I find it curious that her brother supposedly commented about how Rose was “a very attractive girl”. But, if you are Rose in that situation, you would feel exactly the opposite.
Yes Digital Unicorn,
“maybe William has found his Camilla.” And, Camilla is the patron saint of mistresses. IMHO, Rose wants to do a full-Camilla.
the more I thought about that Sun story after we discussed it here, the more bizarre it seems to me. Like what is the point of it?
As we said on Friday, it could have been a PR move by the Chumleys. “Rose is so wrecked over these rumors that she just stays in her 6 bedroom farmhouse because her house is so beautiful and she opens it to the public” etc. I also could see it as a PR move by the Cambridges – “William and Rose had dinner a few nights but it was NBD.” That screams “William” to me because it is so inept lol.
I guess that I just don’t buy that Rose is wrecked over these rumors. The article kind of tries to make it sound like David Rocksavage is staying away bc their marriage is on the rocks, but also then makes it sound like this is just their life – she is in Norfolk, he splits his time between Norfolk, London and Paris; he has his “extracurricular activities” and she has hers. It’s like the Sun couldn’t decide how to spin it. Or, they asked someone about their marriage, someone gave them this info, and the Sun tried to make it into a “poor Rose” piece, when Rose is just shrugging and doing her thing.
What IS clear is that the deleted info about the dinners is inconsistent with the Richard Kay piece about how they actually aren’t really that good of friends anyway, there’s no falling out because there is nothing to fall out “From,” so to speak. and like I said on Friday, it makes me wonder if there is some evidence of these dinners (like pics of them getting into a car together or something) and this was intended to head that off. IDK.
If it is PR by Rose it could be laying the groundwork for her splitting up with David, by muddying the waters with lots of non-William reasons why their marriage isn’t working. (She’s lonely, he’s old, he’s always in France with this old gay guy).
The Rose situation reminds me a bit of Diana, married to an older man, with older friends and little in common. William would therefore be much more interesting. Also William has in the past but since being married praised Rose to the skies, telling people how clever, and talented she is.
I am sure script writers are already taking notes.
Right. Either they’re just casual acquaintances who are confused by the gossip, or they’re extremely close friends who attend each others’ birthday weekends and “entertain” each other as “platonic friends”; it can’t be both. I feel like that Sun piece is more likely to come from the Chumley side of things. I think one of the last things the Cambridges/KP would want is a bunch of rumors about Will’s (alleged) lover’s marriage being on the rocks. That would (and has) just add more fuel to the fire. The Cambridge/KP PR game is awful but even they wouldn’t be idiotic enough to pursue the “Rose’s marriage is in trouble” route. At least one would hope not.
And seeing that they were at Kate’s birthday celebration two years ago – at least for church with Sophie Carter (unless they just went to church with the queen), it makes me think its more along the lines of they were relatively close. And that just adds another layer.
I sort of agree with you that this is likely from the Chumleys, but also, William is so bad at PR. I can see him trying to fix this and just make it more of a mess lol.
“Supper” is code for “shag”. Simples.
Supper followed by “dessert”…
Oh, I’m so having “supper” with Mr. Rice tonight 😉
What happens in their marriage is their business. If they have an arrangement I won’t judge that. Marriage has been a transactional relationship forever. But if this happens behind Kate’s back then William is a jerk and the gossip only further injures Kate. My main problem with this is the implication that mixed gender friendships are impossible outside of a sexual relationship.
@Aang – I agree with everything you wrote.
Good points.
I highly doubt that any kind of arrangement would include sleeping with a “close” or “best” friend. Too close for comfort. A betrayal from both parties for sure.
Andrew Parker-Bowles, Princess Anne, Camilla, Prince Charles….there were and are many weirdo arrangements out there.
@Aang it’s not just the mixed gender friendship that sparked this, it’s the total behavior of the parties, i.e. William. Why say you barely know the people but then you are having dinners with said people without your wife? And it sounds like without her husband too? That’s why this whole thing smells like a dead fish, because it’s fishy! If they were just buds, why all the denials in the beginning?
If William barely knows these people why were they invited to Cathy Cambridge’s private birthday celebrations? Invitation to the to Bill & Cathy’s wedding I understand because of David Rocksavage’s position at court but not the private entertaining.
Oh, and as for the actual affair – I can see Kate being okay with him cheating in a general fashion, but not specifics. Like, “okay, have an affair, but I don’t want it to affect me and I don’t want to know about it.” It might be the kind of thing she just sort of compartmentalizes and locks away in her mind and doesn’t think about. But if he was cheating with a neighbor, then she might have to think about it, and I can see that reaction being very different.
And if the affair was being conducted in her very own. Amner Hall, l don’t think Kate would find that funny at all. I am sure the staff know what has been going on.
Yeah, honestly, that is something I hadn’t considered before today. If William was sleeping with another woman at Anmer, I can see Kate considering that to be crossing the line (if we figure she knows about his affairs generally.)
I wonder if the real story is Will and Rose were actually platonic friends and Will told Rose stuff he shouldn’t have about Kate. Like about Kate having post partum depression or eating disorder issues. Rose then started sharing these private deets about Kate, embarrassing her, which led to her being axed from their circle. The press got wind, and the Cambridges (read:Bill) botched things by coming put so hard to prevent the deets from coming out.
Or good friend Rose told Will some stuff in confidence about Kate that was negative and she got mad when Will shared.
Still convinced the only fire causing this smoke is the one Will set on himself. He’s dumb enough when it comes to the press to shoot himself in the foot.
If its not an affair (and nothing to do with an affair – like this isn’t about Rose protecting the “other woman” if its not her, etc) – then I can see your theory being true. The fact that William shared such personal details with someone else and then those details got out to their “set” – that could be something that would cause Will to fire back like he did, threaten legal action, etc.
This is why they need better PR people. Someone experienced could have handled this much better from the moment the phrase “rural rival” was first uttered.
@Rapunzel, Your angle on this story makes a tonne of sense. I have never thought about that way. It may be that a violation of confidences by Will & Rose is/was more hurtful that than a sexual liaison to Kate.
Wanting to add: I think if Kate was open to affairs during marriage, it wouldn’t have taken so long for them to get married. I’ve always believed that Wills dragged his feet and played around because he was looking to make sure when he got married that it wouldn’t end up like his parents. Just my opinion.
That and Wills is such a dunce about things that I can’t believe he’d succeed in hiding an affair, and if there was one, solid proof would have emerged already.
I can see that. I have had coworkers tell me stuff about their wives and have thought to myself that I would be so upset if my husband told my business like that
I think this makes sense. And I would be furious if I were Kate.
That’s an interesting possibility.
Reading some of these articles referencing how Rose and her husband used to be in the inner circle invited to Kate’s Norfolk birthday weekends, and are no longer, I remembered about Sophie Carter. She is in those pictures too taken at the church in Sandringham for Kate’s birthday weekends in the past, with Rose, the Marquess, the Middleton fam, etc.. Sophie is very close to Kate and one of Princess Charlotte’s godmothers, and Princess Charlotte was in Sophie’s wedding. Sophie is the daughter of one of the richest families in Norfolk. Anyway wondering if Sophie heard something, or saw something, or is somehow involved in the turnip toff drama. She (and some other of Kate’s friends/children’s godparents like Lady Laura Meade) would be perfectly positioned in Norfolk to be Kate’s henchwomen in the rural rivalry…
Re: sophie Carter – pic of her with the Chumleys, about halfway down. So rose and david WERE part of the birthday inner circle, apparently, and no longer are?
https://whatkatewore.com/2017/01/08/kate-in-sportmax-coat-new-accessories-for-church-at-sandringham/#more-44589
@Becks1 – yep, the DM article cited in the other Rose-related post today pointed out that the Chumleys were there for Kate’s birthday weekend church outing in Sandringham in January of 2017, but not in 2019 (no mention of 2018- there are some pix out there of the 2018 event but hard to see who all was there besides the Middleton fam).
Great detective work Becks! 👍🏿 A pity that Rose’s face is rather obscured in the picture. I bet the affair was well under way at that time.
Becks1 👍
I was going to mention the Daily Mail article. Thanks for bringing it up. My understanding is the affair began after Charlotte’s birth and Kate had Louis as a way of strengthening her position. Louis’ birth seemed unexpected, the Cambridges appeared to be finished with heir and spare.
If you look at Louis’ christening photos, Kate is smiling constantly at the baby and rarely looks at William.
I think the dinners piece got deleted because they couldn’t prove it as fact. According to The Daily Beast’s newsletter from yesterday, “A source tells The Daily Beast that the rumors of an affair started after William was observed to be going on frequent walks from his home on the Sandringham estate, during which he would sometimes meet up with his neighbor, doing the same, as their lands adjoin.”
I still don’t know if I believe there was an actual affair—it’s possible to me that as Rose’s marriage further deteriorated, she indicated she was open to one, which caused Kate to push her away. It could have been what she perceived to be an emotional affair, or Will and Rose had a fling years ago and Kate was seeing signs it could start up again.
Lexa- yes, I have always thought it more likely that there was a prior affair before marriage. and Kate got mD at npt kno8. This would be especially true if Rose was hosting dinners with Will alone as a friend. I know I would be against any prior fling having a solo dinner with my husband, unless I knew.
This could be it too. They had a fling at some point, before marriage or maybe super early in the Cambridge marriage- Kate either knew and thought it was over, but didn’t like the idea of them hanging out solo, or Kate didn’t know and when she found out, she was ticked.
Honestly I feel like this story is just getting weirder and weirder. Whatever happened – affair, not an affair – it was significant enough to cause Kate to “cut Rose out” and to do so in such a way that the gossip mags got hold of it (Maybe Rose blabbed, as the Royal Foibles theory goes, but maybe not.) And whatever it was, no one wants the public to know. And you could say that its none of our business, because of course it isn’t lol, but at this point wouldn’t it better to have someone leak the truth, because everyone is just assuming that William and Rose had an affair, which is super awkward if its not true?
According to gossip these ‘suppers’ took place while Kate was away but with her knowledge. Something must have happened.
Prince Wandering Weenie is just so blah.
Like a jelly bean that missed the flavor/coating on the conveyor belt of life.
lol
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Chef Feace I hope it is ok for me to borrow this perfect comment once in a while …👏👏👏
hey, it worked for Elizabeth II.
Why does William need to go to Rose’s for supper? If Kate’s not around, he can’t entertain himself?
This story definitely is getting a bit weird. If everyone involved wants the story to die then they need to stop writing articles about it. And I don’t think the Chumleys will divorce. To a lot of people it’ll seem like the rumours are true because they’re divorcing over Rose’s infidelity.
I think there were other people at supper. If it was just the two of them, then word wouldn’t have gotten out. JMHO.
That’s a good point @Deedee – unless again Rose blabbed, but why would she?
But if it was a small dinner party or the like, why not say “William went to dinner some nights at Houghton Hall when Rose had a small gathering” or something. Maybe someone wanted to make it seem more sinister than it was?
I feel like I always reach the point in these posts where all I can say is that this whole thing is just messy. I feel like its being handled so poorly.
The word “supper” is weird. I haven’t heard it used in decades.
That is all I have about this story.
Really? Seems to be used a lot in western Canada.
The original article said that Rose went to Amner Hall for these ‘suppers’. Also her husband leaves her alone in Norfolk for long periods and spends time with people his own age in Paris.
Unless I’m missing something, the original article does not indicate which home the meals took place, just that they were in Norfolk: “It seems to have started because she had one or two suppers with William in Norfolk when Kate was away.”
I hate the word “supper”. It pings me like “moist” does for some others. It’s just awful. Due to the use of this triggering word, I believe that all parties are guilty of being terrible jerks and should toff-off.
Omg Wellsie, this was my exact same reaction! That word!! Uuuuuuuugh!
Well, just mentally replace it with “shag”, because that seems to be, what it’s acrually code for.
I commented above before I read your post. Co-sign.
Did we already talk about this, but I wondered if the tension between the Cambridges and the Sussexes is because Harry and Meghan knew about the affair and told William their opinions on it. Has that ever been mentioned as the reason for the problems with the two couples?
There was a similar theory a few months ago when this whole thing first came out – that Harry was ticked at William for cheating bc of what they went through growing up and because of how close he and Kate are. I didn’t fully buy that, but I can more buy what you are selling – that Harry and Meghan basically told William he was being an ass and William got ticked that they (especially Meghan) would dare to confront him like that etc.
I dunno. I think that seems a little farfetched, but not impossible. It fits in a way though bc Harry and Kate have always seemed fine together.
No, I think the tension most likely stems from William questioning the relationship early on, and then later arguments about their staff, practices at the KP office, etc deteriorated it further. People always talk about how competitive Will is, but Harry is the same way and I have to imagine that isn’t helping matters either. If you believe the gossip chatter (like the piece in this week’s Sunday Times about the rivalry), supposedly any friend of Harry’s who expressed doubts about Meghan and the relationship were cut out of his life. Harry can only cut Will out so much when they have to see each other at family events.
“People always talk about how competitive Will is, but Harry is the same way and I have to imagine that isn’t helping matters either. ”
This. They have similar attitudes,and they’re both capable of being jealous and entitled ,even if “some people” don’t want to admit it because it spoils their fantasies. It’s just easy to put the blame on the other.
And Harry couldn’t care less about his brother’s marriage. He can’t give lessons to anyone either.
fan fiction but I like the narrative. Harry sticking up for Kate. Maybe it is true.
I agree with @Lexa——I tend to think that the big origin story of the William/Harry tension is that William advised Harry that he was moving too fast with Meghan and wasn’t enthusiastic about their relationship. Although from some reports many people close to Harry said that including Charles (I think that was reported in a Tatler article) and various friends of Harry.
I don’t think he would cheat. He saw what it did to his Mother and how it changed the course of his life. I don’t think he or Harry would stray. I call BS.
Then you haven’t paid any attention to William and Kate’s dating years. It was not a secret.
And btw, Diana cheated, too. As said elsewhere, there’s a lot of cheating/open relationships in aristo circles.
It can also be said that perhaps cheating in the MARRIAGE is different than during dating (not to ME, but perhaps Will?). That once he married, then he’d be faithful (sexually), to not repeat his father’s mistake(s).
Also, Diana did not cheat until she realized Charles had no intention of giving up Camilla. I also remember Diana saying that when Charles made those comments after Harry was born (he was a boy, not the wanted daughter, and he had red hair), something “died” inside her, and all bets were off. She gave him the “heir and the spare” and she was going to find some love and happiness elsewhere, like Charles.
MrsBanjo I disagree with you. They were young kids who break up and get back together. That’s to be expected on some level. But to cheat, actually have an affair- no way, I don’t buy it. Just because it’s common in those “circles” doesn’t mean everyone does it. I don’t think any of this is true.
Kate was treated as a back up by William throughout the dating years and never a priority. He would have been in his 20s while doing this and making excuses for it is just being naive. Guys who can’t be faithful in their 20s won’t be faithful later on. A wedding band (which William doesn’t chose to wear in any case) is not going to stop a cheater.
I have a hard time buying any of this. Maybe something happened with Rose in the distant past, but not currently.
Will and Kate have looked genuinely *more* happy together in the past year, especially during recent engagements.
If there was cheating or problems, or they were faking it we would see something in their body language, etc.
One of my theories early on when this broke was that Will and Rose had an affair when Kate was pregnant with Charlotte. (since one of the stories that got out at that point was that this happened when Kate was pregnant). anyway, people assumed Louis but I thought maybe Charlotte, and Louis was the “make up baby,” kind of like Andrew for the Queen. (sorry, I know people hate that term.)
But that doesn’t jive with the pics from the EACH event (which was in 2016, so after Charlotte was born.) Despite the one pic that just fits this situation so well (with Kate looking at Rose and William looking concerned in the background), they seemed comfortable with each other.
I don’t know. This is all just messy. I feel like all we know for sure is that “something happened” and William doesn’t want anyone knowing what that ‘something” is.
* conspiracy/fan fic time *** William totally had a gay/bi affair with shady Rocksavage. Rose doesn’t care because she married Rocksavage knowing all about his “long bachelorhood” and “good friend” in Paris that he bought a house with in Paris.
Becks1, I definitely think if there was cheating, it was after Charlotte’s birth in 2016. They had a very tense vibe to them back then and seemed to pull through it. I don’t get that same feeling about them now, which is one of the reasons I can’t fully believe without doubts William and Rose has an affair. I also think it’s entirely possibly that Will is genuinely pissed off that he’s being accused of an affair when he was finally on his best (relationship) behavior, and that was part of his press overreaction. LOL
@Lexa – oh interesting. So you think maybe there was an affair in the past, but its been a while, and so William is basically having a tantrum because “I’m being really good!!!”
and why did Cathy all of a sudden want Rose “phased out”?
Their body language tells me that are trying very hard to show the world that they have a solid marriage.
Is the report that they ate dinner ALONE or just that they dined together? Because I’ve been to plenty of get togethers and dinner parties with my neighbors with and without my spouse. It’s plenty convenient to omit that it may have been a large gathering where food was consumed and just call it “supper together”. Because while not inaccurate that they did dine together, it’s hardly scandalous if it was in a large group.
We don’t know. the original quote (that got deleted) was just that they had “one or two suppers together” and that “Kate was glad Rose was there to entertain William.” If it was a dinner party or something of the sort, I feel like they would have come out and said that, since this article seemed at least partly intended to put an end to the affair rumors. By leaving it ambiguous, and then deleting it, it just makes the whole thing seem fishier (more fishy?)
I would be shocked if this WASN’T true at this point and would explain why Kate looks thinner than normal lately.
Maybe William cheated while Kate was pregnant and Kate felt she couldn’t compete by being ultra thin at the time. Maybe Kate considered Rose a friend. One thing is for certain somebody wants to keep this story going! IMO, William isn’t this great lover and the Turnip crew isn’t lining up for Big Willie. Rose is probably the only one that gave William attention because her husband is old and gay (no judgement).
David Rocksavage is 59 years old or will be 59 years old sometime this year as he was born in 1960. 59 years of age is not “that” old, especially in aristocratic circles. It is easy to forget the Cholmondeleys have been married for 10 years as they married in 2009.
Correction: Older and gay
I think the husband is bi-sexual–and I could see him dappling with both in France. Why is a man automatically gay if he slept with another man? An ex of mine is marrying a woman in a few months time and he dappled with pre-op transexuals for a time a few years ago. I think it makes him bi, not gay.
Rose and her husband clearly have a “different” sort of marriage where both are probably free to have extracurricular relationships on the down-low. Perhaps Rose, under the guise of being good friends, suggested something with William, he told Kate or someone close to them told her, and she simply got to the end of her rope. She’s put up with a lot of William’s Wandering Weenie over the years and has every right to draw a line in the sand.
What proof have you got of his wandering weenie? Apart fro tabloid gossip?
Have you seen the video of him knocking a girl outside the back door to a pub? It’s common knowledge he was extraordinarily unfaithful to Kate, who kept going back with him.
Look, obviously there was an affair that involved two or more of the Toffers. The gossip rags are circling the country piles because it is true. An affair happened. One of the Toffers confirmed it on twitter before deleting the message. Lawyers were hired to issue threats. The future King invoked his human rights, lord’s sake! Even the French media is getting in on the action, explaining the context if how a country wife could find herself in need of the company of a virile neighbourhood buck. There is a major story there and the rags are just playing a game of cat and mouse with Bill Normal–baiting him to tip his hand once more.
Also, why on earth would people think that a man who cheated multiple times in his long-standing girlfriend would not cheat on her during the marriage? Children grow up to repeat the mistakes of their parents all the time. People twisting themselves into pretzels to explain away the obvious has me shaking my head.
Children grow up to repeat the mistakes of their parents all the time.
This.
Agreed, especially on your second paragraph. I find it bizarre that people are asserting that he would never cheat on her, when much of their fighting during the dating years was about his infidelity (and yet Kate would always come back). If anything, Kate’s eventual acceptance of Will’s infidelity as her boyfriend likely reassured him that he could do anything he pleased as her husband.
“Even the French media is getting in on the action, explaining the context if how a country wife could find herself in need of the company of a virile neighbourhood buck.”
Is that all? Assuming that the British press doesn’t want to talk about this very alleged scandal,which doesn’t seem the case,considering the amount of pieces that just keeps this rivalry gossip alive,don’t you think that we would have seen the “French media” and every other international outlet coming up months ago with *something* more than recycling what the daily mail writes?
It’s not like it’s very difficult to get info in this day and age of social media.. Above all,if there’re so many “people in the know who have more to say that “I’ve also heard something about it”.
I’m stuck on the ‘virile neighborhood buck’ that is a great phrase–but is that supposed to refer to William? He wishes!
To connect the (getting obvious…) dots:
If Rocksavage would rather play in Paris, then who might the papa of Iris be?
Houghton Hall’s insta never shows her face: does anyone have a photo?
It might explain the crazy lawyering up on Willy’s part…
There are a few pics of her out there, I just googled. There aren’t that many of any of the three kids, but there are a few. I don’t think they’re hiding her. Apparently KAte Moss was at her christening too lol.
I have seen pictures of all three Chumley kids and they clearly all belong to David Rocksavage.
Anon,
“then who might the papa of Iris be? Houghton Hall’s insta never shows her face”
Many people are speculating about it. The “Chumblee” had twins + an insta-marriage. At the time, the papers stated that David was “so happy to have the family he so desperately needed.”
The Daily Mail articles comes as close a possible to outing David and his long-time partner as gay without saying it. There is more to this story than we know. On the Chumblee side, I believe.
No doubt The Daily Fail is grinding axes to do a hatchet job on all involved parties.
Well I have seen pictures of Iris, and I can see that she has a resemblance to her father.
The Sun removed the whole bit about Rose’s “pal” talking with the Sun. I find it more likely that the Cholmondeleys are the ones who got involved. If it’s Rose the one who is setting the facts straight (she did nothing wrong,these rumors -rivalry, affair or both- have got out of hand and are hurtful for her too),it’s possible she didn’t like how it came across.
Either way,it looked like Rose or people close to her were happily babbling to a tabloid,so I wouldn’t exclude they are the ones who wanted it being removed.
The daily mail had another piece that quoted a Cholmondeleys’ spokesperson saying that basically they want to be left alone and there’s nothing true (rivalry,rumors about whatever). It also makes it clear that they’re also victims in this story with the Cambridges.
The Sun piece paired up with the Daily Mail one tells me that Rose (Rose amd husband)
setting facts straight is a very likely scenario.
Interestingly,the daily mail is also saying that “someone” has an agenda set against Kate and William.
I don’t believe there’s any affair here.
In that case we would have also seen other outlets (international press in particular) coming up with a lot of other details months ago.
But I do think there were rumors (affair or rivalry with relative speculation) circulating in their circle. As I said,it’s possible that both couples had a good relationship and that William and Rose have met for lunch or dinner occasionally,and that Kate was fine with it.
Or,as Lexa says above,they were seen walkimg and chatting alone.
It’s not difficult to imagine how members of that family are the perfect target of every type of gossip.
It would explain why William probably took preventive legal action. He knew what tabloids like the Sun were doing with the rivalry gossip.
At this point I’m not even sure “Kate cut Rose out”.
Probably it was part of those rumors as well that in the end have taken on a life of their own. But if the rumors about Kate and Rose are true,the reason could very well be that Kate at some point believed that Rose is behind some speculation going on in their circle (Rose telling people about meeting with William,for example).
Or maybe she was simply angry about “rumors” whoever was spreading them.
If we want to believe that Richard Kay had some inside knowledgen,on the other hand,William evidently wanted to keep a good relationship with the couple.
And no,I still don’t believe William ran to Richard Kay. His piece has always looked to me as a way to draw the attention to the ” rivalry” story that was going unnoticed.
I also don’t believe that William went to Richard Kay for that story. RK has almost always been very critical of William in the past, and seems to mostly have sources at Clarence House/Charles’ circle (I think the CH staff generally finds William very headstrong and surly because he doesn’t fall in line and insisted on a separate press office). That’s not to say Charles or his staff threw him under the bus, but the Cambridges have better relationships with other royal reporters. I’ve always thought it most likely came from Rose and her husband.
I’m just going to throw this out there:
What if, after being edged out of the Turnip Toffs and having a falling out with Kate, Rose decided to ‘get even’ by orchestrating this with the tabloids? Being in the ‘inner circle’ and all, she’d likely know all about William’s past indiscretions…making it all the more believable.
I mean, she sounds like an extremely unhappy person. She may be a vindictive person as well.
This is the royal foibles theory that gets mentioned a lot. That Kate tried to edge out Rose and Rose went to the tabloids in revenge, since she doesn’t really care if news gets out that she had an affair, bc she and her husband have an “understanding.”
I keep circling back to how the Hanburys- Rose’s parents, Rose, her sister Marina who along with Rose was signed to the Storm modeling agency back in the day — all have run with kind of a wild crowd. Same for David Rocksavage and Marina’s hubby the Earl of Durham.
Lots of partying with Kate Moss, reveling at various villas or palazzos in France and Italy, etc. The Vanity Fair article around 2012 about the Earl of Durham featured pictures of Marina, their baby, Marina’s and Rose’s parents the Hanburys, and various topless lady friends lounging around the pool in Tuscany.
Anyway, there is the Norfolk, staid, turnip toff milieu and there is this more louche milieu that Rose has been a part of. Just to say that Rose might be in deepest Norfolk now but she might have little in common with Kate’s other rural Norfolk friends like Laura Meade and Sophie Carter. I can see her ending up on the outside of the Turnip Toff clique, even though she’s married to the Houghton Hall guy.
@Tourmaline, yup. There was so much noise about Rose’s “bohemian” upbringing when she first made the news for marrying David Rocksavage. All that stuff about how both Hanbury sisters married such older men because of their parents’ house was basically party central when they were growing up, so they were much more comfortable with older people from a young age etc etc. There are just so many interesting details about Rose Hanbury that have been published by the press over the years that piece together a really interesting picture of a person, tbh.
Just as a casual gossip reader it seems to me that Prince William became more unpleasant as an adult and Prince Harry got all the “nice” in the family. I remember that Diana shared with William, a little boy, that his father was having an affair. William knew how much it hurt her, so it’s especially insensitive if he modeled his father’s behavior in his own adulthood.
Isn’t it easy to believe nasty stories about people you don’t like?
And take what you read in the tabloids, especially the DF and the Sun with a pinch of salt.
William is lucky to have Kate. She has her faults but she’s a pretty woman who gave him three beautiful children.
Cheating isn’t about looks and neither are relationships really. I’ve seen so many “mismatched” couples lookswise and I know more than a few men who have dumped very attractive spouses for other women that are nothing to write home about. That being said, Rose is a striking person. There’s a picture of Rose that I think was featured in Vogue back when she was pregnant with her daughter. It is glorious.
I know. I didn’t really mean it in relation to his supposed affair or to Rose Hanbury. I just meant that he’s fortunate to have married Kate. Now, Kate gets plenty in return, don’t get me wrong.
This is the gossip that will not die. It’s like the press are really trying to make a point with the constant rehashing.
As I said above, I 100% believe the tabloids are now driving this story for money generating click$ until the return of Duchess of Sussex.
It just means that they didn’t have a source for the supper part so they had to remove it when threatened with legal action. Remember it’s only libel if it’s not true. And the tabloids are rehashing this story for the same reason they rehash their negative stories about Meghan. They’re tabloids.
I think it’s been clear for awhile now that Rose had unreciprocated feelings for William. While I am not condoning his actions I do think he had very different thoughts about his affair than Rose did. Kate for her part always seems protective and dutiful towards her husband and family. She probably did phase Rose out but not out of jealousy or spite, but because her husband needed her help and she gave it. I think phasing Rose out was just how she showed loving support of her husband and commitment to her marriage. Rose probably still thinks there’s a chance…hence the missing wedding ring. I don’t think Kate has come this far and gone thru this much just to toss it all away and quit before the end game of becoming queen. Plus I think knowing how Diana was phased out of the RF has to be a consideration for Kate.
I really cannot see Rose willing to give Rocksavage for William. Nope. I don’t believe for one second that she would have pursued William.
@Patty, I think she weighed the options and chose her husband in the end. There are lots of people who have affairs and catch feelings, but choose to stay with their current partner for whatever reason. There’s plenty of indication that Rose is about as mercenary and cutthroat as Kate when it comes to matters of social climbing, and I think she’d be stupid to give it all up for a man who would probably not leave his wife and children for his sidepiece, lol. Not to mention, the Earl of Rocksavage seems like he’s more fun and interesting, and he has a full head of hair at least.
I think Kate took the view of, “out of sight, out of mind,” in that even if she peripherally were aware of the affair (“suppers”), she wasn’t going to comment on it until it came out explicitly in the open in some way. And I still maintain that the straw that broke the camel’s back was Rose gossiping about it within her circle of friends. She might have strategically leaked the information to the press later, but I still think she wasn’t being discreet in their own little crowd, and the word got out and it reflected poorly on Kate.
On the off chance that anyone actually caught feelings, it was probably Rose. I don’t think William is capable of feeling genuinely for his flings. I think he likes them as distractions from the rut of his domestic life, but he’s not interested in anything for the long term if you ask me.
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I agree that “Rose gossiping about it within her circle of friends” was the breaking point. We sometimes forget that Pippa is also a socialite in aristo circles with her own group of friends, from Earl Percy down to the last toff. My friend in London said the gossip reached fringe aristo circles – that’s where he heard before the papers revealed it. Pippa must have independently found out almost immediately.
I also think the breaking point was discussing the “suppers” at his home, where his wife and children live.
Gossip side note: the Cholmondeleys are the same family that are connected to the Huston (Hollywood royalty) family! Jack Huston is a product of the two (I’m a big fan of his from Boardwalk Empire)
Or maybe they just really dinner have supper alone together or at all! Maybe it was taken out bc it wasn’t true.
Is ‘one or two suppers’ code for ‘shagging her rotten’?
Their marriage is not in trouble. It has been normal for royals to have side pieces before, heck William had side pieces before he and Kate ever got married. I don’t think Rose wants to replace Kate so much as she wants to say, “I had your man, you commoner, and there is nothing you can do about it.”
Wow. William’s threats have done little to quell this rumour from getting out of control. Kind of makes you understand how some of the royals don’t have much influence over the press. The story went silent for a few weeks then bam they’re back. Except The Queen who had Andrew’s sex offender rumours and allegations killed stone cold dead.
Have you seen Lainey’s take on the matter? It never crossed my mind, but now that I think about it, it actually makes sense.
I just went and looked at it. I don’t think she’s right. At all. The Cambridge’s are not trying to distance themselves from the lord great chamberlain. If he has a shady background, it could be shut down in the press the same way Andrew’s was.
An affair for the Cambridge’s would be extremely damaging considering their image is built on being a normal stable family.
Wasn’t the original story about the sister sleeping with William? Not juicy enough so the story was changed to get more hits.
Sound$ like the tabloids tabloiding! LOL!
she is beautiful. looks as if she is great company and very loving.