From what I hear of France’s domestic political situation, President Macron is getting his ass handed to him on a regular basis. But his presidency has been marked by his internationalism, and his ability to showcase France in the best light on an international stage. He is, frankly, really good at the diplomatic and foreign policy part of his job. It was so smart for the French government to stage a huge celebration for the reopening of Notre Dame, after a five-year restoration-and-repair job following the 2019 fire. Macron invited world leaders and titans of business to attend. Every major attendee got a photo with President Macron and Madame Macron inside the cathedral. Special VIPs also got a special greeting at Palais de l’Élysée.
Well, Prince William did not get the special VIP greeting at Elysee. That was seemingly reserved for Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy. First, Macron outmaneuvered Trump’s stupid handshake sh-t, then Macron made Trump and Zelenskyy pose together. This speaks volumes about Macron’s concern and NATO’s concern about what the incoming Trump administration is going to do about Ukraine. Macron is openly trying to influence Trump to NOT do whatever Putin tells him to do.
The Macrons did give Prince William his own photo-op inside the cathedral. In case you’re looking at President Macron and William and wondering what the age difference is… Macron turns 47 years old in two weeks. William just turned 42 in June. William looks about ten years older. William was supposed to meet with First Lady Jill Biden before the reopening ceremony, but that meeting was canceled because of the weather. They did speak inside the cathedral, and Trump and William also shook hands on camera. Kensington Palace briefed everyone far and wide that William is an emerging statesman and that he met with Jill Biden and Donald Trump to “discuss the special relationship between the U.S. and the U.K.” Some people theorized that William probably brought up deporting Harry from the US. Sh-t, I don’t know. It sounds like something he would do.
The Prince of Wales has become the first member of the Royal Family to meet @realDonaldTrump since he became President Elect. The pair have met in Paris at the re-opening of Notre Dame. The PE told the media William ‘was doing a fantastic job’. pic.twitter.com/LxPoyzrAjn
— Rebecca English (@RE_DailyMail) December 7, 2024
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He always looks like a thirsty individual needing to get the photos out of the way so he can run to social media. Cyril Ramaphosa made fun of this when he visited SA,they know they are props and NO significant DISCUSSION will take place.
Can’t tell which man, trump or billy boy, you’re talking about. What you say fits both!
Omg @BeanieBean, you’re right, it does apply to them both! ☠️
William is such a pitiful looking human , but Trump seems to like him .
They will probably do something between them to endanger Harry , birds of a feather and all that .
William can’t do a thing. I don’t think Trump would want that can of worms opened
There’s nothing they can do, period. William is powerless to push Trump, and Harry’s issues with the Heritage Foundation have been summarily dismissed and thrown out of court. Trump has bigger fish to fry like trying to explain away his choice of rapists, drunks, Putin-lovers, Musk’s fake RBG PAC, Pam Bondi, Peter Hegseth, Matt Gaetz, Kash Patel and the various criminals he’s tried to wedge into his cabinet. It’s going to be a constant legal battle for the next 4 years.
hope you are doing well today, Jaded.
Thanks @therese — doing OK and about to the shops for a few groceries!
William looked very uncomfortable with Trump. I am sure that Charles refused to attend and William was pushed to do this. It could be a sign that William will be the key royal to see out the reign of Trump.
Welcome to four more years of this bullshit. KMN.
My exact thought. 😑
Yep for more years or more if he tries to stay longer.
I hate this so much.
Macron turns 47 years old in two weeks. William just turned 42 in June. William looks about ten years older
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Agreed! I would add that in some of the pictures with Trump who is pushing 80, William looks to be in the same age range!
What? Sure William doesn’t look as good Macron but that’s ridiculous to say he looks 80. We get it, you don’t like him.
42+10=52…where the comment says anything about 80;
The comment above says William looks in the same age range as trump who is almost 80
I disagree about William looking older— he lost whatever scant handsomeness he had when he lost his hair, but to me he has this look of being the child in the room because it’s clear that he hasn’t earned any wisdom.
I find he doesn’t look much younger than his uncle Edward.
That beard ages him
Posting this here because I need to tell someone and it’s related to the beard lol. So last night I was at my husband’s corporate work party. It’s a fairly buttoned up affair and I would assume there are some republicans in the mix.
Out of nowhere a bunch of wives start talking about how much they HATE William’s beard lol. They HATE him for throwing Kate under the bus with the pics and not appearing in the cancer video. I was standing there internally cackling with glee.
Amazing @snaggletooth. I’ve got no poker face so I would’ve been making all the faces!
Yup, he doesn’t look older than Macron, but like a badly aging man-child.
“Bring your child to work” day, huh?
Only Pa had better things to do — publish the CIII and Queen Side Piece’s Christmas card. No idea who overshadowed whom, as both things were quite inconsequential.
The video of Harry’s brother though waiting for Felon #47 at the embassy was too funny, the way he straightened his tie like for a date. But hey, apprentice statesman in training — even if other *real* heads of states went out of their way so they didn’t have to shake the Felon’s or Bulliam’s hand.
In fairness to William, this is something Charles would have done when the Queen was alive. This and D-Day is William finally stepping into the PoW role his father did for so long. This is his job, he has to do it.
He does look a little deer in the headlights out of place though. He really should have practiced more.
The coverage by the rota is really infantilizing too. Charles did meet some questionable people as PoW but I don’t seem to recall the coverage making it look like big boy finally did a poo type stuff that we are getting here.
Charles was not lazy as prince of wales like William is.
They said on French TV that Camilla, not William was supposed to be there but canceled for health reasons. Global statesman was just a substitute.
He looks like he lost all self confidence in the last few years. Instead of stepping up as a statesman he seems to be regressing. I cnn announced his meeting with Trump in 2 sentences , most of which came from Trump praising him for existing. KP should have given William and the press some talking points.
I agree, his vibe is extremely sheepish. I’m sure he’s a nasty shit to be around, but he does seem diminished. I think it was the comments about COVID in Ireland that first made me see him this way and now I see it in everything he does.
@Snaggletooth
I can’t recall when I started noticing it, but he definitely wasn’t always like this. He had the confidence of someone who had nothing to prove. What can possibly bring this on at his age? I’m sure he is still surrounded by yes ppl and enablers. Is it the substance abuse getting out of hand? Is it that something he did had actual consequences for the first time in his life? (Harry leaving and succeeding). This gradual regression reminds me of Christian Bale in The Machinist. Like something is eating at him from inside. It sounds a bit dramatic, but that’s what it looks like when you see his appearances over time.
Why isn’t Zelenskyy dressed for a state affair? I actually kind of love that he’s in a sweatshirt. He always seems to me like he just has no time for BS and he’s not wearing a tie to pose with Putin’s boy toy.
He said he will wear this version of combat clothes until there is peace again in Ukraine.
Zelensky was there for diplomatic reasons as his country is at war. Him swanning in wearing a suit could have risked him losing support of the Western nations and affected moral in the Ukraine IMO.
His country is at war – he is doing the rounds whenever and wherever he can to get the support he needs. I have so much admiration for him, and frankly don’t care what he wears.
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Zelenskey was a comedian before he was a politician, and his sitcom Servant of the People is still on Netflix. He plays a high school teacher who is elected as an unwilling president by a write-in vote, and really highlights how deep corrution runs in Ukraine, and how Russia looms over the country. I watched it before he was elected; it’s an amazing example of life imitating art.
Thanks for the responses! I have so much respect for him, and I genuinely feel bad that he has to maintain a diplomatic approach dealing with Putin’s puppet. That orange monster deserves to be on the receiving end of whatever Zelensky could dish out, as a leader, a patriot, a truly ethical human being, and let’s not forget a professional comedian. He could bring that fool to tears. If only.
Poor Zelensky having to pose with horrible tRump! Poor us, poor world. (I’m still holding on to hope that something comes to light and things change before Inauguration day).
I almost feel sorry for William with that cheeto finger almost poking at him, but nah, that’s the sort of thing that a global statesman has to handle.
It won’t matter. Trump is teflon until he’s inaugurated. Then, the clock is ticking on which method Musk & Thiel enact to get him out of office to install their little puppet Bowman. My only hope at this point is that the billionaires aren’t interested in mass deportation or destroying all social progress. Because all they really care about is an unrestrained free market.
@JanetDR – Makes a change from Willy poking his finger at everyone else.
A very late in the day question: I continue to wonder what would happen if Trump were to step out — for any of a number of reasons— BEFORE the inauguration. Would the Republicans get to —or have to — inaugurate Vance? Would we get to —or have to —have another election, and start from scratch? Would the Speaker of the House get to run things? Would / Could Biden stay in office — empowered by the Supreme Court while any of a number of unprecedented options got resolved?
My completely unlikely fantasy has Trump retiring for medical reasons BEFORE the inauguration, and the American people demanding a re-do and Medicare for All.
Yes, they would have to inaugurate Bowman. That’s where we are. This presidency belongs to the pugnins no matter what happens. But I suspect most of them want to dump orange and get back to being mainstream pugnins. Which will happen very soon. I do hope they amendment 25 him. He’ll never go to prison but he’ll be an international joke and that’s the last thing he’ll know in life.
Thanks @mightymolly. Bummer.
@mightymolly – Who is Bowman?
@Deborah1 – That’s his birth name. He’s changed his name a few times, settling on his mother’s maiden name. There’s nothing at all wrong with that, except that he thinks women have no value other than for their uteruses and basically doesn’t think women should exist beyond their fertile years. So yeah, call him by his bio dad’s name. (Remember that he opposes IVF, no fault divorce, and most forms of family structure other than a household headed by the biological father).
William looks way too eager and giddy both in the video and in the photos. With trump you need to counter his power games. Macron and Trudeau do it well. William just completely ceded the power to trump here. Embarrassing for the UK.
Could not agree more. William was too eager, too giddy and embarassing for a future King . And where was William seated. Even Ashley is in the front seat.
You’re a 100% right Tina; i don’t know why the UK home office didn’t brief him on this. Trump is a narcissist who wants everyone bowing at his feet; real statespeople know how to deal with him in a way to not puff his ego even more. I was really surprised to see someone post on Twitter that KP posted a picture of William with him smiling on a couch on Instagram; it makes William look thirsty and weak.
William is also a narcissist who doesn’t read his briefing notes.
YA’ll the simplest explanation for Wills acting like a goofy ass fan is because he IS a goofy ass fan. He likes Trump. Why would he act differently?
William is simply not cut out for the international stage. He has zero interest and would be happier at home watching TV. He appears to have no real intellectual interests. He is the opposite of his father.
It’s interesting to see the change in tone of the British press from the last time William was in the same room with Trump. When Trump made that state visit in 2019, the British press said that William and Kate were very careful not to be photographed with Trump and they even refused to go the luncheon. Now it’s such a good thing that he met with Trump and it’s a sign that he’s a global statesman.
@Amy Bee – Back in 2019 William was perhaps remembering Trump’s lascivious remarks about his mother, Princess Diana. Things appear to have changed now Bulliam has called his mother paranoid.
He also made some gross comments when the topless photos of Kate were published— in addition to his crude remarks about Diana — but I guess Billy has a short memory.
He has no choice. You could see from his body language that he was not comfortable during the encounter.
@Lorelei – Yes, you’re right. IIRC it was more about what Trump said about Kate than what he said about Diana.
Trump is wearing fascist colors: yellow tie with the black suit. Considering the far right is a huge problem in Europe and France and Germany will have elections soon, this is absolutely a statement. I’m afraid that Macron’s pairing is not going to work.
Macron did not want to work with all of the voters who elected him (as the less horrible option to the far right). HE’s pissed a ton of people off.
As to Russia, Europe is worried about what’s going to happen. The Netherlands is at the other side of Europe, and we’re starting to be warned to prepare in case of war: https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/12/have-emergency-supplies-at-home-ministers-tell-the-dutch/
I don’t care about Egg being there.
This is what white people wanted. Now they’re getting it.
Sorry, Im confused, the yellow tie is a color of fascism or a color of a far right party? I did think the yellow tie was an odd choice but I didn’t realize it was being read that way.
To me it looked like he dressed to match the room. Though I’m not sure how he’d know the color scheme of the room he’d be photographed in; that would take a competent staff & trump never hires competency he hired sycophancy.
Black and gold are the colors of The Proud Boys, the white, christo-fascist, Neo-nazi group.
That yellow tie looks gold to me, and we all know how much he loves his gold. He probably wanted to remind all the world leaders and royalty how rich and important and bigly he is with that golden tie. Nothing fascist about that, just straight up narcissist.
Some on Bluesky thought he was trying to ape the blue and gold colors of Ukraine. I doubt that very much. The fascism themed colors seems much more likely.
Trump doesn’t even a little bit have to pretend he’s concerned about the Ukraine now. Zelenskyy certainly isn’t buying it.
@MightyMolly, Ukraine is a sovereign nation. When it was a territory of the Soviet Union, it was “the Ukraine.”
Trump wouldn’t know “fascist colors” if you hit him over the head with the fascist handbook. He’s wearing a gold tie and his suit is blue – it’s his overcoat that looks black.
And yes, the EU’s got big problems – its two most powerful countries, France and Germany are in political and financial disarray. And, after all these decades, the EU still hasn’t figured out its security issues. They need the US and Trump’s the president they have to deal with.
How would anyone know what Trump knows. He is friendly with the far right. They may have told him. Trump is not stupid… He knew what the Americans wanted to hear.
Everyone seems to be dressed in black or black and gold. I wonder if there was a suggested dress code.
Gold/yellow is the colour of celebration in roman Catholic Church. For weddings, special occasions and festivals, the priest use to wear yellow/gold.
@ML, Read the article; thanks for sharing it. That is alarming.
@ML – Thanks for that. I live in the Netherlands.
Thank you for sharing the article @ML. That last quote gave me a shiver of recognition:
“…not at war, but ‘no longer at peace’.” Oof.
He shares the same values as Trump so no surprise he’d be tripping over his feet to meet him. He’s so thirsty and desperate for attention, respect and adoration. Stupid and ugly…pick a struggle Willy.
Last time Trump was President, William avoided meeting him, everyone said it was because of the comments he’d made about Diana.
@Cairidh – I think it was more likely the comments Trump made about Kate when the topless photos were published.
I saw other pictures, Willy with a big grin on his face, totally fanboying over trump. He so reminds me of czar nicolas the last of russia he has the worst instincts….
Agreed. He, Nicholas, made the wrong decision at each step and look where it got him. Wills is the same. His rationale is obscured by his emotions and entitlement.
From my perspective he is hating every minute of it. William is not a people person at the best of times, and it was clearly difficult.
We don’t need a “special” relationship with the UK, thank you very much.
To me, Peg looked uncomfortable. Trump looks like he knows he’s dealing with a moronic lightweight here.
I would love to know what went down, if anything, with Dr. Jill. Remember, all indications are that she read Spare. she was photographed with a copy . Heheheheh.
The special relationship stuff is because Britain stopped being the superpower when their empire ended in the early 20th century and the U.S. placates them. Or they used to because president orange buffoon knows that the states are the more powerful country in terms of military power and economic power and will likely be a dick about it.
UK is still one of the Five Eyes.
Kirk, yes it is. I don’t think we should underestimate the value of the intelligence from the UK.
So is Canada, NZ and Australia. Of all the countries Canada has the largest trade relationship and the longest border without military control. They even share military resources for NORAD. If anything the special relationship is with Canada at least for now, but the UK is the one who needs the status because of their egos. The reality is that the four eyes will have to protect their intelligence from the U.S. once Putin’s puppet takes power.
Dr. Biden is an educated career woman in a room full of men who think women are just for decoration. She’s a stronger person than me.
I read that Madame Macron kept Trump away from her friend Dr Jill Biden. Women taking care of women.
That’s not true. There’s a picture of Trump and Jill next to each other in the church looking very friendly.
Libra, I saw that she sat between Dr. Biden and Dumf.
The Macron’s body language spoke volumes. Flotus arrived and the Macron’s were smiling, laughing, and keeping her close in their personal space. Trump on the other hand aggressively kisses Madame Macron, he takes her hand and she took a BIG step back. Trump gives Macron one appropriate handshake and a minute later doing his crass arm wrestling thing like a dipshit. Seating him between the Macrons looked like they had to care for a toddler lest he act up during the ceremony.
Ewww. They’re so gross. And why does even trump have better posture than William? William’s bad posture, leaning forward and looking giddy af. A mess. Two deeply gross and unattractive men.
trump looks like he’s leaning to the left, both as he was standing next to Macron & as he was sitting on the sofa in the photos with Billy.
@Jais – Trump often leans forward for some strange reason.
While there are multiple factors that can impact posture, it’s not lost on me that certain issues with posture are associated with dementia.
@Blithe – Yes, that’s what I read too. Frontal lobe dementia.
Trump loves the pageantry of the royals, so he’ll want another state visit. William loves looking like a statesman, so of course he jumped at this opportunity. Although, to be in his position is odd, considering the stuff Trump has said about Diana and even Kate.
I still maintain that if I didn’t know any better, I would think William is the one who is ill. He looks gaunt as hell and I feel the beard is a way to distract from that.
Your last paragraph 💯💯
The only good thing to come of Willy getting his picture taken with Stump is now everyone know DT isn’t 6’3″
Not without his lifts, certainly. Lord, how I hate that fucker.
At almost 80 years old, he wouldn’t still be 6’3″. I met Trump a few times back when I was in investment banking – he was selling some real estate deals, which we did not buy. But he was very, very tall then – didn’t make him a good person, just tall.
He was shorter than Trudeau by a few inches from 2016 on and Trudeau is 6’2’. At best he was around 6 feet in his 40s but he has shrunk from old age. This guy lies about everything so taking anything he says as true isn’t wise.
@Nic919 – I’ve stood next to him (not recently, of course) and he seemed over 6 feet to me. Maybe not 6’3″, but a head taller than I am and I’m 5’2″ if I really stretch it. In the recent photo with Melania and Barron, he was still a bit taller that Melania – she’s 5’10” or 5’11” and was wearing high heels.
@Eurydice – Trump was probably wearing high heels too.
Exactly what I was thinking. He has lost some height. His neck has about disappeared.
If you have to constantly brief to the media that you are a global statesman then you are not a global statesman. William will forever belong at the kiddie table.
The rota act like NK media when they cover this and really shows that they are not real journalists.
Trump doesn’t care about William but his ego enjoyed the attention. William did not look like a future king here but someone courting favour. It’s pathetic more than anything and the derangers online are trying to pretend it isn’t humiliating. What this man has said about William’s mother and wife is grotesque. But Billy and his pretend delusions of being a statesman don’t seem to care.
What is even happening here? Why was Trump invited to this event? We only have one president at a time, and right now, it’s not Trump. Meanwhile, he is swanning around like our head of state, sending emissaries hither and yon, and, just generally acting like he’s in charge. Other world leaders should be informed by the State Department that this 🍊🤡 has no authority to do anything until noon on January 20th.
Btw, William is such an asshat. So thirsty for attention from a fascist.
Huevo doesn’t actually want to BE a global statesman, he just wants to be SEEN as one. All the perks, none of the work. Pathetic.
Generally speaking, the sitting President gets first right of refusal, then Vice President, and if both are too busy (or don’t want to go) then, providing it’s a relatively lightweight event such as this, the President Elect (if there is one at the time) may or may not get the invite.
I’d like to know who paid for this trip. Jill traveled as an official emissary of the US, but trump? He’s nothing official just yet, but were we taxpayers stuck with the bill for his travel & his security & their travel?
And @FlamingHot: but Jill went, so I’m guessing if FLOTUS goes there’s no need for the president-elect, right? Or do we ignore the value of women?
Jill is a very nice lady, but she doesn’t have any political power. Whether we like it or not, Trump is the next president and the US is still an important player in global security – people need the US. I have no problem with Trump meeting and exchanging views with leaders who aren’t his kiss-ass cronies.
As for security – the Secret Service always protects the president-elect and the vice president-elect. Although they haven’t done a great job so far in this instance.
Of course you’re right that Trump’s presence wasn’t required in any way but Macron and this crowd knows this buffoon well. Letting him swan around now is easier than being on his vindictive side later.
Biden was in Angola and he likely let Macron invite orange baby because he knows Macron can work on him about Ukraine and NATO stuff. Trump liked the big parade when he visited France last time so this is diplomacy in action.
None of the head of governments were there anyway. Starmer, Trudeau etc. weren’t there. Zelenskyy was but again macron was likely working an angle there for the war in Ukraine.
William has a 24 yr and counting internship to become king and that appearance with Trump shows he”s out of his depth. Trump sizes up people he deals with and he sees William as a future head of state he can dog walk. The UK is also facing tarrifs, 10-20% increase on British goods, and the Bank of England is not sure how to counter it. The UK government pinning its hopes in William is a mistake. William swung on Trump for his comments on Kate’s nude pictures; and William wrote a letter to the girlfriend of the fallen Capitol Police officer who died ad the results of the January 6 insurrection. Don’t think Trump hasn’t forgotten that.As for Harry’s visa, Trump won’t do anything to Harry unless he gets something out of it personally, like a lucrative long term financial deal in the UK or a Commonwealth country. Owning a future British monarch will be quite a coup for Trump.
I don’t think owning a monarch in a constitutional monarchy yields him anything.
I don’t think that they have talked about Harry, at least not seriously. The UK has bigger problems (Musk, Trump’s buddy, is constantly attacking the Starmer government), and Trump has more important perceived “enemies”. But keep in mind that Trump’s fascist experiment on the USA could become so bad that maybe Harry don’t want to raise his kids there anymore. Well, we are not there yet and it might only be a temporary thing to sit out, but we’ll see. A good thing is that Harry & Meghan are in California, a state that will resist as long as it can.
Bettina, it’s not just California. It’s the states with blue legislatures and state officials, too. These blue states are going to hold the line when the Orange Clown and cohorts attempt to do much of what they think they’ll get done. They’ll be stopped with the numerous lawsuits that will be coming their way. That happened in his first term and I think there will be more this time.
CA has already put aside the first 25M specially earmarked for lawsuits against Felon 47 and his Clown Car Cabinet Cohorts.
Thankfully Invictus is coming to the UK and not the US.
All I’ve got is I want hat embroidered black coat. Gorgeous.
The group is useless.
Yes! That coat is gorgeous!
@KC – That’s the first thing I noticed in that photo. It’s fabulous!
He is a man without merit, without achievement and without a positive personality. He is there because the monarchy has amassed wealth over centuries through power and the conquest of people, peoples and countries. He does not deserve to be there. When will we stop kneeling before such people?
Our much-loved, breathtaking, wonderful Europe. Full of mistakes, full of errors but also full of beauty and full of wonders. It is so much more than all the fascists and dictators that threaten it. It has cathedrals like Notre Dame, it has stunning architecture, art, philosophy, science and people seeking justice, empathy and freedom in every country. Men like Trump or Musk will never understand Europe. We Europeans must stay together, we must not allow ourselves to be divided any further.
Interesting observations, @Maja. Are you suggesting that the Marshall Plan was a bad idea? Or NATO? Or the support that the US has given Ukraine? If so, “men like Trump…” — the son of a European immigrant , the grandson of European immigrants, and the husband of two European immigrants — would probably agree with you on at least some of those points.
Well said!
@Fröhlich
I am talking about the fact that the next four years will be a very difficult time for Europe. What you are projecting into my words does not correspond to what I have written.
No one said Americans don’t understand Europe, but two criminals, Musk and Trump. They are greedy capitalists who want to destroy any country that opposes them.
And if I recall Germany kicked out the Drumpf ancestor who was a deserter and criminal.
Thanks Nic919 and Maja for clarifying. I did read that — incorrectly— as “We Europeans” vs Americans, and was horrified that anyone would view Trump and Musk as being truly representative of America. I do, realize, though, that the reality of what a second Trump presidency will mean to Europe and to the world hasn’t fully hit me yet.
I apologize for misreading and misunderstanding your comments @Maja.
I’m also realizing, reading and re-reading your comments, that the reality of what it means to be an “American “ — and how we will be viewed throughout the world — is rapidly changing, in negative ways. The incoming administration is all about chaos and destruction. Not only will they want to destroy any countries that oppose them, they want to destroy entities that resist them within the United States as well.
@Nic919, when I lived in New York City, many years ago, the first thing I heard about the Trump family was that they were horrible people who were racist and didn’t pay their bills. The second thing was that Trump deliberately and callously destroyed treasured historic art works in his rush to build his Trump Tower. It looks like the American Trumps are a lot like their ancestor.
https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/09/trump-files-when-donald-destroyed-priceless-art-build-trump-tower/
My comment was directed at @Maja. I’ll say it again – well said! I am a European too and we Europeans feel Trump is a serious threat to NATO. If he pulls the rug out from under Ukraine, we will all be at the mercy of Putin.
@Nic919 – You are absolutely correct in saying Musk and Trump don’t understand Europe, despite the fact that Musk has had a British wife and Trump has had two East European ones and a Scottish mother. Trump’s paternal grandfather fled Germany rather than fight in WWI. You are right too in saying that Musk and Trump are greedy capitalists who want to destroy any country that opposes them. Musk’s beef with the British labour government is getting out of hand. He’s offered the Far Right UK Reform Party $100 million dollars to destabilise my country.
Big Willie is so pumped to be shaking all the hands. Take that my brother – I AM hanging out with the big boys and girls and you are not.
Meanwhile they all see him for what he is.. lazy and without any real power or rizz.
Thanks for the explanation that Will was a late sub for his stepmother. Papers were making a big fuss over the invitation but as stated up thread this is exactly the type of event PoW should be used to doing as rep of the monarchy. Trump patting him on the head must be such an encouragement for our global statesman and king to be!
The handshake with Macron and Trump is super weird. It looks like Trump is trying to strong-arm Macron and he won’t let him?
That is exactly what Trump is known for – that lunge of his. Great shot of it not working well for him!
Actually Big Willie avoided it too – his hand is firmly closed over Trumps in one of the pics. Haha – and Willie’s hands are bigger!!
What concerns me is that PW had a PRIVATE meeting with Trump at the British Embassy before the Notre Dame opening ceremony. So what was discussed, I wonder? I have my own views on that. One thing’s for sure, Trump lies about his height as well as everything else. In a photo of them standing side by side PW, who is reportedly 6’3″ is a few inches taller than Trump.
Someone on social media said that 6’3″ is obviously different in the UK than in the US. 😂🤣
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@Deborah1 – My guess is W was after photo ops in the U.S. next year, to stick it to Harry.
I was just looking at some photos from a couple years ago with Macron and VP Harris. They are sitting next to each other and he is melting as he looks at her. Imagine going from dealing with her and her warm smile to dealing with the toxic waste dump that is Trump. I feel badly for him but not as badly as I feel for us.
I wonder if the princeling kissed the ring of the emperor when they met behind closed doors at the British Embassy in Paris?
French person here, please stop being blinded by Macron’s diplomatic skills. Most people could be good with diplomatic skills AND on the domestic front, it’s not his case. It’s a terrible look for him to be so welcoming with foreign rich fascists and bigots while at the same time treating the vast majority of his own people like utter crap. He was on primetime tv the other night just to tell us that nothing would change politically and that he would not be respecting the results of our last elections. Stellar president truly.
I think those of us not American have some sympathy though because orange idiot is an unstable baby man. Trudeau is facing criticism too at home (most of it created by right wing media) but at the end of the day, he is stuck placating a malignant narcissist. And no leader in Canada or elsewhere in democracies in Europe or the rest of the world will be able to really control him. He only submits to dictators. Macron is doing what he can in a bad situation and orange baby did like the parade he was given last time he went to France, so this kind of thing is in his small minded wheelhouse.
Was Trump too frail and exhausted to touch-up his roots? Yikes.
All the Biden is too old stuff is going to comeback tenfold on orange baby man. He’s not healthy for his age at all. They won’t be able to hide it forever. Won’t be shocked if they try for a 25th amendment in a year or so.
He does not look good at all. For his age or generally. I think he looked slightly better during the campaign, he aged in the last few weeks. I think a president Vance is in the cards.
I am across a picture of William with trump in side profile, and William was bent, he looked old, and his suit seem to hang on him. I do wonder what is physically wrong with him.
It’s also interesting the Brigitte Macron stands as far away from Trump as possible and still be in the same frame. And her facial expressions really seem to reflect her feelings Trump.
I am all for Willy being thrown into the deep end. He will, of course, have to unlock those hands that are constantly clasped protectively over his genitals in order to thrash and flail about. You know what they say about bullies, they are cowards. Get out there, and bring all your insecurities, and fall on your face, and maybe you will learn real compassion, rather than performative. I was shocked at pictures I saw yesterday of Willie, and for the first time, saw for myself how thin he is. Would one lose a lot of weight if they gave up drinking? HIs is not the look of a statesman, but a supplicant child. Oh well, you have to start somewhere, and if he is terrified, maybe he will come to some humility and compassion and start growing up, and leave off on his brother.
One would lose a lot of weight if they are on cocaine or methamphetamines.
I love Jill Biden look as she shakes Williams hand./She is looking at him saying to herself . What a bad brother you’ve been to Harry.Jill is one of the people that has throughly read Spare.
Elon was Trumps plus one. Tells you a lot what’s going to happen these next 4 years. And the fact that Trump said he won because of grocery prices – isn’t it obvious one piece of exaggerated data like egg prices on SM went Very far, thanks to technological tools that spread the word- these people own Trump. They can also ruin him.
As for meeting W closed doors, I won’t be surprised if that includes formal visits to DC and the White House. We know he has this 1 sided competition with H, and H has pretty much taken on America. For W, it’s more like America is mine.
After seeing Jill and Brigitte faces around wank, these two women definitely believed everything Harry wrote. I am so happy Harry wrote spare and exposed wank for the wanker he is . Second, I am convinced that wank has a baking soda problem. He looks grey under the eye. Not like I know that’s a sign or not but judging by the drastic weight loss. Someone is awfully powdery around Willy the small r racist.
William liked all the fawning over him by Trump. Huevo was called so handsome by Trump. And he bought into it . Ghastly