Benedict Cumberbatch discusses Sam Elliott’s comments, talks about toxic masculinity

Benedict Cumberbatch’s Oscar campaign for The Power of the Dog has gone a lot smoother than his previous Oscar campaigns. Remember his campaign for The Imitation Game? Lord, that was at the height of Cumbermania, and during that campaign, we learned that Bendy impregnated Sophie. That man was doing the most back then, and I think he learned a lot from his oversaturation around that time. I’m sure at various points in recent months, Bendy might have even thought he had a shot at winning this time around, but I think Will Smith probably has it locked up at this point. Still, Bendy is doing awards-season events and his energy has definitely been more dignified, more diplomatic, less needy. Benedict was recently at an event for the British Academy, and he was asked about Sam Elliott’s homophobic tantrum about repressed gay cowboys in chaps. Bendy’s response was very thoughtful and interesting:

Appearing on Marc Maron’s WTF podcast last week, Sam Elliott ​​said he took the film’s portrayal of the American west as “f***ing personal”. “They’re running around in chaps and no shirts,” he said. “There’s all these allusions of homosexuality throughout the movie.”

Speaking at a Bafta Film event on Friday (4 March), Cumberbatch was asked about the importance of exploring a character like Phil and his toxic masculinity on screen. Alluding to Elliott’s comments, he added that he was “trying very hard not to say anything about a very odd reaction” made on a recent podcast.

“Without meaning to stir over the ashes of that… someone really took offence to – I haven’t heard it so it’s unfair for me to comment in detail on it – to the West being portrayed in this way,” he said (per Digital Spy). “These people still exist in our world. Whether it’s on our doorstep or whether it’s down the road or whether it’s someone we meet in a bar or pub or on the sports field, there is aggression and anger and frustration and an inability to control or know who you are in that moment that causes damage to that person and, as we know, damage to those around them.”

Cumberbatch added that there was “no harm” in “looking at a character to get to the root causes of that”.

“This is a very specific case of repression,” he continued, “but also due to an intolerance for that true identity that Phil is that he can’t fully be. The more we look under the hood of toxic masculinity and try to discover the root causes of it, the bigger chances we have of dealing with it when it arises with our children.”

[From The Independent]

“These people still exist in our world” – exactly. We’ve all had experiences with toxic people who exhibit that kind of toxicity because of all of the damage done to them. We’ve all met people who bully, abuse and harass other people. What never made any sense about Sam Elliott’s bitching is that it was a fictional story about something that felt very real: gay men not being able to be out of the closet, or even understand their own repressed sexuality. I feel like Bendy spoke about this with more nuance and heart than “a response to Sam Elliott” even deserved.

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  1. Tulipworthy says:

    Excellent response from BC.

  2. kirk says:

    Sam Elliott lauded Brokeback Mountain as “a beautiful film” and the “whole homosexual thing was interesting.” So I don’t really get why everyone is assuming he’s anti-gay for his comments on Dog. He was critical of the Montana setting filmed in NZ – I agree, the mountains didn’t look like Montana. He was also critical of the way cowboys were portrayed and lack of horses – one of the few horse scenes being Phil beating on a horse, yuck! AFAIC, Dancing Queens was way better LGBT Netflix movie than Dog with gorgeous scenery, tight transitions warm human stories – watched in Swedish with English subtitles.

    • MrsBanjo says:

      Sam Elliott has zero experience with ranch life. His parents were from Texas but neither were ranchers. He was born and raised in Northern California and Oregon. He’s bitching about how something is portrayed based on his assumptions about how it should be, despite the fact that the film is based on someone’s lived experience.

      And we’re in a pandemic. New Zealand was a lot safer of a place to film than the US, including Montana.

    • Sara says:

      I agree. I did not take the remarks to mean that sam Elliott is a homophobe. Another unrelated point is that I found the film doggedly boring and B Cumberbatch has a terrible american accent. That coupled with characters who were so contrived, I rolled my eyes through most of it and clapped for joy when the credits finally rolled. I have heard that the book was excellent, and Savage used elements from his life in the story, but it was fiction and the movie seemed so unrealistic.

      • Millennial says:

        Kodi Schmidt-McGee was excellent in the film but Cumberbatch was just okay. His American accent was distracting and his character at times was cartoonishly evil. Kristen Dunst seemed wasted.

      • LightPurple says:

        I couldn’t wait for the damn thing to end. I think the movie looked beautiful but I didn’t care what happened to any of the characters and Cumberbatch cannot do an American accent of any sort.

      • fritanga says:

        OMG, thank you for saying this! Cumberbatch indeed has a horrible American accent, which is most obvious when he plays Doctor Strange. Like other Brits who can’t do the accent (Hugh Laurie, Andrew Lincoln), he over-enunciates because he has problems with American vowels and some consonant sounds. But I guess not every British actor can do perfect American accents like Damian Lewis, Matthew Rhys, or Tom Holland (Andrew Garfield doesn’t count because he’s half-American and comes by his perfect accent naturally).

        I also found Power of the Dog to be extremely draggy, mainly because I figured out the plot when Kodi Smit-McPhee announced in voice over at the beginning that all sons should protect their mothers’ happiness. Also, Jonny Green’s repetitive score drove me insane.

    • Fortuona says:

      Finish with the rest of him comment then !

      ‘It is a beautiful film and I was thrilled for Ang [Lee], but it isn’t a Western,
      For one thing, it’s about a couple of sheepherders, not cattlemen. The whole homosexual thing was interesting—they stepped over the line—but [my wife] Katharine and I both looked at it and thought, ‘what’s the big deal?’

      So why did say And had stepped over the fking line then . Yellowstone filmed in Utah any comment from him on that ?

    • Emma says:

      How do you not see the homophobia when he is literally complaining how many “allusions of homosexuality” the movie has and that is literally one of his main issues with the movie?!

      Jesus.

  3. Lala11_7 says:

    @Kirk….If THAT was the case….Sam should have made his criticism about Thomas Savage’s novel…which had autobiographical elements in it…and he should have railed against COVID…which kept Jane Campion from filming in Montana…so yea…Sam’s criticism comes off as homophobic & sexist as hell…

  4. Mel says:

    First of all, Elliott’s comment were also deeply misogynistic, calling Jane Campion “that woman”. Second of all, if he wanted to say HE has had a different experience with ranch life or meeting people coming from that world, he could have said so without bringing “that homosexuality thing”.
    When he said “piece of shit movie” he was giving his opinion, as is his right, about the film. The minute he brought homosexuality in there, that took a turn that cannot be ignored. There are MILLIONS of ways to say you didn’t like the movie without bringing that up.
    Also, hello, Covid…sorry it’s not the perfect setting you wanted. You don’t see me bitching whenever anyone slaps a fake Eiffel Tower and calls it Paris. There are many reasons why locations are chosen, financial being one of the main ones. Maybe it was easier to film in NZ.
    I’m trying to see it from the perspective of the people who didn’t get a homophobic vibe, but I’m having a hard time…

    • Robert Phillips says:

      The real west wasn’t anything like Elliot thinks it was. He’s used to the televised versions of Gunsmoke and the Rifleman. And the movies he has been in. Western town back then tried to be as much like Boston and Philly were back then. They had entertainment brought in including Opera singers. And a lot of them you had to check your guns at the border. And if you want to talk about homosexuality. A lot of cowboys were gay. They left the big cities to get away from bigotry. And moved west were there were just them and a few other guys. Sort of like catholic priests. Living out there with mostly cattle and a few other guys for months if not years at a time. Of course sexual urges came to the surface and took over sometimes. Just think about men in prison for years. Sexual urges are a basic need. They don’t go away simply because there are no women around.

      • Fortuona says:

        Which is where Elliot’s wife made her name as well before she made The Graduate and Butch and Sundance

  5. North of Boston says:

    I don’t get some of the SE comments or the accent comments. Having seen the film, it’s clear the brothers at the center of the film (Cumberbatch and Plemons) are transplants from a monied family back East who went to college and were taught ranching in their teens, 20’s by a ranch hand. Phil’s entire presentation is him playing a role, sometimes to irritate or bully others … his walk, his dress, his talk is almost entirely Phil role-playing, for reasons the film explores very well IMO. Phil doesn’t pronounce piano oddly or sometimes speaks like an aw shucks caricature because BC failed at an American accent, but because the character is being a jerk and mocking people or burying his true nature to keep a memory, connection alive.

    SE ‘s complaints about how this film doesn’t portray the real west (as seen on TV or movies he was in or likes) is kind of like like someone saying that Cool Runnings is a bad movie because its characters aren’t like the ones in The Pirates of the Caribbean. You may not like Cool Runnings but that’s a stupid complaint.

  6. Anon says:

    They started filming in Montana and moved to NZ due to covid FYI

    This was filmed peak early covid, when most world-wide production was on hold, and there were about 7 large productions in NZ at the time because it was one of the only safe places (I work in NZ film)

    • kirk says:

      Anon – thanks for the info on setting. I know that a lot of Dog scenes showed typical arid West landscape, but the mountains just didn’t look quite right. Speaking of NZ movies, totally loved movie Hunt for the Wilderpeople – watched on Netflix of course since I rarely go out to theatre anymore.