Vanity Fair released this new cover of Donald Trump on Wednesday, hours after he officially won (or “won”) the election. He looks half-dead and decrepit, like he’s rotting from the inside (just like America). Which reminds me of something I noticed during the election cycle – Trump was not being photographed as much this year, and photo agencies were not buying most Trump photos. I took it as a signal that no one wanted to see his ugly face at this point, but maybe it was all part of the larger image-management of the Trump campaign. It worked – a weak, enfeebled, demented 78-year-old man won because his “brand” is “strong, tough.” Speaking of, the first item on the Trump agenda is mass deportation.
Donald Trump has called immigrants “animals,” “monsters,” and “murderers,” and said they are “poisoning the blood of our country.” He falsely claimed they are responsible for a “surge in crime,” because “it’s in their genes,” and claimed they’re “eating the pets.”
Trump, now the president-elect, reportedly plans to conduct a massive deportation operation of undocumented immigrants on his first day in office.
“The American people delivered a resounding victory for President Trump, and it gives him a mandate to govern as he campaigned, to deliver on the promises that he made,” Karoline Leavitt, Trump’s national press secretary, told Fox News Wednesday, Newsweek reports. “Which include, on Day 1, launching the largest mass deportation operation of illegal immigrants that Kamala Harris has allowed into this country.”
Axios reports Leavitt says that “mass deportation operation” includes “millions of undocumented immigrants.”
Back in September, Trump infamously attacked President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and immigrants.
I remember when he started deporting people in 2017 and putting babies in cages throughout his first term. I remember one Hispanic woman, a Trump supporter, crying because her husband was deported and she never thought the leopards would eat her face. Seven/eight years later, Trump managed to make significant inroads in the Latino vote in this election. Clearly, this is what the people want.
Photos courtesy of Cover Images, cover courtesy of Time.
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- Former United States President Donald J Trump, the 2024 Republican Party nominee for President of the US, makes remarks to the National Faith Advisory Summit at the Worship With Wonders Church Featuring: Donald Trump Where: Marietta, Georgia, United States When: 28 Oct 2024 Credit: CNP/INSTARimages
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- Former United States President Donald J Trump, the 2024 Republican Party nominee for President of the US, is joined on stage by his pastor Paula Michelle White-Cain while making remarks to the National Faith Advisory Summit at the Worship With Wonders Church Featuring: Donald Trump, Paula Michelle White-Cain Where: Marietta, Georgia, United States When: 28 Oct 2024 Credit: CNP/INSTARimages
I was curious what came first – racism or sexism. Now we know.
National abortion ban will be second.
And IVF and birth control. and the Dept of education
Yeah I was planning on doing an IVf transfer soon – I have frozen embryos. IVF is the only way I could have my daughter. Now I don’t think that’s going to happen because if a national abortion ban happens quickly, it won’t be safe for women to be pregnant in America. And I’m in my 40s so risk is higher. So thanks, 52% of fellow white women for destroying my plans of adding to my family. Oh and thanks for paving the way for my daughter to have less rights than I did. I hope your eggs will be cheaper. Which they wont be. Because if all the migrant farm workers are kidnapped and put in concentration camps, who is working at the farms? More jobs for American citizens? Cool. They have to be paid at minimum wage. No more exploiting migrant workers. That means your eggs will be more expensive. Hope you had fun believing that lie.
When asked about abortion, Trump said he would not impose a national abortion ban but rather he’d leave it up to state government. “TARIFF TARIFFS TARIFFS” was second behind deportation.
President Biden has unprecedented presidential immunity. Go for it, Joe.
I’m Latina. For all the people I know who are naturalized citizens or first gen, second gen, third gen who voted for trump and made a significant difference in swing states…I hope you’re prepared for what you voted for. No one is gonna check your voting record before deporting you or committing violence against you because of how you look or your last name. You did this to yourself. You did this to us all.
My spouse is Latino, though he sure didn’t vote for this. He was born a citizen (he’s Puerto Rican). I’m wondering how long his status will protect him and keep our family together. It’s really terrifying.
Last I heard your husband is an American citizen. Do not be terrified.
Look it up
NUTELLA TOAST I am tearing up this morning thinking about what a second mango administration means for the people that voted for him. I am so sorry that American voters, including the disenfranchised, voted for their own self-destruction. Mitch McConnell, with a massive personal fortune no one cam explain. Is already war mongering to add to his personal wealth. No matter how badly this plays out, the Democrats will be blamed. The lack of accountability is surreal.
I don’t feel sorry for any Trump voters and non-voters at all.
They didn’t care about women already dying due to lack of care when having pregnancy complications.
(Of course, I exclude people who really couldn’t vote for whatever reason. And that does not include “busy” as people had weeks to vote).
Don’t be nice to Trump voters. Treat them as you would someone in a work setting: stay professional with mimimum politness, but don’t give them any more help, comfort and warmth. Refer them to maga when they cry.
Put all that energy you had for them before into organizing and connecting with each other. Volunteer, do connect with that other organization that also does good things. Stronger together.
You probably wont approve this post but I feel angry and jaded, but I really dgaf about women who voted for him and need reproductive health medical care, Latinos who voted for him and will now be mistaken for being an illegal immigrant and harassed, the Black men who voted for him and will be a victim of his racist policies, the back woods cousin marrying bumpkins who will lose welfare and healthcare.
Just focus on protecting and providing for mine.
Mimi and Michaelacat, I am right there with you. There is that saying that “he who will not hear, must feel.” The leopards are at the gate. I am just hurt for those of us who did try to fight against this but will be collateral damage anyway.
I’ve been fighting for decades, and the people I’m fighting for insist on constantly voting against their best interests. It never changes. I’m done. There is no compassion left in me for the people who voted for the whirlwind because they will also be harmed by the whirlwind. They voted for it! Oh well.
I’m protecting me and mine.
I’m done caring about them and anybody who chose to sit the election out. If they get deported by accident, so be it. If they get thrown out on a Muslim ban, so be it. If they or their daughters die in childbirth, so be it. They said it first: we’re “the enemy within.” Okay then. We know where we all stand now, and I will care for me and mine.
The only people I feel any empathy for are those who showed up to vote against it, and even that’s limited because so many of them insist on remaining in these garbage dump states and supporting them with their tax dollars. If you’re impoverished, that’s one thing, but all of these middle class people who don’t want to give up their cheap homes, who insist on bringing babies, particularly girls, into this trash heap situation? Done. Fend for yourself. I cannot help you.
I’m with MichaelaCat et al. I hope the leopards eat all of the faces of their party. I spare an extra wish that Jeff Bezos gets set upon by pirates on his superyacht.
NUTELLA TOAST I feel your pain and and I am heartsick right now. I am sending you a virtual hug.
I am so concerned about my 19-year old niece who is adopted and was born in Guatemala. Her parents are making her carry her passport and naturalization papers with her at all times now. And we all fear that may not be enough to stop her from being deported eventually because she was not born in the US.
I will feel no sympathy for all the folks who will be getting their faces eaten soon enough. They reap what they sow, it’s just infuriating that the rest of us have to deal with the disaster they’ve created.
Agree- Latina here too and my immediate family didn’t vote for four more years of chaos and bigotry. I am disgusted knowing some of my cousins and aunts/ uncles did, though.
73 Million Amercans did this to us all.
More than that. Also the ones that didn’t vote at all.
Right? That’s the thing! Aside from the fact that putting people in cages and camps and treating them like animals is wrong…the implications extend far beyond just deporting illegal immigrants and securing the border. I am American, my parents and grandparents were born here- the border literally crossed our land in Texas. I do not look “American”, if looking American actually means looking European and not Native American. I remember during the first Trump administration, the rhetoric was so bad, and the liberties extended to border patrol and regular police were becoming so broad …Texas literally passed a “show me your papers” law. I was legitimately afraid to leave the house without my id when I would visit family in Texas, and I remember being worried that they would question the fact that my drivers license was from MA. The Latinos who voted for Trump think they are safe because they are American- they aren’t. They will be shocked when emboldened racists tell them to “go back to their country”, just wait and watch.
I am a senior citizen Latina. I didn’t learn that my biological father was from Mexico until I was fifty. Dear Emil Sosa became a naturized citizen because he signed up to fight for the country he loved in World War II. Until his death, he and I shared our views. Those views were to fight racism, fight sexism, fight for those in need. Of course, he was a Democrat and so am I (and the hero who raised me was a proud union member and also a solid Democrat). I live in Missouri so most people I know voted for 45/47. I am quietly disgusted by them. And my heart breaks for all those innocent people who were unable to come here legally. They just want what Emil wanted…a better safer life. And those who came here as children…are they going to be deported to a country they have no connection to and perhaps unable to speak their home country’s language? I am troubled and I am soul-crushed.
I’m with you 💯 @ NutellaToast.
If I did Not have a standard D&C after miscarrying on my 16th week, I’d be Dead with the way the Supreme Mullahs changed Roe v Wade. Our country is becoming a country whose judicial system is Sharia Law – No joke!
this is what the people want and if he wants to remove a huge section of our economy like this, then that’s on him. Removing millions of people regardless of legal status is going to have a huge impact on the economy. If people really are so worried about “the economy,” then this is a terrible option. But Trump supporters will probably find a way to blame Biden.
You are right. A lot of agriculture and plant jobs are done by immigrants because a lot of citizens don’t want the messy jobs.
Right??
I remember during his first term when he restricted the temporary worker visas. It drove up the price of crab meat in Maryland because the crabs are handpicked by temporary migrant workers. And people were all surprised, especially on the Eastern Shore (which is pretty red.)
That’s just one of the reasons that WI going for Trump angers me. It’s an open secret that many farmers here have undocumented workers. White worker won’t be flocking to those jobs. Plus if they succeed at repealing the ACA it will mean over 21 million people will lose healthcare coverage. I would guess that farmers and their families make up a lot of those people. AND don’t even get me started on the tariffs.
Well, I hope that Gen Z white men are ready to suit up and get to work in that chicken processing plant. Enjoy yourselves!
Exactly. Drive through ag country anywhere in the US and it’s all immigrants in the fields. Lose the workforce and food rots at harvest, prices soar. Trump supporters who voted their hate and malice are in for a very rude awakening.
That’s where prison labor comes in. Don’t forget that most of our prisons are privatized. Minorities and political undesirables thrown into prison on Trumped-up charges sentenced by MAGA-installed judges, and they’ll labor for more or less free for the duration of their sentences. We did it to Black people in the coal mines in the South post-Civil War. There is historical precedent. It’s was fascist and authoritarian regimes do.
50% of agricultural jobs are done by undocumented persons. His administration has always known where the vast majority of undocumented person are, and his administration never once tried to do anything about it. No company is ever fined for employing those who are not yet citizens. And yup, those people pay taxes and into social security that they will never receive.
He’ll make a small show of grabbing people off the streets so that his nazi friends think that he is doing something, but the situation will remain very largely unchanged.
and I imagine that he will allow border agents and private individuals to shoot to kill. those who voted for him are so eager for blood.
The CEO of the largest construction company in my town outright said to me and my husband (because my married last name is white and you wouldn’t immediately peg me as the daughter of an immigrant) that yeah, illegals are his workforce, but he doesn’t want to have to pay to educate their kids or make sure they have health care. “They” are draining our resources. It took every single fiber of my being to not punch him or call him a raging asshat. I let him talk because I needed to know what people like him really thought. It was shocking…not shocking.
Lol, now he will have to pay and pay through the roof to find workers.
Instead of paying taxes he’s now going to pay higher wages AND taxes.
And then people will complain that houses or home renovations or rents etc are too high because the workforce is going to cost more.
I mean look, i think its shameful that undocumented workers are exploited and paid lower wages, they work longer hours, with fewer to no protections. It is absolutely wrong.
But it is a large part of how our economy ticks right now. Trump wants to remove that sector of the economy – prices are going to reflect that and I dont want to hear a single Trump voter sound surprised when grocery prices actually dont go down but go way up.
People want slaves…
The thing that I don’t get is that they saw how this actually worked when they did it a few years ago in Alabama and florida, and food literally rotted in the fields. These people are so concerned about their eggs costing $4 a dozen not realizing that if we start to place terrorists on imports and deport the people that are currently in jobs that’s just going to make things more expensive. But like all things people won’t get it until it’s too late, and then they’ll expect an immediate change in 2 months, and then be pissed that they’re now $9 a dozen eggs are going to be that price for the next 2 years.
Except the MSM *never* made that any sort of big news. Most people have absolutely no idea that this happened.
@ Dee2, I tried to explain this all to my parents. My mom told me she wasn’t voting for Harris because the price of eggs was so high. I tried to tell her that if Trump was elected, the price of all our groceries was going to rise. She just wouldn’t get it, and voted for Trump anyway. And with all their pre-existing medical conditions, good luck to them when their health insurance company drops them and they have only Medicare (maybe not even that) to rely on.
I would think they have a plan this time, unfortunately. What’s to stop them ‘paying’ incarcerated people a few cents a day to work the fields? And if there’s not enough of them now, they can always find more.
Well that’s one way to boost the economy: Slavery!
It worked in the past I suppose.
You are 100% right.
Britain experienced this when Brexit went through. Most of the manul workers from Europe went back to their home country. Suddenly there was no one to drive the food trucks which caused a major concern during Christmas on the French borders. Boris Johnson came up with a special visa and 3month rent incentives to lure migrants back. This was 2-3 Christmas ago if my I’m not mistaken.
I still maintain my stance on letting it burn, here for the ashes.
This is what the US did in the 1950s, and the system worked well — 6 month visas and people largely left afterward. Then some ultra-conservative nut job with a religious affliation I believe sold the American people on immigrants being bad so the visas ended but people kept coming anyway, but this time, had to risk the consequences. Not the companies, though, the companies don’t ever reap any consequences.
I was in London right before Brexit, and noticed how many people working in stores, restaurants, etc were immigrants. I often wondered what happened when they all had to leave.
It is amazing how so many forgot the Muslim ban, which only got overturned because the court wasn’t totally stacked with his people yet.
When ICE comes around to detain they won’t be checking papers. Anyone who isn’t white will be brought in and then maybe they might sort out legals or not.
And all this voting about inflation will really come around when the large segments of the agricultural industry especially in the border states used illegal immigrants for cheaper labour. Those increased costs will end up on the food, along with the tariffs other countries will add on imported products in retaliation for his tariffs. The U.S. outsourced a lot of its manufacturing to benefit rich oligarchs and not all of it are in countries willing to be reasonable with tariffs. China has a lot of power here.
I only feel bad for people who voted for Harris to try and prevent this.
I have a friend who as a 13 year old was detained at the border. He was born in the US but was traveling with his family to visit relatives across the border. Border control would not permit his parents to stay with him while he was interrogated. Border control assumed he was an adult with an arrest warrant. Luckily he was able to convince them that he was not who they thought he was. Trump will relish when images of immigrants (or those who look like immigrants) being seized or incarcerated are plastered across the media because that’s what his base voted for. 500+ of those kids separated from their families were not reunited and may never be. The US effectively made them orphans and had no qualms or regrets about doing so. In fact, it is hoping to do more damage.
Right? They’re so worried about THE ECONOMY so they voted for deporting our workforce, killing women (the main wage earners in many families), fat tariffs. None of it makes sense.
It makes perfect sense. They won’t deport everyone, they’ll throw a ton in prison and send them out to work the jobs previously held by immigrants. Permanent underclass. All fascist regimes do it.
Becks1, this is a parallel with Brexit – voted by many so they could be rid of their Polish neighbours who were too loud or had a bad accent.
Fast forward 8 years, many indeed left of their own accord and entire industries were decimated, either by the economic loss generated by Brexit directly or by the fact that the European immigrants left and went back to the EU.
The British government had to issue thousands of visas to literally fly in agricultural workers from East Asia, and net immigration was up 200% in the last 2 years of the Tory government.
Guess what, no British people wanted to do those jobs the immigrants did and result was the economy tanked so badly that we had negative growth for ages.
I’d bet this will be the scenario in the USA too.
I dearly hope that immigrants won’t be rounded up and forced to work from the labor camps. I can see that being a diabolical solution Trump would support.
I am here to see it burn. He should carry on. He’s clearly been given permission from minorities and and disenfranchised communities that his policies affect.
Why fight for people who don’t care???
Hopefully the next 4 years will be an opportunity for him to purge his fanatics of the notion he’s for them through radical and divisive policy implementation that will negatively impact them. I won’t hold my breath that their mannic hero worship can be purged but hope springs
eternal.
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I feel this. I no longer care what happens to anyone who voted for him. They will die of miscarriages and vaccine preventable illness, they will starve. I don’t care.
I feel all of you, I really do. F* DT, f* his supporters. f* everyone who made this happen by voting for him, voting 3rd party or not voting at all.
But we are also going to be the ones starving and dying from miscarriages and vaccine preventable illnesses and I’m just so angry but also so, so scared.
I’m all of this. I feel like I’m ready to watch everything fucking burn. While shaking in my boots. I feel ready to fight for people I don’t know. While shaking in my boots.
I am also of the mind to just let it burn.
Why must I fight against you to secure you a fair system that you don’t want?
I feel empathy for those who did not want this and are terrified of what will happen. I am scared and feel very privileged in this world. I will offer support to those who don’t want this mess.
But my tired heart is done. This is the FO part of FAFO. And I really hope karma is the bitch I believe she is.
I’m really glad to read that I’m not the only one feeling this way. I had to tune out on details because I was so disgusted but to learn the majority of Latinos and 1 in 3 black voters went for Trump. Yep, I’m done with all of you.
The only thing that kept me sane yesterday morning was reading this:
“Rev. Benjamin Cremer @Brcremer
Remember, trying to make sense of what makes fascism so appealing will make you feel like you’re losing your mind because it doesn’t operate on anything logical.
It is based on grievance, vengeance, cruelty, and control.
It refuses to be reasoned with.”
They voted for him and this is where they find themselves. I will not protest about any of the horror he inflicts on them. I just won’t. I am unburdened.
Same.
I feel sorry for everyone who voted for Harris, but that’s it.
Anyone not having voted for her getting in trouble or being cursed in the street, needs to not be helped or comforted by any democrat any more.
Make them ask maga for help.
That’s understandable for now but at some point we will need to engage with Trump voters and non- voters, if only to try to persuade them to vote Democrat in 2026 and 2028.
@ Holly-Why? WHY is it always the responsibility of the people who do the right thing, who vote for the greater good, who vote in the interests of THE PEOPLE and not the rich, who vote for the party with ACTUAL policies, to “convince” their fellow Americans to stop voting against their own best interests? Why is it always incumbent upon US to reach out to THEM and not the other way around? Why are we always the ones that have to care?
I know I’m being a bitch today but honestly….I’m just so sick of it. At this point, I just don’t care anymore about these people and their idiotic politics. I don’t care enough to waste my breath trying to convince them to be on my team.
In fact, I don’t want anything to do with them because while I can’t change the outcome of the election–I don’t have that power, sadly–I DO have the power to remove these people from my life entirely and I gain a lot of comfort from that.
So yeah..they can continue to keep choosing evil over good and I’ll be over here with the good folks, minding my own damn business.
I’mSo what’s the alternative, pray to the democracy fairy that the right will spontaneously change their minds? All the while they are stuck in a bubble self radicalising and getting more and more Draconian.
Every successful progressive moment in history only worked because the people involved in them were prepared to talk to people who disagreed with them.
Men didn’t suddenly wake up one morning and decide to give women the vote, it was the result of decades of feminists campaigning and engaging with probably very sexist people and slowly and methodically changing their minds
“Men didn’t suddenly wake up one morning and decide to give women the vote, it was the result of decades of feminists campaigning and engaging with probably very sexist people and slowly and methodically changing their minds”
And what has that gotten us? The fucking SAVE Act which Trump is determined to enforce, taking the power away from the states. So now, millions of voter registrations in states that Trump decides are problematic could be removed and state authorities have no say in it. If voters don’t have a passport and ID with their married name on it, they must produce both a birth certificate and a current form of identification—both with the exact same name on them. That could instantly disqualify about 90% of all married women without passports or other proof that matches their birth certificates or proof of a legal name change.
If you don’t think this is a transparent attempt to suppress the female vote then you’re not paying attention.
What has protesting for Roe in 1973 gotten us?
We have an abortion ban in 13 states. We have Project 2025 breathing down our necks, threatening a federal ban. We have women DYING because they don’t have access to necessary medical care.
I mean, can you see why people are done? Can you see why it all feels futile and useless and people will now turn inwards and become even more tribal instead of reaching out?
Can you really blame us for feeling like this when things that women before us fought for 50 years ago are now being stripped away and we’re supposed to just fight for it all over again, expend all our emotional energy and time while men sit on their asses? Nah, fuck that.
I completely understand why you feel that way. Nobody ever said this stuff was easy and if you want to sit on the sidelines that’s fine.
However I hope you’ll agree that our lives are currently better than our grandmothers and their lives were much better than their grandmothers. And the reason for that progress is that feminists went out and talked to the sexists and changed their minds. I’m sure being a suffragist/suffragette was often a dispiriting and mentally exhausting experience but thanks to them we have the right to vote and all the other rights that followed it.
I can’t hate a process that saved me from the life of a 19th century woman, I can only be grateful that it worked and try to replicate it in the context of the modern era, no matter how hard it might be.
Holly, dear… Still convinced you’re going to have elections in 2026?
I admire your optimism… fascism is the death of all other political ideas and parties. I’m originally from Italy so I know that well.
Unfortunately it will take several generations to undo this mess and for the Trump-humpers to die off and get replaced by younger generations who are sick of living in a fascist, racist, misogynist regime of enforced poverty, no health care, jerrymandering and disenfranchisement on a massive scale, and lack of basic human rights for immigrants and women. Welcome to the hellscape of Project 2025 America, and I haven’t one morsel of sympathy to those who voted this despicable monster into power.
That’s where I’m at. If all these young men are this radicalized…they’re not going anywhere anytime soon. I’m at a loss and I’m scared. I’m absolutely in love with my nieces and nephews who are 6 months, 3, 5 and 8. But their parents are hard core maga. The boy who is 5 wants to wear sparkles and dresses and earrings. He loves rainbows and unicorns. I’m terrified for him. And for all the girls who are going to grow up in that generation of men raised on Andrew Tate and Trump.
This is where I am at. They will need to suffer deeply and more people will die, and even then, folks may not be able to shake the stench and rot off to vote. Stupid people tend to dig in and then they die from their own actions, clinging to the notion that they were right all along.
This election was lost on protecting the interests of 0.6% of the population vs every one else. Nearly every flip vote from democrats to trump I know was based on trans rights. Some are LGBTQ themselves even. None wanted to invalidate trans people’s rights to life unbothered. All complained about trans women in sport, pronouns becoming a widespread mandatory thing, women being told it was exclusionary to talk about periods and having a uterus etc. democrats did this to themselves
And what’s your suggestion here? That the Dem party should have thrown trans folks to the wolves? And your anecdotal data is not reflective of outgoing polls where most people cited the economy as their biggest issue. Not to say that those same people aren’t also transphobic–I’m sure many of them are–but I don’t think the election was lost because of it.
This election was lost because racist decided to vote with a deviant fascist. Period. Lack of morals and decency is what got us here. Go cry to your mother about if you have a problem with the truth.
Anecdote isn’t data. Current data emerging from the election disagrees with you.
And anyone who voted for fascism because they’re upset about pronouns better buckle up, and they’d sure as hell better keep their mouth shut when they’re septic because of a miscarriage with no one to treat them, when they can’t afford groceries, when they’re tossed over the border, when Gaza is raised, when they lose their federal job so a ‘loyalist’ can be put in…and so on.
I am not a sadist but I am up for a little schadenfreude when he does everything he said he’s going to do and it hurts the people that supported him. You asked for this!!!
I’m stocking a bottle of champagne for that @Aimee.
Pity the kids that will get ill and die from preventable diseases…but mom & dad made their choice.
Pity families who will go a bit hungrier as inflation will run rampant when deportations begin.
I left the US when he was first elected (before he was inaugurated), as having lived in the NY/NJ area it was well known he was a flat out liar and loon. I have no regrets. I can see the US from my house and will sit sipping wine on my balcony watching it all play out.
Oh well, sucks to be the people who voted for him.
I am in my FAFO era. After decades of working to try to stop people from acting on their own worst impulses and against their own interests, I AM DONE. If the MAGAs want to work with me to solve problems before I check out of the U.S. for good, they can find me. I’ll wait. But that will NEVER happen!
Let them suffer. They brought it upon themselves.
It’s funny that he doesn’t look Native American to me. His people were once immigrants. His wife certainly is, but she’s special, I guess.
Right? How many generations back do you have to go to prove you are really an “american”??
Although I guess it’s ok for the white people. They won’t be bothered.
I’m Canadian and I am so mad for you guys!!!
I read an interesting article years ago called “Are Jews White?” It was about what it means to be white, and whether white skin is the end of the story. The part that stuck with me was that “white” is a coded way to talk about societal acceptance.
Italians used to be not white, the Irish used to be not white, etc. Brown and black people are 100% going to feel the pain harder and faster, but what boggles my mind is the white people who think the racism will stop at already-marginalized people. The fear of the unknown is what’s getting me today.
Not only have two of his wives been immigrants, but his own mother was an immigrant! And Melania apparently flouted immigration law to stay here, so she’s an “illegal.” (IIRC, even if you later gain legal status, you can still get in trouble and even deported for earlier violations, so it’s not as if gaining legal status is a reset button.)
Of course, in Trump’s mind (and the minds of his minions) that doesn’t count, because they’re all white.
He probably doesn’t care if Melania were deported now anyway. She has lived out her usefulness to him likely.
Ivana was here illegally too. Tiffany is the only one of his five spawn who is not an anchor baby.
There will be a lot of leopards eating a lot of faces soon. Mr. Smith insists most Trump voters don’t think he will do what he said he’s going to do or simply don’t think they will be affected. FAFO, I guess.
I absolutely think this is part of it. I remember in 2016, there was a quote from a Trump supporter that was something like – you took everything he said literally, we didnt. and I think we’re seeing that again here – or I think people put up mental parameters around what he says he’s going to do so they can be okay with it.
For example -in this case – “well he’s only going to deport the people who came illegally over the last few years and who are driving up crime in the cities.” So they feel okay with that.
Well thats not all he’s going to deport. He’s not checking criminal records (or voting records.) They’re at least going to detain anyone who looks like they’re an immigrant (re: brown skin, because this isn’t about the white immigrants.)
This is going to be a nightmare and people who thought he was going to obey the parameters THEY set up for him are going to be sorely disappointed.
but again, hey, they asked for this.
I mean yeah…a million dollars says no one is deporting young Norwegians who overstayed their visa.
It’s so weird to me that his supporters don’t take the bad stuff he says seriously. But when he claims he had the best economy ever during his first term (not even close even before COVID) and he will magically fix everything, they lap it up. They just cherry pick what they want to believe.
I mean, he DID have a good economy in the beginning (Thanks, Obama!) just like he will inherit a good economy for his next term, which he will promptly decimate with tariffs and mass deportations. Rinse, repeat. Same pattern of every Republican president–at least in my lifetime.
That’s such a huge part of it.
My extended family that voted for DT claim they like him “because he tells like it is,” yet the minute he promises to do something horrible or against their own interests, they immediately claim “he’s not really going to do that.”
Well which the f*** is it!?
Every Canadian who has crossed the border to the US has run into a jerk customs officer or border guard and you get reminded that you are not american and it is a privilege to enter their country even if you are going spend tourist money there. And that’s done to people of all races. After 9/11 there was additional aggression if you were brown and could maybe be have Middle East heritage.
These people who believe ICE will give a shit about citizenship when they have an administration that encourages deportation are going to find out just where they stand when white supremacy is explicit as the rule of law. The entire state of Michigan is under ICE jurisdiction because it is close to Canada.
There will be tiers of citizens where those who are certain colours need their papers with them at all times. Even if born in the US.
This exactly. I’m Canadian but my husband works for a US company. He spent all day yesterday on calls with colleagues and clients and everyone told him that the election really wasn’t a big deal and nothing much would change. He was stunned. Many of these people were white men though and most had voted for Trump. They were basically laughing at him for being upset about the results.
I keep seeing that too. “Your rights are safe, stop worrying“ or “they’re not going to repeal gay marriage“. I think a lot of people are in for a big shock, and as much as I hate how it’s going to hurt many people, I’m sort of at the point where I say bring it, and let them see what they’ve done. The next four years, and beyond, are going to be hell.
I work in a wealthy resort area, with lots of constant construction and busy summer restaurants. It’s a fairly red area, and you bet all of those business owners and contractors are going to be crying when they can’t find anyone to work cheaper for them.
I will never forget that first term Trump supporter crying because her husband got deported. The selfishness and stupidity of people will never cease to amaze me.
They weren’t going to repeal Roe either and look what happened. I absolutely believe that laws we thought would always last like Clean Air will be at stake.
Yup. Anyone saying “that’s not going to happen” is conveniently forgetting they said that about Roe also.
There’s been a wind farm project in the works in my area that the rich people have protested for years, I’m expecting that to get canceled too. And then everyone will whine about their energy bills.
I do wonder, since he’ll deport immigrants and women will stop having babies due to lack of IVF and fear of risky pregnancies, when will population numbers start to decline? Because then he’ll have real problem on his hands, how to make economy work with bunch of old bommers and less young people who will be in the workforce? So far immigration was taking care of that problem but since he will shut that down, who will be left?
Lazy males that voted for trump will have to stop playing with their iPad on twitter and pick up the slack.
Their life won’t be so fun when women decline sex because it becomes too dangerous.
“Their life won’t be so fun when women decline sex because it becomes too dangerous.”
@ Michaelacat, I wouldn’t put it past them to repeal the martial rape law. Wives won’t have an option to decline.
Put the basement-dwelling incel fanboy legions to work for a change.
@Denise IDK They probably think the women who can’t get IVF will just adopt the unwanted babies from the pregnancies they plan to force women to carry to term.
They can up the population the way the AG from Missouri wants to do it. Restrict access to mifepristone so that there are more teenage pregnancies. I kid you not. From the Missouri Independent;
“Missouri’s attorney general has renewed a push to restrict access to the abortion pill mifepristone, arguing in a lawsuit filed this month that its availability hurt the state by decreasing teenage pregnancy.”
Wow. How could anyone have said that with a straight face?
They’ll force women to have them by removing birth control access. Let’s not kid ourselves: this is all strategic. The American upper class was built off of slavery, and they’re always running back to it. First, it was the indentured servants, then the African slave trade, then it was the immigrants in the city factories, then it was shipped overseas to third world countries. You cannot have an empire and its riches without slavery. We’re just bringing it all back to the domestic field and turning women back into chattel. Whether it works or not will be up to Americans.
Quite literally, we are in uncharted territory. No country this large, this powerful, and this far into social rights advancement has fallen into fascism before without any social systems like healthcare or pensions in place to offset the cruelty. It’s North Korea territory…but we aren’t North Korea population size. We have no idea how it’s going to pan out, just that not everybody is going to survive it.
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Women who don’t want to have kids will see access to birth control limited. And there’s a fair portion of women out there, some of them on Instagram or whatever SM who want to have lots of babies and live on a homestead. Which good for them. Whatever. That’s their choice. But it’s not the choice for everyone.
See this is what’s different this time around. Last time, we all pledged to be part of a formal and informal resistance. This time, the vibe is, you people chose this, I need to take care of me and mine while democracy crumbles.
Instead of looking at the news this morning (which I WILL continue to pay for, NYT, the Guardian and will add) I downloaded a daily affirmations app to read instead. The only place I come to engage with public life is here.
@MrsSmith–we are entering our FAFO era.
I might feel differently in a few months. But right now, I feel like – why fight and resist somethign that the majority of americans want, even if its objectively bad? That sounds exhausted and I’m already exhausted.
For the young who didn’t have a voice in this? On the chance that this election wasn’t what that many wanted because he and Elno did what they accuse the democrats of and found a way to rig the election? For the rest of the world and the effects DT will allow on the environment that will affect everyone?
@Somebody some of us have been doing that for years, for all of our lives. I’m not apologizing for needing a breather from fighting in a country that continuously spits in my face. I am supporting small black and women owned news media, stores, organizations and focusing on supporting my friends and family that need me. The wider world is going to have to wait a bit.
Somebody, I have been at this for over 20 years. Going all way back to the 2000 election when everyone was warned that Bush II was going to be dangerous but folks voted for Nader in enough numbers to help cause a mess in Florida and allow the SC to screw Gore over. People have been warned time and time again. The information has always been out there about what the Republican party truly was. We saw what the Tea Party offshoot did. The Obama presidency was only a brief respite. At this point I am tired of feeling like I and others are screaming into the void. Many of us need a break. Again, he who will not hear must feel.
@ Somebody–for the young who’s parents and grandparents voted for this? Nah. If their own parents don’t care enough to build a better future for them, then why should we?
Look, this was not a close race. Trump might well end up being the first Republican POTUS to win the popular vote in 20 years. He made gains among almost every demographic in almost every region in the country. Americans have collectively decided that the value of their 401K is more important than the climate, women’s bodily autonomy, the ACA..and on and on. How TF do you protest that? How do you protest against what’s in the hearts and minds of FAR too many Americans?
And I say that as someone who took great comfort in protesting during Trump’s first term–my husband and I attended many of them. But that time has passed and we are f*cking EXHAUSTED.
So like @Becks1 said, I’m not protesting shit right now. Americans can enjoy the chaos they voted for–I’m f*cking OUT.
America has never valued me. I’m exhausted. For now, I’m going to hunker down and determine the most effective ways to use my energies while I recharge.
I hope that those of you who can — including those of you who can influence the power brokers in your own lives — will continue to fight, in large ways and in small ones, for those of us who have never had the seats at the tables or the influence that you do.
The Republicans have been building up to this for a very long time.
Some of us, though, remember resistance: Don’t piss off the people who cook your food.
Shift. One more thing: I’ve seen lots of references to Black men, both before and since this election. As far as I can tell from the data that I’ve seen, almost 80% of Black men who voted, voted for Harris. That’s similar to the percentage that voted for Biden. Once again, we and they are being scapegoated for the decisions and actions of the white majority. Black people are about 12% of the population. Not all of us vote. 20% of less than 5% is not what got us where we are today.
Black women, again, came out. But even 92% of 7% is not enough to change the trajectory of a nation and a culture that does not value us. The largest demographic group of voters is actually white women. 52% of 37% — just over half of white female voters, who are over a third of the people who voted — voted for Trump. Those of you who can, educate your daughters, and remind your peers what they are choosing for the rest of us.
I’ll link to the stats I’m using separately.
I’ve looked —obsessively — at statistics following the election. This is an article citing statistics from Washington Post exit polling that I’ve found helpful.
https://thegrio.com/2024/11/06/exit-polls-show-majority-of-black-men-and-women-voted-for-kamala-harris/
Black men got unfairly blamed for not supporting Harris and the numbers don’t bear it out at all.
The numbers show that Latino men and women voted in larger numbers. They will learn soon enough when the deportations begin that they aren’t white.
@Nic919, true. I really don’t see anyone representing Trump being hyper-meticulous about checking paperwork before deporting massive numbers of people.
I feel the same way. Maybe I will recover my empathy in a few weeks or months, but you know what? I’m going to pass for now. I can only be outraged for so long. Besides, he’s popular with certain segments of the about-to-be-deported population, so…good luck to them. It will be fine, I guess.
I know the ‘white women’ comments aren’t directed to me personally. But I want to say that this is one old white woman who does see you and value you. I voted for Hilary. I voted for Uncle Joe. I voted for Kamala. I’d vote for a sack of rancid dog poop before I’d vote for that monster! Please know that not all of us lost our freaking minds in the voting booth.
An evil part of me is here for the leopard buffet. I burned my black lady cape on November 5th and am choosing to be entertained by the spectacle of the Thunderdome from the safety of my expat existence. I know that’s dark and hopefully the numbness and indifference won’t last. I want to regain my empathy. I do. I hate this feeling. But tonight, let the leopards prepare for their feast.
I am with you. Bring on the fucking feast. I am gorging myself with gelato, and the leopards can have their faces. Americans want what is coming… until they don’t.
These fucking dummies will probably try to blame it all on Nancy Pelosi or some other woman when they lose their healthcare and get saddled with some unwanted babies.
*shrug* People are getting what they voted for. Me and my community will be holding on to each other tight. I wish everyone else the best of luck.
TFG rarely follows through on his rally promises and I think the threat of massive deportation is just one more example of his fearmongering. But it’s not the police or ICE that immigrants need to worry about. It’s the white supremacists who are now emboldened to harass and attack anyone that fits the profile.
Stephen Miller is obsessed with this. He will be the one to push this through.
This right here. If it weren’t for Stephen Miller, I’d think the whole “mass deportation” effort would fizzle out much as the wall did. It’s expensive and a bureaucratic nightmare, and shitler would get bored with it soon enough.
But SM wants to hurt people, and he wants violence. Unless he does something to get kicked out of the cult before now and January, he WILL see this through.
Yeah, he couldn’t follow through on his rally promises before because they were total BS he couldn’t control (making Mexico pay for the wall in 2016, making China pay for the tariffs in 2024) or because either his staff prevented the worst of his ideas in 2016-2020 and/or because they feared a voter backlash against the most unpopular choices (dismantling ACA etc)
Now he is only working with people who will implement his plans.
And I 100% believe they figured out how to rig this election and they’ll never worry about losing again, because now they know they won’t.
(Among many possibilities for how they rigged it, the extreme right wing religious group NAR was very active in getting their “soldiers” to be not poll *watchers* in swing states, but poll *workers* – including counting ballots. And if they disappeared even one Harris ballot for every five or so, that would have been enough to make a huge difference.)
I don’t think it’ll be anywhere near as successful as they claim, but I definitely think they’ll try. If they remove even 500K-1 million people, though, we’ll feel it immediately. We did after COVID. The worker shortages will exist. The economy will slide into recession, and there will likely be supply chain issues. You simply can’t remove that much of the workforce and consumer base without a ripple effect.
Aerie, what everyone needs to understand is that Trump/Vance are simply puppets on strings. Project 2025 will be implemented by the people who have bought the politicians and the election. They were helped by Russia, China, Iran and India with propaganda. This is what we’re got.
I know people are tired. Believe me, I’m in my late 60s and it seems that everything women fought for before is gone or soon will be. If people stop fighting, they are playing right into the hands of the fascist. They want us to give up. Well, I’m not giving up. I’ll keep fighting.
100% they will have to fear the white supremacist thugs. Not so sure about the deportations. Could go either way.
Let’s not pretend most of Trump voters aren’t white men. It’s really too easy to always blame women or immigrants or whatever already marginalized group.
White men and women are the largest supporters of that monster but he cannot win with them alone. A few decades ago the vote was entirely controlled by white people, but that isn’t the case anymore.
So it is the non white voters voting against their own interest that pushed it over the edge to give him power.
The dm is all over this now I just looked at their headlines.
Sorry disregard this was to be part of harry visa thread
I think you can hope his supporters get what they deserve and still plan to fight. Right now, you are tired and sad. You need to feel those feelings.
Living in the Texas of Canada, I have lots of experience with election sadness. Our current government is all in on the taking rights away from trans kids. Last time, I canvassed my heart out and we still lost. But we lost by a lot less! So I’ve stayed involved with my local progressive constituency association to work on 2027. It might not change anything but I’ll know that I did everything I could.
You don’t have to do anything! But I wanted to share what makes me feel better.
SarahMcK, I agree that people need to spend time feeling whatever they feel. Then we all need to keep fighting. Giving fascists what they want by giving up isn’t something I will ever do.
I’m a fellow Canadian, living in the buck-a-beer province formerly known as Ontario. It scares me that 50% of Conservatives in Canada would also vote for Trump if they could. Like you, I’m going to get engaged locally, but it is so hard to compete with these large Russian and other disinformation networks when I can’t even change my the minds of my immediate family.
There are dumbasses in Ontario who like Trump and they clearly don’t remember what happened when he raised tariffs because that is against us. He doesn’t give a shit about Canadians and I make sure to tell these dummies that they are supporting an enemy to Canada.
I don’t think trump will there very long. Vance and his acolytes, will find a way to get rid of him. This country is about to crash big. The maga racism stop them understanding the economical contribution of the immigrants. And the social tissues are under attack with them approving lower medicare insurance and less healthcare services. As a Canadian, I can only hope that we don’t get to much involved.
I agree, I don’t think Trump will be there long. Either he’ll die (he’s not well) or they’ll force him out. The economy is gonna be destroyed if they actually start mass deportations AND implement tariffs (see the Smoot-Hawley tariff act of 1930…oh, I forgot, history isn’t taught in this country anymore because it’s too woke, or whatever). I understand people are upset that some crap box of cereal is a $1.50 more now than it was in 2016, but I think this is going to be a huge economic disaster. And then maybe they’ll learn? But probably not. 50% of my fellow Americans are pretty stupid.
I think Selena Meyer said it best: “I’ve met some people, okay, real people, and I gotta tell ya, a lot of ’em are f@#$ing idiots.”
When my coworker from El Salvador, who is a naturalized citizen and voted for hell, goes back to El Salvador to visit family and can’t get back into the country, well I’m hoping that no one will except me to have any sympathy.
I’ve been screaming into the void about this since Project 2025 came out but if you want to see what mass deportations do to the economy, look no further than the meat processing industry in Iowa. We are 100% headed towards political collapse if he does this, guys. And you know what? Fuck all the rich people who enjoy cheap labor and good luck finding white working class Trump voters to fill that void–pretty sure they’re not gonna be ok with getting paid forty-five cents for thirty-five pound bag of sweet potatoes.
They will just use incarcerated workers. It’s already a widely accepted practice to “employ” prisoners. These people (not TFG) aren’t stupid and they have had years to plan.
I think a lot of people who voted for him are extremely unaware politically and probably very siloed in how they get their news. Many probably have no idea what is coming. They voted for the price of gas, eggs, etc.
I’m thinking about the guy who owns a painting company in GA who got the contract to do the apartments I live in in another state. He 100% voted for Trump despite the fact that, from what I could tell, all of the men who worked for him were probably undocumented. He didn’t think for a second about what his vote was going to do to his business.
Aside from the abject suffering of the people directly impacted, we are all going to suffer from this. Food prices will go up, we will have food shortages, construction will come to a halt across the country, restaurants will close, factories will close, etc. Replacing domestic production with imports will come with a 20% tariff. The impact gets darker from there.
Yup. I’m fully anticipating a recession. Everyone was warned, nobody listened. All we can do is try to protect ourselves and white knuckle it through this.
I think that within two years, we will be in a full-blown global Depression.
I can predict I’ll be going back to my pandemic levels of canned food and toilet paper hoarding. Food prices are going to be crazy. 😞 Eggs will be back to $7/dozen, A head of lettuce will be $4 and only wealthy people will be able to afford meat. I just hope he doesn’t gut Medicare because that’s my insurance and I use it a lot.
I’m a 7th generation of Mexican descent and I’m disgusted that the Latino/Hispanic vote tipped this election. I imagine they are early generational which is even more perplexing. The self hatred is sad.
Don’t feel bad. If you want to talk about self-hating, just look at white women. We let everyone down. AGAIN.
I’m sick over this. SICK. WTRF?
Some of the white working class women will pay with their lives when their miscarriages don’t get treatment. Maybe then they will understand what they did.
@Nic919–a lot of those women voted to protect abortion access in their red state while *also* voting for Trump. As long as their daughters have access to abortion, who fucking cares about marginalized folks suffering under a Trump regime, I guess, is their line of thinking. Wonder what they’ll do when Project 2025 is implemented and their vote for state protections is null and void in lieu of a Federal ban…
No they won’t because their sycophantic husbands and fathers will take care of everything.
So many good comments here. I am of the baby boomer generation and not sure if I will live long enough to see things turn back around, if they ever do. But you all are correct, and I too am going to sit back and watch the “fun” that these people voted for. The fear for myself is if the economy starts to crumble into a recession and inflation soars due to his bad policies, as I am dependent on social security and medicare. But I won’t live day to day in fear of the horror that will happen like I did in 2016-2020.
I am surprised by all the young voters who asked for this. I suppose our education system has failed them. I guess they have never read The Handmaid’s Tale (or watched the tv show) or Orwell’s 1984 or Animal Farm. I am sorry for all of this, but it makes me kind of glad my youth is in the rearview mirror.
The husband and I were talking last night, and I was like, if we have any major purchases to make, we need to do it before the end of the year. After Jan. first, I’m not buying anything but food and underwear. I will put zero dollars into the Trash economy. And everything is going to cost more anyway, so you might as well get it now. He needs a new (used) vehicle, we’re doing a kitchen reno after the holidays, all that stuff will be on the 2024 tab. Anything else is thrift store. I have enough shirts, pants, shoes, pots, pans, furniture, appliances, etc. to get me through at least 4 years.
I’m leaning that way myself. Partly as protest, and partly to get stocked up before everything skyrockets in price. Christmas this year will be needed items, not luxuries.
Project 2025 will institute a nationwide abortion ban, end IVF, birth control, gay marriage, the department of education and more. The red states are the poorest and have the least doctors and resources. The economy is going to crash because of tariffs and prices will be sky high. The red states are already the poorest in the country and are about to get decimated. And THEY VOTED FOR IT. I’m exhausted and I’m done fighting for people who are too dumb to understand what is happening around them. I’m ready to see them suffer. I don’t care anymore.
And don’t forget Mr. Anti-vax who will decimate vaccination programs for everyone from babies and children up to adults. Hello mass infections and deaths from measles, mumps, whooping cough, polio, RSV, influenza, covid, chicken pox, hepatitis, etc.
So life will begin at conception and end shortly after birth for many.
And they’re frothing at the mouth to disband ACA so we’ll get 50 million uninsured people, most with pre-existing conditions so our medical costs will skyrocket.
I don’t want to hear anything about a woman’s march this time. I’m not risking my life for anyone but myself and my own. I’m not stepping out to protest against deportation, against the abortion restrictions, to support union labor. I’m not risking my life for people who hate black women. It’s time that black women take a step back. We have tried and worked and suffered to save others, to take care of others, and no one has ever stood up for us. We were ignored in the Civil Rights movement, by the women’s rights movement. We don’t need to be the loyal footsoldiers anymore. We need to look after each other, support each other. My charitable dollars are going to organizations that support black women as their chief goal, and those that support black children. For now at least. In the US, it’e everyone for herself.
I say that in full knowledge of all the women that have fought hard and worked hard for the benefit of all women, but there just aren’t enough of you. Black women can’t take on the troubles of white women. It’s time we take care of ourselves and ourselves alone. I hate to say that. It goes against every ideal of community and intersectionality that I have, but I have a feeling that we’re all going to be in survival mode from this point forward. I’m not risking my life, my freedom, my money for people who will risk none of those on my behalf.
Wonderful comment!!
100000% agree! For me it’s black women and children, then everyone else. Maybe.
Agree x 10,000,000,000
I completely understand this, lanne. And support you in this.
Black women have done way too much for the rest of us. And we all should be in survival mode now, and we should prepare to make some hard choices.
https://prospect.org/politics/2024-10-30-what-will-you-do-trump-wins/
He said he would do this. Repeatedly. Openly.
He will.
How can anyone be shocked now?
Trump is going to be uncontrollable.
Update…this site has been a sea of light when so much darkness was being spread on other sm threads. Just getting over a serious cold, but, plan to start next week cleaning out my closets and donating to Salvation army and church groups. My son has agreed to help me get my garage cleaned out and in order. Will be entertaining some of the people that have been bugging me about purchasing my house and the Nissan rep calling again and again wanting to buy back my 2022 Nissan Sentra. Spirits were uplifted when my son says he will be visiting me and my niece also, as long as she can bring her 2 dogs. Lol. Taking things slow as not to jump out of frying pan into the fire. Just don’t want to spend retirement years listening to a lot of foolishness being espoused by foolish people.
America is entering a IDGAF Era. Trump’s incoming new Reign of Terror has people not caring for others. To everyone who voted for Trump for what ever reason: Gaza, immigration, economy, etc., they are going to regret that vote when Trump’s policies come back to bite them. And those who stood with people who were targets and let down by not voting for Kamala are going to sit back and not care. One TikToker is putting out the phone number to US immigration to rat out Latinos Trump voters with undocumented family members.
The babies in cages and all of those missing children. That was possibly the worst part of this first term.
What angered me to no end during the campaign was Trump cult members on social media blaming the missing kids and kids in cages on Democrats. And then voting for this. The cognitive dissonance is alarming.
How did people forget this happened? Or did they just not care because it didn’t happen to THEM?
Just saw a map showing the red/blue votes.
If it is correct, damn near 80% voted red.
WTH?
And already the sites posting that the Dem leaders are playing the blame game.
The threat of Wilders and Baudet led me to get dual citizenship so I have rights where I live. I’ve helped immigrants here with English. One of the hidden aspects of moving to the Netherlands is that you almost have to have English as a second language to Dutch because it’s one of the things many employers expect. So this resonated with me: https://www.pajiba.com/news/so-what-do-we-do-know.php
My mother immigrated to the United States and became a citizen. So I’m a first generation American on that side, and I’m aware of how some people treat people from elsewhere. We have relatives from Asia and South America in the family, too. Some American relatives with different accents and skin tones have already been asked whether they belong yearsago. This is only going to get worse. We need to figure out how to take care of people now that MAGA is returning to power.
You’ve done what many of us EU citizens did after the Brexit referendum, we naturalised as British citizens because Theresa May was on TV almost every day threatening us of mass deportation.
Fast forward 8 years, and the UK economy is the one with negative growth in Europe almost constantly due to the consequences of Brexit, including lack of labour in industries that a decade ago had lots of EU citizens working in.
My family of 4 is one of the only one on both sides (plus 1 niece on each side) who voted for Kamala, my daughter made calls and drove people to votex My Upstate NY area is filled with Trump supporters all around me. One of the nicest people I know, a true Christian which not many are, loves Trump, don’t know why…her daughter hates him and she just says Jesus has her saying these things to make her think about loving all. Point is-I know I will be affected by his policies, by what they will do the first 2 years (hoping it will change at least with Congress by then), my daughters will definitely by affected but I do NOT CARE about the people who voted for him – at all!!! My nephew in FL said immigrants are the best workers he has in his business, they work so hard. Kiss that goodbye! I have family on the ACA that need it. Buh bye! Yet, they don’t care about that too much-medical bills are not to be paid, ya know! I’m mad, sad, hurt and bewildered. My husband said most of the new voters voted Trump. 45% of Puerto Ricans voted Trump. Did they not listen to him? I DO NOT CARE!!!!! My heart breaks for those who voted Kamala and will be affected, no way to stop that. But as evil as it is, my friends and family that voted for him – may you be hit with the worst of it!
I’m hit with that same reality. I’m from NY as well, from one of the only counties outside of NYC to vote blue but I know so many of my family members throughout the state did vote for him, trying to hide behind “the economy.”
I’m glad Prop 1 passed, but it won’t hold with a federal abortion ban. A dismantling of our health care system (not just ACA but FDA, NIH and whatever else RFKJr wants to destroy) will affect all of us. (and spoiler for my relatives….that will affect the economy negatively too!).
I’m just so tired. I phone banked. I canvassed. I did social media. And my own demographic voted against ourselves. It’s going to be a long 4 years.
I am a US citizen who has lived in Mexico for 12 years. White boomer. Without FDA regulations, RFK Jr in charge of that, the NIH…there are going to be serious health problems in the states. I would stock up on medicines if I needed them.
So disappointed in my fellow white women. Blue bracelets are the new signal for dems so we can tell ourselves apart, by the way.
WELP. Tis’ what “the people” voted for. Cheers!
I haven’t been sober since Tuesday. I’m so distraught. But more even than that, I’m fucking angry. And I feel isolated. Alone. Incapable. Astonished. Bewildered. Sick, atrociously sick.
I’m sorry Mabs. I feel you. Im in a red area surrounded by maga. I lived in nyc for 15 years but moved back to be a badass auntie while family members had health problems. But for what? So they could vote trump? I’m not sleeping at night. I fall asleep then wake up 2 hours later and stay up all night. I too feel alone and angry and isolated and just unsafe. I don’t what to say except there are others out there just like you. Commenters here have been kind and supportive. But it’s a lot. Yeah, I just don’t know. Sending you virtual hugs fwiw.
It’s worth a lot. Our words mean everything. And imo, this is currently a safe place and all I can stomach probably for the unforeseeable future. I’ve already started thinking about entertainment viewing I might be able to watch without anxiety. It’s absurd, but it’s reality.
@Jais, Sending you air hugs. I wish I had a badass auntie, like you.
I made mentione of being a white Canadian woman married to an American husband for close to a decade yet still in the process of obtaining my green card although it’s been stalled by unforeseen hurdles for a while now in two other threads yesterday.
And yet, I am terrified down to my very bones of being deported and losing the life I’ve built with my husband here. I’ve gone through many panic attacks already and have slept very little since it came out he won. I’ve shed many distressed tears too, and everyone in my husband’s immediate family voted for Harris (in the deep red state of Florida).
I cannot imagine what it is like for Latinos, African-American, Asians and other minorities right now if even I am afraid of being taken away and do not even want to get out of the house to go eat out.
I try to stay positive and hopeful, I really do, but I cannot shake this fear. I want to, but it’s gripping me.
This fearmongering is real and he’s not even in office yet.
Yes, it is real. Out worst fears are materializing. I’m going to have to find my place in this new world order coming up.
I am a naturalized citizen. Lived in the US since 1980, but the rest of my family, husband & 3 kids, have birthright citizenship. Stephen Miller has already said they created a framework for de-naturalization. Will my marriage protect me? Who knows? What about my mom who’s 78 and also naturalized, but not married to an American citizen? Her husband was canadian but has passed away – maybe she can still go to Canada.
My husband (birthright) and his parents (naturalized immigrants) all voted for Trump. They are Taiwanese and they think he will protect Taiwan better than Biden/Harris.
If you are white then you aren’t in the first round of targets. Beyond that who knows.
Same here Mabs. Do you remember that scene in Independence day where Jeff goldblum gets hammered drunk while screaming into the void about nuclear winter happening? That’s me since Tuesday.
Right? I’ve been a wino since Tuesday
We see you. You’re not alone.
There are lots of comments from non black people in black content creators adding to band together despite their disappointment and anger. Why? Because you realize without the backing of black people you don’t have the numbers for your movement.
And they should’ve realized it sooner because us black women are THROUGH being mules for every movement, just to be left holding the bag every time. Good luck tho!
@Kelsey, your comment about black women being “mules” for every movement really hits home today. Who was on the forefront of pushing this country forward and attempting to find some justice for us all? The DA in GA, the AG in NY, two brave poll workers who took the lies to court, two amazing Federal Justices, and one particularly brave woman who ran for Pres. All black women. Now they have all been kicked in the head, along with everyone else who chose decency. I am so sorry. I wish I could change it. It’s not fair, and it’s not right. I just wanted you to know that I hear you and recognize the truth of your words.
My friend and his undocumented husband have spent years and tens of thousands of $$ in legal fees, etc. trying to get him legal status. They’re close to the last step. They are terrified. His husband fled his home country because being openly gay there invites a death sentence.
That’s really sad, but that’s also why the only advice I have is for all of us to lean on our friends, know who are friends are and who our friends aren’t. Because this kind of story is going to come up over and over again, and no one is going to care enough to do anything about. There are people who will openly try to get your friend’s partner deported if they know the story so I hope they are taking care who they associate with, and make contingency plans for themselves. I’m so sad to see that so many people are going to be completely on their own in situations like that. It’s the most vulnerable people who will be hurt first, and who the republican will applaud seeing hurt. I can only with they be smart and resourceful as they can.
Steve Bannon is online openly making a “hit list of who will be first”
Nazi!
Of course they are. Fascists need informant networks, don’t forget that. People with social media need to start cleaning up their pages and purging followers. I’m not kidding at all. Hunting people down is about to become a spectator sport. I wish I was wrong.
This right here is 100% true. Elon and Zuck and all the rest know everything about us. Enemies lists have been legalized. There’s nothing to stop any of this now. I’m honestly surprised that Trump isn’t sitting in the oval office today. He could very easily walk in–who’s going to stop him?
He should start with Kyle Foregard of Nelk Brothers and Elon Miusk
Good. Sorry, but I said it. Good.
Some of these people need to have the leopards eat their faces.
Leopards have begun eating their faces. Companies are already telling their employees they won’t be getting bonuses because they need to stock up in anticipation of the Trump tariffs.
Oh my goodness. The fool is not even in office yet and they’re starting with this?
We should start a deport Melania first campaign. And then her son bc he’s also the son of a immigrant
Don’t get me started!! I teach adult immigrants(the BEST students💙) and the number who supported Trump was shocking. Even the Muslim men! I am like, Dude, don’t you know you’ll be the first to go bc he hates you! They mostly fell pray to the propaganda and think he’s a great businessman. I have a trans family member who didn’t vote “It won’t matter.”) and is now carrying on about 45🙄🤬 it just goes on and on….our population needs better information and critical thinking skills and to move on from misogyny and racism. I am worried for our future.
I teach 1984 to high school students. My students read it over the summer, and we had great discussions over it. When we talked about the thought police and telescreens, they came to realize that all the apparatus and infrastructure for a spy network already exists. All we need is a malignant government to turn all of the data they have collected on us all against us collectively. Welp, that malignant government is here. The only thing I take solace in right now, in my rage, that very few people who voted for trump will actually be safe. Anyone who isn’t rich and white and an evangelical Christian is fair game
He only cares about the rich.
The beginning of a Portuguese newspaper article (roughly translated)
“Donald Trump will have free reign in his appointments to the courts and to Administration positions. The possibility of the United States moving towards being a Hungarian-style illiberal democracy (Viktor Orbán was the first to congratulate him) might be undervalued.”
It’s very, very bad for the USA and bad for the rest of the world.
Another article (from Brazil):
Historian Sylvie Laurent is one of the great French experts on the United States. She teaches at Sciences Po Paris, in addition to collaborating with the North American universities of Harvard and Stanford. In the books Capital et race: histoire d’une hydre moderne, published earlier this year, and Pauvre petit blanc, from 2020, Laurent describes the centrality of slavery and racism in the genesis of capitalism and the construction of North American identity.
I’ve seen several social media posts justifying voting for Trump (who declare they are not racist!) and they say the economy and high food and gas prices are why the voted for him. Do they not realize that mass deportations will create a labor shortage and spike prices for food and other commodities????
It’s going to be hard to feel Any empathy for these people who voted Trump and then have to see their families round up and get deported, lose social security and Medicare, have to pay higher taxes as they’re not the top 1%, get used to lower wage, deny women’s rights and think racism is ok. I’m now wondering if his proposal for no taxes on tips mean that’s the base income as employers won’t be obliged to pay a base salary.
Muting all these MAGAs so when they whine and complain, they can whine and complain by themselves.