Ever since the Princess of Wales’s big cancer-announcement video on March 22, there’s been a weird energy around the Windsors and the royalist press. My theory is that King Charles and Buckingham Palace have taken charge of everything and ordered an abrupt end to months of clownery from Kensington Palace. There has been a weird radio-silence across official royal channels for more than a week as every senior royal enjoys their Easter holiday. Even the regular royal commentators seem pretty shy all of a sudden. Which might explain why the Sun literally dusted some ancient “former royal correspondent” to pontificate about where it all went wrong. Hint: it’s all the Duchess of Sussex’s fault. Remarkable, isn’t it?
Charles Rae, a legendary former royal correspondent, told The Sun’s Royal Exclusive show how the estranged brothers’ fractured relationship would break Diana’s heart. Speaking to The Sun’s Royal Editor Matt Wilkinson, Rae spoke of the Prince Harry and Prince William’s former unbreakable bond.
“They were really, really close. And this is what makes it so sad that they’re now so far apart,” he said. “When William becomes King, I always believed Harry would be one of his top advisers. I think that’s out of the window.”
Wilkinson added how Harry should be William’s “wingman”. Rae continued: “Yeah and that’s what Diana always wanted, the boys to remain as close as possible, they had each other, and it was them against the rest of the world but of course now it’s not happening.”
Charles Rae also believes that Prince Harry’s wife was “lauded” when she joined The Firm. Rae spoke on The Sun’s Royal Exclusive show about Megxit, recalling how public attitude towards her was fantastic in 2017 and 2018.
“When you saw Meghan with Harry when they were out and about, the crowds were 10 to 12 people deep,” he said. “It was back to the good old days of royal walkabouts – it was fantastic. It only started to go wrong when we started to hear there were a few strops being thrown by Meghan. Did she make Catherine cry, did she make Charlotte cry? You’ve got to accept that any bride is going to be right up there, the nerves are going to be sharp – so, you’ve got to take that into account. But I think it all went wrong when they decided they were gonna up sticks and go.”
When asked if there was ever a possibility for the Sussexes to return as working royals with a connection to the British public “like William and Kate”, Charles remarked that the “ship has sailed”. “I think they were lauded at one time, I think there was great hopes for the pair of them coming into the Royal Family. And given the problems she had with her own father, the King – then Prince of Wales – walked her halfway down the aisle. That was touching and I don’t believe it could have happened for Princess Diana or Sarah Ferguson.”
“I think that she was given every help and everything she could have possibly had to help her root into the Royal Family as clean and as clear as possible,” Rae continued. “I think she just threw it in their faces in the end.”
Rae believes that Meghan wanted to leave Britain and the Royal Family when she realised she couldn’t be the star of the show. “Meghan was the one who decided she didn’t want to be on this road. I don’t believe that she understood the pecking order of the Royal Family. You’ve got the monarch, you’ve got the Prince of Wales, and then you’ve got everyone else under that. She wanted to be the star and I think it was that simple.”
The “Harry could have been one of William’s top advisors” issue is fascinating, because as we’ve seen with both King Charles and QEII, they don’t actually need their siblings to play some huge role in their monarchical administrations, let’s say. QEII enjoyed a close relationship with Margaret, but let’s be clear – Margaret was never an “advisor” or allowed to be anything other than an alcoholic f–kup. Charles is particularly close to Anne, but Anne isn’t some political advisor or anything like that. They really expected Harry to spend his entire life not only providing cover for the work-shy, dipsh-t heir, but they expected Harry to be the brains behind “King William.”
As for all of this sh-t about Meghan… Rae and every other royalist wants to conveniently ignore the fact that the public’s embrace of the Sussexes is exactly why the Windsors threw them to the wolves. The charismatic and popular Sussexes were eclipsing the whole operation.
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That is hysterical.
Let’s have the litany of prior moments where they listened to him and did what he recommended.
Such bullshit they spew. Prince Harry knows exactly what his family wants: He was the punching bag and fall guy to draw attention from William. When The Sussexes left GB, you would think the media abuse would stop there; those assholes followed them to California!
Top aide to a paper tiger? Worthless. Whether William or Charles, the monarch has no meaningful responsibility. Reas red box contents, cut ribbons, smile and wave and rearrange the deck chairs of other family members. Am certain harry does not want and is making a greater impact on the world from where he is now!
His Top doormat and punching bag they mean.
William saw what QEII did to Margaret and said “I’ll have the same”.
He said that’s too tame. I’ll go a couple of steps further
QEII might not have bullied Magaret into her role but she certainly did nothing to help her sister. William is just too much of a bully not to bully his brother himself.
William is too jealous and too resentful of Harry to listen to any advice or suggestions Harry might give him. Anything Harry suggested, William would do the exact opposite, and then he would blame Harry when it all ended in a big fuck-up. Every mistake her made, every failure he had, he would hold Harry responsible for. Harry is well out of that mess.
They have to dust this stuff off and re-run it because that’s all they are allowed to run. They can’t talk about the Wales because they are missing and aren’t allowed to tell the truth. So we will see more of this until the Wales deem it necessary to make an appearance real or fake. Harry was never going to be a top advisor to Peg he was only there to be scapegoat.
They are truly pandering to the part of the population that hasn’t read Spare, and that’s it. The people who think Harry was ever close to his brother. He has made it abundantly clear that he never was.
Thank you Susan Collins. Every time we see one of these dusted-off, stale, nothing stories, we should be reminding folks of what they are trying to distract us from: The mess that is William and Kate. #Whereiskate?
This Rae fellow is doing a lot of “work” with his “I think” and “I believe”. He knows nothing.
Just another old white man that wants to place blame on the American Duchess who is a WOC.
There’s a word for that.
William doesn’t seem to take advice. Period.
No he doesnt !
We where in Monaco at de weekend where l as talking.to a Beligum gentleman anyway he said to me he had plenty of contacts within certain groups where certain people want Harry as King but de M15 would never allow that to happen, scary stuff
Just the idea of replacing William with Harry as king being entertained amongst some is interesting.
What would MI-5’s issue be with Harry being King? Not that I want it to happen. I’m just curious. Because by literally every single other measure (other than birth order) Harry is the only one that currently qualifies.
IF he must be King, I want these fuckers on their knees BEGGING for Harry AND Meghan to return and the press doing a 180 on their nasty coverage.
Given that George lives, the only way back for Harry as monarch is a regency until George comes of age at 18. I don’t see Willy being removed unless he pitches a fit in public and the men in gray hustle him into a nice sanitorium for a few decades. And even then, I doubt Harry would return, even to “save” the monarchy. He’s too happy and productive where he is.
Sorry, that person was talking nonsense. The Tories would prefer a lazy stooge like William who will just do/sign off on whatever they want as long as the money keeps coming in. There’s no way MI-5 or any other fundamentally conservative organization (aka ALL of law enforcement) would want Harry over William. William won’t interfere with their power-grabbing, Harry would.
That’s silly. This isn’t John LeCarre.
Harry has no realistic pathway to become King; it ain’t happening. It would require William. George, Charlotte and Louis to die or abdicate without heirs. It’s not happening. No one in MI5 is talking about not wanting Harry to be King because it’s not happening. The only possibility Harry had was for William to die or abdicate and either way he (William) would have had to remain childless.
Harry and Meghan have their own children to raise. I can’t visualize Harry staying in the UK to be Regent to George.
No w and h were never really really close. Harry told it like it was in spare. Diana wanted both her son’s to marry and said so. She would not have wanted harry to never marry and being Williams scapegoat for life.
Willy would never listen to Harry. He is too arrogant. Also Harry won’t tickle his ear with bull like the grey suits will.
I’m sure Harry is suuuuper sad to not spend his life advising an incandescent rager. Especially since Bill is petty enough to have ordered him “as the future king” to shave his beard. Someone who wields power like that is definitely advisable! 🙄🙄 (The assumption that a sibling’s proximity to the king is somehow a triumph and life’s purpose, is just so ….weird to me. Harry was made for so much more.)
Exactly! Harry and Megan should just continue to live their happy and fulfilling lives in sunny California and raise their kids to live the Sussex way! The BRF deserve all this karma given the way they used and abused Harry and Megan. Let them rot in their own bile!
Right. Harry was made for so much more and that’s obvious. Being with Meghan, made it much more obvious because Meghan is the same. The BM works hard at ignoring all of Meghan’s accomplishments before meeting Harry.
Harry & Meghan are super sad that they took themselves out of being under the financial control of William. /s Charles’ Duchy didn’t apparently have money for Meghan/children. William would have been worse.
1. Advisor is a weird way of saying scapegoat.
2. Meghan was given every help. That help was “be 50% less” and came with a side of “not like that.” It was followed up with some “degree wife Me-Gain” snickering behind her back and some “don’t correct our lies about you” warnings. With a dash of “let your baby be depicted as a chimp” racism for good messure.
In other words, their help was no help at all.
Yup. Advisor doesn’t mean the same thing to royalists as it does to us common folk.
@Rapunzel
Dont forget the chambermaids and kitchen help and assorted other servants telling their combolo in the shitmedia that they were there to serve queen and country not some %$@#&*^%$#@!! actress from America
It wasn’t until after the Oprah interview that the Palace decided it had to do something to correct years and years of racial discrimination in its employment policies thanks to Meghan talking about the lack of non whites in higher positions. With an atmosphere no wonder the staff didn’t like to take orders from a “coloured”(their word) Meghan wasn’t the first to complain, one of the heads of the Commonwealth complained about it years ago, but it was hushed up.
Four years on, and these people are still frozen in amber. You would think this whole operation would have adapted and adjusted by now, but they either can’t or won’t. All they can do is opine about what “should” have been and desperately try to force everything back to the original plan. Harry covering for William.
I wonder if back then Harry realized how crucial he was for the whole operation once the Queen died. He was literally the lynchpin. I think/hope by now he knows his true value and will never submit and sublimate himself ever again to prop up this rotting institution.
If there was ever a real life situation closer to the tale of Cinderella than Prince Harry’s I’d like to hear it because Harry’s story is astonishingly spot on right down to being worked all hours, disrespected in favour of the heir and having an evil stepmother.
Seriously! I agree with you both entirely, and I really hope Harry sees it now. The part that makes me laugh is it is now clear that the entire establishment has always known that Willnot was going to be lazy and worthless, and not one of them thought of that before they bullied the Sussexes out of the country.
It’s particularly short-sided from the British media, since they were chasing away their cash cows, and they had to know it. If ever there was a time to abolish the monarchy, this has to be it.
I would love a rom com called Cinderfella, loosely based on Harry’s story.
I would absolutely watch that 😂😂😂
There already has been a Cinderfella movie, starring Jerry Lewis. Harry’s story would be better, though.
@Snuffles, “Four years on, and these people are still frozen in amber.”. (awesome)
And, intentionally ignorant.imo Harry was never “Prince Thicko”. I believe his successes in the Army threw the BRF off. He excelled, was/is respected and worked. Whilst William was workshy.
Harry comes back after his 2 tours and is then being sent everywhere. He said yes when others said no because of his duty to QE2.
LOL @ArtHistorian. I’d watch. There is a 1960 film of that title starring Jerry Lewis and Susan Wiggs has a book titled the same.
The charismatic and popular sussexes were eclipsing the whole operation. Well-timed observation @kaiser. They were indeed eclipsing☀️
Blah, blah, blah, Diana, blah. If anything Diana would be annoyed that, 25 years later, people are still trying to make money off of her name.
She’d also probably wish for PW to not be a jerk, for H&M to not be subject to racism and lies, for her grandson to not be compared to a chimp, for her granddaughter to not be attacked over her name…..
The way they all think they can speak for Diana is so gross. I think most of us who remember Diana at all can agree that she’d likely be proud of Harry and disappointed in William simply based on the objective facts we know about the past 7-8 years.
She might feel sorrier for William than we’re inclined to, since she knows just how bad things can be in that family, and he *is* still her son. But I’m just some random person making a comment online— I don’t have a public platform on which I’m declaring I know how Diana would be thinking or feeling about anything. My opinion is not being disseminated and treated like “news” like this idiot’s is.
And our opinions are just based on what the public knows about…there are still hundreds of pages worth of even worse BTS stories that Harry DIDN’T reveal. Yet.
In any case, they should stop putting words into a dead woman’s mouth for their own clicks. It’s so crass and tacky.
If William wants to criticize anything about the press, it should be this— all of these people purporting to know what his dead mother is thinking. But obviously he won’t as long as the people spouting off are claiming that Diana would be pro-Wales and anti-Sussex. William is such a petty, revolting little man.
Anyway, lmao at “top advisor.” Harry would have been no such thing. He would have spent the rest of his life being abused in the same exact way William had been treating him for years. William doesn’t listen to ANY “advisors” (except maybe Knauf), and the last person whose opinion he’d take seriously would be Harry’s.
It’s so weird. They act like Diana herself wasn’t an escapee from that toxic family/institution.
*An escapee who, IIRC, talked about moving to the US herself.
They are desperately trying to rewrite Diana’s history, and Harry’s. I am never going to stop being amazed that Harry had the bravery to say “you know what, none of what you think about me is true”.
Everyone keeps confirming that H would have been de facto King, “top adviser”, global statesmen doing all the diplomatic trips, and court jester when needed. And he was supposed to WANT to do all of that.
Yep. I always though Harry was just going to be the shadow king, while William was going to be the public face, but with how William is acting now, Harry was definitely going to be doing all of the work of being king. Maybe Will would do something if they found him.
Charles has cancer and his heir, the 1 person who is actually supposed to step up is in the wind. Everyone planned on Harry being around to carry the monarchy because they all knew William isn’t up to the task. Now they’re panicking because they don’t know what to do. It’s not just about Harry being a scapegoat. It’s about Harry being plan B.
woulda shoulda coulda is an assbiting b*tch. I wish Harry would become an American citizen, and he renounces his titles, the monarchy is a cesspool and it deserves that raspberry.
I honestly think that Harry would renounce his titles and apply for American citizenship if there were any real chance of his recall to the UK to be a regent, or king, or whatever. He’s that determined to stay out of that cesspool (very apt description, @Agnes).
I don’t know that this article necessarily reflects well on Baldilocks. Would he have authorised
a story that makes him look weak & ineffectual without his brother beside him?
Wow! I mean, no! ? The Pegger hates Harry as he’s claimed a bazillion times. And Harry won’t bow down to pegs. And then there’s M who was abused by pegs. This is all one big hell no.. Dream on ratchet
This is such fanfiction. Harry’s own story in Spare shows that he was not in fact a respected advisor of William in any way and that he barely saw him.
It is so weird to see all these royal “experts” going on and on about how close Harry and William were when Harry’s memoir reveals that they weren’t close at ALL! And they never were!
This commitment to a complete fiction is so strange and unhealthy. Especially since they are putting their fixation on real people who they don’t even know.
Also, Harry would never have been a top advisor to William because William doesn’t take advice and he is pathologically jealous of his younger brother.
Yes! And as Harry disclosed in spare, William did not even ask Harry to be his best man at his wedding! Wow! KP and their media schlubs must really think we’re stupid!
They didn’t even see each other when the Wails were living at Kensington Palace and Harry was at Nott Cottage, pre Meghan! How much more obvious did Harry need to make it that he has never been close to his brother?!
I really wish they would stop with this Meghan wanted to be the top dog nonsense. Meghan deferred to them in every aspect, way longer than I would have, and they still piled more crap on top of her. And no she didn’t make Kate cry or Charlotte cry we’ve already cleared that up. It’s really wild to look at people be so engulfed in their racism and sense of superiority, that you lay out everything that they have done to you that is abhorrent, and for them to still say well remember that one time I did a semi-decent thing for you that should be enough. They really wanted him walking her 50 ft on one day to be the warm coal she held to herself as they treated her like crap for years.
My assumption has always been that Kate cried to either William or her mother when she got home from the fitting. In the interviews, we learned that Meghan had cried during the fitting. So they both cried, just at different times.
@Concern Fae – Both “may” have cried. BUT, only one felt their behaviour was so, bad that they felt the need to write a note and send flowers in order to save their own skin.
@Concern Fae, on Spare, Harry said that Kate told (confirmed) them (H&M) that the story wasn’t true and it was Meghan who cried. So, no Kate didn’t cry because she was too busy being as*hole to Meghan who was dealing with her father’s mind games.
Whatever happened, it was apparently enough for Kate to apologize and send Meghan flowers, wasn’t it?
I’m not saying that makes up for it – allowing that rumor to go really ruined Meghan’s reputation, as this story points out. Letting it fester was short sighted at best, mean spirited at worst.
Kate gave Meghan a note of apology but did not bother to correct the lie in the media. Kate made Meghan cry
I can’t believe people are still making excuses for Kate. Harry has documented in his book that Kate admitted that she was wrong and that she apologised to Meghan.
At this point, I wish Harry had included the apology in Spare, verbatim. You know Meghan still has it. These people are never going to stop lying about it, ever. I understand why he didn’t, especially since KP leaked Meghan’s letter to her father, but still.
As I recall, Kate also sent Meghan a note or card with the flowers.
Receipts
@Concern Fae, you’re repeating a BM tabloid version. Did you read SPARE?
Kate communicated to Meghan that Charlotte’s bridesmaid dress didn’t fit. Meghan told Kate that AJ/Ajay was at KP for final fittings. He had been there for a long time. All Kate had to do was take Charlotte down for a final fitting. Instead, Kate thought telling Meghan ALL the bridesmaid dresses needed to be remade.
Kate then told Meghan, “The wedding is in four days.”. As if Meghan didn’t know (along with the Daily Mail’s b*llf*ckery with staged Bad Dad shots). Meghan told Kate, AGAIN, that AJ/Ajay was available for fittings. Kate was hassling Meghan about bridesmaid dresses (for little girls) four days before the wedding.
Meghan didn’t cry during a “fitting”. Harry came home and found Meghan crying because Kate was causing more stress to an already stressful situation.
And, Meghan’s friend Lindsay, was there when Kate showed up with flowers and an apology card/note. I believe the next day?.
The fitting didn’t include Meghan being there. They communicated by phone and Meghan suggested she take the dress to be fitted by the seamstress just as she had suggested for all of the bridesmaids mothers. Meghan wasn’t at the fitting so it’s impossible that Meghan made Kate or Charlotte cry. As Meghan mentioned in the phone call, she was dealing with a father that she assumed at the time had had a heartache and she was busy with trying to get him to answer her phone calls and text messages. So as a bride and daughter she was under a great deal of stress. Kate sending a note and flowers was in response to her actually making Meghan cry. The leak came from Kate or someone in her circle and never once in the years since the leak did they say that both ladies were made to cry, only Kate and Charlotte were made to cry by Meghan according to the various stories.
Omfg ‘strops thrown by Meghan who made Kate and or Charlotte cry’. Wtaf. These lies are awful
When they have nothing else to say, it always circles back to this nonsense. The fact that they’re even mentioning “Crygate” tells us they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.
It’s infuriating. Meghan has publicly corrected the record about the crying story, but they keep running with the original lie because her words aren’t considered to be truthful or valued by any of them. (Which directly contradicts what this guy is saying about how much they all liked and rooted for her.)
A large segment of the population (well, the ones who pay attention to this kind of thing, lol) will go to their graves believing that “Meghan made Kate cry!” and nothing will convince them otherwise.
A video of the incident proving Meghan’s account was correct could be released, and somehow they’d still find a way to twist it around and blame it on angry Black Meghan.
@L84Tea, you’re right, though- the fact that they’re dragging out the fcking crying story again shows how desperate they are. They have NOTHING.
Enough of this ‘Cry gate’ bull s#it! It was a nothing story then and its a nothing story now!
“Kate made Meghan cry”….” Meghan made Kate cry” and now even Charlotte has gotten into the act.
Anybody note that this big ‘talking point’ is about 1) A fresh postpartum woman. (crying is not unusual) 2) A bride under stress as this wedding will be broadcast Everywhere (And she’s dealing with a father who is out of control) and 3) A kiddie under age five.
In my experience, they’re ALL going to cry!
True story: my first wedding my maid if honor WAS just delivered of her first child. (She cried A lot…for what seemed like nothing). I cried as I had to do everything on my own (except pay for it) as my parents were running businesses and had zero time. However, my 4yr old flower girl did NOT cry once. She had a ball! To this day, 56 years later, my former maid of honor and i laugh about it all the time. So this x made y cry story is just silly…..on all sides.
@Renae, you don’t know Kate well enough to discuss her hormones!
No. Sorry @renae but I disagree. Saying that crying story is just silly…on all sides. Yeah, no. No no no no no. Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re trying to say but there was ONE SIDE that leaked a story that Meghan made Kate cry. Which was a lie. Meghan would never have once spoken about the story if ONE SIDE hadn’t leaked a lie. Kate’s side did that. So saying it’s silly on all sides is ignoring the fact that Meghan was abused in the tabloids by a story that Kate and her mom leaked. On purpose. To hurt Meghan. And it wasn’t true. It’s not a silly crying story. It’s an example of racist abuse that was perpetuated by Kate and her mom and the tabloids against Meghan. Who was later suicidal. This is not a both sides are silly situation. Meghan was not ever silly for correcting a lie that had been told against her.
Thanks for saying that @jais. History has shown how dangerous white women lies about tears can be for Black people so no it was never a trivial story. Meghan said on Oprah it was the start of a real character assassination & it was part of using racist tropes (angry aggressive Black woman) that has brought a lot of abuse to Meghan especially when the press suggested that Meghan was abrupt with Charlotte too.
There’s a reason why the press keep trying to push that Meghan made Kate cry & also why Kensington palace/Middletons put out the lie & never corrected it or just said everybody was stressed & emotional that day & it was chilled after. it was part of smearing meghan’s character
Agree @abritguest, that it was a character assassination. What has always bothered me is that the BM immediately started downplaying the story as soon as Meghan corrected the lie used against her. Previously, when Meghan was the “villain,” it was a serious story and was seen as serious evidence against Meghan’s character. But once the story was corrected, all of the sudden, the narrative became that it was just a frivolous story about bridesmaids dresses. As in “oh who cares, everyone was crying, what does it matter who cried first.” It became eyerolls and “oh who cares about a story about bridesmaids dresses.” As if anyone who brings up the wrong that was committed against meghan is just bringing up a trivial story. And that’s just not the case. At all. The deflection is just another example of the dehumanization that happened against Meghan while Kate was treated as an innocent victim.
“Meghan was not ever silly for correcting a lie that had been told against her.”. Spot on @Jais. Or a false story used against her. When challenged by H&M in December 2018 by H&M (at a meeting in H&M’s homefront), the WanK’s put on their thinking caps of lies. Kate was flustered with the question. SHOCKER! William was William. And then, Oh by the way, we mentioned something to the C’s back in October.
Camilla Tominey’s, explanations/reactions on the Phil & Holly show after the Oprah interview (deer in headlights eyeballs), and “maybe they both cried” and other lies out of CT’s mouth. CT always claimed to have 2 highly placed palace sources. Then backtracked. Lying liars tell lies and don’t ever self correct. Even if you’re a supposed “journalist’.
It was “them against the rest of the world”? When was this? When PW snubbed PH at school? When PW continually threw PH under the bus so he got good PR? And Meghan wasn’t throwing “strops”. Everything was being thrown at her in the media. PH is better off far away from being blamed for everything that goes wrong with PW’s reign.
And don’t forget when Harry told how William and his friends thought it would be funny telling Harry to run for his life while they took literal potshots at Harry with real guns. William could have killed his brother in this unfunny joke. This is why I continue to give side eyes to what happened to his cousin-in-law and his wife.
Wait what? Was this in Spare?
Wut.
William would never, could never have an “advisor”. He’s spent the past few months showing how he will say and do whatever the hell he wants, no matter how damaging it is to the institution or his personal reputation.
Lolol if that was true re Meghan wanting to be the “star” (rather than the spotlight just naturally finding her) they wouldn’t have to say it so often.
It’s also incredibly racist because what they’re really saying is “she didn’t know her place” (aka she was “uppity”). The way she’s described you’d think she huffed and puffed and sulked and tried to push her way to the front when she had to walk behind the others due to their dumb made up pecking order but she never looked anything other than gracious and accepting. And lastly, this also is along the same vein as when crazy(ier) ppl talk about her wanting to be queen and being upset when she realised Harry would never be… Umm W&K already had two kids by the time she and H even met so to hear them tell it, she’s an idiot (though also calculating and clever to scheme all the schemes they accuse her of). It’s just so dumb.
It’s obvious in every video of Meghan with QEII that she was desperate to show the proper deference. They are flat out gas-lighting with this particular narrative, all anyone has to do is watch how she treated the queen.
“When William becomes King, I always believed Harry would be one of his top advisers. I think that’s out of the window.”
Harry has always had Williams back…ALWAYS. Even after he found the love of his life in Meghan, he was still there for his brother and family. Harry and Meghan’s hard work, charm, good looks and glamour out shined everyone in that family especially Bully and KKKate. So no he has no back up and he’s on his own fumbling and bumbling all over the place.
And Harry has his wingwoman in his baddie of a wife.
Meghan is, of course far to pretty as well. oops! Shades of Diana.
It’s been said before: The UK coulda had a bad bitch.
It was going great until they heard about a few strops being thrown by Meghan. Did Meghan make Kate cry? Did she make Charlotte cry? Ummm, those were all lies. Planted by Meghan’s new family. And the press gleefully printed them. So, yeah, imagine Meghan having a backbone and not wanting to stay in a place where everyone is abusing her. Shocking, I know🙄.
And not just Meghan either, there was racial abuse of Archie as well, including the language of the slave trade in the Excess comments. Funny how all that stopped after they left the country.
The RF should have said something. Of course they could have. Never complain never explain is a lie. They went on record to deny Kate’s hair extensions, Botox and excerpts from the tatler article. But they couldn’t go on record about the racial comments against Archie. It was always a deliberate choice.
This is where Kate’s refusal to correct the lie about the crying story continues to be used as a weapon against Meghan. This fool is still pretending that the crying story was Meghan’s fault and not Kate. He completely dismissed Meghan speaking to Oprah and correcting for a large global audience.
Also no one speaks of Charles needing Andrew, Edward or Anne as advisors so why would Harry need to be dragged into this.
William listens to no one anyway. This fake photo mess would not have happened had William taken advice.
He needs to remember that Kate bought Meghan flowers to apologise, pity she didn’t speak up when the press started lying about who cried. I would have a higher opinion of her.
This. The story is continuing to be weaponized against Meghan. And she did nothing wrong except get married. The story was used as a weapon against her then and they’re still doing it today.
I “like” how he is using the “meghan made kate cry” story as some sort of rationale for why the press and public turned against Meghan. You mean the story that was a lie? You mean the story that someone (cough Carole cough) passed to Camilla tominey and swore it was the truth and solidified Meghan as the angry Black woman, out to destroy the white english rose because Meghan can’t stand that Kate was “better” than her.
And back to the insistence that Meghan left b/c she wasn’t the star of the show. You see, that was the issue – Meghan WAS the star of the show, and the other royals couldn’t handle it, and they set out to destroy her and very nearly succeeded.
No doubt she was the star and they couldn’t have her shining! 🌟
Diana would be so disappointed in William.
So glad Harry is out! 💗
Charles Rae is really rewriting history. I saw a clip from this show & he said that Meghan being mixed race, an actress & American was seen as an asset. So I guess I imagined all the times the press talked about Meghan being an American actress like it was a slur which was also apparently how some in the palace felt. Also Charles was racist towards Meghan on SM so him claiming her being mixed race was seen as a good thing is total bs coming from him.
He also mentioned Meghan being attractive being a good thing whereas I remember an article in 2020 where royal correspondents said that Meghan was too sexy to be a royal. And he’s going on about how great it was how popular H&M were when I remember lots of articles saying their popularity was an issue for the heirs etc & Meghan needed to know she wasn’t the star & she needed to know her place
The press are stubbornly sticking to their royal propaganda about how close Harry & William supposedly were when Harry himself said that wasn’t the case . I guess makes it easier to blame Meghan for the division. Also it’s telling that the only support they can point to from the palace is Charles giving Meghan away on her wedding day. Which incidentally was absolutely amazing PR for Charles
The press blew it & know they helped drive out H&M & are left with a geriatric monarchy & are doing revisionism instead of admitting their mistakes
@ABritGuest, totally agree. We all watched it play out ourselves in real time and saw what happened: H&M were becoming too popular and needed to be stopped.
I despise when they cite the Charles/aisle story as proof of how much the family accepted Meghan, because as you said, it’s total BS. That move got Charles some of the best PR he’d gotten in YEARS! (Maybe even decades?)
Even I sort of fell for it, and I’ve always haaaated that dude. Same with him kindly walking out of the church with Doria after the wedding so she wouldn’t be alone, and how they included Doria in that photo of the Queen and Philip meeting Archie. Those were all strategic moves made by the BRF to try and show the public how not-racist they all were (and they worked). We know now exactly how Meghan was being treated behind closed doors.
He is speaking to those people who were never following this whole thing and who haven’t read ‘Spare”.
I actually started following the whole sorry saga after an article from Tom Sykes about their Australian tour.
He talked about their rock star reception and said it could be a problem for William who was very jealous.
As my grandmother would say…”his words never dropped to the ground”.
Exactly what happened, and the smear campaign increased so soon after that article that I was like….but this is what I read.
A big yes to everything you said!
“They really expected Harry to spend his entire life not only providing cover for the work-shy, dipsh-t heir, but they expected Harry to be the brains behind “King William.”
They wanted Harry and Meghan to be doormats to the monarchy. Meghan wanted to do her best and they abused her instead. Instead of acknowledging that, the press and Family want to gaslight everybody to blame the victims.
Harry & Meghan were the only relatable people in that clan. I just cannot relate to the arrogance of this family. I don’t care about their bloodline. I don’t understand how people can fawn over these creeps. Their treatment of Diana, the embracing of Pedo Andy, the abuse of the Sussexes and the fake pics & videos are vile & disgusting. And Peg would never make Harry a top advisor, Harry was his whipping boy.
“Meghan was given every support but didn’t listen”
THIS was always what they were going to say about her. Whether the firm ran her off or got her to unalive herself the public line was always going to be we did everything we could but she didn’t listen.
I’m so happy Harry took his family and ran. The firm had a tragic plan for his wife and their cover story ready to go but he overturned all of that by getting them out. By leaving and living as their authentic selves its become obvious whose desperate for media attention, is short on credibility and is responsible for the Sussexes having to flee for their lives. Time truly heals and reveals all things and no amount of revisionist history written by obscure writers can stop that.
@B
Perfectly stated.
H&M disrupted the script which the ghouls in palaces and their henchmen in the shitmedia had written for The Brief Story of H&M in the BRF and I dont believe those troglodytes in Shithole Cuntry will EVAH! get over it.
I’ll never get over that story about the fire in baby Archie’s nursery, during the South Africa trip.
I just can’t with these assholes and their lies upon lies upon lies.
Meghan literally said she made herself smaller, 50% less, wore bland colors so she wouldn’t stand out. The fact that a 50% less, blending into the background Meghan, who was forced by the palace to isolate herself for months on end was STILL a bigger draw and better at her job than Pegs and Keen is a YOU problem, not a Meghan problem. The fact that it was Meghan who cried and not the precious white princess and – to this day – isn’t given any empathy or grace is a YOU problem, not a Meghan problem. The fact that Meghan has been gone for longer than she was part of that institution and yet she’s STILL all you ever talk about, is a YOU problem, not a Meghan problem. The fact she was getting 10-12 deep at her walkabouts and people were handing the queen flowers to give to Meghan, is a YOU problem, not a Meghan problem. The fact that you’re stuck with a raging, incompetent, boring, racist, inappropriate joke-making asshole for an heir (and he’s all alone without his hard-working, charismatic brother to prop him up), is a YOU problem! The racist and jealous royals who couldn’t see Meghan’s value to the family and institution – or, you know, as a human being – brought this on themselves. The rota rats and the British public they’ve whipped up into a Sussex-hating frenzy brought this all on themselves.
My GOD, these fcuking people.
You sum it all up so nicely, Sussexwatcher. 👏👏👏
@SussexWatcher, 👏👏👏👏👏👏
YES to all of this. They have literally brought this on themselves and instead figuring out how to get the heir to work and the co-hoe to do more they just blame the Sussexes for the situation they created.
You wanted them gone! Deal with it!
@Sussexwatcher Absolutely!!👏👏👏
Rae even admits that Harry and Meghan were the stars of the show so why would Meghan throw it away if that was what she wanted? Plus, he continues with the Palace myth that Harry and William were so close when Harry himself says that it wasn’t true.
Me — burst out laughing out loud, after seeing that headline . Where to start with this convenient lie. The biggest decision Harry ever made in his life, was the choice of whom to marry. We don’t have to love the ones our siblings choose, but we can respect their decision, and elect to live and let live. William couldn’t even do the bare minimum, and went so far as to not only work with the tabloids against his brother and SIL, but physically assaulted Harry. But the rewriting of history can serve as a convenient distraction from the screw-up that William has been exposed for, since H&M’s departure.
BTW, where’s Kate?
Yes! William,, the FK, physically assaulted his brother.
Where is Kate? The supposed lynchpin, jewel and rock of the monarchy.
This is gaslighting on steroids. Meghan was the star. That’s why the crowds were 10-12 deep on walk abouts, like the good old days of Diana, the other star.
The only truth here is that Diana would be heartbroken over what her sons have come to. But she would certainly recognize that William was abusing his brother and causing the rift. William would be a huge disappointment to her I’m sure.
The only valid point in that article is “the ship has sailed.” The Sussexes now had businesses, friends a home and children in American.
Why are this particular branch always truncating Harry’s life, first they cut short his army service , they’ve spent the last 8 years trying to break up his marriage now they want him to come back and sit in the basement with hole in his shoes to be Willy’s right hand a man who doesn’t appreciate him. If other siblings haven’t historically been right hand people why is Willy’s reign any different?
They just don’t want to admit that Willy needs all the help he can get. And that is spelled H-A-R-R-Y, Lili.
Well, you know, all women are either angels or whores. We must put them in one category or another, and Meghan clearly, obviously, I mean you can see, she belongs in the latter category.
It’s rich what they say about Meghan, given how they all abuse her constantly, verbally, and want her to come back to they can abuse her at closer range. Why wouldn’t she just oblige everyone and conform to their low view of her? Assume her role they had assigned? They had an angel already, they needed a whore to complete the set.
Its grotesque.
Top advisor? My ass William hates his own brother , hates that he is free and happy with a women who has more than 2 braincells. He was not even his bestmen at his wedding to Kate it was all fake the only thing he needs Harry and Meghan is to take the blame for everything he or any other member fu… up they need the scapegoat
After Spare you have people who still insist these brothers are close?
I really believe the rota is flooding the space with these lies so by the end when all of them will be dead the only thing that will stay in public consciousness will be the lies.
The whole previous article about that aristocrat wedding, six months ago the whole thing was about how the groom was shading and banish Harry from his wedding to please Egghead, now it’s how Harry is snubbing them and in particularly the aristocrats aka the representatives of the “UK’s best families”. The NY Mag relying in the US the nonsense from rota members and spreading the lies that Meghan was received with respect and love when it’s not true.
This whole process is to set the narrative that Meghan ruined the nonexistent relationship between Harry and Egghead. After reading Spare I truly believe they were merely acquaintances who share blood and pretend to be close for the media but after that each is living their lives and don’t bother. Before Spare I really thought, Harry was spending time with his brother, his kids and knew Buttons, but he barely know that woman, didn’t spend that much time with his nephews and niece. Egghead clearly disliked the fact that Harry is an effective worker and have successful projects, so how are we supposed to believe that man would have Harry as his adviser when he can’t even handle him just telling him the people working for him are lazy ass liars who sell their asses to the press.
I need this year something that will be so big that the world will stop believing anything coming from the rota and the Australian idiotic press. The whole KP fiasco was taken as a joke but I need something bigger to show how this whole space is trash.
Keep Meghan’s name of of your dirty mouths, “journalists.”
All our nuanced arguments are wasted on these nasty hypocrites. How they make sycophancy and self-serving merge is a real sight to behold.
I watched Scoop this weekend. They wanted Harry to have the same fate as Margaret and Andrew. Aimless, drunk and messy. Anne escaped because she was not the Spare because she had the wrong genitals ( insert eyeroll). Being the spare is nothing but a trap, you’re expected to do all these things but you can’t outshine the Heir. In what world would William take or receive any advice from Harry? He sure likes telling people what to do though.
Diana wasn’t on speaking terms with her own mother when she died, and she had a frosty relationship with her sister Jane who was married to the Queen’s private secretary. But sure, tell me about how Diana would heartbroken over two brothers who were being distant.
Has retirement addled this idiots brain, or did he just agree to lend his name to this sht.
Diana was the first one to warn of Williams temper, the first one to admit that William wasn’t fit to be king because of his temperament. She said Harry was far more suited to the role
And no, Harry was not born just to walk 10 paces behind Billy,moping up the sht he had caused, YES the crowds were AT LEAST 10 deep, and that’s the problem, Billy and bone thought the sun shone just for them, and couldn’t stand the fact that the REAL warmth was for Megan and Harry
Megan didn’t make Kate cry, she didn’t make Charlotte cry, but oh how the press enjoyed printing those lies (on Billy’s instruction) and oh how the Palace enjoyed letting it happen. Well fk the lot of them. They will never get the chance to use /, hurt with their lies again. Megan and Harry are DONE with them
The false accusations against Meghan are so offensive. And Kate just let the lies stay in the media about the crying stories. William wont listen to advice anyway he would keep telling harry he’s giving bad advice
Harry and Meghan have been away from the dysfunction for four years.time for William to get over it
Then a. Diana’s mother screamed at her over the phone about her dating Dr khan because he was of another race. Jane and Sarah and Diana had no rift. Diana never drove out her siblings like what William did to harry
While Frances had Indian blood herself, the hypocrite.
So these salty Bchs weren’t content with Their bs about Meghan making Karen the English white rose cry. No , let’s throw in how Meghan made the white daughter of the English white rosé cry.lord, if I hear one more crusty ass white man or woman tell me one more time how the sky falling in on the palace of lies every damn problem is meghan fault, I might hit something. If wank the incandescent can’t king alone , then hang it up and go get a 9-5 job at Burger King ffs
The sheer tenacity of the smear campaign should be confirmation enough for fair minded people that the plans for H&M, and especially Meghan, were and remain sinister. If anyone has any doubt, ask yourself “Where is Kate?”
I believe that William has three of the most dangerous traits that any leader can possess: (1) a serious lack of intellectually heft (ignorance accompanied by over confidence, a la Donald Trump); (2) need to control, and (3) a well-documented violent temper. For these reasons, the volume of British media reports of William’s obsession with Harry, puts Harry and Meghan in tremendous danger, should William ascend the throne.
Seriously, Concern Fae, you are okay with a grown azz woman being a godzilla during another woman’s wedding prep?!! Can you not see how seriously offensive that is, if true? A wedding is in itself a very stressful event, yet we are to be okay with Meghan having to deal, not only with her rotten family behaving like Trailer-T, but also with Kate’s meltdown?
(Responding to Concern Fae, responding to Dee(2) at #13)
Again with the fairy tales of the “two brothers together” and again with the “Meghan is Yoko Ono”. These people are nothing if not nauseatingly consistent.
Wow, these rrs do know that Spare has been read by millions of people, right? They really, REALLY want to win over the US to their way of thinking. Good luck with that. They have the MAGAs because anyone who isn’t white will always get them on the rr’s and brf’s side. I suggest they be content with that.
I do have one question though. How could dim, mentally fragile Harry be a top advisor? That’s how they have described him for decades. I agree that Harry was supposed to be the brains behind the throne AND the scapegoat. Gosh, I wonder why Harry wouldn’t want that job.
Love this! +1000
So…. We are just going to ignore that the “Meghan made Kate cry” thing is a lie? That William and Harry being close is fan fiction? And that this “pecking order” thing is actually not normal, it’s incredibly f***Ed up?
Of course not. They will literally never stop.
Meghan never said she wanted to be star of the show. She is bright and articulate with a work ethic and William and Kate could not stand that.
I really wish Meghan would publish a memoir with a photo of the apology Kate wrote her after making her cry. I know all hell would break loose, and she couldn’t do it until Saint Kate recovers, but it would be a cleansing fire after reading this racist, revisionist B.S.
Harry was NEVER happy with his role in the BRF. He had wanted out of that smothering hellscape for a long time — preferring even combat to life amid the Windsors.
The difference is that Meghan married a man. She loved him and never expected the nastiness from ‘the Court’ and the servants. Kate married ‘the heir’. She never loved William (who would) just the status , the pomp and the deference. She’ll put up with anything to be Queen.
None of these sycophants can coordinate their comms/ attacks- it’s truly laughable to see them all spouting claims in multiple directions on any given day.
It shows how reactive, shrill and hysterical they are. The RR/rags doth protest too much.
Harry and Meghan said that the media was willing to lie to protect the other royals, but unwilling to tell the truth to protect Harry and Meghan. This is a perfect example of that. He is trying to rewrite what actually happened by claiming that it was Meghan who leaked the lie about herself that SHE was the one who made Kate cry, and depending on the version of the lie, also made Charlotte cry. He wants us to believe that Meghan leaked this lie and allowed it to be used against her for years, even during each of her pregnancies, one of which resulted in her having suicidal thoughts and the other resulting the death of a child. We know that the whole story that Meghan made Kate (and Charlotte) cry was a lie because ever since Meghan confirmed it was a lie, they backed off of using that lie as a means of attack. They tried once and when her friend confirmed that Meghan and her friends had receipts they quickly stopped with that narrative. Why would Meghan think that she would be the top dog in an institution that is based on birthright and the writings of a racist media? It is obvious that the media has as much say on who has top billing as birthright simply looking at how a mistress is now essentially the monarch during the Kings illness instead of the heir who should be taking over where the King is unable to, all while Camilla is being referred to as Queen. Harry and Meghan have made a point to say it was the public that was welcoming to their relationship and the public wasn’t responsible for them stepping down.
Regarding Harry and William’s closeness, that the lie that has existed for decades. William didn’t even want to be associated with Harry at Eton following their mother’s death. Harry found out about their engagement the exact same time the rest of us did and neither of them were really each others best men at their weddings. Everything with the royals is always for show.
LIAR.
“Charles is particularly close to Anne, but Anne isn’t some political advisor or anything like that.”
i have always believed that Anne was one of the few people who could and would tell him “exactly how it is?
I am also confident that KCIII never listened too or retained anything Princess Anne had to say.