Last week, UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was gunned down in Manhattan by a masked shooter. The shooter shot Thompson using a silencer, and the shooter then left the scene on a bicycle and disappeared in Central Park. The NYPD swore up and down that they had leads, but it took them three days to find the shooter’s backpack, which was full of Monopoly money. Basically, I think most people sort of believed that the investigation would limp along for months, because the NYPD kept publishing various photos of white guys wearing different jackets and claiming that they were all the same shooter. Anyway, we were wrong? The NYPD really was investigating and they found the guy. Well, they found a guy and he does seem to fit some kind of profile. They arrested a guy improbably named Luigi Mangione inside of a Pennsylvania McDonald’s. He was carrying a gun and Luigi seems to have written some kind of manifesto.
A 26-year-old Maryland native has been arrested on gun charges and for questioning in connection with last week’s killing of a health insurance executive in Midtown Manhattan that prompted a manhunt up and down the East Coast, the New York Police Department said.
The man being questioned was identified as Luigi Mangione, the police commissioner, Jessica Tisch, said at a news briefing on Monday afternoon. Mr. Mangione is scheduled to appear in court in Blair County, Pa., at 6 p.m. Monday for a preliminary arraignment on gun charges, according to court officials.
He was arrested in a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pa., after an employee recognized him and called the authorities at about 9:15 a.m. The police had shared a steady stream of photos of the man believed to be the gunman since the shooting.
“He was sitting there eating,” Joseph Kenny, the Police Department’s chief of detectives, said at the briefing.
Mr. Mangione was carrying a gun, a silencer and false identification cards similar to those they believe the killer used in New York, according to one of the law enforcement officials and a person briefed on the investigation. Mr. Mangione showed the police the same fake New Jersey identification that the man believed to be the gunman presented when he checked into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan on Nov. 24, a senior law enforcement official said. The gun appears to be a so-called ghost gun, assembled from parts that may have been made from a 3-D printer, Chief Kenny said.
Mr. Mangione was also carrying a handwritten manifesto that criticized health care companies for putting profits above care, according to two law enforcement officials.
He was born and raised in Maryland, and has lived in San Francisco and Honolulu, the police said. Mr. Mangione attended Gilman School in Baltimore, a private high school, where he wrestled and graduated in 2016 as the class valedictorian. He earned both a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree in engineering at the University of Pennsylvania and graduated in 2020. His major was in computer science, and he minored in mathematics. He has not been charged in connection with the killing.
Like many 20-somethings, Luigi has an extensive digital footprint and people are already doing deeper dives into his Twitter account (where he seems right-wing but not exactly MAGA) and his Goodreads account (where he apparently read the Unabomber’s manifesto and gave it four out of five stars). What else… Luigi has been charged now and he’s being held without bail. They also released one of the most thirst-trappy mugshots I’ve ever seen in my life!! And yes, the Italian-American community is now locked in and following this story closely. *Italian hand gesture*
The mugshot of Luigi Mangione has been released. pic.twitter.com/VVVzdrMYoO
— Pop Base (@PopBase) December 9, 2024
Me finding out they arrested a man named Luigi Mangione as the alleged UCH assassin pic.twitter.com/pD3CqcXd5q
— Lolo (@LolOverruled) December 9, 2024
Social media photos of Luigi.
This is not directed at you, just the overall media response to this situation! But the powers that be and the media are working so hard to ignore the solidarity most of us feel with the shooter (IF this is indeed him which I’m not convinced!) I’m seeing stories about how he was an elite/grew up rich and like… so? He may just be a catalyst for long-overdue change in our healthcare systems. I hope this isn’t swept under the rug because that will make people even angrier.
I’m European and we have universal healthcare (mostly, with questionable quality but still) and I have heard and read a lot about the unjust US healthcare system. And yet, I was completely shocked by the Pandora’s box that it opened. The stories that come out are heartbreaking, and the apparent scale of it too. Like, these horrible stories seem to be the everyday reality in American hospitals?
And the way news outlets shut up so fast about compassion for the victim is very telling. Kathy Hochul is the only public person who didn’t notice and told ppl off for their visceral reaction from her ivory tower.
I’m very curious about how this story will develop on the healthcare system front and how hard they will throw the book at this guy. It does look like it was him, and despite being apparently very intelligent with a precise plan, he still kept all the evidence on his person. It IS wrong to take someone’s life, and yet I feel awful for him for throwing his seemingly amazing life away like he did.
On Bluesky these things are talked about a lot.
I’m getting a lot of my news and normal people’s opinions now from Bluesky and also Celebitchy.
Sick of the maga echo chamber that’s twitter or most mainstream media.
I’m actually seeing a fair amount of coverage of this issue. I think even the NTY had an article about it.
It’s sickens me that you would show solidarity for a murderer. Even though we can all agree that insurance companies are greedy and egregious., there is no excuse to shoot a person in cold blood. this is the same reason why I am against the death penalty.
Well good for you. Is the view nice from your soapbox? May you never have a family member die or suffer due to fools like this CEO.
Honest question ionio: this mans (ceo) direct decisions resulted in thousands of peoples death. Denied claims no healthcare. Misery otherwise (bankruptcy, worse). Are you disgusted with him? (I am).
If it sickens you I suggest you take some medication, if your insurance company will give you access to it.
“there is no excuse to shoot a person in cold blood. this is the same reason why I am against the death penalty.”
Wut? I’m sorry but this is completely illogical. The death penalty is NOT “an eye for-an-eye” because it’s execution by the state. For that reason, I’m opposed to it like I am opposed to police violence or war.
An actual eye-for-eye would be more similar to this example of vigilante justice.
And obviously I understand the moral, social and practical conundrum it would represent, but in the most basic sense, true justice is the victim being allowed to take their perpetrator TF out.
Congrats. You are the Mighty Moral Queen of us all. Hooray!
want a cookie?
I 💯 agree gunning people down in the streets horrible. I am also fine if the people who commit the equivalent of negligent homicide daily treating insureds as if their life is worthless are at least mildly uncomfortable right now. Many things in life are nuanced at a minimum
I agree with you. A man is dead. Vigilantism is nothing I can support.
Agree 100%! I worked for an insurance company and took a cut in pay to work in advertising. There are other ways to fix the problem than murdering people” lawsuits, class action, congressional reform which is a joke right now.
Murdering Thompson or anyone is not going to solve the problem. It’s like looking at democracy and democratic principles..when they are most important is when they are hard to keep in place.
It’s essentially the trolley problem, except instead of this man being a doctor or someone worthwhile, his whole career has been predicated on denying people lifesaving care.
Somehow, because he’s a “job creator” or some crap, y’all are more than willing to let the trolley murder tens of thousands of people or more, without a care. But you care about this one crappy guy.
Insurance companies denying coverage for necessary medical care resulting in people’s deaths is the death penalty. Americans are being killed, dying preventable deaths, for the non crime of getting sick.
Insurance companies issue the death penalty to multiple people a day. Each and every day. And they’ve now deployed AI to deny claims. AI! How cold & ruthless is that?
Now will the MAGA-nuts think about reasonable gun control? Now that one of their own, so to speak, got shot? I’m not seeing a great deal of discussion in the news about those kindergarteners who got shot in CA on the same day. Huh, why is that do we think
Nice of you to make assumptions about me, Colleen. I am a breast cancer survivor and my insurer is actually UHC, so thanks for playing. I do not believe in vigilante justice, but a more meaningful and effective push for change. Shooting our enemies is not the answer like they did during the dirty war in Argentina. Do I think the CEO is a nice guy? No. Do I think that all despicable people should be murdered in cold blood. No, and as a progressive, I am disgusted by them calling this guy a hero.
@Ionia, in addition to what everyone else has said, I’d like to point out:
Many people have been murdered in the US since the UHC CEO was.
But they aren’t getting nationwide coverage.
Instead, the media tasked us with feeling compassion for the UHC bro, and the police literally tasked us with helping them find him (it’s been people calling in tips, offering up footage, etc. and doing the detective work for them)…all because he’s a famous, ludicrously rich man.
And he got rich by causing actual harm to others (and via some criminal insider trading as well) – and in many cases, by being part of the reason they died.
Yet we are still told we need to care about his life more than the lives of other, less famous, less wealthy, people – who probably harmed far fewer in their lifetimes – who have been murdered this past week, and more than the lives of those whose deaths he has directly contributed to.
It’s this stunning inequality that people are reacting to.
I find the armchair – or laptop – warriors justifying this shooting pretty unpleasant. I lived in Northern Ireland for some years during The Troubles when there were many injustices done. Not once did I ever think vigilante violence was justified. The system is terrible. Change the system. Shooting CEOs isn’t acceptable. Who’s next? CEOs of fossil energy companies? Cigarette companies? Companies producing alcohol? It’s not Dodge City.
Agreed! I’m sick of hearing “well Canadians don’t like their health care”. Like, yes, we have problems with our health care, but we are unhappy with the cuts causing wait times, not hoping we have it dismantled in favour of for profit health care. I believe denying people health care and putting profits over people is violence that is being ignored. I don’t wish harm on that CEO and I also don’t wish harm on all the individuals who he likely killed in order to make money and it’s those individuals that the media is ignoring. This isn’t an attack on an innocent person, this is a war.
I think a lot of people also don’t realize that you don’t have to be rich to go to private school in Baltimore. There’s still a huge bias against the Baltimore City public school system, so a lot of middle class and upper middle class families will save to send their kids to one of the many (MANY) private schools there. When I went to University of Maryland, none of the kids from Baltimore had gone to public school, they’d all gone to private schools, and none were what could be considered wealthy. (Well, maybe one.) So saying that Luigi lived in Baltimore and went to private school doesn’t actually mean he was some kind of elite.
Fwiw, it sounds like the school he went to cost 30k per year.
In general: the CEO was a mass-murderer.
Baltimore City schools have a magnet-school pipeline (Roland Park Elem/Middle, Mt. Royal Elem/Middle, City, and Poly) that prepares many students for acceptance to the University of Maryland. I know a few.
Prep schools like Gilman and others in that zip code also have scholarship students, but let’s not act like most students who attend aren’t from elite families or, at the very least, the middle to upper class. This guy was not a scholarship student, and his family appears to be part of the elite.
except you’re wrong, lol. Gilman IS an elite school. Actually now it has a good reputation for academics but for years it and Boys Latin (its big rival) were known for being expensive pipelines to the upper crust – not necessarily academic powerhouses.
There is a HUGE difference in Baltimore (and I assume other cities with large Catholic populations) between CATHOLIC high schools and PRIVATE. My guess is that many of the people you interacted with at UMD went to Catholic schools, not private. No way could my parents have sent the four of us to Gilman or Bryn Mawr (a girls school in that same range/area), but they sent us all to Catholic school.
This guy’s family was elite and he attended an elite school.
@Becks1 – Thanks for the reply, you’re right that I was conflating Catholic with private.
I really really hope something changes… but somehow I doubt it
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THIS!
I mean, this could just be some random dude trying to eat lunch next to his backpack full of rare guns, fake IDs, and anti-health insurance manifestos, so he’s innocent until proven guilty right? Anyway, every time I see the surveillance photos or witness sketches and then see the real person I think “I never would have matched those two things together.”
How fast did he grow that unibrow?
Maybe this dude was framed. I’m not convinced he’s the murderer.
Bro culture is gonna kill us. It’s not exclusively right wing or left wing borrowing freely from both ideologies as desired. This guy is apparently a fan of Elon Musk, RFK Jr. and Ezra Klein. Horse shoe theory come to life.
Two things can be true at once. For profit health care is far from perfect and often unjust but cold blooded murder (especially shooting someone in the back) is always wrong. Let’s never again try to make a folk hero out of an assassin.
Yes, thank you.
Apparently his family has been trying to contact him for months. He appears to be intelligent and very social. All of a sudden off the grid. I’m wondering if he is suffering from schizophrenia.
Seeing the way he was acting at Holidaysburg. You may be on to something. He seemed manic and out of control. And Schizophrenia is known to manifest in mid to late 20’s. He is 26.
He has serious back problems that cause excruciating pain. He’s had them since childhood and has had back surgery(s).
I had exactly the same thought. Schizophrenia or bipolar with psychotic features.
Schizophrenia is also the first thought that entered my head.
Why does his political ideology matter? I’m genuinely asking: is human suffering a Democrat or a Republican thing? If healthcare Democrat or Republican?
Seems to me this is actually a human issue that some people on both the left and right (hey Ben Shapiro) are intent on politicizing. With Shapiro I get it: he has a vested interest in defending corporate culture. With Democrats, the purity test is simply confounding….
Bro culture? Give me a break. I’m exhausted by all these pseudo social classifications. Luigi Mangione did not act out some online gamer or antihero fantasy. As for Elon Musk, Twitter still has millions of followers. Do they all support his political affiliations?
Thank you, a response with some nuance.
I think the dude allowed himself to get caught. This was too easy. He was just sitting there in McDonald’s with ALL of the evidence on him? He’s playing a game.
If he has a manifesto that he kept with him it suggests he sees his arrest/likely incarceration as a price worth paying for people knowing what he thinks.
Agreed, Snuffles.
Also, the NYPD taking credit for solving this when someone in a state that wasn’t even on their radar called in a tip is laughable.
Maybe the boys is taking credit for whatever sleuthing they did that allowed them to figure out he had been at a Starbucks, and the hostel, and the cab which they released photos of him at those places which ultimately led tk his arrest from people recognizing him. I’m actually curious how they were able to get the hostel and ca. photos etc (like how did they figure out he was there when he paid all cash for everything and fake ids etc)
He clearly did. He didn’t even ditch that very recognizable gun.
I had a long comment typed up but then it got eaten 😭
Anyway…..as a Baltimorean, Baltimore is a small city and the private school community is even smaller. This guy is much younger than me but my social media is still blowing up with tons of “my cousin went to school with him” and similar things.
His family owns, among other things, a large resort/country club so I doubt this was about a loved one being denied care. But he obviously still targeted this CEO over others so it doesn’t seem completely random either.
From what I have seen, his family could afford all the health care they need. They are worth way more than the guy he shot.
Smalltimore. I live near Gilman. Had my phone blowing up and a tv heli circling my house yesterday afternoon getting overhead shots of the school. Crazy. My kids weren’t at Gilman but we probably saw him at Starbucks or Eddie’s during those years which is WILD to me.
The family owns senior assisted living centers too. UHC has been trying to buy up these health care centers in the state of Maryland. Once they have a monopoly on them, the quality goes down and the prices go up
From my understanding uhc has been denying more claims which then results in facilities/doctors not getting paid and then uhc comes in and buys these practices.
I think the quality at those homes is already pretty low, so its appalling if UHC would try to make them even worse to increase the profit.
His manifesto details how UHC screwed his mother over for YEARS with her healthcare. She has neuropathy and UHC kept changing the requirements to cover her medical care. He spent years watching his mother in pain and being denied healthcare by UHC. They would keep getting pre authorizations, only to have those visits/treatments denied.
I should say “alleged” manifesto
@becks1 I hate it when the commebts get wrecked! Ugh!
I’ve seen screen shots of his social media including Facebook and Goodreads where it looks like Mangione injured his back surfing in Hawaii, and surgery was not successful. The speculation is UHC denied his claims. Imagine being 26, by all accounts you’ve led a happy life with supportive family, you’re a popular soccer star who is also your HS class valedictorian. You’re set for life. You get into an Ivy League school. Then one accident and suddenly it’s all gone. The pain is so bad you have to drop out of college. You can’t get work. You can no longer stay active and fit. Etc. from what I’m reading it looks like that’s how it went for him. Ultimately no matter how rich his family is, out of pocket healthcare IS expensive and can bankrupt even families as wealthy as his. That’s why they had insurance. And it looks like UHC denied him.
Makes sense to me 🙁
@sass Sorry for the long incoming comment, lol!
I have similar back issues to what I’ve read his are and have also been recommended for fusion surgery which is what it looks like he had. I have daily pain and have had to stop a lot of activities I used to love so it’s sad to see he was/is going through the same thing at only 26 (I’m 40, and my issues started at 27). I haven’t gotten surgery yet because it’s a major invasive surgery that takes 6 months -1 year or more to recover from and there’s no guarantee it will even work. In fact, it can make nerve pain worse and often leads to more surgeries down the line.
In order to be approved for the fusion back surgery most health providers make you go through a lot of conservative treatments first. Various injections, epidurals, physical therapy, medications, MRI’s, X-Rays. It’s a lot of being poked and prodded and being used as a guinea pig, basically. It’s very tiring and demeaning at times and you always feel like you have to ‘prove’ your pain level. I have a script for a regulated medication and pay thousands of dollars per year for doctor’s appointments and urine tests just to keep my prescription, and that’s WITH health insurance. There are so many hoops to jump through when you have a chronic health condition.
There are a lot of horror stories of people being pre-approved for back surgery and then they find out their surgery is denied just days before it’s scheduled, after they’ve already been waiting in pain for months or years and going to all these appointments so they can get approval in the first place. They are basically told their daily miserable pain and physical issues aren’t ‘bad enough’ for the insurance they’ve been paying into for years to cover. Or having their daily medications revoked without notice for not meeting the myriad of qualifiers to get them. Chronic pain is no joke. I don’t know exactly what happened with his back or surgery, but if he went through the years of conservative treatments, had the surgery, and then they denied his claim right before surgery or afterwards and stuck him with the bill I could see how he would go a little crazy after all that.
My son was placed on a medication recently that did not agree with him, went back to the doctor and they placed him on medication #2. They told him the medication with the best outcome and less side effects is #5 but the insurance company will not allow them to prescribe it until they’ve gone through #1-4. More and more it feels like the doctors are no longer in charge of their patients health.
The moral of story is Healthcare is not a left/right issue and most people want the system changed.
Being screwed by a for profit healthcare system isn’t a left-right issue but the rhetoric that “socialist” healthcare would destroy America comes from one party.
Universal Healthcare is still a minority position in the Democratic party. There are many democrats hold the same view as the Republicans when it comes to Healthcare.
UHC is actually a Dem platform: https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/achieving-universal-affordable-quality-health-care/
My fave fake tweet was a burger king one saying they don’t snitch.
Anyway usually I prefer our(Netherlands) legal systen where we do not have jury’s(the judges decide) but in this case it could be interesting.
Ok, that tweet from Burger King is funny.
Yeah, this would be a good time to point out the NYPD did not do great investigating. They offered a 60k reward a waited for someone else to turn him in.
But McDonald’s was his kryptonite
HA! zing!
I don’t blame him because the hash browns are so good. I would probably go to McDonald’s for my last before jail meal as well.
@Inge, forgive me if I’m wrong, but is it the Netherlands that have a panel of judges deciding cases and 2-3 of those judges are actually people from the community, not judges who are government officials? I think that’s such an interesting system.
The plot twist I did NOT see coming is that he went to this extremely tony all boys private school in Baltimore. I went to the “sister school” and regularly had classes on their campus (but graduated almost 15 years ahead of him….). My jaw dropped when they said he graduated from Gilman. This is the land of Chad Chadersons. Something must have really impacted his beliefs and mental health.
I would also flag that a teacher and advisor at Gilman was just convicted of sexually abusing middle school students there multiple years ago… I do truly worry that we may be seeing some of the ways unresolved trauma can manifest.
Plus BK has the impossible whopper!
And the Impossible Whopper is legit! Even my omnivore husband orders it by default instead of the animal-meat burgers now!
According to the BBC article I read, he had surgery for a back injury. Former friend said he had to quit surfing because of a back injury. Used an x-ray of a (his?) spine as a background image on X. Goodreads review of a book called Crooked: Outwitting the Back Pain Industry.
So I think we know his motive?
It’s disappointing that this doesn’t seem to have been inspired by any kind of social justice. If this was just another case of an entitled bro with a gun … at least he didn’t target a mall.
He still has a manifesto. If this goes to trial we’ll be talking about him and the overall issues for a while. Hopefully he’ll be safe in prison
Will his defense be based on addiction to pain meds and/or diminished mental capacity? I think he already had a defense planned knowing he would be eventually caught.
Maybe, schizophrenia? He is intelligent and well liked. All of a sudden off the grid. His family has been looking for him for months.
I really do think there were some mental health depression issues going on here maybe stemming from his chronic back pain, possible addiction to pain killers, loss of employment or other childhood trauma. It seems like the guy just checked out and decided to go out with a bang.
Sounds like he is from a wealthy family. His folks probably already getting him lawyered up and he will have the best defense money can buy. If a New York jury is cold enough to acquit someone of his same demographic (handsome white guy) that choked a complete stranger to death on the subway merely for harassing other passengers, they will acquit this guy for executing an insurance cartel boss who has arguably caused the deaths of thousands.
Sounds fishy to me. That is probably their cover story for why a rich upstanding family like them didn’t turn him in themselves.
@Chaine: I just heard about that this morning. Appalling.
Honestly, it is such a waste of a promising young life. I hope he didn’t get sucked into some online fantasy world, then re-enact some hero fantasy in real life only to discover with shock that there are very real, life-long consequences. That would be tragic.
That said, I wouldn’t mind if more CEOs were shot.
As a black girl who is beyond over white privilege…with that being said…
…free my boy Big Lou.
LMFAOOOOOO.
A friend mentioned the public lack of outrage was concerning for person who killed someone. I had not been following, but she said he was being given a Robin Hood like folk status.
The question is how long before the movie is released about a
Privileged? (Private school)
Athletic (wrestler)
Brilliant (valedictorian bachelor and Master degree in engineering in four years)
Handsome (mugshot).
I’m curious to see how this narrative will be spun.
@ Is that so, I’ll bet someone is frantically hammering out the screenplay as we speak. He’ll be the Robin Hood for our times I do believe.
Robin Hoodie
Murder is wrong. Yet, the healthcare system, and its CEO, murdered people every day. That’s why people seem to have an affinity with the shooter. Change is long overdue in the US.
If Luigi is the shooter, he wanted to be caught. No way he was carrying all of that on his person if he didn’t have more to say.
Yes. I follow this young Lutheran pastor on Instagram. He did a video saying that murder is absolutely wrong but Brian Thompson was indirectly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths because of his greed. When a man of God is like, “ehhhh” about a CEO’s death, it’s bad.
@Sue exactly!
Even Tim Walz, when delivering a statement on the death of Brian Thompson, struggled with saying something compassionate. I’m paraphrasing but he said “Today many in the insurance and business communities are grieving this loss.” That was it. Just stating a fact. Lol
Studies show that in the US between 45K and 68K die every year linked to not having healthcare.
My sympathy is out of network.
Hahahahha!
I’m conflicted. Because everything is true.
@ Mabs
I hear ya… what he done did is empirically ‘wrong,’ (maybe not empirically..more societally) but what he seems to be railing against is so incredibly wrong. I can’t decry his actions, yet I can’t support them. (I think I recall that you are a lawyer? I am retired law enforcement – it’s a strange quandary for sure).
Same. I was actually surprised by how disappointed I was that he was caught.
Same.
Everyone read about the monopoly UHC has going on. And after hearing about the insider trading and use of AI to deny even more claims…shrugs.
Yeah, AI! AI for heaven’s sake! Can you imagine making the call to discuss it & then getting stuck with one of those automated systems, never a real person? That’s just rubbing salt in the wound!
You can go on and on about morals, vigilantiasm, right, wrong blah, blah, blah, but my inner chimp is still happy this one was pushed out of the tree.
It’s crazy how your doctor can prescribe you something, and you’re insurance company can be like, “nah not feeling it.”
No but it really is completely batshit crazy. Ro Khanna recently said that there needs to be a rule that if it’s covered by Medicare it must be covered by private insurance which…I cannot believe we even have to ask for something that should be a given. It’s unbelievable how superior in every way Medicare is to the average private healthcare policy–more expansive coverage, more affordable, faster to get treatment etc.
Yeah, my doc wanted to put a heart monitor on me but the insurance company denied the type & said this other one was the appropriate one since it’s the first time I needed one. They knew better than my cardiologist, apparently. Insurance people sitting at a desk. 🙄
The first description that the news put out was a light skinned man. Code for black or middle eastern. Typed cast right off the bat. No wonder they couldn’t , didn’t find him.
I heard that light skinned comment too. That was straight up racist!! They were trying to get Black and Brown men killed!!
He’s the Martin Shkreli that went to jail but still didnt seem punished and you just wanted to smash the nasty smirk face. He’s the Josef Mengele that did so much horror during WWII and yet got to die of a heart attack while swimming at an old age. The human nature seeks some kind of knowable balance.
Just hit up cousin who is a UPenn grad the same age.
I saw on Twitter that his family’s wealth comes from the medical field. They own nursing homes or something.
You know Ryan Murphy is already salivating over Luigi’s future limited series
Idc idc, he still fine😭😭
Lmaoooo OKAY?!
I guess there has only been one unsolved murder in NY in the last week. Seems all their resources, plus FBI, were put on this case.
Now, if I was cynical (okay, perhaps I am, I would be wondering if this ‘manifesto’ is to draw attention away from the fact that the rich have a good reason to be angry at the UHC CEO. The CEO was aware of a DOJ investigation since October 2023. You want to know what he didn’t do? He didn’t tell the stockholders about the investigation. Instead, he and other insiders sold $120 million of stock. Once the investigation was known the stock lost value to the tune of $25 BILLION in shareholder value.
The health insurance industry needs to be overhauled. People should not be dying so that someone else can make a dollar. I’ll need to know more about this entire situation before I’m comfortable thinking this isn’t about an investor(s) who lost money.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/slain-unitedhealthcare-ceo-accused-insider-164213460.html
Once I was walking into a Joann’s craft store and outside in front they had bins with various items for sale including blankets. As another customer and I approached the door a homeless person quickly grabbed a couple of blankets and ran off. I was surprised when the other customer went running in to tell the employees about the stolen blankets. I wasn’t planning on saying anything. It was winter and that person was clearly cold living on the streets. I felt just fine keeping that information to myself. I would have felt just fine if I saw the shooter and didn’t say a word either.
That’s really how I feel about it too. Like, I’M not going to go steal and I’m DEFINITELY not trying to take someone’s life in my lifetime, but I too have seen people stealing deodorant, fruits of the looms, food…and I just mind my business. Because life is hard for people and if I didn’t have a single cent and my tummy was growling I’m sure I’d be stealing Kroger deli sandwiches too, tf.
I had no concerns walking the streets with him being loose.
I also know you can’t go around killing people.
Unfortunately, nothing is ever cut and dry.
This feels like a setup.
For the shooter to have been so precise, to know when the CEO would be entering and to know so much about the inner workings of these types of events – it screams professional inside job. I do not think that this patsy and the real shooter are the same. I think he was set up to take the fall.
I said the same thing but I am starting to feel like I just don’t trust anything in government anymore and I am afraid I am becoming a conspiracy theorist and I don’t know what to do…. *cries thug tears*
No the CEO was scheduled at a conference and his agenda was public. The shooter arrived before and waited for him to arrive. He didn’t have inside knowledge.
Also LG went rouge/off grid way back this summer and was found with all the evidence on him. It’s him.
There are multiple entrances to the hotel. The question is how did he know which one the CEO was going to use.
A relativr of mine married a very rich man in our state, (not US) and he was successful in his company, he and his children were looking to invest in a private chain hospital, but my relative told them that if they wanted to become richer and wouldn’t allow letting go people in debt, that they were looking to invest in the wrong business.
Miss Scarlet, I thought the exact same thing!!! The pics of the shooter in NY look different than this guy. The photographed shooter seemed thinner and not muscular like this guy in the shirtless pic, also taller. I don’t think the noses match because the guy that was caught has a shorter, thicker nose. The smile didn’t look the same either. I don’t know if this was exactly a set-up, but maybe the guy that was caught owed a favor to some people? Maybe his family was threatened? I know this sounds like tin-foil hat stuff, but I just don’t believe the two men are the same person. And to be caught that easily with all the evidence on him? My Spidey senses are tingling.
@ JFERBER my Spidey senses are also tingling. I told my wife when they released the very first cctv still. I thought the person was a woman
I also don’t understand why (and I’m not condoning murder at all) the person wasn’t wearing a surgical mask
They let the whole lower half of their face be exposed? That seems either extremely stupid or wanted to be caught
I don’t know what to think. All of this is so sus
The eyebrows don’t lie. Should have shaved, waxed, plucked, bleached!
Some comments veering towards the argument that the far right use to urge the death penalty for Dr Anthony Fauchi and doctors who perform abortions. Is it OK to kill people when our conscience tells us they are (indirectly) murderers?
Brian Thompson was playing god and thought he was invincible. What amount of money is enough for these people that they are okay with having more at the cost of human lives. If health care reform comes out of this then Thompson death would not have been for nought.
You don’t have to feel solidarity at with a murderer to feel part of a cause. It is the zeitgeist, or the only zeitgeist I am aware of.
Maybe sometimes societies shift out of the ether: the way brexit, unified Ireland, and Northern Ireland in a way no government or scholar could’ve anticipated. It’s not earth shattering. It’s just unprecedented.
Murder is wrong. Brian Thompson should never have been shot to death. Demanding people empathize with the person murdered, if they have reasons not to is also wrong. People want to be seen, heard, and treated with dignity.
Unfortunately, there are many companies in the US that do not appreciate their customers, and Brian Thompson had a lot of power and influence in one that affected many people negatively. I’m sure that several people that knew him are mourning his death, but there is little understanding of people who feel mistreated by UHC. This is part of what’s leading people to praise his killer.
Two NYC killings made the international news together: Jordan Neely who was choked to death for 6 minutes and whose killer was found not guilty and this one. Different circumstances, but it highlights the difference in police response and who society values.
I’m glad Luigi Mangione was caught. Let’s just say there are several huge red flags here, since he was caught with thousands of dollars in cash, a ghost gun and silencer, fake IDs, and a manifesto. That totally seems like a mentally disturbed admirerer of the Unabomber who was on his way to another victim.
I have sympathy for his chronic back pain and understand how his life path took a gnarly turn. I condemn how he did it, but I appreciate the focus on US healthcare, the richest people in society and how they make money, and white collar crime. I also think he could have paint balled BT in the back, live streamed it, and gotten a similar conversation going.
Since both BT and LM are rich (family) white guys, and Luigi Mangione definitely has “handsome dude priviledge,” it will be interesting to see how this continues.
I just want to add that LM was a patron of Starbucks and McDonalds–his anti corporate stance is not universal.