As we discussed, the White Markles appeared on an Australian interview show on Sunday. I only watched the trailer, which was full of Thomas Markle, Samantha Markle and the other one (Tom Jr, I guess) all trying desperately to cling to relevancy and recite whatever unhinged talking points they have been given by someone. Toxic Thomas Markle’s performances are always the most infuriating – no one can keep up with all of the lies he tells and no one interviewing him ever calls him out on just how badly he’s always misrepresented himself and Meghan. Well, the British newspapers have been lapping up the Aussie coverage, even though they clearly don’t want to pay for these “exclusives” anymore. Well, Toxic Tom was full of menacing threats in this interview. Some lowlights:
Mr Markle, who suffered a debilitating stroke last May, said his daughter had not called him in four years. “If she doesn’t turn up for a stroke, if that doesn’t move her, what would?” he said.
In his memoir, Spare, the Duke of Sussex said that Meghan was “mourning the loss of her father”. But Mr Markle told Australia’s Channel 7 Spotlight programme: “She killed me and then mourned me.” He added: “I refuse to be buried by her.”
The family released several videos of Meghan, 41, from her childhood, showing her variously swinging a baseball bat, jumping in the snow, and fishing by a lake. Mr Markle admitted that he occasionally watched the videos.
“She loved me, I was her hero, and suddenly I was thrown out,” he added. “She’s got to ask herself this every day ‘why am I doing this to my father?’ Is it worth dumping me for the rest of my life? Is it worth denying me my grandchildren? Is it worth all of that! Is it worth getting rid of her father?”
He said he regretted posing for paparazzi pictures before the Duke and Duchess’s wedding and also for leaking part of a letter Meghan had sent him to a newspaper. He did so after five of Meghan’s friends spoke to People magazine, providing the first public reference to the letter. Meghan sued Associated Newspapers over the publication of five articles that reproduced extracts of the handwritten missive.
Mr Markle said in an attempt to explain his actions: “People magazine were coming out with it and Meghan had shared it with six other people.”
He added of his estrangement from his daughter: “It’s just very sad from a father’s perspective. It’s a huge disappointment and it’s sad every day.” He said he would “love” to meet his grandchildren, Prince Archie, three, and Princess Lilibet, one, adding: “They’re gonna have my nose, they’re gonna have my eyes.”
“Is it worth dumping me for the rest of my life? Is it worth denying me my grandchildren?” Yes. It’s absolutely worth it. Every time he gets paid to open his mouth, I think about how Meghan made the right decision to completely cut off contact with him in 2018. Despite his lies for more than a year, Meghan did contact him after he sold her out and faked a heart attack – she wrote him a letter, explaining what he needed to do. He then sold the letter and continued to act as if he owns her and everything about her. These people are grotesque and despicable. The only silver lining here is that this TV special apparently bombed.
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Awful human.
No need to subject small children to awful, manipulating grifters who happen to be related to them.
Team kids.
STFU Tom.
Such a toxic and malignant narcissist. It’s so weird seeing him thru Megan’s eyes as a child (Netflix) documentary and what he’s become. That toxicity had to have always been there, right? I’m glad she has those good memories but that must make his betrayal all the worse.
normally I disagree with trying to diagnose a stranger but his statements are textbook narcissist, it’s almost eerie. there is no fixing a narcissist, no happily in-between. total split is the only way to go.
The home videos just show her as a lonely little girl, seemingly having fun, but seem lonely. Backing up, not that she needs backing up, what she said. Even Robin Williams had said that you can feel loneliest in a room full of people, so I believe that even if they were in her life, she would have been shut out. You can see how collectively toxic they are. Can you imagine how they were when she was small!? Her father is acting very, very entitled.
The worst part of all this is that there are people out there believing these white Markles
I haven’t watched any of the Markles interviews or shows. Don’t even know if the last one is available in US. It seems voyeuristic to me to be looking at stuff that was released about a child without consent. Same way I felt about the strange woman in Jackson Hole releasing pix of Archie on July 4th. Creeps. To that point I’ve always wondered how much of this exhibition is innate to Tom and how much he’s been groomed by unethical media. Didn’t some creepy DailyFail person initiate a sexual relationship with him in order to get stories? Yuck.
Oh boy. I knew I shouldn’t have read what this creep of a father said. But now that I did, got news for you Toxic Tom and ratchet tabloid rags, Archie has Ragland eyes (dark color, far apart and prominently set in his face). Yet, the shape of Archie’s eyes is like Diana’s. Other than that, Archie has Harry’s coloring, head shape, and ears, along with a round nose and full lips from the Ragland side. Lilibet’s eyes are blue, deep-set Spencer and Windsor all-the-way. Her round nose and round-shaped face are from Doria, and her coloring is Spencer.
Furthermore, passing on slight DNA characteristics does not absolve unforgivable betrayals, petty insults, and broken trust! Try worrying about your other estranged relatives, and leave Meghan and her family alone!
I went no contact with my abusive parents, and while it was a terribly grievous process in the beginning, each year that passes is peace and safety I never would have had with them in my life. So yes, beloved Meghan likely grieved, and possibly still does, but from one survivor of abuse to another, it gets easier the further out you get, and at this point, my only regret is not doing it sooner. TM didn’t become abusive when M met and married H. TM was always like this, and when M was in a situation where she needed protection and love from those closest to her, it simply became untenable to keep TM in her life. So it goes. No contact with abusers: 10/10 would do it again.
For some reason, the “they’re going to have my nose, they’re going to have my eyes” sounds so sinister coming from this asshole, imo. I look forward to the day when I never have to see a photo of this cretin ever again.
God forbid they have any of this bridge troll’s features. Prince Archie and Princess Lili are a perfect combination of Harry and Meghan, not one scrap of the toxic Markles in them.
Here we go let’s blame the victim. You Thomas are an abuser of the first order. She owes you absolutely nothing! Go spend time with your other grandchildren. Oops they don’t see you either.
🤣 Oops 🤣 Glad to get a chuckle out of a maddening story.
My siblings and I cut off contact with our father due to dangerous, unpredictable behavior, and his complete refusal to acknowledge any boundaries we set. It was textbook Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and he responded much the way Toxic Tom does: Trying to publically spin the narrative, scream about being victimized and mistreated, and alternately vilify Megan while also moaning about being abandoned.
There was so much going on behind the scenes that led to us cutting contact, and I imagine there is with Megan, too. She just has way too much dignity to expose him for the lying turd he is, and she knows better than to engage with this personality type. It’ll just suck you dry.
There’s no cure for this kind of Narcissism. Meghan is right to protect herself and her family from the toxic mess that is her father and sister.
So, you know my father then? The TM stories make me really uncomfortable, but sometimes I can’t believe how much Meghan and I have in common. I was never a popular girl/glamorous type, but I do love me a redhead (married one) and I think we might be half sisters because we seem to have the same father.
@Zazzoo I feel the same way about Harry. His life and mine are perfect parallels (especially his experiences with Will). Seeing how he is creating his new life has been so helpful to me as I work on creating my new life.
*Hugs* I don’t wish horrible families on anyone, but I’m sure H & M would be glad to know that for all they’ve endured they’re inspiring others out here.
I realize that there are a fair amount of people who don’t really follow the Royal family and aren’t online enough to really understand the way in which the tabloids have abused Meghan (I think this is actually a huge issue ito of how general public understands H&M’s position re: tabloids) and I try to keep that in mind when people express annoyance at H&M or repeat things they’ve seen in headlines. BUT. The Markle family is a perfect litmus test for me in whether I think a person is worth engaging with at all. This is such a black and white issue, this man’s behavior is and has been so abusive and horrid, that anyone who complains about Meghan ito her family? I know they are operating in very bad faith and not worth my time.
Lady’s you are SPOT ON
I had a full hours discussion with my own brother about Meghan as we drove to our dad’s funeral 6 hours away. I explained the whole story, the abuse, the misogynoir, the racism of the royal family and the British media. At the end he saw where I was coming from, and agreed to watch the documentary.
sorry to hear about your dad, Lanne. I hope the funeral was lovely and that being around loved ones helped.
@Ladye Right? Anytime someone acts like bio family is so important you should accept their abuse I know that person is not someone I want in my life. If I explain how HM have been abused and the person’s reaction is “well, okay but familyyyyy”, well okay, we’re done.
I can’t believe how gleefully tabloid media will support and enable narcissistic abuse. How do these people sleep at night?
He could’ve had them. All he had to do was shut up.
He could have used Doria as an example – stay dignified, be supportive, don’t sell out your child to the people who hate her.
Yep, to both the above. He could have maintained a dignified silence from the get go. He chose not to for $$$$$$$. He chose tabloid money over his daughter. In SPARE, pages 303/304, Harry wrote about getting back to the Navy Merchant ship after the AIDS testing event with Rihanna and texting with Meghan. End of November 2016.
Meghan was staying in LA at a friend of his home. Harry was happy to hear that both Doria & Sr. were with her for Thanksgiving. Then it turned dark. TM Sr. showed up with an armful of tabloids and wanted to talk about them. What kind of good father does that? (considering Bad half sister had given her nasty interview in the beginning of Nov.) It didn’t go over well and he left early.
If your son/daughter asks you to not speak to the tabloids/press, why in the ef would you do that? Money, money, money. That is not honorable, respectful or loving behavior. I remember when Jon Voight blabbed to the press about Angelina adopting Maddox. That didn’t go down well and led to an estrangement.
He truly is despicable and I’m sure that he doesn’t bother looking for Ashley, who is also his granddaughter. But what’s interesting is that he’s right, I do see a lot of him in Archie and Lilibet’s face.
Here’s hoping you haven’t lost your mind, truly. Because the kids look nothing like that evil, greasy bastard. They resemble Harry and Meghan.
Meghan resembles her parents, and her children have a lot of her facial features. As simple as that. It doesn’t have anything to do with liking Thomas or disliking him, its just genetics.
@Kellybelle- you know that genetics are not influenced by feelings, right?
Meghan’s children could very well end up resembling Tom and how much of a lowlife he is does nothing to lessen what physical traits might or might not show up in Archie & Lily
Selene had absolutely NOT “lost her mind” because she understands how genetics work.
Personally, I DO see a bit of Tom in Lily in that they have similar shaped faces.
^^ Uh, no @Selene. It’s not that cut-and-dried. The Ragland side is clearly evident in Archie and Lili, largely seen in the shape of their noses, and their full lips, plus Archie’s mostly Ragland eyes. There’s not much prevalent Markle, cuz the Spencer, Ragland, Mountbatten, and Windsor genes cancel out, or ‘overshadow’ the little bit of Markle DNA. 😆 🎯 In any case, Toxic Tom is ridiculous for thinking he’s responsible for his DNA. How he looks was passed down from his own parents! He has no monopoly nor ownership on the little bit he passed down to the daughter he continues to horribly betray and abuse.
As well, Meg gets her petite bone structure from her mother, Doria, and her grandmother, Jeanette. Her dark eyes and the shape of her eyes are Ragland. She just gets the deep-set aspect of her eyes from Markle, along with her nose tip. The only other probable DNA Meg gets from the Markle side are the one red-haired gene she carries, along with a measure of pale-skinned genes. Combined with Harry’s two red-haired genes and pale-skinned genes galore, H&M ended up with two statistically rare red-haired children. Archie’s & Lili’s coloring is all Spencer, with red hair and pale reddish skin being very strong on both sides of Diana’s family.
Good, I hope it eats him alive that he will never know those kids who resemble him. I hope Meghan has a file of stories from his tabloid friends saved so the kids will one day know just who their grandfather really was. Same with Auntie and Uncle.
@Typical Virgo: “Personally, I DO see a bit of Tom in Lily in that they have similar shaped faces.”
Lilibet Diana’s name is spelled ‘Lili’ for short. That’s an ‘i,’ not a ‘y.’
I also wonder why you would attribute the round shape of Lili’s face solely to Toxic Tom, when both Doria and her mother, Jeanette, have similar round facial shapes. Lili’s eyes are from Harry’s side, while her cute, round turned-up nose and full lips are obviously from the Ragland side. The shape of Lili’s arms and shoulders resemble Meghan’s, and Meg inherited her arms and legs bone structure from her grandmother, Jeanette.
Nope. It’s all Harry, Meghan and Doria.
I think its too early to call, I don’t think Lilli looks like either of her parents much from what we have seen of her but she does seem to have got her colouring from Dad, she also resembles her second cousin August (although that might be a baby thing).
Bizarrely I think Harry and Meghan resemble each other in certain ways which would make it tough to work out which feature is from which parent, also what’s important to remember is while not looking like either of his parents or brother initially Harry has grown more and more to resemble his father and also Prince Phillip.
At this point he resembles Phillip most out of anyone in the family.
^^ Actually, it’s not tough at all to see the different physical features that Archie & Lili have inherited from the various family sides. I’ve already spelled it out in my previous posts. Understanding a bit about biology helps too. Knowing what to look for is also key, e.g., regarding head shape, bone structure, ears, lips, noses, eye shape, eye color, and eye positioning in the face. Some people are overly swayed by skin color, hair color, and eye color alone, thus missing the specifics of other physical features.
H&M do not physically look alike. They appear to in some aspects because there is a similar symmetry to their faces, especially in the way their noses are set in their faces. Plus, they both have skinny legs, but differently shaped. Harry has a large, lanky frame, while Meghan has a petite bone structure. Mostly, they are similar in spirit, soulful energy, and charisma. There may be something connective in the fact that they are 17th cousins, but that’s a very distant association.
Harry does look a lot like Philip. But his Spencer coloring is not from the Mountbatten side.
@selene
Altho @kelleybelle has expressed the hope that you hvnt lost your mind I, otoh believe that you, in fact, ‘have done lost your ever-loving mind.’ in fact, your perspective is prolly coming from a sick twisted freaking trailer park.
PS: Ive now read this entire thread and you people are literal freaks. Especially you, @aftershocks, for that extremely cringeworthy treatise.
@Kingston: “We aim to be a friendly, welcoming site where people can discuss entertainment stories and current events in a lighthearted, safe environment”
Calling other commenters freaks is not friendly, welcoming, or lighthearted.
@Selene, if you mean, Archie & Lili are toddlers and Bad Dad, when he scrunches up his face about Meghan doing him wrong, looking like a wailing toddler whose favorite toy was taken away…then I agree. A & L are toddlers. Sr. looks like a toddler with his bs bullyaching. That’s it for now.imo
Jesus the ownership he feels over his biracial daughter and her kids is very…”Wish I was in the land of Dixie.” Poor toxic narcissist. Life was simpler before women and people of color had all of these pesky rights to control their own lives. Gah he makes me actually a bit queasy.
I cringed as I read that — and I agree with you completely.
Very much giving “my runaway slave must be caught, returned, and broken” vibes.
Wouldn’t surprise me if this colonizer attitude is what drove Doria to divorce TM.
It’s even more true when you realize he wants access to those children for their financial value to him.
He’s a security risk at this point. Allowing him to see the children would compromise their very safety. He would give the tabloids theirparents’ phone numbers, the name of their school. I thought he had disappeared because he had finally realized how much he had been played by the royals. I was hoping he would tell the truth about how he was groomed. That’s the only true path back to Meghan and Harry’s good graces.
He doesn’t love her at all. He hates her. All of the pain he has caused is an act of pure hatred. Meghan has only ever been an object to him.
Harry and Meghan will never treat their own children, or their grandchildren, the way that they have been treated by their paternal families. The trauma stops here.
Absolutely! Those kids are $$$ to him. Meghan also seems to be the same. My runaway slave is robbing me of my $$ energy is exactly what he made me think of!!! He makes me want to vomit. My heart goes out to her and to anyone who has a parent like this. They cannot change. They are missing some key emotional parts. He’s not that much different than Chuck. They both see their children as possessions, Charles just knows which fork to use. Both have the colonizer energy
@Ianne & @Whyforthelove
Youre both so very right in your assessment of this situation with this grotesque excuse for a father…..even for a sperm donor.
Which is why I wish a hi-profile media person, or any one of the many hi-profile talking heads who crawl out of the woodwork to jump on the bandwagon and bleat about mental health during mental health day or week or month or whenevadafuq the world mentions “mental health/wellness,” would go on the record in an epic takedown of abusive family behaviours and point specifically to that bovine creature, TS, as a classic example of extreme familial abuse.
Then see as its tweeted and SM’d and aggregated by every news organization, such that it pierces the silence that surrounds this particular, racially-charged, globally-facilitated abuse of this one young woman.
History will NOT forget this moment in time.
Because, in addition to physical ABUSE, all other types of abuses are on the rise at this moment in history, aided and abetted by the proliferation of social media.
And as usual, the law is far too slow to keep up with technological developments, hence, despite hearing about all the many pockets of active combat against this phenomenon, including the work of cbouzy; and Dr Safia Noble; and the folks behind The Social Dilemma; and the Aspen Commission to name a few, it still feels like nothing is being done.
There is no true path back to Harry and Meghan’s good graces. Sr. is dead to her. End of. Harry has made it clear she no longer has a father.
Preach @WhyForTheLove, @Lanne, & @Beverley!!! Exactly! 🎯🤺 💯
I don’t believe he had a stroke, and if he did, it was his own doing. The heart attacks were complete BS. He was dead to her the minute she mailed him that letter. Fuck him. And the others too. What a complete pile of steaming garbage these people are. Brought to you by William and Knauf.
Agreed he is a grifter 100% and tried to make up health problems to real his daughter back in tan abusive relationship
Yet this man puts ZERO effort in trying to connect with his other grandchildren.
This right here. He lives in the same coast. It’s not hard to get to the same geographic area. He’s clearly eroded all trust which is how he’s been cut out of that relationship. It’s not like he doesn’t know how to get information to his daughter offline.
Right! Kind of don’t like saying this because it feels undeserved to his other grandchildren, but, when Scammy gave up her parental rights for $10k for two of her 3 children, was Thomas Markle Sr. making a big deal out of his’grandparent rights’. (which I do understand don’t exist)
Did he make efforts to have a relationship with Ashleigh & her brother even though Vonnie/Sam signed off on them? Is he communicating with Noelle? Sr., Jr and SamanthaMarkleGrantRasmussmenMarklereallyRassmussenthenMarkle are deplorable people.
Its amazing to me that these crazy folks have no problem cutting other people out of their lives but Meghan is supposed to embrace them with open arms. I bet Scamantha and Toxic Jr both have or will have grandchildren they never see so the cycle will continue. Rot in hell, Trash Markles you can keep each other company there.
Ashleigh Hale is scummy’s daughter, Meghan’s niece. She was adopted by her PATERNAL grandparent’s at age two, as was her brother! The Markle’s did not stand up and take care of them. Ashleigh reunited with the Markle’s after she graduated college. She began to have problems with scummy after she began talking to the press. Ashleigh said that there was no reasoning with scummy, as she just got madder and madder! She NEVER ONCE mentioned her GRANDFATHER! I had to cut my mother out of my life years before she died. I truly believe if I were in Meghan’s place my mother would have been thomas markle! Good riddance and I am glad Meghan’s niece has H&M to help guide her and Meghan has a decent Markle family member in her life!
How sick is his thinking about which of his physical features his grandkids might have? It always revolves around him. Typical toxic narcissism.
Meghan is a responsible mother. Why would she want her children anywhere near that vile creature? What an imbecile.
“She loved me, I was her hero…”
Not once does he say “I loved HER.”
So telling.
He certainly doesn’t say he loves her now. But I guess even he knows that would be an obvious lie.
Worth it every day and twice on Sunday. 100%.
He will never change and it sucks having to deal with a POS like him – even more as daughter having to deal with a father. He care nothing about anyone but himself.
No grandparent is entitled to their grandchildren and no parent is entitled to their adult child.
What would move Meghan? Well, she was “moved” when she thought he had a heart attack before the wedding, only to be ghosted by him when she tried to contact him. Was Scam in any of the videos and pictures with Meghan, since they were so close?
Exactly!
Good point! Too bad Samantha’s lawsuit got dismissed! /s
All these pics of Meghans childhood with Sammy NOWHERE in sight could have been so useful!
Looks like the tabloids planned and filmed this “MARKLE EXCLUSIVE” in anticipation of Meghan attending the coronation in my opinion. I think they were planning to use it to fuel hundreds of articles about Meghan and the Sussexes being distractions in the lead up and during the coronation. It backfired spectacularly because Meghan is not attending and she has made very limited public appearances or and had no interview this year. Boom 💥! Checkmate!!! The tabloids are scrambling and reaching deep for content to generate clicks and profits from the Sussexes brand. The content and articles seem more and more desperate.
I think you’re a 100 percent right! Man, they just had to burn through it since it was done, but you’re right. If she was going, the tabloids would have gotten tons of articles out of this and how it embarrasses/overshadows everything. Hand-ringing over why she couldn’t fix this relationship before it got in the way of the big day, etc.
They pull him out for interviews whenever there is a big royal event. That’s been the tabloids playbook again and again. He has been their ammunition.
I would also like to add that the White Markles are taking a playbook out of the Spears Family. It’s always about the money with these people. Always. The only difference is that these siblings are halfs and Britney Spears entire family of blood relatives are the ones who imprisoned & human trafficked her for decades.
Sorry, this person! (I refuse to call him a man) is the lowest of the low. Stroke?!! Nah, as I said yesterday, he is the only “stroke victim that I have seen, holding himself up on a stretcher, wearing an oxygen mask that WASN’T CONNECTED TO ANYTHING, just flapping around like his lips do, and who arranged for the photographer to be there 🤔your disgusting, just like your Samantha and junior. Tell us Mr markle, how come you don’t bother with your other grandchildren that aren’t related to the Royal family. Tell us why you never explained how Megan paid of your bankruptcys for you or that both she and Harry have given you money back before the wedding. Your slime, low down gutter dwelling slime, and no parents would let their children within a county mile of you
My father died of a stroke. For this bastard to keep faking medical emergencies that always seem to happen right when a royal event will occur is just disgusting.
#LANNE, I thought of you when this nasty little old bsd came out with his garbage. How anyone can try this kind of manipulation is beyond me. Take care my friend and keep your warm memories of what a wonderful father you had x
This must be very triggering for you @Ianne…your dear dad passed recently and you’re still dealing with grief. Don’t let a despicable slug like Toxic Tom get to you. Hugs!
The way Meghan always shared so warmly about her father during her career, made him seem like such a stand up guy. How heartbroken she must be to see who he truly is. The fact that he chose that horrid older daughter who I doubt ever helped in any way over Meghan is staggering to me.
I’m glad that she has nothing to do with him and that the interview bombed. What a horrible man.
he still doesnt get it, we have more pics of meghans life than any person in the public, they keep revealing her life and say they love her, why not shut the fu p. so even if he got to see his grand kids they would have to take away his phone so he couldnt take any sneaky pics. its funny the pic of him with the walking stick is to drive the point home that he had a stroke, but he got on a plane in pursuit of more money to once again expose his daughter to more torment . what a douche .
This is where I would flex royal muscle. I would take the kids to see him. I would have his hospital room, home, hotel, or where ever checked for microphones. Then I would have some one threaten him if he acts wrong.
They have the power to force Thomas to be nice in private. The kids may want a few pictures with grandpa in the future so I would oblige.
lol. Why would Meghan’s children want to have pictures with someone who abused their mother and contributed her mental health struggles? Thomas want a picture, so he can sell to his tabloid palls who tried to ruin the wedding.
Absolutely not. He’s not a safe person for Meghan or her family. When her children are adults, they can choose whether to attempt a relationship but she is right to protect them.
This is terrible advice. Asking someone to martyr themselves, put themselves or their kids in harm’s way to make a point just empowers Tom and the tabloids who would benefit financially from that very action. How does that benefit anyone other than the tabloids?
@lanne, you have an infinite way to share logical advice. Like you, I had a really great father. Granted, as a high schooler, I may not have appreciated his parenting as much. He said what he had to say. If you messed up, you needed to own it. When we (my siblings and myself) did well, he was a great supporter. When we failed, he was a great supporter (unless it was a failure based on our own stupidity-then he would share encouraging words or other words to help us see the light).
It may not make sense to some. My/our Dad made a point of telling us we were not an extensio of him or mom. We’re our own people. If we did well it wasn’t because of something they did. If we messed up, it wasn’t on them either. lol That might have been his point. not really
My Dad had a very good business. We were not wealthy, or even moderately wealthy. A large family. Those of us with a degree/college education paid for it themselves/ourselves, along with grants, scholarships and some $ from our parents. At NO time, in mine or my siblings lives, have my parents EVER asked to be paid back for dollars spent on us. EVER
For decades, my siblings and myself, would secretly pay for stuff for our parents because they wouldn’t accept money from us. Mom would call and ask if we knew who was responsible for paying suchansuch bill. We’re like, no idea. Gift from God? Tom Sr. denied himself access to more grandchildren when he CHOSE to ef over his one and only decent child.
Unless tom stays away from the media for good i would not trust him.
He’s been very vocal about his dislike for their dad and his torment of their mother. To force young kids to spend time with someone who doesn’t like your parents is NOT a good thing. My mom, thinking she was doing good, did that with me and my brother to her parents (especially her mom). It left me with a lot of self doubt, she thinks my father is bad, I love my father, part of me comes from my father, so am I bad too? Just don’t do it. Don’t be the bigger person no matter how well intentioned, with little hearts that aren’t yours.
Being the bigger person is protecting your children.
Nah, this is terrible advice. Meghan would be putting herself and the children in danger if she met with her father.
No way in hell should this toxic monster ever have access to his grandchildren. This is the worst advice I have seen in many a long year. Why would H&M ever allow this man access to their precious children? So he can attempt to exploit them too? No. Meghan was wise to cut him out of her life. He doesn’t deserve a place in that family.
He’s toxic and is right to cut him out of her life. Still talking crap on her, but asking, what do I need to do to fix this? How about not doing tv shows and have your other grifter children on it to call her names!?
Also, I wish someone asked him about the lawsuit he lost. He’s terrible.
The silver lining is the two year restraining order on Toxic Tom. It gives ?Meghan and Harry legal grounds to keep the children away from him. These nasty interviews won’t help him in court either.
They have a restraining order against tom? When did this happen?
There’s no restraining order. Remember when Tom sued that pap agency for not paying him enough for the staged photos, then he went on to threaten them with physical harm and death? They have a restraining order against Tom.
Along with Heather’s comment. I knew the tabloids met their match with Tom. That man doesn’t care. I felt no sympathy that he scared that pap agency. They are helping someone make a buck off their child. Of course he wont hesitate to threaten them.
They already have the grounds to keep him away, many times over.
Thomas Markle would never have said “People magazine WERE coming out with it…” if it wasn’t scripted. Americans treat collective nouns as a single unit. Without exception, a native speaker of American English will use the singular conjugation “People magazine WAS coming out with it….”
Exactly!
He’s hoping those kids look like him so he can profit off of them for the rest of their lives. He’s an awful human being. Meghan made the best decision to cut him out of her life.
thank you. i try to remember this, but everytime assholes like TM (or my mother) says the opposite, i have to relive the reasons i made the decision. it retraumatizes and gaslights 🙁
Attorney here. I’ll say this every and any time I get the chance – GRANDPARENTS DONT HAVE RIGHTS TO GRANDCHILDREN. Their relationship to their grandchildren is directly related to their relationship with their child. If you want to be close to your grandchildren, be close with your child. PERIODT.
Not an attorney but speaking from personal experience, when the grandparents hate your parents, you can’t help but know that. And when you’re forced to spend time with them (my mom trying to be the bigger person) it’s horrible to your self esteem because you come from the people that they hate. Don’t do that to kids. Please
@HEATHERC
You have my sympathy. I made this mistake after my husband passed away, and didn’t find out much of what was said and done until my children were older. You are so right about it being horrible for their self esteem and so much more.
@GIRL NINJA
Personally, I believe Tom was able to mask his true self with Meghan as a child. 1. They weren’t together full time. 2. Children want to believe their parents are good. 3. Being a lighting director on a soap, he learned some acting, as well as toxic manipulation.
I remember watching GH back then, and it having many plotlines of that type.
Meghan and Harry have mothers who love them and fathers who don’t.
Tom has not seen any of his grandchildren he just.wants to see the royal ones
PRECISELY!
I saw clips of this interview on TikTok- which included the pieces in the quotation above. Two things are at the same time true – ONE: this is a horrible narcissist and Megan took the high road cutting him off.
TWO… At the same time, the media outlet who courted and organized this interview are DISGUSTING. Its obvious that this man has at one point had a stroke (I don’t think its an act), so they wave money at him in order to drag his daughter through the mud in the media on the eve of the Chubbly — when Megan has made it amply clear does not wish to be a part of the conversation — with comments about how he has been wounded by his own actions… ugh. BARF. He is vile. And so are the pack of bastards, who were no doubt paid to do this through some shady backroom deal with the Daily Fail or Stun…
He just keeps hurting her. I’m sad for her, but she’s better off without him in her life.
While Sam is all over Twitter saying Meghan’s kids don’t exist, or they’re not hers. So who are these grandchildren that Sr. is being deprived of?
I think Tom and the siblings admitted long ago the money helps. Thomas had to retire early. The sister had an illness. The brother was rebuilding his life. It seems like the tabloids caught them at the best time to exploit them.
Their only saving grace is thomas worked in Hollywood and knows the game. Which is why he threaten that pap agency. The sister seems to be doing any interview. She was on a YouTube show about home alarms a april 2023. The host basically used it as a chance to talk about himself. Lol. She was polite but I clicked off. I think the host saw it as a chance to sell himself.
Photographer Jeff Rayner obtained a two year restraining order against old markle. He feared for his life from this scum!
Tom Jr should get a real job.he just went on some reality show.
Meghan has no siblings. End of.
In todays news to absolutely no one else, relationships that aren’t mutually acceptable and two-way streets become tainted with upset.
Big surprise, Mr Markle.
(Shakes head)
This makes me so sad for Meghan, not only because she can’t safely have a relationship with her dad, but also because HIS behaviour provides a (poor) excuse for the media to drag her some more. Glad for her that she’s filled her life with loyal people who love her.
Having a grandparent relationship with a child is not a right, it is a privilege. Toxic Tom obviously has not earned the privilege to be a grandfather.
How many “deathbeds” does this man have? He’s been on his deathbed for five years.
Dear Tom, the cockroach, actions have consequences.
LOL. I don’t know how many “deathbeds” he has. Do know his are the deluxe option that includes a photographer and speed dial phone to TMZ.
I fluctuate between who I think are the biggest examples of abusive, manipulating pieces of 💩. Meghan’s dad & half sibling or Harry’s dad & full sibling.
They all want to exert control over their respective target’s lives, seemingly to drag them down or ‘put them in their place’. Being denied control, or even basic access, they have all equally lost the plot along with any tenuous grip on reality they may have once had. They have each become pathologically obsessed with the single goal of forcing their victims to acknowledge their own perceived superiority in a way that appeases their egos.
Morgan and Wooten et al also display a similar twisted need for validation from H&M. I often wonder if somewhere, deep down, all these people instinctively recognise H&M’s authenticity, genuine goodness, natural empathy, kindness and the simple joy of life/love that they share. Lacking those things themselves perhaps they feel a need to try to corrupt it, or even destroy it, in others.
They’re both shit. Harry’s paterfamilia have better table manners. That is all.
Toxic Tom is Charles and William without the palaces and wealth. Apparently this will be their last interview, perhaps because the well has run dry in the UK.
@Rackel
True, which is why the Sussexes should continue to just say no. Loving parents do not knowingly put their vulnerable children in toxic situations. He’s done nothing to show that he loves Meghan or any of his grandchildren. IF TT truly wanted to get to know his grandchildren, he knows exactly what to do. But he won’t unless he can make money from them. I wonder how Scam and Jr feel every time Sr whines about not seeing his Sussex grandchildren while not even acknowledging his other Markle grandchildren. But they apparently don’t have any relationships with their own offspring. That alone says everything.
If I had to guess, Meghan has overlooked/forgiven a lot of toxicity from TT. I don’t think she would be this resolute in cutting him off if the videos were a complete picture of TT’s parenting. At Archie & Lili’s current ages, they are too young to be exposed to the toxic Markles. When A&L are older, H&M might revisit allowing the children to interact in some limited capacity with the Markles with H&M’s supervision of course.
Why are people determined to talk about people having relationship with bad family?? All those bad family end up doing is talking trash and continuing to inflict hurt. Family means blood connection, not necessarily physical connection. And blood should not mean you have to have contact or take abuse
Cause too many people seem to think children owe their parents. And they do not.
Any therapist would be applauding Meghan for what she’s doing. She can’t trust her father. He’s a liar. He went to the press and disparaged her. And is still demanding she take care of him. Him being sick and one day dying is not her fault or her need to take care of. Especially since she and Doria took care of his mom. TM and Scammy are POS.
And Scammy just wants money. She tried to control her dad to get money from the relationship and is angry that she got caught off and ignored.
@Mary S: Huh? Interact with the Markles? Have you lost your mind? Which Markles? They’re all crooks and grifters and the lowest scum.
I cannot imagine being Harry and Meghan. The father wounds on such a public stage is unbelievable!! I know they are surrounded by lots of love and support but I hope they continue to give themselves space to process/heal as they create their own healthy family structure.
It’s also annoying because Doria
is also an only child with step siblings yet trolls blame Meghan for not knowing them.
The Markles haven’t had an interview in the UK for a while. Dan Wootens audience got pissed that he kept bringing that woman on the show. Now judging by the awful ratings they won’t have anymore in Australia either.
As someone said above, this was to be aired during the coronation. I believe they were going to be providing live commentary and when the Station realized Meghan wasn’t going, they pivoted, since the Scammers were already paid.
He denied himself of his grandchildren by running to the media.
The so called heart attack imo was a device imo to try to stop the wedding
Meghan was urged by some on media to postpone the wedding and see her father. And hoping in the media the wedding would have happened.
Would not have happened
IIRC it was reported that Tom Sr. had never met any of his grandchildren. Scammy has 2 Ashleigh and her brother who were adopted by their paternal grandparents and Noelle. Tom Jr. has two sons I believe.
Start there Daddy.
I have worked with numerous stroke survivors. I was always skeptical of his paparazzi filmed ride to the border for his “stroke” as stoke care doesn’t wait for an ambulance capable of driving 3 hours to a hospital in San Diego. Or it shouldn’t … if authentic.
He also doesn’t sound like someone who had to relearn how to speak.
Just like the “heart attacks,” it never happened. It was a lie to get out of going to court over the fake photos leading up to Meghan’s wedding … or something.