I didn’t get into this history on a previous Brad Pitt story – the Us Weekly cover story, which is mostly pro-Pitt propaganda – but let’s take some time to really go through it. In 2021, a private judge, Judge Ouderkirk, ruled in Brad Pitt’s favor on the child custody issue. Ouderkirk said that Pitt should have more custody of the younger kids and the ruling was almost entirely in Pitt’s favor alone. Angelina Jolie quickly pointed out that Ouderkirk failed to disclose his extensive business ties with Pitt’s lawyers and Ouderkirk also failed to recuse himself. Angelina appealed Ouderkirk’s ruling to the California Supreme Court, and they quickly overturned Ouderkirk’s whole ruling and cited Ouderkirk’s unethical behavior in failing to disclose his business relationship with Pitt’s lawyer, not to mention his failure to recuse.
One of the most telling parts of Ouderkirk’s unethical behavior was when he refused to allow the kids to testify on their own behalf about custody and how they really feel about Brad. At least three of the kids wanted to testify and Ouderkirk would not allow it, because Pitt’s lawyers asked the judge to shut it down. Now that Shiloh is removing “Pitt” from her legal name, the 2021 Ouderkirk situation is being brought up. Apparently, Shiloh was one of the kids who wanted to testify, and now that is being cited as one of the reasons why Shiloh doesn’t want anything to do with Brad. From the Daily Mail’s exclusive:
Brad Pitt’s daughter Shiloh waited four years to drop her father’s name — after a disagreement during a custody battle when she was only 14. Shiloh Jolie-Pitt, whose mother is Angelina Jolie, filed paperwork to drop the Pitt name on Monday May 30, three days after she turned 18 — the earliest point at which she could do so. A source close to the proceedings told me the move was ‘connected to the (alleged) abuse history’ by her father and also to ‘the violation of Shiloh’s victim’s rights’.
I am told that she blames her father for the legal moves which meant she did not get to testify about her wishes, regarding custody. She also did not get to speak about what happened on that fateful flight in 2016, which led to the end of her parents’ marriage — although she wanted to.
Under the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, federal crime victims have rights including: ‘The right not to be excluded from any such public court proceeding, unless the court, after receiving clear and convincing evidence, determines that testimony by the victim would be materially altered if the victim heard other testimony at that proceeding.’
The question of custody arrangements for the six Jolie-Pitt children — Pax, Maddox, Zahara, Shiloh, Knox and Vivienne — was decided during six months of hearings behind closed doors between December 2020 and May 2021. Jolie petitioned to have the children testify, but was unsuccessful. Judge John Oudekirk ruled that custody should be 50-50 and declined to hear evidence from the children, who had already undergone therapeutic evaluation, which was reported to the court. The judgement was set aside later in 2021, after Jolie appealed on the grounds that the judge had a commercial link to one of Pitt’s attorneys.
A source says: ‘The name change goes back to the custody battle, and Shiloh’s belief that her rights as a victim were violated. Shiloh believed she had the right, as a victim of crime, to testify — and was prevented from doing so.’
I’m told that there are no plans for her to pursue any further legal actions relating to her father. It’s not known whether younger siblings Knox and Vivienne might follow in her footsteps when they reach 18 in July 2026.
There were suggestions in supermarket magazines last month that Shiloh was planning to move in with her father as soon as she could. Other stories suggested that movie star Pitt was ‘hopeful’ of reconciling with his daughter, now that she is an adult. However in truth there seems zero prospect of this — or a rapprochement with any of the children, following the notorious mid-air confrontation.
While Shiloh has repeatedly walked red carpets with Jolie, neither she nor her siblings have done the same for Pitt. ‘This is the result of textbook parental alienation, and it is a great sadness in his life,’ I was told. ‘There have been years and years of (Angelina) telling and retelling the same lies (about Brad), and the reality is that she has alienated the kids, and the reality is that it is upsetting to Brad. He cares about all of them. It is devastating.’
It’s interesting and bizarre that this one particular thing is seemingly being relitigated by Brad’s people – “Shiloh’s still mad that Brad didn’t want her to testify against him, so he asked an unethical, compromised judge to stop her.” Meanwhile, they’re all sort of glossing over the reason WHY Shiloh wanted to testify in the first place – because she clearly wants nothing to do with Brad, and she and her siblings were victims of a violent crime on that plane in 2016. I believe Shiloh wanted her day in court, and she wanted to put some stuff on the court record about what Brad did to her, her mother and her siblings. This isn’t “Angelina brainwashed the kids,” this is “the kids hate Brad for everything he’s done to them for eight f–king years.”
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I think it sounds like Pitt and his team are trying to spin it as “Shiloh was going to testify against Jolie and in favour of him but he’s too gracious to let his child denigrate their mother” so that he can once again try to play the victim in this story.
It’s like he thought the kids wouldn’t ever see the legal abuse and pr abuse. And her thought they’d maintain a dignified silence about it like Angie has. Shiloh is looking like she’s over it and he’s going to poke the bear enough that she will do an interview that will blow his image up. Is one thing to bury an fbi report with redacted names, it’s another for the child who resembles you to give an on camera interview about what happened. I don’t know if that’s happening, but he’s playing with fire and is too dumb to see it.
Right? He seems to think his children would never turn on him. thing is, he turned on them so expecting them to show him more than the loyalty that he never bothered to show them is pretty narcissistic.
I welcome the day they can all speak their minds and clear their names.
I think we’ll get that interview in 2026 when all the are 18 and over, adults. If she did it now there is risk about him taking legal action about how it affected the minors.
“ Under the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, federal crime victims have rights …”
Was she a witness or a victim ?
When it comes to DV, I think that even those who are just present are victims, especially minors.
Thank you for understanding what I meant, Equality. It’s hairy and miserable either way.👍❤️🩹
Maybe she wasn’t just a witness, we don’t know which child he strangled
@crogirl I agree, and no one knows how long this has been happening. The flight staff reported the one on the plane. There’s no telling what house of horrors they lived through while at home.
The way AJ filed for divorce was that quickly meant to me that he had started to abuse the children. I know he attacks AJ, but I still think he’s not over her because every article involves something about her, but she carries on and never mentions him. Bet that pisses make him angry that he’s an afterthought.
I especially count on Pax’ 2020 post about BP terrorizing his 4 younger siblings. That would include the twins, Zahara and Shi.
In his post, Pax called his adoptive father ‘a world class a**hole’ adding: ‘You time and time and again prove yourself to be a terrible and despicable person …”
‘You have no consideration or empathy toward your four youngest children who tremble in fear when in your presence.”
‘You will never understand the damage you have done to my family because you’re incapable of doing so.’
Shiloh was 10 when the airplane incident happened. Even as a witness this is traumatic.
Brad has had 8 yrs to make amends with those kids. Instead he chose court and media leaks.
Potentially both. Initially, we were told he only put hands on Maddox but now it looks like he attacked multiple kids and we don’t know who.
Brad Pitt needs to just stop, his adult children are not under any sort of nda. One or all of these kids are eventually going to call him out and I have a feeling when they do it will be in spectacular fashion and it will be indisputable.
Especially since a few of them actually work on public projects with their mother…it’s a countdown.
I am positive she saw those countless about their fake relationship (she’s moving in, she doesn’t get her why her POC siblings aren’t running to their father!) and took matters into her own hands. He needs to stop bothering her before she speaks out
Here we go again with the “parental alienation” BS. We all know that there was one defining incident—likely the culmination of MANY prior incidents–on that plane that was the final straw. THAT was the pivotal event that Pitt was never coming back from. He became irredeemable to Angie and the kids at that point. So did the alleged parental alienation start before or after Shiloh, at the tender age of 14, was so distraught about her father’s behavior that she was ready to take the stand to tell all. She WANTED to testify–that was not Angie’s idea.
Like, no kid can be coerced into doing that–she wanted to on her own volition because even as a young teen, she was already sick of her dad’s shit. Shiloh willfully severed that relationship–no parental alienation needed.
“parental alienation” followed closely by “he cares deeply about his children.” My mother pulls that line to this day! “I love you” soooo you’re not allowed to hold anything against me. I don’t have to respect what you want out of this relationship and you have to put up with everything because “I love you.”
It’s like their brains are slightly broken. It’s not enough to just have positive feelings towards a family member. That doesn’t entitle you to a relationship. You actually have to behave and show respect for what other people want in order for them to want a relationship with you – amazing but true.
Ugh I’m sorry to say this but your mother sounds like a narcissist just like Pitt.
Ummm…. This is the mail. May 2021-may 2024 is three years. Also, we know she filed on May 27, her birthday not three days later.
Anywho, we saw the reports. He choked one of his kids. That’s alienating enough, AJ did not need to do anything for them not to f with him anymore.
Right?!! They all keep glossing over the alleged choking. Even if law enforcement did not press charges, and I still don’t understand why no charges happened, witnessing your dad lay hands on a sibling in a way that even appears like choking would be deeply traumatic.
How can you not understand how charges weren’t filed!? It’s Brad Pitt, he has people to take care of that kind of stuff, like most super rich people. That’s how the world works
he was drunk so you know, nothing counts. After all, *he* probably doesn’t remember what he did with all that much clarity. So how dare his children hold it against him? It MUST be Angelina’s fault!
BP’s gonna sing that parental alienation song until he’s blue in the face but it just doesn’t hold up. He is the sole reason his kids don’t want to see him.
My mother used to say that there is an old Spanish saying: “justice grinds exceedingly slow, but it grinds exceedingly fine.” Something like that. I am glad to see the truth coming out. I’m interested to know what sobriety program, that I thought he was doing, does not advocate taking responsibility and making amends. What steps is he working? His actions don’t lead to sobriety of mind, spirit and body. He may be sober physically, but he is just a dry drunk. Not sober at all.
Unpopular opinion: the fact is that children will often side with the parent with whom they spend the most time. In this case, it’s Angie. Kids do see the wrong that their parents have done and he clearly abused them on that plane in an alcoholic rage. However, if he had spent equal time with the children, he most likely would have been able to redeem himself in their eyes. He stopped drinking and allegedly got therapy. If they weren’t rich (eg able to cut him out completely from their lives), they would’ve figured out how to have a relationship with their father. However, his money and career allows him to keep obfuscating the abuse. Coming out and saying what he did and saying he is genuinely sorry for how it impacted Angie and the kids would go a long way towards “maybe” creating a new relationship with his adult kids.
Let’s get it right, children who witnessed their parents/siblings being abused usually don’t favor their abusive parents.
He had supervised visitation with the kids for years, and he never stopped drinking there’s photos of him drinking, and He never completed therapy or his anger management programs court documents prove all that.
Money isn’t the reason why he doesn’t have a relationship with his kids. If you paid attention to many victims of child abuse or children who have witnessed parent being abused, you know that they go no contact with those parents or have very little contact with them. The average abusers use family, friends, social media, money and the courts to continue to abuse their wives and kids .
But he’s not behaving like someone who has gotten therapy and is quietly working on becoming a more present father. He continues to weaponize those kids as a means of punishing Angie and his team is still fighting and smearing Angie in the press.
Look, parental alienation is typically one parent manipulating a child by using false information or lies about the other parent. We can’t in good faith say that all things are equal and Brad has never given these kids a good reason to dislike him. We KNOW that’s not true. Shiloh had ZERO say in the custody agreement and it seems that she didn’t like the 50-50 arrangement that the corrupt judge originally imposed. These kids are making their feelings about their father VERY known and I don’t believe that is Angie filling their heads with lies. They experienced some terrible shit with Pitt as their father and they are likely just protecting their own peace by cutting him out of their lives. We have no reason to believe otherwise.
Mimi, Angelina Jolie was abused by him before the plane incident. The FBI report of that incident is horrific! Then BP fought charges successfully. Angelina’s first lawyer, Laura Wasser, was working against her and leaking to BP. She had to get a loan (he asked interest) from BP to pay for a place near his. He ran advertisements for Miravel wine which Angelina then accused him of looking drunk like how he used to be when they were a family. He’s seen his kids court-ordered regularly. He’s been trying to rehab his public image, but he hasn’t been treating Angelina and often because of this, his kids right.
Parental alienation seems to be what you’re describing, but if this guy has abused at least some of his kids, he forgets his eldest daughter is Zahara and not Shiloh, he continues to financially abuse Angelina…I think the kids aren’t being alienated as much as making the best choice for their personal health.
It is not on children to “figure out how to have a relationship with their father.” Period. It is NOT on them. The responsibility is the adult’s. Especially in the wake of a violent incident by the parent. I am shocked and disturbed.
Hard agree, Elizabeth.
Like I said in the other post Pitt and his team are spiraling not only did Shiloh publicly regret him and basically calling those “she moving in with him stories BS” His PR team comments about Pitt always wanting a daughter, referring to Shiloh even though Zahara was his daughter legally for over a year before Shiloh did not go down well with the public.
He and his team are desperately trying to get back in the public favor, making him a victim of evil Angelina. To the point where he’s blaming the other kids, contradicting his comments in the same article, and showing how toxic he is. It also shows how he favors one child over his other 5 kids.
Brad’s team throws around ‘alienation’ like candy but it’s the wrong description for what is going on. Children can be estranged from a parent or alienated from a parent. It’s alienation when a child rejects a parent without a rational reason (e.g. I hate my dad because he likes cats); it’s estrangement when a child rejects a parent with some rational basis for doing so. The Jolie kids are clearly estranged from their dad and they have a rational basis for that. Maybe if Brad actually acknowledged the harm he caused, he’d have a chance of a relationship with his children. But it’s easier for the s*it parent to blame the poor relationship on alienation by the other parent.
“Parental alienation” is a bullshit way for abusive parents (usually fathers) to paint themselves as not abusive. Usually upper middle class to rich people use it because it involves LOTS of legal bills, shrink bills, court fees, etc. Judges haven’t seem to caught on that’s it’s BS.
https://www.propublica.org/article/parental-alienation-and-its-use-in-family-court
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Clearly, the kids were alienated from their father by a parent. The father himself.
EXACTLY!!
I think divorce is ugly and there are 2 sides to each story, and then the one in the middle. This is all speculation by a lot of people who are not involved, but interested. Maybe the family should just stop putting all this stuff out there and get some family therapy. Whatever happens, its sad that a family that seemed happy once seems very fractured. I hope the kids are getting support from a neutral source.
Your comment reads.
I don’t pay attention to this story or read court documents and I’m more pro Pitt so I’ll put blame on the victim, when only one person is dragging this in the media ( Pitt ), but I’ll continue to show I’m pro Pitt by using words like “neutral source”.
F.Y.I The kids witnessed the abuse Jennifer and were victims of it. Just admit you don’t really care about the kids.
@Erica great points and exactly right. I have seen that on here multiple times by that same person.
“Maybe the family should just stop putting all this stuff out there and get some family therapy”
Up until very recently, only his camp has been putting up sources in the tabloids and smearing of his ex-wife. At some point, you got fight back though.
It is not in the best interests of a child for them to be forced to be around an abuser.
You know, “putting your dirty laundry on air” was something that my abusive father often said to silence us.
We’re speaking about a kid here, I’m appalled people are advocating for his kids to “shut up and go to therapy”.
They’ve a right to tell their story.
This is a good example of why adoption agencies should vet celebrity couples better. Both parents need to be willing to prioritize and Love all their children equally.
JustJan, one parent has the right to adopt. Angelina did adopt by herself. Later, Brad joined in. Angelina has done an excellent job of protecting and raising her kids.
My heart goes out to the Jolie kids.
Parental alienation isn’t a thing. It was made up in the 80s to justify not giving mothers full custody in divorce cases. Any time anyone mentions it, that’s a huge red flag. Good for Shiloh.