Prince Andrew did not do the Sandringham church-walk on Christmas day with the royal family. There was some suggestion that he would attend church with his family, but that he wouldn’t do the church-walk. But what happened was that Andrew went to church to an earlier service, before the rest of his family, then returned to Sandringham to spend time with his dad, who also did not go to the 11 am service with the rest of the royals. While I appreciate that at least some people in or around the family understand that Andrew is way too toxic, I still believe that by Beatrice’s wedding in late spring/early summer, Andrew will have “campaigned” to be back in the royal fold. Speaking of, check out this story which dropped just before Christmas:
Prince Andrew missed Princess Beatrice and fiancé Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi‘s engagement party this week, but it’s not a sign of strife between the father and daughter. A source tells PEOPLE that the couple’s wedding plans are underway, and Prince Andrew will likely play a major part in his daughter’s wedding despite the scandal surrounding his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein that caused him to “step back” from his royal duties.
“I definitely think he will walk her down the aisle,” a source tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “He plays a very traditional role in her life. She’s his greatest supporter. This is obviously very hard times,” adds the insider.
Their family — including Prince Andrew’s ex-wife Sarah Ferguson and 29-year-old daughter Princess Eugenie — remains tight-knit.
“They are still traveling together, they are still going ahead like normal,” says the source. “Beatrice would never do anything to be hurtful to her father. He’s going to be by her side and she’s going to be by his.”
This really bothers me. Andrew used Beatrice as an alibi for why he couldn’t have raped a teenaged human trafficking victim. Then Beatrice was thrown under the bus as one of the reasons why Andrew did that ghastly BBC interview in the first place. And now Andrew is using Beatrice as some kind of Trojan horse for coming back into the royal fold. Poor Beatrice – she doesn’t deserve this mess. I hope she tells her dad to f–k off, but I doubt that will happen.
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The fact that Prince Charles walked with Andrew to the earlier service was what stuck out to me. They are ALL closing ranks around Andrew.
I don’t want to say I have no issue with it, but in a private human capacity I can’t fault Charles for being a brother to his brother. I’m glad he didn’t appear at the public service and I hope is is forced out and faces justice, but we can’t require families to abandon criminals.
I thought about that too…but Andrew needed to develop a case of the flu this time around. After the ride with mummy the day of Epstein’s death, it’s a way too loaded situation.
Charles was in the minder to prevent Andrew from interacting with anyone in the crowd. Can you imagine if he tried to shake hands with people waiting for the 11 am service? Gah!
@Betsy. I thought it was a generous gesture as a brother that Charles walked with Andrew to the earlier service. Also quite right that the pedo didn’t do the later pap walk. I feel sorry for Beatrice but shit happens in many families. I hope she doesn’t try to have a showy wedding at Windsor as that would be inappropriate under the circumstances.
I guess I can kind of see that, since they’re “The Firm,” but I’m more of the Michael Shannon school of family who support the orange one – you’re an orphan now. Admittedly, I have no public role and can do that. I have before with a family member who was an abuser and I did not keep quiet in order to protect other family who might have thought he was safe to be around. My mom didn’t much like it, but accepted it finally. Like I said, though, I’m not in any public role. Honestly, though, I haven’t been clicking much on any royal family stories any more. Like the rest of the world, I’ve been moving toward the retire the concept entirely, especially after seeing the Meghan treatment and god-awful playbook in use for hundreds of years.
If my family member was an unrepentant pedoohile – there would be zero contact. Distant love, no coddling or sympathy. That’s just me. People who excuse harming children? No.
Absolutely. PC was going to the later service, so there was no reason to walk with Andrew earlier.
@Ellen – Exactly – so much for the “Charles is furious” and “Charles banned him and forced him to resign” PR spin. There was also a line in one of the British rags about PedoAndy not going to the second service because he was going to spend the day “keeping Philip company”. Again, so much for the Philip runs the family where the queen is too soft PR spin. They’re all complicit in this and it’s sickening.
Sickening is the correct term. There’s been a photo of Andrew, Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell circulating around Twitter – they’re at Ascot a while back, all suited up and grinning. Obviously Andrew invited his procurers to a very high visibility British social event. He must have been proud of his association with sex traffickers and pedophiles.
If I were a British taxpayer I would raise holy hell about the royals and the UK government continuing to give millions of pounds to someone who used a good part of it to assault underaged girls.
It could have been that Charles was trying to be diplomatic and ensure that Andrew went to the earlier service. Maybe Andrew was being difficult about it all and Charles did this to placate him. Andrew comes across as not only gross but also a generally difficult idiot who is dragging everyone else down with him.
This is how I looked at it also.
Nahema I think that was exactly the problem. Andrew is an idiot and Charles probably did this to stop him from marching behind the family like a petulant child at the later service.
Yup – Charles was simply making the best of a bad situation.
I like the “minder” theory, myself. Charles went to keep an eye on him (and perhaps to placate him as well).
Charles seems to be the one doing the most to keep it all together, while everyone else is in their own worlds/power struggles.
TQ protecting her Pet Paedo. (Who I still think might actually be the child of that horsey dude with the funny name.)
Future Future King William trying to look good at all costs. (Rose Who?) Kate trying to keep the family together and keep up appearances.
The Sussexes Noping on out of there, for the time being, as their work was going unappreciated.
IDK what Camilla is doing. She seems generally supportive of her husband, but a bit batty. Personally, I’m not in any way being supportive of Charles, but there have to be days when he’s all, WTF PEOPLE?!
Why couldn’t Andrew and Charles have taken the car to to church? They wanted the photos.
They did take the car. The photos are of them walking from the car to the church.
Personally I think Charles drew the short straw on this one and might have been following the Queen’s directive. I still hold that Charles’ plan to streamline the monarchy is partly to save taxpayer money and partly a smokescreen to get Andrew out. It won’t surprise me if we see Anne and Edward and Sophie still out on royal duties after Charles becomes King.
This is what I think will happen.
So tired of the papers referring to his “friendship” with Epstein only and overlooking the credible accusations of rape.
Exactly. The media are complicit. They completely airbrush out accusations against Andrew in their reports to act like controversy is just over friendship with Epstein.
And yes not surprisingly the royals have closed ranks around Andrew.
So true. The friendship with Epstein shows what kind of a person he is, but it is the rape that makes him a full on criminal who should be facing trial!
Absolutely! The media coverage of this has been softball at best.
The relevant question is: how many media owners and personalities are involved, too?
Leaving aside Epstein’s high profile business and political contacts, the current editor of the Fail and Rupert Murdoch were in Epstein’s black book and both them and Piers Morgan have been pictured with Ghislaine. So no doubt many have incentive to brush Epstein related stories under the carpet.
They act like Andrew walking Beatrice down the aisle is some sort of human right that she is owed. They completely ignore that he should be in jail for raping an underage girl who was a sex trafficking victim. And should have been in jail years ago and prior to Eugenie’s wedding as well.
I know Bea is grown woman but someone needs to step in and tell Andrew he needs to step to the side, for the sake of his daughter if nothing else. If she’s not gonna tell her dad to F off, her finance needs to. this is his wedding too.
How do we know that Beatrice isn’t on board with this?
Yeah, Bea always struck me as being an entitled grifter like her parents. She’s fine with all of this. She’s not worried one bit about the victims, she’s more worried about how to get shady despots and other questionable billionaires to pay for her lifestyle and which stupid hat or ugly outfit to wear to an event sponsored by those same people…
Agreed. She’s 31 years old, not some young naïf.
They will be working steadily to ensure that he can be front and center at her wedding. The DM reported that the Queen invited Edo for Christmas because she feels so bad about Beatrice’s wedding joy being overshadowed.
Speaking of did anyone read about the York family Christmas card, featuring a photo of a dogs butt, they are tacky as hell.
Tourmaline, I was coming here to comment on that! Can’t believe that BM hasn’t come down on THAT, but are using that fake Twitter pic about Meghan… well, scratch that.. I, sadly, CAN believe it. They’d rather go soft on a Pedo who rapes trafficked girls than on a hard-working, biracial woman who married into the family.
why is a divorced couple sending out a joint christmas card anyway?
I give Eug a little more credit than I do Bea. I think Bea, unfortunately, has learned from her parents.
I used to give the girls a pass in regards to Andrew’s pedo ways but then I heard that Tarek KAITUNI attended Beas birthday party and gifted her a diamond necklace. That’s just what we know about, who knows what other shady individuals they are taking elaborate gifts from so the girls are not so innocent to me. Also why the hell is English Prince doing hanging out with a well known weapons smuggler? Randy Andy has gotten a pass for too long.
I think the entire family is on board with this. Again, I repeat, Andrew doesn’t seem the kind of forgive/forget person, and never went down my throat he would keep friends with Fergie after the toe-sucking, even less, living in the same house as good old pals.
Note I dont support him never liked him. I think people should realize he is their family. They know him on a personal level as a dad/uncle/brother/son whom they love. That they are going to be in denial even when evendence is in front of them. No one wants to admit they are related to a creep. They might not even believe what is written about him as most people in that family have had lies written about them.
As someone who’s had dark family members you just dont automatically stop loving them its a very complex feeling as obvously they show different and caring sides towards family members
Thank you duchess chicana, my sentiments exactly. My family also has some skeletons in the closet but that doesn’t mean you instantly boot them out.
This is what family does. Circle the wagons and protects its own. Unless you marry an American divorcee.
So true Royalblue.
Exactly.
You don’t stand up for relatives who use the media to try and blackmail you for access into the royal circle and finance a royal like lifestyle, PERIOD. And you don’t use alleged payments for college and education expenses as IOU’s to be served publicly.
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@Viola She’s talking about the Markles.
Agree with that take Aquarius. I was specifically referring to the British royals but I think you know that.
I totally get, understand, support etc that Andy has no place in public Royal life. Yet in private family life, the notion that we get to be outraged and expect criminals of our choosing should also be emotionally abandoned by their entire family (at Christmas no less) is ….well, I don’t want to go there. Being clear on the crime, the public role of Andy, even the $ support of Andy is one thing……but emotionally abandoning a family Member in private during the holidays? Totally up to each member of the family in my book, based on a whole set of individual circumstances, and no judgement from me in what they decide.
I completely agree with you.
But the thing is, in THIS family, is that I don’t think each individual really HAS that choice. They are TOLD this is what you WILL do…unless they have the cajones to say, “*#$^”! this sh!t, I’m outta here” and give up the gravy train. None of them are seemingly willing to do it.
It remains to be seen if H&M will completely part ways. Right now, they are on a sanctioned “break” (ROSS! lol), but they are planning on coming back to “the fold”. Have to wonder if they will object to being seen with/around Pedo.
My point was really one of private family moments, not sanctioned events. I agree he is now, needs to be and should be completely removed from the Official BRF public eye. But family moments behind the doors? Every one’s individual choice I guess. And what happens there may also be dictated by a matriarch or patriarch, but lets face it……it’s that way in lots of families and everyone plays along, doesn’t, or picks and chooses. It’s family life. 🤪.
As far as H&M, it seems like it’s still a private choice to associate when he’s around in those private family moments….weighing it all out. (Kind of like when I want to see Cousin so and-so at Grandmas bday dinner, but nasty Cousin Creep will be there too.).
FWIW, I’m not overly fixated on the whole Sussex vs Cambridge thing many on this site are…I find it tediously exaggerated for dramatic effect. Truthfully though I can’t comprehend marrying into this family at all, it just hasn’t turned out well for anyone for decades as far as I can see 🤷♀️.
Going to church like that, even in a car, is not a private moment. It has become a public moment.
The wedding is similar. If they do a big ‘do and people line up to see them, it becomes a public moment. Can’t have it both ways. If they want to make it private, they can swing from the chandeliers. (And I am sure that they do, once TQ is off to bed.)
But Andrew needs to hide his face, for a good long while. No one needs to see that.
Or, maybe they do. So we don’t collectively forget Virginia Roberts and the others.
I’m pretty ok with him going to church and he has to get there somehow. I understand the sensitivity of the monarch and other select BRF members being photographed in the same car with him en route however. But I’m going to have to say that I still see church as a private location🤷♀️
Quite frankly we are all being led like sheep. The racist British media are very selective in their headlines to divert attention from the obvious.
1. neither Zara or Peter and their families were in attendance yesterday… where is the collective outrage? There is none.
2. The Queen made special mention of Archie, and had aired photo of the Sussexes plus Doria in her speech. Again, crickets. The media focuses on the photos on the desk.
3. Sorry, but those kids looked miserable. Yes, they occasionally smiled, but overall they looked miserable, as all kids would. Maybe if their cousins were there, they would be more in to it.
I don’t know why I keep feeling surprised. Cannot wait for the Sussex lawsuit to make it to court.
The other day I saw a tabloid cover with Beatrice and thought…karma is a b**ch. After her deplorable behavior at Meghan’s wedding, she deserves what comes around. All of the shame upon the entire family. She was so gleeful. Now her wedding is in shambles because of her pedophile father. If she were more discreet and modest, I would feel bad. But she’s cut from the same cloth.
What did I miss? What did B do at H&M’s wedding?
There was a lot of inappropriate eye-rolling during the sermon. Basically laughing at the Bishop and Black Church. During that beautiful wedding. Not cool. They could have maybe learned something instead of ridiculing.
And, they knew they were on camera. They just didn’t care.
So, so rude.
@ some Most royals were laugh/snickering at some momments. I dont think they meant ot be rude they were just cut off gueard .There are used to a type of way of expressing a sermon as it seemed to be more of a baptist stlyle . They were more used to a different style.
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It was not a Baptist service. He is head of the Episcopal Church in the US, which is an offshoot of the Church of England. The BRF are all supposed to be CoE members.
It was extremely disrespectful in any sort of worship service.
The kids don’t go on the church walk until they are old enough to behave in church. Looks to me like some of the adults could use a refresher.
I am an American black women that preachers behavior was shameful to me. Sick of having to be dragged down by that stereotype
Your harsh comment warrants an explanation. Are you saying he embarrassed you personally? Please describe how the minister’s behavior could’ve “dragged down” anyone watching the service.
Hyperbole… going on too long basically the preacher from Coming to America
Sometimes you’re duty-bound to put on a brave face and do something you really don’t want to do, especially if it involves family. I think that’s what Charles did, he pulled the short stick – I think we’ve all at one time or another had to “grin and bear it”. It shows some fortitude rather than simply sticking up for a loathsome brother. You can still loath someone but be polite, at least in public. We don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors.
What’s with Andrew’s dyed orange eyebrows?
I wonder how many members of his family besides his daughters and the Queen missed having Andy the child creepster join them for the walk? I bet very few of them minded too much. I would be running for home soon after the walk back so I didn’t have to listen to him pout. I am guessing it was less than 24 hours before Kate and company were enroute to join her family for their vacation.
I don’t see why we shouldn’t believe the notion that Beatrice is his greatest supporter. She’s not some helpless little girl being used by her father because she doesn’t know any better. She’s thirty f-cking years old. She’s way past the age of being held accountable for her actions. She’s knowingly and willingly supporting him and likely volunteering to take the fall for him because she genuinely believes that he is above the law and that this is all just a big misunderstanding and that Virginia Roberts is a lying whore who asked for it and should shut her face. Let’s stop with the “poor Bea” stuff, please.
Virgina herself says she has empathy for the girls and doesnt hold their views against them . Yes she’s not going to want to believe what her father did even if she has seen evidence herself, its a complex feeling being related to a man like that.
https://twitter.com/VRSVirginia/status/1206081276978974721
Fair enough, I can empathize with her position too. I’ve read a lot about children of high ranking Nazi officials who still insist beyond all reason that their fathers were “good men” because they were nice to their children. It’s difficult for a child to assess their parent as a human being with human failings. We’re all primed to only see them as we’ve always seen them from the time we’re children.
That being said, I think she is old enough to take ownership of those choices she’s making, no? I can understand the reticence to believe the worst about your father, but that is a choice. From my point of view, and the point of view of any rational person, she’s choosing poorly. Daughter or not, blighted by the relationship she shares with her father or not, I do object to the characterization that she’s so naive that she’s being taken advantage of. She’s not. She’s choosing to prioritize her love for her father and exploit their position in society to protect him, and that choice is coming at the expense of vulnerable women like Virginia Roberts whose sole misfortune was to be born poor and without a title or protection that being the offspring of a constitutional monarch brings. Beatrice is choosing injustice. Daughterly love or not, she’s old enough to be held accountable for what she’s doing.
Until you’re the adult child of a pedo or a trained therapist used to dealing with these issues…you don’t really have a right to judge these girls. Not even the VICTIM is as harsh as you towards these women… probably because she’s been in therapy due to what happened to her and has a better take on it than you. I’m sorry if I seem rude to you…but I’ve lived it. I was both a victim of a family friend as a child and I discovered as an adult that my father was a serial sexual abuser. Do you know how many times I’ve heard ‘YOU HAD TO HAVE KNOWN! SHAME ON YOU!’ Guess what? I DIDN’T! I also didn’t immediately break away from him. Because even as a survivor of sexual abuse myself I had a hard time reconciling the fact that my beloved daddy was just like the man who had hurt me. Pedos wear masks…even to those who THINK they know them like family and friends. Andrew’s girls need therapy, just like I needed to break away. Parental programming is at play here and you can’t write it off as being heartless adults. The damage was done long before adulthood and it sticks. Adulthood doesn’t automatically make you an enlightened genius. It just makes you older. One of the reasons I like MM is because I saw her father try and pull the same crap mine did to try and get her back in his life: the bullying older siblings, faking a heart attack (mine tried to fake cancer) and she told him to f-off. I love her for it but not all of us are born with that kind of backbone. Some have to grow one, others, like myself, have to have them pretty much installed/taught. No one is alike mentally, period. That’s not a bad thing. Andrew’s the criminal, not his daughters.
I’m not claiming that the circumstances are totally honourable, but the age of consent in New York is 17 years of age, is it not? Argued for raising it if you want. The level of vitriol around “Randy Andy” and an expensive (albeit young) courtesan is a bit over the top. Prostitution is illegal, and also rampant, as it has been forever. Victim of human trafficking? Was she forcibly snatched from her mother’s arms?
Age of consent is completely irrelevant.
The American Trafficking Prevention and Victims Act and the UN Palermo Protocol make the transport of children under the age of 18 for purposes of sexual exploitation a federal and international crime, for both the facilitator (Epstein, Maxwell) and the “client” (Andrew).
Anyone under the age of 18 is, by definition, a victim because children cannot legally consent to sex. “Forcibly snatched” or otherwise, they are not – and CANNOT BE – willing participants. They are not prostitutes. They are not “courtesans” (ugh). They are rape victims.