Britney Spears is not doing well. She hasn’t been doing well for a while. It’s difficult to discuss, given that we don’t know Britney’s medical/mental condition right now. From the outside looking in, it feels like she’s currently in a “manic” state. She is the chaos, and chaos surrounds her. Britney is currently seeing Paul Soliz, a man with a lengthy rap sheet. Wednesday night, Britney and Soliz went to the Chateau Marmont to party. According to TMZ, there was some kind of disturbance, likely in the public area of the hotel, and Britney was possibly “harassing and threatening hotel employees.” Police were called to the scene and they saw nothing. Britney and Soliz then checked into a hotel room “where they continued partying and drinking. While they were in the room they ended up getting into a huge altercation that we’re told turned physical, according to sources, and Britney may have hurt her leg.” Here’s more from Page Six:
First responders responded to an incident involving Britney Spears at the Chateau Marmont in Los Angeles early Thursday morning, Page Six can confirm. Sources familiar with the pop star tell us the incident stemmed from a fight she had with her on-again, off-again boyfriend, Paul Richard Soliz, at the luxe hotel.
Los Angeles Fire Department spokesperson Brian Humphrey confirms to Page Six that an ambulance was called to the Chateau Marmont around 12:42 a.m. PT.
“We received a 911 call reporting an adult female, who had been injured,” the LAFD rep says. “The caller did not have much information regarding the nature of the injury. We sent one ambulance to the location.”
We’re told the emergency response vehicle was at the scene until 1:17 a.m. PT. Only the fire department responded to the call, and police were not on the scene. Humphrey adds, “It’s not clear from the reports” whether first responders “offered any treatment,” but notes that they “did not transport anyone to the hospital.”
A source also tells us Spears, who lives in nearby Thousand Oaks, Calif., left with security, adding that she is “home now and is safe.” A separate source close to Spears, 42, reaffirms, “She is home and fine.”
Photos obtained by Page Six show the “Piece of Me” singer holding a pillow while outside of the Chateau Marmont, with Soliz standing beside her wearing a blue flannel shirt, black jeans, a cap and sneakers. A first responder can also be seen in the images, holding a stretcher and leaving the scene, as Spears looks in the direction of the paparazzi cameras. She appeared to be surrounded by bodyguards.
Following the incident, sources tell Page Six exclusively that Spears’ friends are still very much concerned about her relationship with Soliz, with one pal saying, “He’s been bad news from the start.” Page Six broke the news in August 2023 that Spears was “getting close” with Soliz, her former housekeeper, but insiders also shared at the time that they were concerned given his criminal past. Court records we previously obtained showed he had been charged with multiple misdemeanors and even a felony, including possession of a firearm.
I wonder if Britney’s security was there the whole time, or if she and Soliz arrived at Marmont with zero security and then Britney called them when she was partying in the hotel room and things went sideways? It really sounds like her security swooped in and got her the hell out of there before there was an even bigger incident. Meanwhile, Britney posted this on her Instagram:
Yeah, as I said, it looks and sounds like an unmedicated manic state. Moving to Boston? Oh, that’s not good. Britney also wrote, in a second Instagram, that “I know my mom was involved !!! I haven’t talked to her in 6 months and she called right after it happened before the news being out !!! I was set up just like she did way back when!”
Britney Spears gets into fight with boyfriend Paul Richard Soliz at LA hotel, ambulance called: She’s ‘home now and is safe’ https://t.co/tagkIyhUx0 pic.twitter.com/tegbzEovPa
— Page Six (@PageSix) May 2, 2024
Photos courtesy of Britney’s Instagram.
This new boyfriend is a big red flag,and sadly its giving 2007/8 deja vu. I hope her lawyer who seems sincere can help her.
It’s beyond concerning that Soliz probably has firearms within easy reach which means Spears could find herself with access to a gun while she’s extremely emotionally labile.
Rosengart’s charged her $7million-plus since November 2021, when he started repping her.
Sam Ingham didn’t encourage her to pursue unwinnable cases (that had her being ordered to pay $2 million for her father’s legal costs) and he charged her a total of $3 million for the 13 years.
There’s a reason why under the c’ship she was not allowed to choose her own lawyer. Ingham was a court investigator for the conservatorship initially who was later appointed by the court to rep her.
She has a very serious mental health condition (probably Bipolar 1, which has extended manic phases) for which, by all accounts, she refuses to take meds for. Paranoia against those trying to help her is also a possibility.
The c’ship was not perfect and it’s horrible a grown woman is under control like that, but it was there for a reason. The state stepped in when she was 5150’d, when she started endangering herself and her sons (holding the younger one hostage and threatening to harm herself as well), back in 2008. Then it became a legal arrangement with court oversight, when her father stepped in.
I hope this is not a repeat of 2008 but looks like it. She needs her meds and no one seems able to encourage her to take them.
There is so much wrong with this. So much. I just can’t even…
The problem with the conservatorship was that instead of helping her get better it turned into a « hybrid business model » where she was forced to perform against her will and her well being was ignored just for her to keep earning as much money as possible.
Her well being was never a priority. I am a carer IRL and am very familiar with the type of medication she was on. I can tell you how exhausting her grueling work schedule must have been for her, while she was on that medication.
And it speaks wonders that for 13 years the cship didn’t even bother to find her a therapist she trusted and felt good with, even when it has been proven that it’s the key to successful treatment.
Snoozer, have nothing invested in this but interest in the truth, so it’s just the facts. Britney’s fan, supporters, and sympathisers perhaps need to recognise that (1) she most probably has a very severe lifelong mental illness and it’s not a matter of will, focus, or determination but willingness to accept long-term treatment; (2) even in the freest societies with the strongest individual rights, the law does step in and take away some of these rights when you’re at risk of self-harm and/or harm to others (holding her son hostage and threatening to harm self and son in 2008); and (3) the conservatorship was and still is necessary though maybe should have replaced her dad with someone else (Britney said she preferred Jodi Montgomery) after a while and been less restrictive on certain things – but not her meds as she had stablised.
Her “peak period” seemed to be with Jason Trawick; look up what he’s said about the conservatorship and her dad.
For now, someone get her away from that creepy money-grabbing stunt lawyer of hers and that ex-con boyfriend.
Do I think Britney need help ?
YES.
She is traumatised: her family has been treating her like a cashcow since she was a child, she has been abused during the conservatorship, as she clearly stated in her autobiography: she was declared unstable/ill but at the same time she was forced to go on tour, to perform night after night and this is a valid point. I would not be surprised to discover she has some kind of PTSD.
I am not sure about a bipolar disorder, but if I think about her 2008 mess she was a new mum of 2 small children in the middle of the custody battle, and all her struggles were made public: post partum depression under the paparazzi is beyond imagination.
This woman has never been independent, and she was deprived of all those experiences that make you grow up. Unfortunately it appears she is having them now.
I hope she will recover from this, and ask for help. But at the same time I think she will not be the first star to loose a fortune.
By my 40’s I didn’t call myself, a “girl”.
In fairness to Britney, she’s been in a state of arrested development since she was placed under the conservatorship, but probably far longer than that. I haven’t listened to her entire book, but what was serialized made it very clear that even prior to that, she was completely managed, on and off stage, with very little freedom, independance, or room to grow up. She was the family cash cow and she was controlled to keep her in that role, to the benefit of her family and to her own detriment.
Mentally, emotionally, “girl” is probably pretty accurate, seeing as what she’s been through. I feel so sorry for her, as well as being concerned for her. She’s ripe for being scammed and exploited- because that’s what her family did to her- they exploited her- and that’s all she knows.
I am reading the book right now, she has been infantilised all her life, and she admits that when people infantilised her she convinced herself that she was child, a baby, and started acting accordingly. I don’t know if this is a coping mechanism.
Now that she has freedom to me it’s possible that she doesn’t know how to behave. I think that she wants to enjoy life, but she doesn’t know how.
not me, I am on team Girl!
Why? Genuinely curious.
@caitlinsmom Thats because you were allowed to mature and progress in your life.
This isn’t going to end well. She’s a girl and on her period and bitchy? That’s peak 2000 edgy girl when she was on top and she’s never evolved. She needs help and after gaining freedom from her dad I’m afraid she won’t get any help.
This is hard to watch. I really and truly
hope that she gets the help she so obviously needs. I had a family member who was not on his medication for his final 6-8 months. It was a spiral… and well, it ended in the worst possible way. This whole thing with Britney just makes me sad.
It really goes to show just how much of a stabilizing force Sam really was for her.
Was Sam a stabilizing force? When Britney didn’t get pregnant, he bounced. He was a gold digger like all the rest.
I really dislike this talking point. We have no idea why he left. Dealing with mentally ill person who is not medicating themselves can be really brutal. Maybe that’s why he left.
I disagree. If Sam really wanted Brittney to give him a child he could have suggested surrogacy or even adopting in order to get child support and that way accomplish his gold-digging agenda. Brittney was in love with him so she most likely would have agreed to his ideas. Just to make clear, I like Brittney and I am not attacking her, but there is a point where she has to be a reasonable person. The path she seems to have chosen is not good for her and her loved ones.
Sam was cheating on Britney at one point with Morgan Osman?
He’s no catch. Seems like he had a motive to leech off of her too. Could it be that he stayed with her long enough to get a decent payout from prenup? And wasn’t he living apart from her after they had gotten married?
It is so very alarming. I just cannot escape this overwhelming feeling of dread in the knowledge that this will not end well. The woman needs help like yesterday.
I feel the same way. I really hope there is someone in her life who truly cares, and who she’ll listen to, because she does need help.
It really is, I am so afraid that this is going to end like Anna Nicole Smith.
Lucy- speaking from experience, once you’re manic, you’re beyond listening to people you trust. You have lost touch with reality in many ways. Once she comes down? Hopefully so. But for now, it’s a losing battle.
It’s very sad to see all of that unfolding and realizing that she has nobody in her life who seem willing to help her. She’s been exploited by most of the people close to her her whole life and now that she finally got away from her father it really feels like other people took his place right away to exploit her some more.
And even when she comes down – how does she know who to trust? If someone with genuinely good intentions said to her “hey, I have this therapist that I see, they have really helped me” or something similar – she would probably run for the hills. I can’t imagine the trauma and trust issues she is working through.
Part of her Conservator’s responsibility was to make sure Brittney took her medication. The first ‘free’ act she probably did was to stop taking her medication. There is no happy ending here.
Britney needs some help because things are not good. I know you can’t make someone get help if they don’t want it but Britney needs help. I hope for her sake she try’s to find a therapist she can trust and get herself together. She has been through a lot and I wish her well.
@Susan Collins … The sad truth is that no matter how good a therapist is, if a patient needs medication and refuses to take it, there isn’t anything the therapist can do to help.
She may be in therapy and on medication already; we don’t know. Sometimes it takes a while to find the right treatments. Sometimes they work until they just don’t anymore. It can take an episode like this to notice that what you’re doing is not working.
I don’t like to speculate about what her mental health conditions are, but we don’t need to speculate on a diagnosis to say she has been through a lot of trauma, and she doesn’t seem to be 100% on grip right now. It is not easy to treat any complicated mental health condition, and when you throw trauma on top of it, it’s a lot harder. I don’t want to assume she isn’t trying just because we, the public, aren’t seeing the results we want for her yet.
@Bad Janet she’s spoken pretty publicly against medication and therapy, so I very much doubt she’s doing either now that she’s not forced to.
I genuinely think she probably did need a conservatorship, but absolutely zero of the leeches in her family should have been a part of it. she’s deeply unwell, clearly, but she was also abused by her family (both during the conservatorship and during her rise to fame).
also I am guessing if this guy was her former housekeeper that this is the guy she cheated on Sam with? yikes all around.
I had a friend who has bi-polar. When she took the medication, she was amazing to be around; so supportive and motivational. When she felt like she didnt have to take it, she was toxic as hell, bouncing from one relationship to another, verbally abusing her friends, telling them how they should live their lives etc. I finally had to cut all ties. I noticed during a manic episode during the pandemic, she was grooming a girl in Italy half her age, then dumped her for another person after claiming she was moving there, rinse and repeat.
I can’t say I have paid that much attention, but if she is anti meds and anti therapy, I can understand why. This is why forcing it on people rarely works and often backfires.
If what you’re saying is how she really feels, I hope she can come back to it on her own terms, when it is an empowered choice for her.
Britney Spears will be 43 years old this year; her episodes began over 20 years ago. Each time, she blames everyone except for herself. Even her speech is childlike. She needs to grow up; compared with other entertainers born in 1981, she’s stuck in her late teens. Those, who are the same age: Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Duchess Meghan, Serena Williams, Justin Timberlake, Jennifer Hudson have all matured and have children in their custodies. It’s time for the media and “fans” to stop making excuses for Spears.
This is bad. I was rooting for her, and still am but clearly her situation has rapidly declined. It’s not the popular opinion but perhaps Sam and her dad offered some type of structure. I am worried for her future and I hope she gets help. PS drop that loser.
Exactly my thoughts. Is that loser the dude she cheated on Sam with? This is outrageous. Brittney better not shave her head again.
There is a vast chasm between “offering structure” and imprisoning someone so you can use them as forced labor for your own benefit.
If those close to her had actually tried to provide supporting structure during the years they stole her freedom and forced her to work non-stop, she might be in a healthier position than she is today.
Exactly her father didn’t provide any structure and deserves not one bit of credit. Part of the reason she refuses to get help now is cuz he used professionals against her. He used her mental state to get the judicial and medical system to abuse and traumatize her. And had to listen to people say her dad was actually helping her. It’s easy to say people who are in a manic state are paranoid but in this case it was true. She really had medical and legal professionals lie and take her freedom so they could control her money. Sure she needs professional help but can you blame her for denying it when the last time she dealt with medical professionals they put her on medicine and helped lock her up for her dad cuz she didn’t want to work anymore. How can she ever trust the medical or legal systems? She was betrayed and gaslight in one of the worst ways. Coming back from that is going to be extremely hard. Add how much her fame and money supercharged the abuse and got people to keep quiet to keep the gravy train moving. Add that she has been controlled and manipulated since childhood and it is sadly possible she may never fully heal from this. People hate having to deal with a victims sharp edges. She’s been suffering for literal decades it’s gonna take longer than a few years for her to get to a half way decent place esp since her trust in others esp professionals and experts is probably and rightfully non existent at this point.
@Susie your comment is Everything 🎯🎯 and now you a system that abused you is telling you to pay your abusive father to go the F*** away
Well of course she’s not doing well.
She’s been & is still being abused.
Her conservatorship & divorce were just finalized. That’s a lot no matter who you are.
She is still being abused by sites like tmz, who insist she needs another conservatorship.
People believe that because they believe the original conservatorship was justified. So they view her through that lens. It wasn’t. She didn’t need it. What she needed was help, not abuse.
So all the “acting out” is trauma from over a decade and f being drugged, trafficked, threatened, placed in a hospital against her will. She’s traumatized.
Of course she doesn’t trust anyone. Would you? Not even a doctor. She’s been used by every system that’s supposed to protect her.
You will excuse me but Brittney had years together with a stable decent man (who also happened to be younger and very handsome). Was she not happy with that arrangement? I do know she was badly abused by boyfriends, managers and her own dad but she had a long time to deal with it and recover.
You never “recover”.
Never.
What you do is learn ways to look through it, around it, under it. But it’s always there. You can only learn if you can trust, however. Of she can’t trust how can she even begin.
What helps is compassion & understanding of trauma.
If you don’t have even a beginner understanding of trauma, perhaps google will help before having an opinion.
Trauma, especially being drugged, abused, trafficked, like Britney was, will always be there.
They never recover fully but they can recover enough to take control of their lives. With treatment and a network of support addicts and mental health patients can lead a clean healthy life. I don’t believe anyone posting here is bashing Brittney, I am certainly NOT.
You’re awfully defensive for someone who is NOT doing something. It’s ok not to know or understand. It’s entirely another to wax poetic, as you’ve done here.
Never mind. I’ve read your posts on this thread. One thing I’ve learned is when to try & when to save my energy on worthy people.
@lolo she literally JUST finished a court case with her dad this week. Her situation is not fully over He is still trying to abuse her and lie and gaslight her. He destroyed her relationship with her kids. She went thru decades of abuse from that man with the conservators hip being only the worst. His use of the medical and legal professions to abuse and control her makes it near impossible for her to trust a therapist and get the help she needs. She’s not being paranoid or merely manic when she says they are out to get her cuz she literally lived mental health professionals medicating and institutionalizing her to control her money and body. She also doesn’t have the support system to help her get thru this cuz her entire family has betrayed her. Idk Sam. He seemed overwhelmed by her situation and I don’t blame him for that. Anyone including britney would be overwhelmed by her trauma. There is really no easy way to help her cuz of the type of abuse she experienced. It’s possible she never heals and becomes filled with sharp edges. That’s why this is such a tragedy. This is why abuse is so bad. It can destroy a person and prevent them from living a full and happy life. Nobody deserves what she went thru and nobody deserves to have people saying they aren’t getting over it fast enough.
@Kokiri Thankyou for your perspective. I agree with everything you say. Its unimaginable to me, what this must have done to her. I just hope there are persons out there that can give some guidance and a safe place to her while healing. I just wish her well, and that she will be able to overcome this inner dark place that leads her into self sabotage.
Society expects either of 2 things from trauma victims: reverting back to who they were before (problem solved) or taking meds so they can be what society wants (problem solved).
It’s why so many cling to any diagnoses: like bipolar. If she’s bipolar, there’s a clear path to either above mentioned outcomes.
Then everyone is fine & carries on & we don’t have to talk about it.
Either way, very little is actually understood about abuse & trauma. Therapists … want to fix you. So everyone is comfortable again.
But it’s not fixable. Learning to be who you are now, & accepting that (along with the grief that accompanies understanding the person you were is gone), is not easy & takes compassion & empathy, which society greatly lacks.
So we do what we can & are vilified for it. Poor Britney, she’s a global target.
@Kokiri I’m fully with you here. This is not “mental issues” or a “manic state”, it’s just abuse after abuse finally pouring out, through a person who likely doesn’t have the healthiest, safest, well-learned toolkit to deal with… *gestures broadly*
I’m always rooting for her, always.
as someone who paid a lot of attention to Britney prior to the conservatorship and watching it now… I don’t think you can actually judge that she didn’t need the conservatorship. she didn’t need her father in control of it, but the very alarming behavior that she’s displaying now is VERY reminiscent of pre-conservatorship Britney. she’s unwell.
it’s telling that she makes her sons so uncomfortable that they choose not to see her. she needs help, not enablers or abusers, and will likely not seek it.
@Arizona I agree. I know the conservatorship was abusive. Still, Britney was struggling prior to it and now after it. Like you said she needs help but likely will not seek it.
As someone who has my own mental health struggles from decades of abuse and neglect from my parents, and sought help, I also can say that dealing with my MIL who is very similar in terms of Britney’s behaviors is not a thing I do anymore. She is not allowed near my children and we are fully no contact. While I understand that she is unwell and I have compassion for her, for the well-being and safety of my family we have chosen to not have contact with her. You can accept and acknowledge a person for who they are and that they’ll likely not change but that doesn’t mean you have to be around them. This seems to be a choice Britney’s boys have also made at least for now.
So she just confirmed herself that she twisted her ankle, but didn’t call the ambulance. Probably someone in her entourage or another hotel guest called out of concern.
Britney has also claimed that it is a body double in the paparazzi photos taken that evening. She’s not exactly a reliable narrator.
The photos are beyond tragic. She’s wandering around in nothing but her falling off underwear, a blanket that’s not really covering anything, and holding a pillow to her chest. She looks a wreck and it’s all very familiar to 2007. She needs help and the people she’s surrounding herself with are not going to do anything but cause more harm.
“ She’s not exactly a reliable narrator.”
Yes, this. As we saw with the incident in Vegas with the basketball player where she said she was smacked to the ground, her version of events isn’t always accurate. No doubt the trauma and her feelings are real, but I think the structure that she felt was punitive was actually for her own safety. How did a felon get hired as staff in her home? With a proper team, he’d never have made it through the background check.
That’s how I found her entire book. She’s not a reliable narrator. Did her parents take advantage of her-yes. Is everything she claimed true? Doubtful. She’s been mentally ill for years. Did she need such a strict conservatorship? No-probably not. But she’s absolutely in free fall right now. And the people on here claiming she’s fine or it’s just from years of abuse are wrong.
This is complete insanity. She had a stable life with Sam who happened to be a very handsome decent man who helped her pulled through the toughest time of her life. What happened to Brittney? She better shape up or her dad is going to take her to court and declare her incompetent and a conservatorship will be reinstated. How can Brittney trade a nice marriage with Sam for this maniacal lifestyle?
She didn’t trade her life with Sam for this life. He was the one who had it and asked for divorce. She obviously expected him to put up with her antics; just like the previous leeching bfs did. I’m sure San was enjoying the perks; but he obviously cared, and she was the closest to happy and stable with him.
Holy ableism, Batman 🙄
“Insanity” and “maniacal”?! You have to know that those terms are loaded and deeply stigmatizing to people experiencing mental health challenges.
Sam was hired by Daddy Spears. Women who trained at Sam’s gym complained that he was always hitting on them. Some had to switch gyms entirely. The people with Britney’s best interests in mind were Ronan Farrow and the women saying she MUST get a prenup.
Sam specifically spoke out against Jamie Spears multiple times and they didn’t get married until after the conservatorship was over. don’t see why we’ve turned it around that he was actually just Jamie’s stooge.
Nobody here is saying Sam was Jamie’s stooge. It marked the beginning of a fiduciary arrangement that continued until the divorce. He stood to gain financially with Jamie’s ouster so it’s unsurprising for Sam to speak out against the conservatorship.
The whole thing is sad. Her being prey to another predator. Her not having family she can trust. Her internalization of everything that is “wrong” (“I have my period, so I am being a bitch”=I deserved the abuse). She needs help and maybe a less restrictive conservatorship (to make sure she gets treatment and medication).
Somehow I believe Brittney feels like she doesn’t deserve a nice happy life. She does.
I think it’s the set up Britney claims it is. We know she has bad taste in men and always has, that doesn’t mean she’s in a manic state. She can call herself whatever she likes, take whatever pictures she likes and say she wants to move where ever. This is a woman who has literally been held hostage for over a decade by those she should have been able to trust the most – she’s expressing her new found freedom and should be able to do so. I don’t believe the person calling EMTs had her best interest at heart – no information about the ‘injury’?? – what a fabulous way to get access to her, ensure headlines and make her seem ‘manic’. These stories make me fear for her safety, but not in the way most of you are. Keep your lawyer close, Britney.
Perhaps her mom has known she is in a manic episode and asked her security to keep her informed of any issues.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
If it’s not a manic state, it certainly looks like one. The videos she posts on her feed are bizarre, but it’s the ones she posts and immediately deletes that are truly unhinged.
First the “it was a setup by my MOM!!” post, followed immediately by the videos of her swollen ankle on the *filthy* carpet. Something seedy went down wherever she was.
The set up idea is not believable at all. The cops were called first because she was harassing guests and staff! Then she got hurt, and medical help was called. The videos and posts she makes are clearly showing an unwell state of mind, so this all lines up.
Are you actually looking at the pictures? She is disheveled, in underwear, bare foot. She said she got hurt. Just stop.
Exactly. She’s in a total breakdown state. It’s paranoia that she’s blaming everyone else.
This is most definitely NOT “expressing her new found freedom” and she should NOT “be able to do so”. She was harassing staff and guests at the Marmont, she got into a screaming fight with her trashy boyfriend. Unless you’ve been with someone going through a manic phase due to bipolar or other types of mental health disorders, you don’t get to wave a flag stating she’s normal and just doing what she was never allowed to do. It’s scary as hell because you simply have no idea what that person is going to do next — jump off a tall building? Attack someone on the street? Lug some dangerous person home in the middle of the night only to get raped and robbed? I’ve known people who have done all three things. The person who jumped off a tall building was the estranged wife of a good friend of mine, and committed suicide in front of her mother. Britney needs meds and mental health professionals ASAP, or this will not end well.
Truly this. It’s blindingly obvious who in these comments has seen someone manic and who has not.
Dealing with a person in the grip of mania is impossible and frustrating. They have a distorted perception of reality and often perceived those trying to help them as their antagonists. At least, that has been my experience.
My mother had a caring husband and daughters but we could do nothing until things got bad enough for her to be committed when she had worst manic episodes. It is painful, heartbreaking and frustrating.
So sad. And neither our mental health or legal systems are set up to deal with it in a way that maintains people’s dignity. I’ve known too many friends and coworkers who’ve had to deal with family members in similar situations.
It’s just a sad situation and if she did call her security when things went sideways that shows some level of sense on her part – as for this guy, he has leech looking for a payday written all over him. And given her mother called before it hit the news tracks that her family are paying paps and/or staff to pass info onto them. Remember Lynne and Sam Lutfi were in constant contact during the time he was in her life.
I hope that she is getting the right kind of help before this become tragic – what she needs is the right kind of people and treatment plan around her, not someone who’s going to feed the issues for their own agenda. She doesn’t need a conservatorship she never did.
I don’t think there are many people that don’t understand and empathize with how she got here. But insinuating that this is just par for the course and to be expected given her past minimizes the very real fact that she is *unequivocally* deep in the throes of mental illness. Many Disney kids were subject to similar exploitation; the same level of abuse and manipulation but we’re not watching them implode in real time.
The comments that claim that she’s fine, this is just a TMZ set up etc etc…my GOD guys stop with the gaslighting. We know what we are seeing with our own damn eyes and all the conspiracy theories in the world can’t change that.
Brit is in a very dangerous and vulnerable place with her illness. Pretending that she’s not does not help her one bit, it just enables her to continue this destructive pattern without getting the assistance she desperately needs.
All of this.
So well said, Kitten. I agree 100%.
Exactly.
Thank you for being the voice of reason.
Absolutely 💯
You can look at Jenette Mccurdy as an example of someone who endured serious childhood trauma and battled her demons another way.
Justin Beiber is definitely one going through it too. I think his mental health issues are more serious than we’re let to believe but he has a much better team
Thanks, Kitten. I had no clue about mental illness and probably had some vague notion that it’s just a matter of your will and focus before I read about it.
It seems most people are like I was. Unless you have a family member or friend (witnessed it firsthand) or read up about it, you’re unlikely to understand that it’s just like a physical disease with real parameters that you can measure and diagnose (by a psychiatrist) and real symptoms that are at their worst extremely disruptive. (Again, that’s why there are provisions for the state to step in and remove legal agency from people – because they’re harmful to themselves and/or to others at that stage.)
Yes, the idea that she would bounce back and be okay after everything is so unrealistic. Unfortunately this is also what being empowered to make your own choices looks like, especially for people with serious trauma and mental health issues and no family support.
She’s not going to make choices we agree with, it’s going to get dangerous and messy, and she has to choose for herself to seek out help. And even if she does… she will still go through less healthy phases.
Choosing treatment and taking accountability for herself is what she needs. Not another conservator ship, yikes.
It is really interesting to me how few people here can just admit a mentally ill person is experiencing a mental health episode. Those of us with bipolar people in our lives recognize a manic episode instantly.
Yes the conservatorship was awful, but that doesn’t mean she is not mentally ill.
Very much this. Two things true at once.
I agree. I think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.
Amen.
💯 Sadly this just looks like a manic state. She may have self medicated by adding additional drugs with the trashy bf, or maybe it’s just a manic state.
Agree with you, GoodWitchGlenda. Most of us who have not witnessed mental illlness firsthand may assume it’s just a matter of focus, will, and discipline on Britney’s part. Mental illness is a real condition – I get that now – and I’m guessing one of the reasons why more of us fail to grasp that is because there’s still a social stigma against it.
I feel sad for her, she appears so unstable. I don’t think she has a single person in her life who truly cares about her wellbeing.
I think it’s possible that there are people who truly care, but perhaps she sees the things that will make her well as restrictions and punishments. She perhaps sees the people who don’t care about her, those that support dangerous behavior, as the ones who care for her because they support her doing whatever she wants, no matter how dangerous it is.
I think the trauma can be real. The feelings are genuine and legitimate. But perhaps the situation isn’t always as she understands it to be.
ITA, I have a family member with some mental health struggles and they reached a point of attempting to harm themself with a weapon, so someone there called 911. Now the person who called 911 and those in the family that agree with their decision are persona non gratis to the one who was self harming because they “betrayed” by calling police who took the self harming person to a mental hospital where they were committed for a week. So you try to prevent the person not harm themself and in return they view you as bad guy.
Chaine, you just described exactly what happened to Britney in 2008 and what sparked of her conservatorship. She refused to hand over the younger son when it was Kevin’s turn under their custody agreement and barricaded herself, threatening to harm herself and her son. That’s when she was 5150 sectioned – that’s when the state stepped in and she started losing her legal agency – because she has this very serious mental illness. The 5150 was extended twice IMSMR while they decided how to take care of her, including with input from psychiatrists. Then the conservatorship was placed on her with court oversight.
It’s never a perfect situation when someone loses their agency like that but there are so many layers of review that I don’t know why people are still saying she was 100% exploited and the court in on it. There are mental health professionals, independent investigators, people from government agencies, and the court of course, plus her court-appointed advocates.
The dad 100% gave some perks to his niece and nephew (sold property owned by her estate at a loss to Britney / made it much cheaper for them) and may have awarded lucrative contracts to his friends. But his pay was standard for a CA conservatorship of this complexity and all approved by the court, just as her spending limits were always reviewed by the court. Plus, I think she was encouraged to perform and tour to keep her to a routine as well, esp with the Vegas residencies which are super low stress – and there was a stage when she still loved to perform.
And her current lawyer is 100% overcharging her.
To me, this episode calls into question whether she was competent to agree to settle the cases with her dad and her ex-husband. I hope her attorney ensured she was able to consent to those terms.
That is a great point!
Someone is very likely not functionally competent when they’re in a manic state, but whether or not they’re legally competent is an entirely different issue.
There are some case precedents where a bipolar person’s actions aren’t considered legally binding, but that’s by no means a hard and fast rule. It is very situation dependent.
She owes her attorneys $4 million dollars. I sure hope she is competent to settle, otherwise they will take another few million from her.
Rosengart seems to be all PR and image. Who would agree to settle with such horrible terms (paying $2 million to Jamie Spears) if they had a real chance?
He’s got her eating out of his hands (she posts stuff like “He’s like a father to me” on IG and has paid him in excess of $7 million since he started repping her in November 2021). If there’d been a chance of avoiding that costs order to Spears Snr’s lawyers, he’d have easily convinced her not to settle and go ahead with that aspect (just one element of the whole trial that’s still scheduled to go ahead later this month) of the trial.
This Rosegart is most probably fleecing Britney. $7 million, plus the $2 million payable to Spears Snr’s lawyers, is more than 10% of her reported fortune. I hope Britney won’t end up broke.
I just feel for her so much. Her trust has been broken over & over, so how can she seek help? Just praying for things to get better for her and for her to get the happy life she deserves.
She’s in real danger. I’m really over her stans pushing the narrative that she’s just acting out now instead of seeing this woman is in a serious mental health crisis. I’m going to look away, I fear that this is going to end badly.
I agree. And the stans will have her blood on their hands. It’s tragic that the people who claim to love her the most are actually proving they only love what she represents to them,
The out of control screaming crying sounds so much like a person in my life with BPD borderline personality. It’s just what it is, they don’t need a conservation ship or whatever that’s called but this is just going to be their life. Sucks. And I’m with Britney on being suspect of her mom who called before it hit tmz. Someone in her orbit has contact with the mom and she’s a user from what I know. I don’t believe the parents actually care for her.
“I’m with Britney on being suspect of her mom who called before it hit tmz. Someone in her orbit has contact with the mom and she’s a user from what I know.”
Or MAYBE a mom would be concerned to know that her daughter had the cops called on her and the paramedics within a span of a few hours. Maybe someone on her team is concerned for Britney, and they told her mom, who was also concerned and called her daughter?
There is never a shortage of people who will try to take advantage of someone who is wealthy but going through something and lacking in support from people who really care.
She will continue to spiral out of control and then the court will get involved and hopefully she gets put into some type of medically controlled program and gets the help she needs because I don’t see her family stepping in to help her. She has bad mouthed all of them. The family eventually just gets tired of dealing with it!
I have no idea what is going on and she is throwing out some warning signs for sure, but the people around her can be so shady, I honestly WOULDN’T be surprised if one of her parents used EMS in a malicious way to make her look worse than she actually is. I could definitely see them hoping she would get put on a psych hold, and then after EMS evaluated her, they said she is not in danger to herself or others and is free to go.
Unfortunately, this is a tactic I have seen manipulative/narcissistic parents use against their adult children – welfare checks. It doesn’t seem like Britney is doing great, but I don’t think her rant about her mom is necessarily delusional. Of course no one is going to believe it, because they don’t find Britney credible (and she doesn’t explain herself all that well when she says things like the EMS visit being “illegal”). It makes it all the easier to continue to abuse her. I’m not saying this is for sure what happened, but I’m not ready to totally write off Britney’s version of events, either.
The take-away IMO is what she repeatedly says in her post. “I need….”
This is her biggest struggle. And her tradgedy. She is probably going thru a mental health crisis that is making her paranoid AND her family probably is out to get her. She doesn’t trust the legal system cuz it helped her father take her legal rights away while forcing her to perform. Her money was used to abuse and control her. She doesn’t trust the medical system cuz they used medication institutions to control her when she didn’t want to do things. She doesn’t trust her family cuz they were the perpetrators of her worst abuse and used her like an atm. A few years ago everyone said this was all conspiracies and paranoia except it was all true. Unfortunately what’s she’s saying now may also be true but it’s also clearly mental health problem. Her years of abuse has given her years of fact to back up her claims while also making her mental health issues worse cuz now she doesn’t trust anybody AND it was never properly and genuinely treated. Any treatment she got wasn’t to help her it was to control her. In fact a healthy Britney was dangerous so they sabotaged her and over medicated her. It’s just sad all around.
I hate to say this but her tweets/posts remind me of Amanda Bynes when she was in full free fall, very erratic and random. Amanda was going through a breakdown and was finally committed after she started a small fire in a stranger’s front yard. Her conservatorship was terminated too a few years ago but she has since been hospitalized for mental health reasons since it ended.
Britney needs help, that is clear. However due to her past experiences with the conservatorship and everything in her life being controlled, she most likely won’t seek it because she doesn’t want to go back to that place. And she can’t step back and see that’s exactly where she’s headed if she doesn’t get her mental health under control. Then she’ll be forcibly committed and the whole cycle will start all over again and the Free Britney movement will all have been for nothing. I was worried when the conservatorship was terminated she would end up back here though I was cautiously optimistic. To go from having no control to access to everything overnight was always going to be a huge life adjustment. I truly think Sam loved and cared for her but he quickly realized being her husband was also being a full time caregiver. And given the age gap, he didn’t want to spend his best years having to manage his spouse’s complex mental health issues. Britney simply can’t be left to her own devices, I think that’s pretty clear. She needs a guiding force in her life but to find someone who won’t take advantage of her and willing to do the job? Not sure that person exists sadly. We know she can’t count on her own family.
she didn’t just light a small fire – she lit her dog on fire.
people now claim that she didn’t need a conservatorship either and she’s doing great now that she’s free. I’ve seen her dead-eyed TikTok videos – she’s not doing well either.
Wow I didn’t know that part of the story! It seems she accidentally spilled gasoline on her dog while she started the fire. She didn’t actually light her dog on fire and she tried to run into a nearby liquor store to wash him off. Still a horrifying incident all around.
@VilleRose- “It seems?” So you actually weren’t there nor have any clue what her actual intentions were? Nor, it seems, do you have much experience with mental health breaks. Please sit down and stop stanning. You are as much a part of the issue as the Britney stans are.
@MoonTheLeon: not sure what you are referring to. I am not a Britney stan and never have been. I was referring to AMANDA BYNES in the dog incident, not Britney. Amanda DID set a fire in a stranger’s front yard and her dog was involved in the incident. This is all verifiable and it is the incident that got Amanda Bynes committed and what got her into a conservatorship. Take a seat.
A lot of comments here show why abusers like to go after people
With mental health issues. And why her father is still trying to claim with a straight face that all he wanted to do was help her. Britney was horrifically abused and she has mental health issues. Both things supercharged the other which is making it difficult for her to actually get help. Add that for much of her life she wasn’t being paranoid and her own family were using the legal and medical systems to further abuse and control her. How can you tell Britney that she’s being paranoid when she claims that a doctor is out to get her? Esp when it was mental health professionals that used medical treatments and institutionalization as a method of control and abuse. How do you tell her the police are only here to help when it was the legal system that allowed her to work at a Vegas residency while saying she was too incapacitated to have control over her person and money? And constantly and legally approved of her fathers actions. When lawyers being paid with her money were actively hiding info that would have let her out of the conservatorship. She is probably having severe and scary mental health issues but the circumstances of her abuse for over a DECADE (not just the conservatorship) also make many of her worries completely valid and understandable. This is why what happened to her was so cruel and insidious. She knows for a fact that everyone that surrounded her was using and abusing her cuz of her money. Who can she possibly trust after her experiences? Esp since it was her own family that started the betrayal. Even her kids who have had a rough situation and whom I don’t blame at all probably only see her as an atm cuz they have never been allowed to experience her as a person. They were used as a tool to control her thru no fault of their own. She needs help but she has been so abused she may never trust enough to get it. That’s the tragedy of Britney’s life
I mean, if my mom while I was TODDLER, witheld me from my dad, i locked herself in the bathroom with me as a hostage and threatend to hurt me and herself-and never, ever expressed remorse or any kind of resonsibility…..I am not really sure I would believe she has my best interests at heart.
And let’s not get into mjltiple witnesses in her custody case stating the kids were severely neglected: hungry, with overflowing diapers while she was “taking illegal substances”.
It’s just fascinating to me how we put so much worth on children and children protection and their mental health, unless it’s celebrities having children-then it’s totally ok to badmouth their children in orećder to protect the celebrity image. And that is what’s happening here.
Prior to conservation, Britney was a bad and negligent parent*. and by all accounts, she never overcame that and it’s not on her children to change that, forgive her or think any better of her than what THEY, who are the biggest victims of her whole situation, feel.
*My god, no one remembers her absolutely UNHINGED driving around with the younger one in her lap?? Come on, prior to conservation she was high as a kite and it was really obvious. People like to compare her to Amanda Bynes, but Bynes readily admited that her psych. Break was caused pr that a huge factor was her subtance abuse. Britney just shifts the blame constantly from one to the other, never any on herself.
And I am saying that as a person with significant mental illness. Just because you’re soc that doesn’t give you the excuse to be an asshole. All of us have to grow up sometimes and take the accountability for what we can.
“My god, no one remembers her absolutely UNHINGED driving around with the younger one in her lap?”
Yes, I remember that and also remember how she said, “I’m country” and was very defensive and wouldn’t admit she’d endangered her son to the interviewer who asked her about it.
I think it’s very likely that it was Chateau Marmont that called the paramedics because the situation was completely out of control. They are used to seeing hard partying and turning a blind eye but I think they were honestly worried about her safety as well as the safety of other guests and staff.
This. The Chateau is notorious for being party central in Hollywood and are known for their “discretion.” Something like this looks horrible for their already not wholesome reputation. There was enough liability in this situation for someone to decide that it was worth calling in EMT AND law enforcement.
Honestly, my heart hurts for her. She’s a deeply mentally ill woman who absolutely needs conservator care, but she’s wealthy enough that everybody abused their power over her for it and ruined the concept for her. It’s just so unfair at the end of the day.