King Charles and Queen Camilla have spent decades lying and scheming to get what they want, and all of those efforts have come into fruition this year. Camilla will be known as “Queen Camilla” now, not Princess Consort or even Queen Consort. She will have all of the jewelry (minus the Koh-i-Noor) she wants. And now, she’s taking steps to ensure that her children and grandchildren will be included in the coronation too. Keep in mind, Camilla and Charles are still playing stupid games about Charles’s mixed-race grandchildren, but his all-white step-grandchildren? He’s all about including them.
The Queen’s grandchildren will have a prominent official role at the coronation and Prince George is also set to feature in the service, in two significant breaks with royal precedent. In a “bold move”, the King and Queen have decided that her grandchildren, who have long been shielded from the limelight, will be included in the ceremony at Westminster Abbey on May 6, to signal their closeness to Charles and his consort.
Camilla, 75, has five grandchildren, who call her by the nickname “GaGa”. Her son, Tom Parker Bowles, has Lola, 15, and Freddy, 13, and her daughter, Laura Lopes, has Eliza, 15, and twins, Louis and Gus, 13. She is devoted to them, as is Charles, who read Harry Potter to them when they were younger and did impersonations of the characters in JK Rowling’s series about the boy wizard. Camilla’s decision to include the five teenagers sends a strong message that she and Charles are a couple who reflect the realities of modern life, of which “a blended family is a central element”. Unlike the 1950s, when Elizabeth’s coronation took place, step-parents and stepchildren are common as a result of divorce.
Buckingham Palace has said the coronation “will reflect the monarch’s role today and look towards the future, while being rooted in longstanding traditions and pageantry”. It is understood that Camilla has asked her grandchildren to hold the canopy over her as she is anointed with holy oil during the most sacred part of the ceremony. Duchesses have previously performed the role. A royal source said: “The Queen Consort has said she does not want duchesses. She would like it to be her grandchildren.”
In another break with tradition, a significant role for George, nine, is being discussed. The King and Queen are due to meet the Prince and Princess of Wales soon to talk about possible options. Royal sources say Charles and Camilla are eager for George, as a future king, to feature, and William and Kate are also keen, provided a role can be found that does not subject him to overwhelming scrutiny.
A source who knows the King and Queen well said of their decision to give Camilla’s grandchildren an official role: “It sends a nice signal and is quite a bold move. It is another example of the King and Queen Consort being unafraid to shake things up a bit to reflect the realities of modern life, of which a blended family is a central element.”
The inclusion of Camilla’s grandchildren and Prince George in the two-hour ceremony is likely to further fuel speculation over whether the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will attend the service, and whether they will be accompanied by their children, Archie, who will be four on coronation day, and Lilibet, who will be nearly two. Palace sources have indicated that the Sussexes will be invited as “much loved” members of the King’s family but Harry and Meghan have not yet indicated whether they will attend.
I hope this is the thing which convinces the Sussexes to stay home, honestly. There are two lines of palace briefings happening concurrently. One, “Harry must be punished,” we hate Harry and Meghan, we don’t want Meghan to come, Meghan and her children should stay away, we’ll boo the mixed-race royals, Harry won’t even be seated with his family! Two, look at this gloriously blended modern family, look at how much Charles adores his step-grandkids, Charles and Camilla are going out of their way to include Camilla’s family because that’s their priority. Yeah. Opting out is always an option, Haz. The message will be clear, just like it was during the Jubbly, when they made such a BFD about the all-white balcony.
The part about George is coming straight from Buckingham Palace too – the palace briefed multiple outlets about how the coronation would lean into imagery highlighting the line of succession, meaning lots of shots of Charles, William and George together.
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Chuck should have been reading to his own grandchildren. This is puzzling because Camilla allegedly kept raymill so she could see her grandchildren since Chuck did not like small children being around or so I read.
@Tessa … Looking at the time-line, when Charles was reading “Harry Potter” to Camilla’s grandchildren, William and Kate were camping out at the Middletons and Charles didn’t have any or very little access to George. I remember reading articles about how sad and disappointed (and angry?) Charles was to not have access to George.
I thought it was strange at the time that William and Kate spent so much time with Kate’s parents, exclusively. Perhaps in hindsight, William blocked Charles because he knew how much time Charles was investing in Camilla’s family?
I’m torn on whether or not I think the Sussexes should just stay home. Does Charles want them to attend out of love of ego? It saddens me that Charles hasn’t desired to spend time with Harry’s children. The last time he saw Archie was at his Christening. The Queen saw more of Charles’s grandchildren than he has. Sad.
Well if it’s just about Harry Potter he could do that now, right? It’s for kids around 10 I thought
@Celine … The first, and possibly second book in the series, are probably set for kids between 9 – 12 years of age, but like everything else it depends upon the kid. IMOHO, the first Harry Potter book is much like The Hobbit, the first book in the Lord of the Rings series.
Some parents might chose to read Harry Potter book one and The Hobbit to kids as young as 5, with grand impersonations like Charles did. It really wouldn’t be much different than reading fairytales to young kids where evil Queens attempt to kill pretty princesses and old ladies lure kids into her house so she can try and put them in the oven. But some kids would probably have nightmares for many nights, so book one of Harry Potter and The Hobbit would be beyond them.
9 – 12-year-olds are most likely reading Harry Potter books and The Hobbit on their own.
Or @Yvette, Charles could read the grandkids a story about a wicked stepmother who bewitched a King, tortured and drove away the true Princess, alienated his real sons and made herself Queen, then worked to….oh, wait…
@The Hench … LOL! True, absolutely true! 🙂
😂@the Hench! The Wicked Witch of Windsor, a dark fairy tale
Minus the royal stuff, I’ve seen this situation twice in my extended family.
Specifically, it’s men with traditional lifestyle and values, meaning they rely on their spouse to organize their private life. The mother of his children dies, the man remarries, and New Wife is in charge of the social part of his life.
It’s like a traditional woman giving over tax prep to her husband. Don’t want to know, just tell me where to sign stuff.
Seen it, seen it, seen it.
It’s a tale as old as time…. Harry is a modern day Cinderfella. Dead Mom – Check; Wicked Stepmom – Check; Made to do all the work, wear shabby clothes and live in shabby rooms – Check; Check; Check; Finally rescued by true love – CHECK!
Maybe they ARE his grandchildren. He and Camilla have been at it for a long time. Who knows?
He probably read to them once….
What an ugly, horrible racist trash family. I hope the Sussexs stay home too. Charles has never gone hard for his own children why would he for his grandbabies with a drop of black in them. Nasty old man.
I hope they stay home and send a simple, “Well bless their hearts.”
OMG if anyone ever deserved a “Bless your heart” it is the Windsors
The only Queen title Cunning Cowmilla is getting from me is Dairy Queen.
These people have no shame.
@MY3CENTS I am officially adopting Dairy Queen as my go-to nickname for Cams. Nothing else ever seemed quite right until this!
I will go for that! KFC and Dairy Queen
I called her the “Slapper Queen” the other day. For non-Brits, a slapper is slang for “a woman of loose morals and who sleeps around”.
So far we have Burger King, Dairy Queen and KFC. Loving these cheap fast food nicknames.
Maybe Kate can be in-n-out burger, due to her love of short engagements.
I sincerely wish Harry would write off his very toxic family but in his heart he’s an institutionalist. He just wants his family accepted into the institution and on his terms – which won’t happen. I get that it’s his father and a momentous event, but I’ll lose a little respect for him if he shows up TBH.
@EM…….
Where on gods green earth have you ever heard Prince Harry say “he just wants his family accepted into the institution and on his terms.” FFS! He abhors how the institution of the monarchy currently operates and has stated CATEGORICALLY that he wants nothing to do with it.
From as early as May 2021 on Dax Shepherd’s podcast H said that he’s “seen behind the curtain [i:e the monarchy;] he’s seen how it operates; and he “want[s] no part of it.” He said something similar in the Me You Cant See docu; and he lays it all out in Spare.
So where did you get this lie that he wants his family to be “accepted into the institution???”
Some people have a hard time finding the cognitive ability to differentiate between the british MONARCHY and the WINDSOR FAMILY, that comprises Harry’s extended family (on his paternal side) and includes: his [now deceased] paternal grandparents; his father [and deceased mother]; his brother; 1 aunt and 2 uncles (Ann, RandyAndy & Edward); 2 nephews and 1 niece; 3 sets of cousins (and their offspring) from his father’s 3 sibblings..
^THAT^ is H’s extended family (on the paternal side). ^THAT^ is the family he’s interested in maintaining ties with and for them to accept and love his own nuclear family. And, BTW, that was the “large family” that H said M never had and which M herself said she was so looking forward to being a part of.
But the people within that extended family that he is most estranged from, ironically, comprises his father and brother. And he has stated categorically that he has nothing more to say to them until they apologize to his wife; and agree to discuss how they can move forward as a FAMILY, without interference from the INSTITUTION of the monarchy.
But he has also said that he has no expectation of an apology. And, of course, via their usual mouthpieces, the father and brother have already responded to H, saying they have no intention of apologizing, as they do not accept that they have done anything for which they need to apologize.
Thanks @Kingston.
Will George have to wear a.uniform or crown for this. He is imo too young and is at a young age treated more special than his siblings. If Camilla grandchildren are allowed to participate so should charlotte.
Camilla’s grandchildren are all teenagers and I hope were given the choice to participate. George and Charlotte are small children who should not be forced into formal roles. If they attend, they should be sitting with their parents.
With the mistress’ grandchildren having prominent roles, W&K are going to insist that George be involved. William is probably already incandescent that this came out before a role for any of his children was discussed. The whole thing is ridiculous, including constant referral to the anointing as “the most sacred part” of the ceremony. What is “sacred” about two old trash bags being crowned with stolen gems? Harry and Meghan should think really hard about attending if they are indeed tempted to do so.
Elizabeth wore a crown at the coronation of George 6th. It looked like a Burger King crown, to be honest. I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled out that crown for George.
Margaret got to wear a crown also.
That was her father’s coronation, right? Although seeing William in a Burger King crown would be *chef’s kiss* for certain corners of the internet.
I don’t know why Camilla wants her grandkids to hold up the canopy, when they can get pages to do that. Someone said that she is doing this to raise their profile, because in years to come they will be remembered for playing these significant roles.
I also don’t know why Camilla, who swore blind that she did not want to be Queen, is now being anointed??
This pair is something else. I do not ever want to hear about how Camilla never wanted to be Queen again. She is living for this moment to elevate herself and her offspring. But hey, at least she cares about her grandchildren unlike her husband. I wonder why…
I think Camilla always wanted Charles to give her children titles.
you are so right. I bet her drug addled sloth-looking son will soon be the Duke of something or other.
Can we please not addiction shame. Substance abuse disorder is a disease. Would you refer to him as cancer addled?
@Tacky — Chaine is not “addiction-shaming”. You don’t choose to get cancer, and as a breast cancer survivor I resent that comment. People DO choose to do drugs, even those who are brought up with money, education and social status. In that sense his drug problem wasn’t a disease, it was a hobby. I can understand how underprivileged kids from abusive and impoverished family circumstances can turn to drugs to help them deal with the terrible stuff life has thrown at them, but Tom PB had it pretty easy and the onus was on him to stay away from drugs.
@Jaded, stop victim blaming. Rich people also have mental and physical health issues that they self medicate with booze or drugs, which is how they become addicts. No one chooses to become an addict and no one should be blamed or shamed for having the disease of addiction. Just like no one chooses to have cancer and no one should be blamed or shamed for having the disease of cancer.
@Tacky – where on earth did I victim blame? Tom PB comes from enough wealth, education and societal acceptance that he doesn’t get sympathy for the choices he made. He didn’t have mental/physical issues that led him down that path, and he seems to have done a great job getting drugs out of his life and on a good career path. However, the key is he made the choice to take drugs and got caught in a downward spiral that wasn’t forced on him by unfortunate circumstances. I’m old and knew many young people in my teens and twenties who started abusing drugs for no other reason than it was fun, it was considered cool. Kids from good families, loving parents, etc. who seemed stable and in control. Yes, drug addiction BECOMES a disease, and for many it’s a way out of unbearable experiences, like alcohol is. However, getting cancer isn’t remotely like addiction. I didn’t do anything to create the cancer in my breast. I didn’t smoke, rarely drank, ate a healthy diet, exercised, and yet I was one of the 1 in 8 women who get it.
@Tacky, thank you, ITA with all of your comments here.
Camilla was happy to throw Harry under the bus regarding drugs but her son was implicated and his addiction was far more deep and serious was kept in the shadows.
@Whyforthelove: I’ve been saying the same thing for years. If Camilla didn’t want to be Queen she would’ve respected Harry and Williams wishes and not married Charles. She always wanted the title and is still completing with Diana even though she’s no longer with us.
Amy Bee absolutely, Diana occupies a huge chunk of real estate in Camilla’s had rent free….almost as rent free as the 17 castles this family lives in at the expense of their “subjects.”
Almost as if Camilla is saying to Diana, “I took your husband, I got your grandchildren, and now I’m going to take the title that was once was supposed to be yours.” She really is loathsome.
As someone on Twitter pointed out, ‘Whatever Camilla wants, Camilla gets.’
If this were the 15th and 16th centuries, this would be a prelude to the beginning of a war over the throne – between the usurpers arrayed behind Camilla and those arrayed behind William.
Frankly, I’m not sure we won’t see some nastiness -as waged through the papers – between Camilla’s power grabbing ways and William.
We should invest in popcorn.
I know William wished he stayed in the army longer and Andrew
Hadn’t committed acts. Because this would be a war and William could’ve won. The papers said Andrew tried to get Diana to push for William to become king or Charles. It could’ve worked if everyone kept focus. Im surprised parliament hasn’t stepped in.
This is 🤢🤮. And Charles just continues to give the Sussexes and his biracial grandchildren the 🖕. Disgusting, nasty old pig.
They’re talking about that “longstanding tradition” of white supremacy. This will be one of the grossest displays of everything wrong with civilization in modern history.
That’s exactly the tradition they are talking about, and too many Brits are leaning in hard to white supremacy. That, and the tradition of grifting, laziness and total lack of accountability. The UK is so diminished and tarnished by this trash.
Which is why that hall is going to be full to the rafters with POC. LMAO
Literally, it is “I will make up new people to put on the balcony”
You already drummed into our heads that Only
Working Royalty gets to be on the balcony.
married ins are not royalty and their kids have not yet “earned it”
Charles looked uncomfortable holding one of Camilla grandchildren on the balcony.of course though the spin is he is close to them. I think this is Charles being spiteful to harry and Meghan and their children.
I mean, I don’t think any of us expected Archie and Lili to have any kind of official role in the ceremony, given how young they are, but it makes sense that George might have some sort of role. And on its face, the inclusion of Camilla’s grandchildren in this way makes sense, and seems like a nice effort to include her family.
But, that said, its such a “slap in the face” to use the RRs language to Archie and Lili and H&M, especially if we figure Camilla’s children and grandchildren will be on the balcony (I’ve seen that mentioned on twitter not sure if its been confirmed?) And Charles has used up any “benefit of the doubt” I might have given him 5 years ago, you know? This is being done to hurt Harry and Meghan and to “other” them and their children, to show how unwanted they are in the royal family. They are placing Camilla’s grandchildren above Charles’ own grandchildren, and for a family that supposedly places so much importance on hierarchy and royal blood, its very telling and problematic.
The image will be clear: the white family is included, the mixed-race family is excluded. We’ll see how that plays long-term, especially as the Invictus Games come up this year. and other events where Meghan and Harry do demonstrative good in their family. I think we’re in for years of “Why again were they excluded?” And as unpopular as Camilla is, I don’t think many people will warm up to her kids and grandkids playing a prominent role. The people who loved Diana won’t love this.
LANNE, what would I give to see Louis running down the asile doing a few body pops on the way, then a cartwheel in front of the throne lol
Since KC likes to put out so much PR, he could have let it be known that he wants all his family involved, at least behind the scenes and would like a portrait done with ALL his grandchildren instead of only George being mentioned. It wouldn’t even have to be public or made public.
This whole PR push seems designed to piss people off. Camilla might be tolerated by whoever doesn’t still actively dislike her, but Diana is still far more beloved, and all this is doing is bringing up Diana’s name more and more. And no matter how one feels about the Sussexes, Harry is still Diana’s son. @Equality is right; Charles should at least *pretend* he wants all of his own children and grandchildren included, but he can’t or won’t even do that. The bare minimum.
Absolutely no one besides Camilla cares about her children and grandchildren, and this seems like squandering any small amount of goodwill Camilla *may* have with the public. This story right after Queen Camilla is too much. Honestly, the palace’s PR people need THEIR OWN PR people. I know we say here all the time “how are they so bad at this?” but JFC, they just keep reaching new levels of tone-deafness.
I never, ever read comments on the DM because they’re such a cesspool of a joke, but yesterday I did out of curiosity, and they were 99.9% negative. About Charles, Camilla (lots of “Not My King/Queen!”), William, and most surprisingly to me, even very negative about Kate. This family seems to be on extremely thin ice right now but not realizing it. To be pushing this right now is clearly an incredibly bad idea, but Charles is going to Charles.
Calling anything to do with these disgusting, racist adulterers “sacred” is laughable and it seems like everyone but maybe the most ardent, brainwashed royalists know it and isn’t afraid to say it outright.
I kind of saw the inclusion of the grandchildren as protection. Like surround Camilla with cute kids while she’s being anointed in order to get better coverage. Now, it’s going to make William incandescent for sure, but if I was Charles and Camilla, I wouldn’t care at all about what William wants.
Yeah, the DM comments and the comments on the most pro-royal boards I could find were just savage. Camilla is so incredibly unpopular, the less said about her the better. She could be a supportive background player like Anne or something. But instead, they used this weekend to push her forward. And the grandkids, too? Just bad PR all the way around. It’s like they made some sort of PR101 gamble that “going negative” about H&M would eventually make Camilla popular, but it just didn’t happen. It’s quite something to see and they deserve everything coming to them. Most people are checked out on the Coronation itself, but I think a lot of people are going to be very angry when they anoint her and put a crown on her head. That’s just too much. That’s not the right visual for this moment. It’s fun to see them fail.
The idea of including the step grandchildren would work better if all of Charles’s grandkids are present as well. Since that doesn’t seem to be happening, it will look like as long as you are all white you can attend, even if not related by blood.
Exactly! If all the grandkids were there, and the step grandkids had a role in the ceremony (especially considering they are older than William and Harry’s kids), this would be a nice gesture. But as it is, it just highlights who is NOT involved/invited/welcome.
I kinda think the royals and the media are forgetting that Camilla’s grandkids are older now. Ideal ages for “cute points in media coverage” are 6-9. Some of those kids are a few years older. The photos will not look as sweet as they imagine.
@TeeCee, I was fooled by the years-old photo the Fail used with this story. Thank you for pointing this out
It has been hinted that Charlotte and Louis will have spectator roles at the coronation, (I think there is a balcony area in Westminster Abbey) Heaven knows what George will have to do.
H&M may not want it but there is no reason why Archie at 4, on his birthday should not be a spectator. Charles was four plus when he watched his mother crowned and that was a much longer ceremony.
An adultress being anointed with holy oil. Abolish the monarchy.
Well, from that perspective, its not like she would be the first one.
Exactly. And her adultery is not really why I dislike her so much, lol. If the PR story Charles and Camilla try to shill (about them just being two people who fell in love despite their marriages) was actually true, then things would be very different.
But given that Camzilla’s replacing the aggrieved but still beloved late Princess Diana, going to these lengths is in monumentally bad taste. They are putting a massive spotlight on celebrating their marital union and the anointing Camzilla by God in an ancient ceremony is meant to legitimize their tawdry relationship. I hope there’s a revolt from that masses that day. The tackiness is astounding.
Agreed, Becks. Let’s not pretend like any royal in England has ever earned being anointed with holy oil, as if being holy has ever mattered, or is even a thing.
Don’t forget the adulterer. Takes two to tango. He won’t be the first, either.
The Church of England’s entire existence is rooted in the adulterous behaviour of the monarch. This is their normal.
I mean….it was only adulterous to people who sided with the Pope over him. Which is a seat with historic and contemporary exploitative problems of its own.
This is so true. The very existence of the CoE is rooted in adultery.
@C
No, it was adulterous because he wanted to divorce his wife in order to marry his mistress and produce a male heir and needed to break with the Pope in order to do that. It’s the having a mistress in the first place that’s adulterous, and starting a Church in order to do that “legally.” Unless Catherine of Aragon was totally fine with his behaviour, it was adulterous.
No, that’s not what happened. He never believed his first marriage was valid at all which is why he sought an annulment (and I’d like to point out, the Church had dissolved marriages before on far more tenuous grounds). And the people directly opposed to that viewpoint were all people who believed he was wrong not for wanting to marry Anne Boleyn but because he was opposing the judgement of the Pope. So you had two camps – the ones who believed his marriage to Catherine was legitimate and the ones who didn’t believe the Pope had the right to oppose Henry’s decision in his own domain. The Anglican Church when founded by Henry VIII was still Catholic, just not under the jurisdiction of the Pope. The Protestant elements came later.
@Mrs. Banjo — Anne Boleyn was actually never his mistress. She refused to sleep with him, as her older sister had done when she became his mistress, then Henry tossed her aside in favour of Anne. She wanted the ring on her finger before that happened so she insisted on waiting until they got married.
@Jaded
Fair enough, but the point still stands. Henry had mistresses and because the one he wanted to also be a mistress refused without a ring in the finger, he broke from the Pope in order to make it happen.
@C
He was not granted the annulment and started a whole ass church that to this day has a head claiming to be anointed by god because Henry wanted a “legitimate” male heir and Catherine couldn’t produce one.
It was a church founded by a serial adulterer (because unless they were fucking poly, it was adultery regardless of religion) that claims the monarch is anointed by god. As I said. It is the normal for these people.
C. Henry did believes his marriage to Catherine valid. He wanted a male heir he had sons none of whom survived infancy. He had one surviving child mary. He started his doubts well into the marriage to Catherine when he wanted to marry anne boleyn. Catherine was put aside for anne. Anne had no surviving boy child so he trumped up charges against her and had her executed so he could marry Jane seymour. The Catholic church did not back up Henry and his belief the marriage to Catherine should be annulled so he founded his own church
This is an interesting debate. Maybe it’s because I grew up Jewish but I don’t see how the Anglican Church theology in this situation is all that unsound compared to Catholic theology unless you really believe Catholicism is the one true religion and others aren’t…?
And back then there were no purely secular marriage licenses, just ecclesiastical pronouncements like Archbishop Cranmer’s for his wedding to Anne Boleyn. I’m not too sure the practical difference of one Anglican priest waving his hand and going woo woo versus a Catholic one.
Henry didn’t believe his marriage was valid, and these doubts were shared by others for a long time, so that’s my point, if the marriage isn’t valid, it’s not adultery, which is how he saw it. Actually, Henry VIII had no maitresses-en-titre like Francis I, or, let’s face it, Charles in the 90’s (for all practical purposes), even though he had flings and discreet affairs, but the Church was fine with closing its eyes to that.
Anyway, my other point is let’s not pretend the Catholic Church had any real moral legitimacy over him, lol. I can agree with a lot of pronouncements about how crappy he was but not that.
Tessa – he did have a son, Henry Fitzroy, with Bessie Blount and possibly Mary Boleyn’s child Henry Carey although nobody know that for sure.
The existence of Fitzroy and possibly the other son is what helped convince him that he was capable of fathering a male heir and that his doubts (which people like William Warham raised at the time of his marriage to Catherine) were justified.
At the time that he fell in love with Anne Boleyn, Wolsey was proposing to annul his marriage to Catherine and have him marry a French princess. So the issue was there before Anne Boleyn.
@jaded, it is my understanding that Anne Boleyn WAS pregnant when she married Henry, hence his haste in getting the Catherine matter settled.
Henry’s belief that his marriage wasn’t valid was a trumped up excuse to get a divorce because she wasn’t giving him sons. He was certainly ok making children with her and Mary was treated as a legitimate heir until he decided he wanted a son as heir.
Funny how people on Twitter and everywhere only have memes about the adulteress flaming up when touched by sacred oil. Not the adulterer. huh.
It could be because the sidepiece allowed herself to be used, highly visibly, in gaslighting and tormenting the then young (intended) and actual wife, Diana, blatantly rubbing it in her face that she was Diana’s husband’s mistress.
Charles, as usual, with his hypocritical, weak self, pretended he was innocent and above the fray, but also gaslighting his young bride.
Folks already hate mistresses but especially abhor the barefaced ones like charles’ decades-long sidepiece.
Don’t worry. Charles is in for a ‘fun’ time as well. He isn’t alienating more people by the day. And people remember how he used Diana.
These coronation stories honestly remind me of why I had no interest in this family, beyond Diana, Harry and Meghan. Living in a former colony, this feels so incredibly distasteful….the pageantry involved, for this woman who is being presented as being rewarded for being so disingenuous to everyone who didn’t serve her interests. And I’m not discounting the messy, selfish nature of Charles. I can understand why Harry saw the writing on the wall and wanted out. How do you sit there and be party to this level of treachery. I can’t imagine that he is going.
I agree. It’s like they think this will make Harry feel left out and want to be included. I have a feeling they are both saying “thank god we’re out!”
Well well well. A modern blended family. What about an interracial family with some biracial grandkids? Too modern? I think we all know the answer. They king and queen are really just common trash.
The emphasis on modern was interesting to me. You know what else is modern? Accepting your son’s biracial wife.
Unfortunately I don’t ever see that happening and it is just outrageous.
The irony being Harry and Meghan were the only ones actually modernizing the royal family.
There’s nothing modern about a ceremony with its roots in the middle ages. Like putting lipstick on a pig.
@Quinnlyn, LOL, no, she clearly wasn’t, wedding notwithstanding. Charles made her and Harry buy their own furniture while he paid for William and Kate’s lavish furnishings. They told Meghan she should keep working as an actress.
She was never fully accepted.
Did Charles pay for the wedding voluntarily? Perhaps QE insisted. It also was to his advantage PR wise to have the big wedding and to walk Meghan down the aisle. The wedding brought in more money to the UK than was spent on it. Some of that money from selling royal-branded merchandise would have gone to the crown coffers.
Exactly. The “source” is at least correct about it sending a signal…
@Quinnlyn, sorry, but Becks is right. Meghan was never truly accepted. Charles (and the Queen) did those things for optics and to enhance their own reputations. (And, for a while, it worked! Many of us were fooled.) But there’s an enormous difference between acceptance and what that family did to Harry, Meghan, and their children.
Are they expecting global coverage of the ceremony featuring C&C and her grandchildren? Good luck with that.
Did a double take at “The queen’s grandchildren” – I still only think of one person as the Queen.
And I hope Harry pops onto some Reddit subthreads to see how he isn’t along in the many people with poor parents find those parents doubling down on being great grandparents as if they can rewrite history.
@Ceej, the only person who hears or reads “The Queen” and thinks it’s referring to Camilla will be Camilla, and I suspect it will be that way for a very long time. Trying to push this onto the public is a foolish move on her (and Charles’s) part, and an unforced error. The backlash was swift and fierce.
C&C may have “gotten everything they want” on paper, but Charles will never get the public adoration he craves and Camilla will never be more than one of history’s most infamous mistresses. It’s a hollow “victory,” IMO.
They are doing this to keep sending Harry and Meg a message… hope they are receiving it and stay away from this 💩 show. F the royal family and all these clowns. H and M don’t need this nonsense.
CEL1495, I agree, this rabid old pair of gnomes should just go the whole hog and Don White gowns and hoods. THAT is who they really are, sad old white supremesists and they are showing it in so many ways. Of course camilla’s grandchildren have a prominent role, this IS HER VICTORY LAP, and she wants them to see it. And GAGA is what both of these dinosaurs are. William is no doubt throwing his nasty little self around Windsor in a fit of rage, because roles for George and possibly Charlotte have not been mentioned FIRST,. I hope it bloody pours with rain all day and Kates wiglet gets all frizzy. Harry please stay home with your wife and children. This is going to be a complete bloody farce. HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND CHARLIE? You shouldn’t even be a head of lettuce
@Cel2495 – Sorry to disagree but, I honestly don’t think this is about Harry and Meghan. This is all about Diana. If there was a way for Camilla to stop William and his heirs/spares attending she would use it. She’s managed to get rid herself of one of Diana’s boys but, getting rid of William would be difficult even for her. Camilla may be crowned queen but, a lot of people will be thinking of Diana on the day. When Camilla married Charles I surprised myself by shedding a tear for Diana and I wasn’t even a huge Diana fan. So, watching the woman who stole her life being crowned, is going to be hard for a lot of people all around the world. It’s well documented on here that I’m not a fan of William but, I’m sure even he will be thinking about his mother when the witch is crowned.
The less reminders of that woman’s treachery when the crown is put on her head the better it is for her. Pushing her grandchildren to the fore and pushing Diana’s grandchildren into the background is her way of trying to airbrush Diana out of occasion. For once I honestly believe that Camilla doesn’t care about the colour of the grandchildren, she just cares that their attendance will remind people of what she did to their grandmother Diana.
Watching the dynamic that develops between Chuck and Cow and the Incendiary Heir is going to be interesting.
Immediately, Spare comes to mind. The part about Camilla’s son acting like a fool and the press not reporting on it in exchange for … yeah. Just stay out of the limelight, this is not smart. But I guess Camilla & family are the true famewh*res here?
On the one hand, I hope the Sussexes stay in lovely California, they have absolutely nothing to gain here. On the other hand, this coronation needs some attractive people and I don’t think Kate can carry this alone (before you all come for me, yes, I do think she is reasonably attractive even if most here hate her guts).
No lies detected. People are mean and catty to her here because of her behavior, but she does look the part. She ought to–it’s the only thing she seems to care about, and the only thing she gets consistent praise for. But however much they infantalize her, she’s still a middle-age woman, and the next “hot young thing” on the horizon (I’m talking in terms of imagery and public attention, not sexuality) is Charlotte in about 10 years.
If looks are all kate’s got, then then need to take advantage of that and shove her out in public as often as possible. They need her to pull her weight.
And god help that child if she doesn’t look the part. Genetics are weird, and even though she has slim parents, there’s no guarantee that she will share their type. I only bring it up because you know the media will be brutal if she doesn’t conform to a very narrow set of traits. I’m not shame-speculating here. The mods can delete this if they think it’s not appropriate. I’m calling out a media that will not hesitate to shame her, and I worry that her parents won’t protect her.
Lanne, you do bring up a good point. Kate is clearly ill, at the least she has a very unhealthy relationship with food and her body. And parents who pride themselves on their looks usually pass down issues to their children, who react different ways.
The child of the church pastor I grew up with was overweight (socially prominent in a small town), and the parents frantically tried all kinds of punishments and incentives for him to lose weight at a fairly young age. I heard about it later and was completely shocked, I know that he never felt fully loved and accepted by his dad, because of his weight and his dad’s perspective on it.
Combine a million times the social prominence and a million times the scrutiny, I really hope that Charlotte especially is somehow protected. It really does make me so sad for her.
Can you imagine what the Wailes and the media would do to Catherina Amalia of the Netherlands if she were British? She’s a beautiful girl, but she isn’t thin. The UK has very specific rules for its Princesses–remember the Duchess of Pork for Fergie when she was pregnant or post-partum? The British tabloids are a national disgrace.
I’d be worried about these kids getting a spotlight bc that’s usually a prelude to tabloid attention and grossness. Is that really a can of worms Camilla wants to open? They’ve been mostly left alone so far. But then I think, well, Camilla seems to have the tabs wrapped around her finger so maybe she’s not worried about it. Or doesn’t care?
She is in bed with the tabloids so she doesn’t need to care what they will write. They write what she wants.
Her family is protected. Charles’ isn’t. They drove Harry off. Watch them go after William next.
Do those teenagers really want to be included in this, particularly as they’ve been shielded for years? Do their parents think it’s a good idea? I don’t think the late Queen had any role in her father’s coronation although she was nearly the same age as George is now. Holding the canopy over or anointing someone who is just as normal a person as anyone else with holy oil and not someone God-chosen looks very old-fashioned to me. I just don’t think these make the coronation appear modern or a family affair.
Princesses elizabeth and Margaret did not participate in any coronation duties they were spectators. I think George who is about the same age as princess Elizabeth was then is too young to be a participant.he needs to have a childhood.
Elizabeth was 11 when her father was crowned, so George is younger.
There is no need for him to be a part of this. It would make more sense if it was his father’s coronation.
If the treatment of the Sussexes was better I’d applaud this move. It’s totally normal that Camilla would want her family with her on such a big day. The Norwegian royals have handled the crown princess’s son by a former relationship very well over the years. Blended families should be included. But it should come along with not treating your own children shabbily. And this just makes it look all the starker.
More gaslighting. We’ll completely ignore the biracial grandchildren of the king and threaten to strip them of their birthright, telling two toddlers that they need to earn their titles. But also, we’re a modern family and want to celebrate that by having the grandchildren of the racist bully of a queen involved. We’re all about tradition and the line of succession so we want to have George there (while also somehow not subjecting him to overwhelming scrutiny 🙄). But we also don’t want Harry or his children – the 5th, 6th, and 7th in line to the throne – to come and if they do, we’ll do everything we can to try to humiliate and otherize them.
King Chuckles and Peggington, and their nasty, racist wives are disgusting and can go straight to hell. I hope the Sussex family stays far, far away from the Chubbly. I don’t even want them to show up for one event, like they did for the Jubbly. I hope they stay in CA and then the next day have a huge event that takes alllll the coverage away from the Clown King.
I really wish the Sussexes would release a short statement saying that they won’t be attending, just to put an end to the the “Will they or won’t they?!” BS in the media, but it’s probably smarter that they keep their plans to themselves as long as possible.
I sincerely hope they don’t go. I think they would lose a lot of respect if they do, but aside from that, there is no reason for them to continue to subject themselves to this abuse. Liz is gone, and there is absolutely no reason for Harry to go anywhere near any of these people ever again. The fact that Charles did this on Archie’s birthday should make it an even easier decision for them.
I noticed that brinkmanship continues. They are expected to be invited but haven’t said if they will attend. Is Charles trying to wait them out? There’s no need for them to say anything until they’ve been invited
I hope the Sussexes continue to mind their own business.
This whinging is not about them, it is about the proper behaviour towards a family member/employee that was literally kicked out, without unemployment insurance, etc.
To invite or not to invite….
An exercise in wanting to be punative and petty but not being labelled as such.
This will not affect the Sussexes, if their are mindful of the pitfalls of public discourse in the hypothetical.
Do not let your right hand know what your left hand know.
Silence is golden.
Has anyone noticed that there hasn’t been any pieces about Charles longing to see or missing his grandchildren in California? That should tell you how he feels about Archie and Lili. The reason Camilla wants her grandchildren to hold the canopy is more likely to be that the Duchesses never accepted her as Charles’ wife. Plus, this report has already caused some rumblings at KP. I agree with Kaiser that this latest report should convince Harry to stay away from this mess.
Who would the duchesses have been? Are they actual duchesses or like ladies in waiting?
Wives of the Dukes aka members of the aristocracy.
At the Queen’s coronation, she had several maids of honor who held the canopy. They were all daughters of the aristocracy. The Queen Mother had the same at her coronation, led by the Dowager Duchess of Northumberland.
I was wondering how far I had to go to read this. This is exactly my take-away. No duchess wants to hold her canopy. Just like either No one or a few wants to be her lady in waiting. She is spinning it to make it not seem sad. In this case I guess it’s alright fir her grandkids to participate. She doesn’t have any other options.
Oh ugh, the straight “The Queen” does not sit well.
There’s no way in hell those “step-grandkids” are all participating and Charlotte and Louis are sitting out. I can only assume Kate is currently sending nasty text messages and making some random Parker-Bowles cry over it.
Call me dumb but I didn’t realise it is Camilla’s coronation too? I figured she’s sitting somewhere up there but not the anointed by God thing? She’s only there by marriage? Although I have no concept of what Prince Philips involvement was in QEII’s coronation.
Prince Philip had to kneel to her during the coronation but wasn’t crowned because he was only the Prince Consort.
I watched a documentary recently on QEII’s coronation. I think Phillip had to swear fealty to her ( hands between hands), there was throne for him but I don’t remember him getting anointed.
A queen is always lesser than a king. Since Elizabeth was succeeding her father as monarch, Philip was not crowned king along with her. Camilla can be crowned queen because Charles still outranks her as king. It’s all misogynistic garbage. You would never know this is the 21st century.
The Queen consort probably has a role because historically, for the most part, she’s the mother of the future monarch as well. So she’s getting included in the “sacred ceremony” to double the heir’s special legitimate royalness. I would assume, anyway. Watery tarts distributing swords is hardly a foundation for a government 😂
@Sas, you’re not the only one. I figured the Mistress Consort would be sitting next to him covered in stolen jewels, but absolutely did not realize she would be “anointed” as well. I thought the whole point of the blood royals being superior was that they were chosen from birth, which is the reason why they always stress who is a “blood royal” and who isn’t. This makes absolutely zero sense to me.
@Lorelei, paving the way for Katie’s big moment 🤢
It harks back to the doctrine of coverture which still lingers in traditions in our society even if it is no longer part of our law. A married woman had no legal identity of her own, she became subsumed within her husband’s identity – essentially became part of him, though a lesser part – which is why married women were known as Mrs (husband’s first name) (husband’s surname). This is why a king’s wife becomes the queen, and it is what causes such ructions when a queen marries a man of lower rank. A king’s wife is anointed because, being his wife, she is part of him and thus entitled to be anointed.
So Charles spends a lot of time with his step-grandchildren, reading them Harry Potter, etc., but he can’t make time for his other grandchildren, apart from George, who is the heir to the heir. He is a crap dad and grandfather.
He is a crap grandfather only with his multiracial American grandchildren. There are many pictures of him cuddling Louis. But there is no picture of him with Lili and I doubt he even met her.
I can only say that on that day i hope that “the fruits of their victory will be like ashes in their mouths”
So George is singled out as special and Charlotte and Louis don’t rate a mention? But they are being raised so normally? And H&M haven’t RSVP’ed to an invitation that hasn’t been sent out yet? How gauche of them.
Isn’t FreeWilly helping coordinate this ClownFest? If so, why would the consorts’ grandchildren have more prominent roles than the actual monarchs’? What Camilla wants, Camilla gets? No worries of overshadowing by her nonroyal grandchildren? Only one of the heirs’ offspring is deemed suitable enough to be included? The aristocracy should definitely raise hell…for entertainment purposes only.
C-Rex sucks all day every day. As long as Harry shows he’s willing to accept crumbs, they will keep feeding him scraps. Any overtures made by that family will be to further humiliate the Sussexes publicly and nothing but bs. Harry needs to accept that he has been disowned by his racist and sadistic family and he owes the RF nothing but his middle finger. Please celebrate Archie’s day anywhere but in the UK. Send C-Rex congrats, some Boston tea and a copy of the US Declaration of Independence…
@Chantal, I’m also surprised, considering we heard that William was going to be so involved in the planning. He *cannot* be happy about this. If anything, I hope this pisses William off enough that he starts briefing against Camilla. For, as you said, entertainment purposes only, if nothing else.
Camilla may have pull with the press, but so does Bill, and he’s their future. As soon as CrownCon is over, Camilla will be old news again and the media will be back to needing as many clicks as possible— something that only W&K and their children can really provide at this point. It would be interesting to see who’d prevail if William decided to go scorched-earth with Camilla and her offspring.
Yes, I’m ready to watch this fight. Camilla has decades more experience with being devious than has William, but he has incandescence on his side. So interesting to see what choices will be made – Charles dithering between his heir and the love of his life, the media trying to figure out who has the most “power.”
Yep, I’m here with 🍿. William could’ve had an ally against Camilla but he couldn’t even share breathing space with Harry. I have no love for Camilla but am not going to not enjoy watching her go after Willy. Camilla essentially saying “George who?” while elevating her own grandchildren is hilarious.
I think Willy’s “involvement” ended where it started – having his name listed in the press as being on the committee. If he’s participating at all, and that’s a big if, his private secretary is the one attending the meetings and reporting back on what decisions were made. I can also see his private secretary trying to brief him and being repeatedly waived off as The Incandescent One dashes off somewhere…to do…something…maybe.
I’m with you on this, Dara! This plan is a direct result of Willy Won’t Work’s non-involvement in any actual planning.
@Dara, very good point, I momentarily forgot how lazy Bill is!
I look forward to a poorly run PR war between Queen Boozehound and Prince Ragehole. At the end of the day, Willie is the future of the monarchy. If he had any smarts, he’d play it like Game of Thrones and systematically kneecap Camilla’s good press by smearing her and her children so badly that they’d be afraid to even show their faces at the Chubbly. Instead, it’s just going to be competing stories. From what I understand though, the news of Camilla’s family playing a role is going over very, very badly with pro-royalists and she may have to walk it back. But then again, the Royal Family has no PR instincts and is surrounded by incompetent clowns so we’ll see how this plays out. I would love it if the crowd shows up with Diana signs, and forced C&C to see her face on their big day.
Camilla’s son is very…interesting looking.
He looks a lot like APB. I’m not going to snark. He and Laura lead pretty quiet lives. They can’t help who their mother is. Tom has been laying especially low since his girlfriend died of cancer almost two years ago. The public has met Camilla’s granddaughter Eliza lopes before—she was one of will and Kate’s attendants.
@KittenMom, ITA. Lots of other words come to mind, but I almost have to feel sorry for Camilla’s children, too. Imagine being born to someone who will go on to be one of the most hated women in the world? A mother regularly featured in the most vile tabloids? To know your mother is an enthusiastic adulterer? I get that it’s normal in their, uh, ‘culture,’ but still. That is not a life I’d wish on anyone, and they had absolutely no choice.
It was smart of them to manage to stay out of the spotlight for all of these years, and imo it’s incredibly foolish to give that up for one day, no matter how historic that day might be. And it’s plain wrong to put their small grandchildren, who cannot consent, out there for public consumption and scrutiny.
Apparently years ago Camilla’s daughter was furious with Charles and told him to stay away from her mother and stop breaking up the family. She and teenage William also argued over who was most to blame, Camilla or Charles, each blaming the other ones parent. Camilla’s children did have a hard time, and that is why Charles has given them ‘settlements’.
Ouch. This bold (bad) move on Cam’s part seems to have really hit a raw spot with, well, everyone who is human and has a heart. Notice we have not had any accompanying “Who are the Queen’s grandchildren?” profiles and photos blasted all over the tabs since the news broke, which shows exactly how confident Camilla is in her position with the editors.
Buckingham Palace is already rolling this back, according to the Telegraph according to Twitter. I think I heard vases crashing in Kensington Palace all the way over here in the states over the weekend so The Telegraph got the call from KP. How dare there be other children in the spotlight besides the spawn of William? Cams must be holding the photos of Will and Rose over his egg head if she feels bold enough to put her grandkids on parade that day and steal attention from Kate’s fashion forward diamond tiara, gold coronation gloves and fake pearl Zara earrings combo. Looks like Louis will have to be dragged out in one of Harry’s old outfits to counter this.
Yes I am more interested in the fact that Camilla’s grandkids had their involvement confirmed well before anything from George. W and K are briefing against Camilla now that they were caught off guard.
Any child under the age of consent that is DISPLAYED on THAT BALCONEY should be considered to be “WORKING” and any money made by broadcasting their images on said balconey needs to be put in a trust fund for them until they are old enough to decide what to do with it.
They are pimping out their own children
Well if Archie and Lilibet turn up at the Abbey, they will steal the show from everyone there.
Which is why I want the Sussexes to attend.
I swear Camilla is a Grimm tail come to life. The titanium BALLS on this witch!!!
I can’t imagine this going down well with William, let alone Harry. He’s going to have kneel and bow fealty to this side piece. And now her family is going to overshadow HIS!? Wooo boy!! If I was a KP employee, I’d be calling out sick today to avoid being caught in his incandescent rage.
I’ll bet it goes down like a lead balloon with the Wailes, who probably wanted the Middletons to play a role of some kind. (You know they are already getting measured for their crowns and robes for the next coronation, and titles will likely be forecoming: Duke/Duchess for Carole and Mike, an Earldom for James. Maybe even a separare Earldom or Viscount title for Pippa’s husband.
@Snuffles I can’t stop laughing at “the titanium balls on this b!tch!” 😭
It’s almost like Charles doesn’t like Diana’s sons and grandchildren.
Food for thought….
When Tyler perry said in the Harry and Meghan docu-series that he didn’t want to go over there when they asked him to be god father to lili. It’s because he could see these people were trash . They might have palaces and money and jewelry but they are trash. This right here what trash heap chucky is doing to his mixed races grandkids, only continues to prove it . As for George this and George that. Do you people remember the other two. Charlotte and Louis . I repeat trash bucket people. Harry , Meghan and their beautiful children are better off far away and staying away from the trailer park family that is the Windsors
The Windsors are the Markles with money. Nothing more.
Agreed
Markles with a crown, and a bunch of castles
Let’s not insult people who live in trailer parks.
Camilla’s decided her grandchildren will serve as fresh meat to throw to the tabloids. I suppose I’m a little surprised that she’s doing this to her own flesh and blood. Thank Granny for the notoriety, kids.
Respectfully I disagree with you. Camilla loves her immediate family, Charles has employed her sister for decorating, her nephew was close enough but escape any fallout for the ‘cash for title’ scandal.
They have benefitted from this marriage, unlike Harry.
Knowing how the tabloids have treated her, knowing how the tabloids have treated minors in or associated with the royal family, exposing her grandchildren to this level of scrutiny when she doesn’t have to does not seem to me like an act of love.
@CC, I agree. No amount of money makes up for being thrown to the British tabloids for public consumption and scrutiny.
Charles has done favours for Camilla’s family to keep them quiet and ensure that they do not tell their inside stories of the truth of the relationship between the couple.
Yes, this is where I land too. I can only imagine that Camilla feels that safe in her relationships with the tabloids that they won’t go hard after her grandkids, which is a choice full of hubris and way overestimating her control. Or she’s strait-up using them and doesn’t care.
Hagrid says “stay home Harry”
and “wish I wasnt invented by a TERF”
Hagrid disfigured a child for being fat and said the only house elves who didn’t want to be slaves were weirdos.
Harry and Meghan need to sit this out. The BRF is showing it is willing to publicly disrespect the Sussuxes. But I think there’s more: I think BP knows that the Sussuxes aren’t coming because Harry is not getting the sit down and apology he wanted and the Palace is lashing out. It also explains the pushing of George in a role for the coronation (and basically slapping spare status on Charlotte and Louis) and rolling out Camilla’s grandkids. They are also fearing an official statement from the Sussexes saying there’s not coming that would damage the family unity image Charles wants.
So far try as they may, Harry and Meghan remain removed from whatever this is called and the larger culture wars as distraction from the fallout of bad governmental actions and policies, chiefly brexit.
I was, all along, part of the it’s Harry and Meghan’s decision if they want to go and I will support whatever decision they arrive at brigade. But this push for Camilla’s grandchildren to play central roles while ignoring Archie and Lilibet – is a bridge too far. So no, I don’t think H&M should go. Very, very sad.
What a racist cult that ‘family’ are.
This is not about Harry and Meghan, it is about the gap between the majority expectations in terms of tradition, and the reality.
It is beginning to look like a failed institution.
It would be the most ironic if Harry is the one who save the institution by taking a stance and establish boundaries that stress integrity.
He might save them from themselves.
I’m with everyone who hopes that H&M DONT go to the clownation.
But I recognize that there are factors that they will have to take into account in making their decision about this matter that none of us here on the outside looking in, knows anything about.
In their Netflix docuseries, for example, M said something to the effect that they want to raise their kids with the freedom to travel and to go wherever they want and to be whoever they choose to be; but theyre also cognizant of the fact that their kids are part of a historically important family with traditions, etc.
I dont know how much of an eye-on-the-future/eye-on-history H&M will take into account in making their decision to attend or not attend. So I support them in whatever decision they make.
Nevertheless, I continue to hope theyll come down on the side of: in the end, none of this will matter. And so, I sometimes use the tweets of BetterUp to gauge things in Sussexland, even if thats quite a stretch on my part. Anyhooo, this is what BU posted an hour ago:
1) “Rejection is hard. This guide from us makes it easier.”
Go here for a look at their accompanying article: “How To Deal With Rejection”
bitDOTly/3ZuYIzn
Its very apropos re what H faces in this moment, even tho I know that BU is addressing everyone.
This tweet was followed by:
2) “Repeat after me: I dont want what doesnt want me.”
And so, I live in hope. 🙂
So Crypt-keeper-Cam will have triumphed by not only being Queen, but by having her own grandchildren participate instead of Diana’s. Disgusting,
First of all, didn’t William have *issues* with Lara Lopes in the past? Something about shouting matches–when I read about it in the old days I assumed it was normal blended family stuff, but given everything we now know about his violent temper I wonder what it was really all about. This turn of events can’t be sitting well with him. Second of all, did anybody else notice that the initial DM story about the grandchildren featured photos from about 10 years ago, at which time the kids were around Louis age? Undoubtedly, that was some weak/obvious spin in order to gain sympathy from the public. But they’re teenagers now, right?
They are backing off from the initial statement via the Times sourced by BP.
You are on to something there, it adds up.
Her daughter Eliza was in his wedding so I think they get along alright or at least did then. I imagine Tom and Laura weren’t too thrilled with how things went down. I’m sure they love their mother and probably wished she’d just lay low.
There is a reason the wicked stepmother trope has endured for centuries. Camilla is just like a typical side chick your dad hooks up with, next thing you know her whole family has moved into your childhood home and you’re relegated to the basement on weekends. Have fun bonding with theRroyal Brady bunch Wills. Can you imagine, no one knows who these people are, yet Camilla’s relatives will be all over international broadcast, while the nobles aren’t even invited and his second son, an actual prince of the realm, won’t be there or relegated to the nosebleeds. Meanwhile the new Prince of Wales and his heir is a secondary afterthought. What a mess.
These people really are dumb, aren’t they. I’m starting to think that they all sit around and think, “what’s the worst possible thing we can do at this possible moment to get the ire of the public? Okay, let’s do that!”
The aristos are very, very jealous of their perogatives. It’s one of the few times where being an aristo and having a title actually means something. If a lot of them are left out, then what purpose do they serve? And to be cast aside for Camilla’s kids and grandkids, or even the Middletons? Way to earn more enemies from the class of people who should be your staunchest supporters, royals!
Great point!
To be fair, he cheated on her as well before during and after all of the marriages involved.
I think that Lady (I am Proud that I Was Raised to be My Husband’s Punching Bag) Glenconner
is the kind of woman that set holds up as the gold standard in punching bags.
The reason for the “wicked stepmother” trope is that the woman gets all the blame for the man’s actions. Camilla has zero power that Chuck didn’t give her. And men are not “bewitched” by women. It is not a thing.
I understand when the child wants to blame the step- rather than the bio-parent. Realizing your biological parent never loved you, and that one of the things they like about this new person is that the new person is mean to you, hurts like hell.
That’s the child in the situation, though. Society needs to wake up and start actually holding men accountable for their own actions, rather than constantly blaming women for them.
I’m not giving a pass to a woman who revels in and benefits from misogyny and patriarchy. If she couldn’t accept Charles children from his marriage to her nemesis, she could have at least stayed out of their business and backed tf off. She’s not a good person, and no amount of defending the sisterhood will change it.
Haven’t even read the article. This is an appreciation post for the picture chosen for Charles’ side piece (as LaineyGossip calls her). My gawd…it’s perfect.
IMO the Harry Potter books aren’t the best for young children and shouldn’t be rushed through. Like the Anne of Green Gables series, they’re best read when the reader is a similar same age as the character. There are plenty of other amazing books to read along the way. Try some A. A. Milne, Michael Bond, e Nesbit, George MacDonald, Kate DiCamillo.
The Harry Potter books should not be read. I mean, I’m not saying someone’s evil for reading them or finding things they like in them, though the morality in them is a disaster. I am saying there are so very, very, VERY many better books than them. Not just morally, either, but in style, character, and plot. Let go of Harry Potter. It was never very good.
Camiknickers is flexing her muscles but her power is wholly through marriage to TK. Is she outlives him don’t expect Toddler Willy to have forgiven all her power moves. She won’t be asked to stay on as King Stepmother!!
Excellent point.
No, she won’t. That’s one reason she is keeping her own house.
I agree with this 100%. Just like AK47 was locked out after QEII passed., and Queen Victoria’s close, ahem, friend was unceremoniously kicked out on her passing, look out for Burger King kicking Camilla’s ass to the curb.
His own blood tottaly at the back and unrecocnized he get hard karma SMH
Unbelieveable
I am actually concerned about the safety of her grandkids. What happens to them when she bursts into flames???
I share your concern! 😂😂😂
@Cara 😭☠️
There is a certain kind of man who completely cuts off his own children when he marries another woman. He wants nothing to do with anything that reminds him of the woman who actually created and gave birth to his children. But the new woman, he likes her, so that’ll be his family now.
Chuck can’t completely cut off Willy and his family, though I bet he’d like to. He can be absolutely frigid at them, though. And he can cut off Harry in every way.
Chuck’s relationship with his sons appears to be one-sided. Apparently, they’re there to make him feel good as a father, although he’s done precious little to deserve their respect and regard as a parent, beyond the bare minimum.
Camilla’s grandchildren holding up the canopy? Hmmm… is this Camilla wanting to mirror the Royal grandchildren’s vigil for Queen Elizabeth in some way? It has stuck in my mind as one of the bigger moments when QE2 died so is Cammy wanting to leave a similar impression with her grandchildren?
My tinfoil hat theory du jour is that after this useless show of white self-aggrandizement is over and done with, the relationship between William and Camzilla is going to go down the toilet. Not that it’s great now, but old resentments don’t disappear, they just bubble under the surface until something causes them to resurface again. Having to bow and scrape to the woman who caused his mother so much pain and humiliation will be galling to William the Incandescent, and I think everyone of a certain age is going to have Diana on their minds during this idiotic event.
An interesting quandary for William. His relationship with Harry was always tainted by jealousy and competition. He’s over any real connection with his wife, and seems equally done with her family. According to people here, years ago, Will had a contentious relationship with Charles. The last few years, it served his purpose to ally with Charles to punish and regain control over Harry. It’s been three years since Harry left, plus the documentary, and Spare – even Will must realize the conflict with Harry is old news, that battle is lost. The alliance with Charles is dissolving as Charles turns his attention to setting up Camilla and establishing his reign. So, who does Will have in his corner, now?
And what are Will’s true feelings about Diana – does he feel for the pain and humiliation C&C caused her? Could he publicly proclaim she was paranoid, if he truly understood? Does he resent Camilla for taking the place that should have been his hers (Harry did say they both asked Charles not to marry her)? Or, is the real issue with Camilla more personal. Will is an angry, angry person. All he really has is his position as immediate heir, and the power/influence/prestige flowing from that. But Camilla is about to be elevated as queen in her own right. This piece about including her grandchildren is an early indication she’ll use whatever power that position confers. The two of them are definitely on a collision course, while Charles needs to decide how to balance his feelings for Camilla, vs the long term interests of the monarchy and its heirs. Is it too early to stock up on popcorn?
And now that it’s becoming ever clearer that Charles has chosen himself and Camilla, what’s William to do?
This will get interesting.
I am not sure if i read it here, but it has been pointed out that when Charles is gone, William inherits everything and Camiila will need to rely on his meager goodwill and generosity. If the monarchy is abolished during Charles’ reign, then his personal wealth can go directly to her. It makes sense that she is this bold in her cruelty to the Sussexes, racist pals and favoring her non royal children, it could benefit her in the end. In that light, Britian needs to wait to abolish the monarchy on William’s first day on the job.
Camilla will not need to rely on William for anything. She will quietly retire to Ray Mill. Charles has already set aside enough money for all her needs to the end of her life.
I am not sure if i read it here, but it has been pointed out that when Charles is gone, William inherits everything and Camiila will need to rely on his meager goodwill and generosity. If the monarchy is abolished during Charles’ reign, then his personal wealth can go directly to her. It makes sense that she is this bold in her cruelty to the Sussexes, racist pals and favoring her non royal children, it could benefit her in the end. In that light, Britian needs to wait to abolish the monarchy until William’s first day on the job.
@paulkid Camilla has so far gotten a lot of live off of and for her children.
1. Each of her children have a 2 mill trust set up by Charles
2. All of the QE3 personal jewelry is now all Camilla’s and I’m sure his personal property, the duchy of Lancaster and other parts of his personal fortune are hers too.
I think the best outcome is the one I already see coming, Charles created a mini me in Wills and they will battle out in leaks and strong arming for prominence if Will feels the slightest sting of being set aside or under anyone. Camilla wont be able to help her self with he greed and that is what is going to dominate the headlines. H&M will keep being bashed by the RR because this is going to be embarrassing. They will be at each other throats the second Charles is crowned. I know he is already King but Will seeing it actually happen is not going to go down well at all. Camilla get anything Will feels HE and HIS heir should get is going to unleash the beast. Charles put it in his head that the line of succession is the only thing that matters and that doesn’t include Camilla or anyone in her family. I can feel the rage of headlines coming up about anyone NOT royal being included at all after the lengths he went through to push out his brother Camilla s spawn wont get any special treatment from Will.
I would bet that Camilla and her children are well-taken care of already. He only cuts security (financial and otherwise) from his own flesh and blood. It seems no one has taken care of Harry except Diana. I get the impression that the Queen expected Charles to take care of his children, as she took care of hers, and one of the reasons she never stepped in to actually help Harry. Harry served his grandmother and his country brilliantly, and for that he has been cast aside and left to take care of himself and his family alone. He is lucky he married a competent and resourceful woman. On the other hand, if he had married a helpless ninny, he would have just been taken advantage of and abused for his entire natural life. I think he must have been destined to break the horrible cycle, but his birth family is hanging on to it for dear life.
@tamsin
100% yes. I still think Meghan rescued him. With her love but also that all the connections that helped them were hers. I think that alone has given them the strength to keep going, If his wife wasn’t a smart and amazing ride of die he would be back to the UK for whatever horrible life awaited him. To see how people were more then willing to help the first black princess of the UK and were disgusted about her treatment must have been a shock to Harry. He is a prince of the realm and was left destitute by his own father. I think that will take Harry time to recover. He still cant admit and stand by the fact that his family is racist. I don’t hold it against him. If I had been treated this way in my own commoner life I would be traumatized and shell shocked. It would take time for me to heal from insult after insult.. trauma after trauma … attack after attack for years and from my own family. Its harder to reconcile it and even hard to accept it.
The assets are placed in a trust where accredited individuals can access. It doe not personally belong to the monarch per say. They have their personal wealth.
I had a friend who had a very strained, barely-there relationship with her father after her mother left the family (and basically ghosted them — the mother never spoke to her children ever again). When my friend went to college, her father did not pay a dime towards her tuition — she paid her own way through loans and jobs. They still met up occasionally, like once a year, though, and in her sophomore or junior year of college, over dinner, my friend’s father told her that he had fallen in love with a woman, and that woman had a college-aged daughter, and he’d offered to pay for that daughter’s full tuition and board.
My friend got up from the dinner table and left.
This is what King Charles reminds me of. Won’t lift a finger to help his own child, but for the offspring of Camilla, he moves the world.
I feel so bad for your friend, that was a horrible thing for him to do! I hope she’s doing better now.
My ex took me to court to reduce his child support to me. The reason he gave the judge? Because he had to help support his new girlfriend’s two kids. Then he admitted he hadn’t seen his own kids in two years. Needless to say there was no reduction in support. Some guys are just asshole parents, who think their kids are just part of the mom. Replace the mom and therefore replace the kids. I’m certain if William wasn’t the heir I’m sure he wouldn’t be treated any better by Charles than Harry is.
OMG.
Okay…sorry but I call total BS on all this.
The side thing’s kids have at least been smart enough to distance themselves from the RF.
As Camel Toe’s family are not part of the peerages they can’t be involved in the coronation.
I mentioned on a post a few days ago that I predicted Harry and Meghan would attend, if nothing else, because H may be holding out hope and would magnanimously travel there in case C or W would want an in-person meeting. The longer this draws out in the BM and no invite has been issued (per Omid), I think it’s a lost cause. I’ve been slow to come around, but yes opting out of this whole headache would be best for everyone.
Diana said she wanted to be queen “in people’s hearts,” and there she remains.
Camilla .. Camzilla … the side piece … the crypt-keeper … can make this coronation about herself and her family all she wants … she can be anointed with oil (rather than exorcised, which is what I’d recommend) … she can be crowned with the gaudiest stolen jewels.
But she’ll always be inferior to Diana in every way that matters. My only hope regarding Cams is that she knows that and it bothers her somewhere deep in her gin-addled, racist, grasping pea brain.
Camilla has a very practical gra$p on the situation, I suspect. Protection and pro$perity for her family, even after Chuck dies.
William may be in for a rude surprise when his weak father passes and he finds out how much he gave to his sidepiece.
None of this translates into modern, grand, mysterious, magical, regal, royal or fun. It seems to have little fan fare and actual pomp. This is going to be boring, dowry, weird and its seems like they are show casing why the monarchy isn’t relevant. “Blended family” my foot this is more of using his position to not solidify the monarch but to placate to whatever game Camilla is playing now. Also for those fooled into thinking Cams kids are good to “stay out of the limelight and live quiet lives” sorry not true. Her son is a drunk, a gambler and other more nefarious hobbies involving drugs. Harry and Will were used all the time to also cover that this up in the papers.
It sound like an effed up family reunion to make us all feel awkward. I actually think getting invited NOW would be like “your day was open too?”.
1. No artist want to go
2. Few nobles will be attending
3. Down one royal blood prince of the realm
4. Putting Cam family of nobodies in the show
5. Two old geriatric sacks as Queen and King
6. Even registered bell ringers do NOT want to ring them bells for this s*it
And it is giving innocent bicycles in villages everywhere a bad name
The whole reason put forth by BP to exclude Princes Andrew and Harry from ceremonial duties during the Coronation was that they were not working royals. However, the only roles for the working Royals put forth thus far has been walking in the procession. Yet, Camilla allegedly wants her grandchildren to have huge, important, ceremonial duties during the coronation?! This directly contradicts the rationale put forth to exclude Andrew and Harry. It is also a slap in the face to the working Royals who will attend the coronation. Why not have them hold the canopy? As many of you have said, Harry and Meghan just need to stay away from that mess of a Con-a-nation.
The best part is that she’ll try to push William, Kate, and their kids out. All of that selling his brother out to tabloids did nothing but put Camilla in a powerful position. She’s like Cersei from Game of Thrones. She’ll be powerful enough to forgo the bloodline and bring in her unworthy spawns.
If Harry and Meghan go to this “Clowning” then sobeit but, if I were them I’d avoid it like the plague. This isn’t about crowning Harry’s father as king but, crowning Camilla as queen. The woman who did everything she could to make the lives of Harry’s mother and Meghan a misery.
I blame William for this sh*tfest. If he hadn’t been so bliddy lazy he would have attended the meetings where this was proposed and vetoed any participation of non-royal, non-titled participants. Instead his ineptness has allowed Camilla to bulldoze over “tradition” and, by doing so reduce the roles of his children (the real royals who are heirs/spares) to bit-players on their grandfather’s big day.
William is now facing the consequences of joining forces with the witch. He has very publicly silenced his mother and callously bullied his brother out of the country. By doing so he cleared the way for Camilla to do what she wants when she wants. She played him for the ignorant fool that he is. His arrogance meant he didn’t know his children were being side-lined until he read it in the papers – like the rest of us. I’d like to say I have some sympathy for him but, unfortunately because of his horrible attitude towards two little children (one of whom he’s never met) I just think “you reap what you sow”
@Laura D, 👏👏
How interesting that Charles has a close relationship with his stepchildren because he was always at their house yet has no relationship with one son qand complains of never seeing the grandchildren of the other son. Might make you think Charles is a bad father.
indeed.
Don’t believe what you read….this is just to make Charles look good.
Ok, well the “working royals” thing is officially and entirely played out.
Is the father of Camilla children. Andrew Parker Bowles invited to attend the crowning of Charles and Camilla
He will definitely be there.
Of course Camilla’s grandchildren will be featured in the ceremony. Camilla’s grandchildren are favored above Harry and Meghan’s children.
Charles will get his Caucasian Coronation.
#CoronationSoWhite
Caucasian Coronation!
Yes! That’s my favorite name so far.
Or Crowning So White.
Camilla’s grandchildren aren’t even blood family to KC3 and tradition is duchesses do the honors. The chubby is supposed to be between the king and his nobles but KC3 is using the opportunity to invite European royals and Middle Eastern charity contributors.
We already know Camilla’s grandchildren sell access for charitable contributions but the Sussexes aren’t allowed to merch the connection by playing a role? Shut the front door.
I am over this coronation before it has even started.
I guess being the King’s mistress still has perks. /snort
Charles has empowered Camilla in such a way his own sons and their children will be second place if Camilla has her way-Harry was right she is a dangerous woman-once she is crowned look out for all hell to break loose-bodies will be piling up at the palace gates.
As we speak I am sure that H&M have made their decision either way.
This is because dressmakers will need enough notice.
The decision, whichever way, will be headline news and both parties have decided to keep it under wraps for as long as possible.
I want them to go, I want the focus to be on the Sussexes who are the royals most people are interested in. This will put Kate’s nose out of joint, especially if Archie and Lilibet are there…lol!
Camilla has definitely played the long game to get to where she is and she has seemingly done it under the collective noses of the Establishment and the Firm without them noticing.
I personally believe the Queen title (as opposed to Queen Consort) is significant, especially when considered in conjunction with potential changes to Letters Patent (referenced by Harry and Meghan as the reason why their child wouldn’t be a Prince). Is the LP being rewritten? What changes are being made and how plugged in is William? Why are those changes being made?
With all the manipulation that this woman has been doing for decades I find myself wondering why KC3 is seemingly just going along with it. Is he uncaring or is there something else going on? The man allowed his son to be bullied out of the RF via the ill treatment of his wife. He stripped them of their security despite knowing there were death threats towards Harry and his family. When Harry talked about the summit he said his father and brother were accusing Meghan of things that made no sense. Someone was filling their ears with BS. That same someone was using courtiers to plant false stories in the media.
I very much get the impression that Charles and William were oblivious to the full extent of Camilla’s machinations. Worse, I am questioning the competence of both men and the loyalty of their courtiers to the existing institution. There is some serious GoT BS going on and the only people who seem to know it are Harry and Meghan. I suspect that the endless character assassination and bullying of Meghan happened because Meghan changed Harry’s dynamic with the family in a positive way for him (he got therapy, he looked after himself physically and he became more confident). But that change was high risk for those who were playing games behind the scenes. Meghan is the means via which “they” (Camilla, William, courtiers) sought to discredit everything Harry and Meghan did and said.
Harry and Meghan talked about very specific issues during the Oprah interview and in the docuseries but the RF is too busy being enraged to take on board what was being said. The biggest danger to the monarchy is the media and the Establishment – specifically, the courtiers and the grey men. There is no loyalty to the monarchy if each is briefing against other principals to the media. Camilla introduced toxicity when she used the media to assassinate Diana’s character in order to break up her marriage. She has been using the media and the courtiers to do the same to Harry and Meghan and their kids. Now this nonsense with the coronation.
If William has any sense he will listen to that Oprah interview again, this time without the rage and rancour and make a note of the specific points made in relation to Harry’s son. He should then look into whether the LP is going to be rewritten and what changes are being made and the justification for them.
Because if he is not careful he may find his younger children ousted by his own father in favour of Seabiscuit and her family.
Excellent analysis. Thank you.
The only signal it sends is how vile they arw for what they’ve done to Harry and Meghan,and how Chaz cares more about his wife/mistress than his own kids and grandkids (especially the mixed race ones).